Well I'm sorry but I'm going to need a source for that then because I just don't buy that Square can own anything concerning a Piranha Plant which Nintendo already owns. We're not talking about an original character like Geno, we're talking about a slightly different Piranha Plant.
I get this has been explained a couple times already, but imma try my hand at it and see if I can help at all.
It's not all that hard to understand: Nintendo owns Mario, but Square owns SMRPG. Any character that was in SMRPG that was established before SMRPG (Mario, Bowser, Toadstool, Toad, Yoshi, Luigi, etc.) is completely Nintendo, but characters that were established in SMRPG (Geno, Mallow, Frogfucius, Booster, Boshi, Jonathon Jones, Jagger and Jinx, and in this specific case Chewy and Megasmilax/Smilax) are all owned by Square because they own SMRPG despite it being a game in a Nintendo world with Nintendo characters.
Yes, Chewy and Megasmilax/Smilax are based off the Piranha Plant, but the keyword here is
based. Chewy has a green head and a purple body with no pot or pipe because it walks on it's roots like legs. Megasmilax is a multi-phase boss that is closer to the original PP design but has multiple heads with one being bigger than the others, even the Smilax portions of the boss fight show multiple heads off of one plant body. Both of these characters are variations on the PP design and are not directly PP itself, and since they fall under being characters made for SMRPG and not before or after and Square owns SMRPG, Square owns these variations of the Piranha Plant design and Nintendo has to get permission/pay for the right to even mention them in a Nintendo game.
To give more of an idea, let's play out a hypothetical scenario: let's say that Sonic 2 was made in collaboration with Sega and another company (Let's call them SamClassic. Points for those who get it), but then after that game Sega and SamClassic didn't work together for a while and that SamClassic owns Sonic 2 just like Square owns SMRPG. You know who first appeared in Sonic 2? Super Sonic! In this hypothetical scenario, it would be entirely possible and likely that SamClassic would own Super Sonic because they own Sonic 2 and not Sega, and if Sega wanted to use Super Sonic again they would need permission/pay for the rights to do so. Yeah, Sega owns the original character, but they don't own this variation of that character.
It's really just the 'Original Character, Do Not Steal' meme, but taken seriously at a corporate level.
Hopefully, that makes this easier.
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So people wanted the conversation, so here we go. I will not include the names of the others involved just for their own sake.
The original post was by another user, who said this:
'Geno and Mallow are Deconfirmed so now I want Crono / Sora / Vivi I'dont Want Erdrick'
Then I responded as such:
ForsakenMemories45
'Spirits do not deconfirm, if they want to make a character that is already a Spirit they can. All the Spirits were chosen and made by another team with Sakurai having very little input. Try again.'
Then someone responded to me with this:
'The DLC fighters will be playable in Spirit Board and Adventure, with the latter requiring certain criteria. Piranha Plant is unlocked by freeing 10 fighters from Galeem's control. With the rest of the DLC fighters set to be playable in these modes, why would any of them be characters already Spirits and be able to encounter Spirits of themselves? And I mean exactly as they are, not variations like Kaptain K. Rool, Wedding Peach, Rock Mario, Mario and Luigi from Tennis Aces, Link from the original Legend of Zelda and A Link Between Worlds, Zelda from Ocarina of Time and Breath of the Wild, and several others. I mean, EXACTLY AS THEY ARE. It makes little to no sense and it's not something even Nintendo and Sakurai would do. '
So I responded to them:
ForsakenMemories45
'Thematically, with Geno is makes sense, as the spirit itself and the doll are two different entities, but I'm not going to go too deep. You said PP gets unlock in Story Mode when you unlock a certain number of fighters...do you have to fight PP? If not, then PP was never possessed and it's really a part of the canon story...so then if DLC characters are just there to allow you to do fights with them but aren't part of the actual mode, it doesn't really matter. Now if you told me that PP has multiple Spirit battles in which Spirits possess PP and you have to free then I'd be more inclined to believe you.'
Then they responded with this beauty right here:
'Piranha Plant is ****ING DLC!! OF COURSE IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE SPIRIT BATTLES OR BE PART OF THE STORY!! It's simply unlocked in World of Light my meeting criteria, but its not part of the story. But for you to say that you wouldn't believe me simply for those reasons is real stinking thinking you got there. Can't wait for you to be disappointed in the end. '
So I sent this their way:
ForsakenMemories45
' It's sad how you are reduced to a rage and then being petty so quickly from a simple response. Also, that first part of your comment applies to Geno if he were to make it as DLC: He wouldn't be part of the main story since he would be DLC, thus it doesn't matter if his Spirit is in the game or not. Kinda defeated yourself there, bud. '
That person hasn't responded back since, but another user responded to them with this bit.
'You know, since Porky is really popular yet doesn’t have a Spirit, if Porky isn’t in the DLC this entire Spirits arguments is bull****. Because by y’all logic all the DLC characters don’t have spirits because they’re intended to be in the game as DLC. '
There ya go, enjoy!
papagenos
also mentioned that being the case and he says that he expects more Mario RPG related content in the future for Smash Ultimate.
