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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Sovereign Trinity

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Man, I'd spend $25 dollars for Geno alone. If Geno were in the Fighter's Pass, I'd have gotten it just for him, just to show that I financially support Nintendo for listening to the fans. I'd drop mad bank on that boy, and don't even get me started on his Amiibo if he happened. Boy howdy.
Same here, I was actually about to put $20 on my post as well. Geno is, like, that worth it. Instant pre-order if his amiibo was confirmed. We haven't had official SMRPG/Geno merchandise since 1995. And same with Banjo, I'd spend $20 for him as DLC.

The SMRPG merchandise from 1995 is almost extinct. People are still selling it today, but it's very rare and worth about $100-1000. Someone's currently selling the official Geno keychain on eBay for about $600+.
 

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Same here, I was actually about to put $20 on my post as well. Geno is, like, that worth it. Instant pre-order if his amiibo was confirmed. We haven't had official SMRPG/Geno merchandise since 1995. And same with Banjo, I'd spend $20 for him as DLC.

The SMRPG merchandise from 1995 is almost extinct. People are still selling it today, but it's very rare and worth about $100-1000. Someone's currently selling the official Geno keychain on eBay for about $600+.
To think Square is ignoring such an opportunity to make so much freaking bank on these characters, seriously. Mallow and especially Geno merch would print money for them. Even if they gauged the prices to be ridiculously high, people would still buy them in droves.

C'mon, Square. I thought y'all liked money.
 

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To think Square is ignoring such an opportunity to make so much freaking bank on these characters, seriously. Mallow and especially Geno merch would print money for them. Even if they gauged the prices to be ridiculously high, people would still buy them in droves.

C'mon, Square. I thought y'all liked money.
Well, maybe they think they'll make even more money with a different pick.....if they even have a new rep coming.
 

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Well, maybe they think they'll make even more money with a different pick.....if they even have a new rep coming.
Well, I kinda more meant in general, not just Smash. Smash is a more understandable thing, but using these characters in their home series again for DLC and Amiibo would be instantly hemorrhaging cash. New SMRPG merch and representation in general will have people opening their wallets right up.

Like... c'mon, Square. You've let these characters sit around and collect dust for over two decades. Might as well try to profit off of 'em again.
 

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Well, I kinda more meant in general, not just Smash. Smash is a more understandable thing, but using these characters in their home series again for DLC and Amiibo would be instantly hemorrhaging cash. New SMRPG merch and representation in general will have people opening their wallets right up.

Like... c'mon, Square. You've let these characters sit around and collect dust for over two decades. Might as well try to profit off of 'em again.
Oh that? Simple.

1. It's not DLC.

2. They don't get the full pie share as much as say, something like Kingdom Hearts.

3.Nintendo don't have the time and patience to deal with Square's stingyness just to get Geno and Mallow.....for now. (Hopefully that'll change in the future).

4. It's not DLC. I can't stress this enough that Square love having their stuff as DLC in collaborations like these since they get more a lionshare with DLC.

5. They're likely waiting for some sign that it's a guaranteed money maker. Trust me. I know how Square operate with their inane expectations. They'll set up whatever "test" they can when it comes down to stuff.

6. Square are awfully negligible in handling older stuff. See, Brave Fencer Musashi, FFVIII (rather, the code that they lost), the works. If it's old and hasn't been continued in some shape or form, they only keep them around on threads of life, some rare exceptions notwithstanding.

7. Square are just unpredictable as fudge with whether they'll do something smart or dumb. Us Square fans thought they finally had their heads onright with the new president after the diablocial reign of the XIII trilogy and for a while they had...until they lost it again recently.
 
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Oh that? Simple.

1. It's not DLC.

2. They don't get the full pie share as much as say, something like Kingdom Hearts.

3.Nintendo don't have the time and patience to deal with Square's stingyness just to get Geno and Mallow.....for now. (Hopefully that'll change in the future).

4. It's not DLC. I can't stress this enough that Square love having their stuff as DLC in collaborations like these since they get more a lionshare with DLC.

5. They're likely waiting for some sign that it's a guaranteed money maker. Trust me. I know how Square operate with their inane expectations. They'll set up whatever "test" they can when it comes down to stuff.

6. Square are awfully negligible in handling older stuff. See, Brave Fencer Musashi, FFVIII, the works. If it's old and hasn't been continued in some shape or form, they only keep them around on threads of life, some rare exceptions notwithstanding.

7. Square are just unpredictable as fudge with whether they'll do something smart or dumb. Us Square fans thought they finally had their heads onright with the new president after the diablocial reign of the XIII trilogy and for a while they had...until they lost it again recently.
Oh, of course, I only mean DLC and strictly DLC, maybe with a remaster for SMRPG being the most they'd do for non-DLC. Adding Geno and Mallow into anything base game would be very... not like Square. They love their money. That being said, it does make it weirder still how they were able to get those spirits into Ultimate. If Square was as stingy as they were with base game and Cloud, it's a wonder Sakurai managed the miracle of their spirits.

Everything else is a valid point, though. It makes me wonder how well Geno's Mii costume sold for being on a game on a dying system. I fear it might not have been enough for Square to be A-OK with it, which isn't very fair considering the Wii U was failing and Sm4sh didn't sell as much as it could have as a result, but eh. Square ain't known for playing fair.

As for old stuff, man, Square is just odd. The way they shafted FFVIII is definitely