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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Ay, its almost sleep time for me so ill pop in for the first time today and I'll leave you all a little question I thought up of in the shower :D (Also Hi Geno family sorry for not being that active I get mini heart attacks everytime I post so_)

So we've talked about how Geno would sound like and what voice actors but..how would he SING LIKE. (idk he looks like the type of person that would be good at singing to me for some reason *shurg*)
 

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So we've talked about how Geno would sound like and what voice actors but..how would he SING LIKE. (idk he looks like the type of person that would be good at singing to me for some reason *shurg*)
How about like David Bowie, the Star Man?

Or The Weeknd, the mf Starboy?
 

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Ay, its almost sleep time for me so ill pop in for the first time today and I'll leave you all a little question I thought up of in the shower :D (Also Hi Geno family sorry for not being that active I get mini heart attacks everytime I post so_)

So we've talked about how Geno would sound like and what voice actors but..how would he SING LIKE. (idk he looks like the type of person that would be good at singing to me for some reason *shurg*)
Geno singing? Gosh, I hope he's a fan of the rock and roll genre.
 
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I thought it'd be used for getting DLC characters like Piranha Plant, but I guess not. All I know is you use and have access to it if you get the Let's Go, Pikachu & Eevee spirits. Other than that, I wonder what it'll be used for.
As long as the Fighter's Pass has at most, 3 characters I actually like, I'll buy it. If there's only one I like, I'll just buy the individual pack for said character. Also, I already have Piranha Plant so no need to pay for it.

The update for Ultimate included those Pikachu and Eevee spirits, if you didn't know.
 

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How would guys feel if we got the Geno Mii Costume again, instead of just his hat, it would be a full head piece of his whole head?
 

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How would guys feel if we got the Geno Mii Costume again, instead of just his hat, it would be a full head piece of his whole head?
Man, if we can't have playable Geno, I'd take that in a heartbeat. Not having to deal with the stupid Mii faces would be great.
 

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You know, I knew Geno was heavily requested and popular (at least within the Smash community) and I am totally okay with his inclusion as Super Mario RPG is great and I like puppets and marionettes and stuff... I just didn't realize how popular he was (again, within the community at least). Every other person I fight against online has a Geno avatar. I think it will be unfortunate if he isn't playable. Seems like it would make a lot of people happy.
 
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The fact that they've never elaborated on it is curious. It could be because it's going to be something really basic like spirits and currency, so it wasn't worth bringing up yet... or it's something big they're waiting to surprise us with when we least expect it. Then again, gift spirits are obtained upon boot of the game, and I could see currency going that way, too. We also didn't get PP through the present option in the vault. They just kinda... appeared.

I'm very curious as to what that option will be for, if it'll ever even be used. Hmm... hey... the SMRPG player's guide in Japan refers to Geno as a 'gift from the starry skies'...

He's in, y'all! :4pacman:
I think it'll be something as simple as the mystery gift feature in the 3DS Pokeymans; you access to the DLC characters this way, much like how you received Pokémon via special codes.

Unless they're all like PP and you don't get them that way, which immediately sinks my theory...
 
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I think it'll be something as simple as the mystery gift feature in the 3DS Pokeymans; you access to the DLC characters this way, much like how you received Pokémon via special codes.
Perhaps, although PP, even though they're purchasable now, isn't accessed this way. I dunno, it's so weird...? What is this foooooor?
 

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http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...timate_surpasses_five_million_sales_in_the_us



The game is definitely going to have a long shelf life globally.
Last I checked it was at 12 mil globally, which is only 1 mil away from Brawl's lifetime sales.

If Ultimate can beat out Brawl, then it will officially take Brawl's title of the best selling fighting game of all time. And at this point it may already have taken Brawl's place since it was only a million away.

This ****'s getting more DLC. Count on it.
 

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Last I checked it was at 12 mil globally, which is only 1 mil away from Brawl's lifetime sales.

If Ultimate can beat out Brawl, then it will officially take Brawl's title of the best selling fighting game of all time. And at this point it may already have taken Brawl's place since it was only a million away.

This ****'s getting more DLC. Count on it.
Completly agree on that, because I highly doubt they will only do this wave of DLC characters, specially how big Ultimate is turning out to be, both in sales and E-Sports.
 

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I still wouldn't be too hype about more DLC yet. As much as Sakurai says he wants to do a lot for Ultimate and as much as the sales are insurmountable, Nintendo can be rather daft. All signs may be pointing to more DLC, but just keep your hopes in check. I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to leave the DLC at just the Fighter's Pass, especially if Sakurai wants a break after that wave.

That being said, I don't think we'll get another Fighter's Pass, but I do personally think we'll get misc. fighter DLC. That's also, coincidentally, probably where Geno's chances would be at his best.
 
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Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sells more than Ultimate and yet they haven't done jack squat for DLC (not counting that Free BotW and Labo updates), and no i don't think "It's a port" is an excuse for it. Im leaning towards this Figher Pass plus Audrey beign the only DLC characters we get.
 
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The biggest thing against more DLC is the massive size of the roster. Don't get your hopes up.
 

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I think more DLC is likely, it would be a dumb decision to not give more DLC to this game as I doubt we'd be getting a Super Smash Ultimate 2: Electric Boogaloo addition like we probably are for Odyssey.
Anyway here's a meme I'd think you guys would enjoy.
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Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sells more than Ultimate and yet they haven't done jack squat for DLC (not counting that Free BotW and Labo updates), and no i don't think "It's a port" is an excuse for it. Im leaning towards this Figher Pass plus Audrey beign the only DLC characters we get.
MK8 had 2 DLC bundles, didn't it?
 

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I mean Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is the premium edition of MK8 with all DLC included, so I'm not really sure one can assume that would get much new beyond BOTW Link.

Which is a shame, since it means that Diddy Kong still got robbed.
 
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wouldn't be too hype about more DLC yet. As much as Sakurai says he wants to do a lot for Ultimate and as much as the sales are insurmountable, Nintendo can be rather daft.
Nintendo seems more enthusiastic on DLC these days. If anything's to worry, it's to consider the chance that Sakurai will be done with Smash after this DLC and will want to move on to something else.
 

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Nintendo seems more enthusiastic on DLC these days. If anything's to worry, it's to consider the chance that Sakurai will be done with Smash after this DLC and will want to move on to something else.
Yeah, and we still don't know what his "secret project" is that he was saving that danged gun for.

Although seeing as he does jack squat in terms of games besides Smash these days, will he take a long vacation?
 

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MK8D is kind of a weird case and not at all comparable to Smash Ultimate, so I wouldn't even place them on the same pedestal. That being said, even though the size of the roster is enormous and will be even moreso after the Fighter's Pass, the fact of the matter is that Nintendo dropped the ball on a lot of things that fans wanted. Modes are still MIA, some fan favorites were completely shot down, WoL is hit or miss for a lot of people, and from the sound of how Fighter's Pass is going to be, NoJ is going to be catering to audiences outside of the Smash norm to draw in more revenue (namely with cases like Erdrick catering to the east and shilling to the west, Steve catering to a far younger demographic, Joker being kinda the closest thing we get to something the core fanbase likes), leaving the Smash fans in the dust.

Let's be real: Smash bubble is a strong, real thing, and expecting anything that caters to our bubble is a lot. That being said, the hardcore fanbase is what made Smash the way it is today. I can only imagine the backlash if we only get the FP and it solely caters to people outside of Smash fans to draw them in. From the sound of how Reggie put it, anything the fans really wanted will not be present in the DLC, and focusing solely on that for DLC is a bad move. Capitalize on the big audiences, and then appease the core fan base with a little more DLC. It sounds like a no-brainer, but we just don't know what they want to do. Do they want to just think of the money or do they want to keep us in mind, too?

The Switch capitalized hugely on giving Nintendo fans what we've been wanting for eons. To deviate from that in one of their biggest titles to date would be a stupid move, and I don't put it past Nintendo to make stupid moves. I've been a fan of them since I was four years old. Trust me, I've seen them at their absolute dumbest.
 

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What secret project?
He mentioned a while back that he wanted the gun as a reference for his work. What "work" that is is a mystery, so people assume it's a secret project.

Probably really just kitbashing a mecha fig, at this point.

Also, for the last dang time, Eddy and Steve are only rumored until we get the info straight from the horse's mouth. No one knows the DLC, like Polar said. Every time it was assumed Steve would be revealed in some event related to Minecraft, it didn't happen. I'm beginning to think even Steve hasn't been considered at this point and this was just a boogieman born from complete misinterpretation of various sources.

So if we do get characters that not many even saw coming (even compared to those that people don't want), at least people will actually be pleasantly surprised for once in this entire speculation cycle. Plus Joker wasn't even remotely alluded to by any big leaker, insider or anyone else in the know in regards to datamining and only brought up after the fact. Yet you have people in the Chans somehow know who is coming? Something's rotten in Denmark.

TLDR; I have no actual idea who is coming next until there's news before Spring at the latest.
 
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But I feel like a lot of it is because we have gotten so sick of having to wait and still leaving empty handed while everyone else gets who they want.
:ultridley:, :ultkrool:, :ultsimon:, :ultdaisy:, :ultdarksamus:, and :ultchrom: fans got who they want. But Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Shovel Knight, Bomberman, Krystal, Skull Kid, Lyn, Rex & Pyra, and Springman fans didn't. Some people win some, some people lose some. I believe Assists and Mii costumes are complete deconfirms, but spirits? I don't know. Geno, Bandana Dee, Shantae, Dixie Kong, Rayman, Elma, and Paper Mario are all probably safe for right now until Sakurai says otherwise.

But disappointment is always to be expected no matter who you are rooting for. I know because I'm a :ultkrool: fan that saw him missed 3 games before getting in. No matter what though, continue strong for whoever you are rooting for.

Well, Rare screwed up really bad. We know Miyamoto was a huge **** to them back when the DK Country series was going on, but it's honestly Nintendo's fault for not buying Rare completely. I really felt bad for Rare because it's like Rare is a child that had to live with an abusive parent (Miyamoto), and they were constantly worked to death by him. Miyamoto even treated their employees like ****. I thought Miyamoto was cool, but he's lost my respect after all these years; with him not listening to the fans, destroying extended Mario lore, and being an ******* to his collaborative workers. If Rare held on for just for a little a bit longer, they would've met their new and best parent ever, Mr. Iwata. The Yamauchi era was a bad time to live in, especially since Yamauchi is also the one that pissed Square off and told them to never come back. Mr. Iwata would've been the solution to fixing everything, and it's true he would've done it because he really did it with Square Enix. Because of Iwata's kindness and his powers of god-tier negotiating, he was able to build a better relationship with Square after all these years, and we wouldn't have done it without him.
Miyamoto is also the reason why :ultkrool: has been MIA for so **** long. It was his idea to remove :ultkrool: from the mainline DKC games when Retro started making the DKCR games. He wanted a different antagonist instead which, is very stupid because getting rid of :ultkrool: and the Kremlings would be like getting rid of :ultbowser:and the Koopa clan. I'll never forgive him for how treated Rare and another parties as well as for the long absence of :ultkrool:. Had the Smash Ballot never been a thing, Miyamoto and Nintendo would have made sure :ultkrool: would have stayed dead forever.

Stephen Hawking said there were an unlimited amount of universes out there, and you know what? There probably is one universe out there where Banjo-Threeie exists on the GameCube and Banjo & Kazooie made it in Melee. There's also a universe out there where SquareSoft stayed with Nintendo and made more collaborations together; they probably even made Super Mario RPG 2 and 3, and Geno probably did make it in Brawl in that universe. At that point, something gets me the feeling that Nintendo would've bought out SquareSoft in that universe... if it was possible, that would've been an interesting timeline to see and be in. But it really is such a shame our universe got the short end of the stick. If Banjo got in Melee, I think he would've been the second-party representation of Nintendo.
In that universe, we would have also gotten:

1. Conker's Other Bad Fur Day.

2. A sequel to DK64 on the Gamecube as well as other DKC Rare mainline games on the Wii, Wii U and Switch.

3. Conker, Gruntilda, Mumbo, Joanna Dark, Battletoads, Dark Queen, Juno, and Vela would all be in the Smash roster at some point.

Dear God do I wish we were living in that universe.
 
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:ultridley:, :ultkrool:, :ultsimon:, :ultdaisy:, :ultdarksamus:, and :ultchrom: fans got who they want. But Isaac, Waluigi, Ashley, Shovel Knight, Bomberman, Krystal, Skull Kid, Lyn, Rex & Pyra, and Springman fans didn't. Some people win some, some people lose some. I believe Assists and Mii costumes are complete deconfirms, but spirits? I don't know. Geno, Bandana Dee, Shantae, Dixie Kong, Rayman, Elma, and Paper Mario are all probably safe for right now until Sakurai says otherwise.

But disappointment is always to be expected no matter who you are rooting for. I know because I'm a :ultkrool: fan that saw him missed 3 games before getting in. No matter what though, continue strong for whoever you are rooting for.
Being fairly modest (although that's probably partly due to my autism), I'm content with the few wants I get per generation, so I'm used to that. To you, it's been many a crushing defeat…


Patience is a virtue, and perseverance even more so.
 

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I liked your comment because of the M. Bison video. But what does being modest have to do with my autism? Anybody can be modest.
Yes I know, but I mean that I've noticed that a lot of people take their Smash character wants to great levels, and don't take it too well when they don't make it (no offense to you guys, of course). It's like, am I one of the only people who doesn't get angry when my wants don't make it? And as you can see from my sig, I'm open to just about any option.
It's not the end of the world if they aren't in, there's always a next time, so no biggie. Unless you're like, really old, or something. :drshrug:

Then again, some wants are less reasonable than others. *cough*Goku*coughcough*

That being said, by a Direct coming *soon*, how close do you think King Zell meant by that? I figure it'll be sometime this month, assuming it's coming "next week" is a tactic that's proving increasingly less effective lately.
 
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Yes I know, but I mean that I've noticed that a lot of people take their Smash character wants to great levels, and don't take it too well when they don't make it (no offense to you guys, of course). It's like, am I one of the only people who doesn't get angry when my wants don't make it? And as you can see from my sig, I'm open to just about any option.
It's not the end of the world if they aren't in, there's always a next time, so no biggie. Unless you're like, really old, or something. :drshrug:

Then again, some wants are less reasonable than others. *cough*Goku*coughcough*

That being said, by a Direct coming *soon*, how close do you think King Zell meant by that? I figure it'll be sometime this month, assuming it's coming "next week" is a tactic that's proving increasingly less effective lately.
I don't get upset about my most wanted characters not getting in, but I was kind of disappointed that :ultmetaknight:, :ultkingdedede:, :ultwolf:, and :ultbowserjr: all got into Smash before :ultkrool: who was like the most iconic Nintendo villain behind :ultbowser:, Ganon/:ultganondorf:, and :ultridley:when he was relevant. I grew to like some of the newcomers in the series that I didn't want at first like :ultdoc:, :ultpalutena:, :ultlucina:, and :ultsimon:.

About the Direct? I don't know. Who's King Zell? I have been very busy at my job and haven't had time to look up want's going on.
 
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I don't get upset about my most wanted characters not getting in, but I was kind of disappointed that :ultmetaknight:, :ultkingdedede:, :ultwolf:, and :ultbowserjr: all got into Smash before :ultkrool: who was like the most iconic Nintendo villain behind :ultbowser:, Ganon/:ultganondorf:, and :ultridley:when he was relevant. I grew to like some of the newcomers in the series that I didn't want at first like :ultdoc:, :ultpalutena:, :ultlucina:, and:ultsimon:.

About the Direct? I don't know.
That's understandable. It's just important to remember that your character can always have a chance, so long as enough people out there want them.

That aside, I found this art on DA cute:

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So I know that this is supposed to be the Geno forum, but I just beat Kingdom Hearts 3 at 3:30 this morning (Feb 1st Morning now, so a day ago roughly) and I have literally nothing else on my mind but the ending.

I will give no spoilers here, and no one better tag me with the Secret Ending Spoilers either, as I'm currently trying to find all the Lucky Emblems. Some stupid website that was supposed to give me a guide to the Lucky Emblems spoiled a bit of the Secret Ending but I'm going into it mostly blind. I will be open about the Disney Worlds though, as they were all spoiled in trailers.

Things I can say though:

1. This game was a bit of a chore up until it was big boss battle time and all the Disney Worlds were out of the way. Seriously, with only 8 worlds other than Twilight Town and the final area, they ended up padding the worlds a bit. Toy Box was the one that I first felt the padding, but nothing was as bad as The Caribbean where you had to collect 300 white crabs just to move on in the story. Jesus, it didn't take me too long, but since it was literally a break in the action it was extra obnoxious.
2. Not getting all the original voice actors for characters was really unfortunate, it all but ruined Toy Box for me and Phil being a goddamn mime is weird as ****. If you can't afford Danny Devito, don't put his character in the game goddamnit!
3. Sometimes the dialogue is JUST trash. This is coming from a Kingdom Hearts fan who knows it will be some sort of 'heart, light, darkness, no u!' sort of conversation but even then not only are some conversations stiff and not paced well but we get a lot of saying the same thing every 5-10 minutes.
4. When Nomura said that 'KH didn't need FF anymore' he meant it: so far the only FF things in the game I've seen are apparently an end game world, Moogles, and a number of references to FF games where SE strokes it's own ego more. Apparently Noctis is in this game somewhere but I have missed it so far. With the padding and the other issues this game has that kinda ruins the experience of hanging out with iconic Disney characters, having the old Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden crew would have been amazing and bumped this game up big time. Hopefully Nomura realizes that when you found a fictional franchise on certain principles, you can't just remove them.
5. Ironically, where I start to care about the game is when the only Disney characters are Donald and Goofy and we start to mingle and interact with all the unique-to-KH characters in the end game. No spoilers of course, but this is when s*** gets CRAZY and I was pretty much sucked in the entire time as I stayed up until nearly four in the morning to beat the end game.

When you factor all these things in plus the two obvious things that 1. the game looks amazing and 2. the combat is crazy and more fun than ever, I have to give a 6/10 on the Angry Joe scale: Slightly Above Average. Had this game come out in half the time, it may have gotten a better rating, but when you take this long and this is what you come out with? I know they could have done better.

If anyone here has played the game and wants to talk about the end game and the ending, PM me because god I need to theorize badly.

HAHAHAHA A DOLLAR LESS WOW

I was expecting $2.99. Five freaking dollars? I love Plant and all, but compared to a Fighter's Pass character or even a fan favorite, that is just not worthwhile. That's so silly. At least that one leak citing PP's price as far cheaper is definitely fake now, though.

It gives me a bit of hope for misc. DLC, though. If just a character alone is going to be five dollars, that's some big dollar signs for Nintendo and even for some third parties. Geno being playable for five dollars as opposed to $1.50 (or even less, as it'd be ported) for a Mii costume is quite a big difference, especially when you add it all up. I'm very sure he's not in the Fighter's Pass, so with this price point, given third party misc. DLC would likely be even more expensive ($6+ dollars a pop), I can see that being really appealing for Square. Even if Geno isn't the most well-known, he's still a fan favorite, and those six dollars+ per add up fast. It'd probably make Geno as DLC that much more enticing.
Hold up now

PP being $5 is completely fair, and we all had the chance for PP to be free, so if you missed that chance that's kinda on you and not them.

Seriously though, people take for granted the work that goes into just a single character. When you get a new character in a fighting game as DLC, that character has to go through the same process of being made as all the other characters in the game: original concepts, mechanics, gameplay decisions to settle what kind of playstyle that character will have, making the frame data, animations, sound design...etc etc etc. Here is where it gets kinda worse for the developers though: they normally have way less of a budget to work with and also less of a team to make that character, yet they are still under the eye of fan scrutiny because since fans are paying for these after already buying the game, it better be top-quality content. Now of course with most companies who just hold things back from the original release of the game this is no big deal, but for Sakurai who demands that DLC be worked on after launch/going gold it's even more work with less to work with.

Please, don't badger them too much about this. It's not like it's $10 a character when they technically could charge that amount and it would be more fair towards the work they put in, and now we will be getting characters with a stage and loads of music for the same price as PP if you grabbed the pass.
 

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Hold up now

PP being $5 is completely fair, and we all had the chance for PP to be free, so if you missed that chance that's kinda on you and not them.

Seriously though, people take for granted the work that goes into just a single character. When you get a new character in a fighting game as DLC, that character has to go through the same process of being made as all the other characters in the game: original concepts, mechanics, gameplay decisions to settle what kind of playstyle that character will have, making the frame data, animations, sound design...etc etc etc. Here is where it gets kinda worse for the developers though: they normally have way less of a budget to work with and also less of a team to make that character, yet they are still under the eye of fan scrutiny because since fans are paying for these after already buying the game, it better be top-quality content. Now of course with most companies who just hold things back from the original release of the game this is no big deal, but for Sakurai who demands that DLC be worked on after launch/going gold it's even more work with less to work with.

Please, don't badger them too much about this. It's not like it's $10 a character when they technically could charge that amount and it would be more fair towards the work they put in, and now we will be getting characters with a stage and loads of music for the same price as PP if you grabbed the pass.
Eh, yeah, you're right. I reacted really knee-jerk to that yesterday and Sakurai and company honestly deserve that money. If I could, I'd give that money solely to them and very little of it to Nintendo themselves. It's not like Nintendo had to build these characters from the ground-up, anyway. That was all Sakurai and Sora Ltd.

That said, I dunno, it still feels like a weird disparity, and I wonder if anyone will even buy PP for that price when they can get a separate character, stage and music and all, for nearly as cheap. I dunno, I think what got me is less that PP is too much money and more like each FP character is... too little? The effort to put in for the stage just doesn't seem worth a measly dollar. It's honestly worth more. To be completely honest, $10 per FP character seems more fair for what you're getting compared to PP. It's not that PP is overpriced; it's that the characters themselves are underpriced.

But yeah, they do deserve every penny they make. I apologize for getting so worked up about it. I think the whole situation with DLC in general for Ultimate still has me rather bitter for dumb and petty reasons.
 

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I just hope that with whatever characters they chose for DLC, they are ones that the majority of Smash fans care about. The huge fan-favorites we got this game were Ridley and King K. Rool, but I want to see them go down this path more and add more fan-favorites. Maybe Smash 4 messed with my head, but I can't shake the feeling that we're gonna get completely random people nobody asked for in addition to a new FE character. I don't know about you guys, but I honestly wouldn't doubt the inclusion of another FE character for DLC.
 
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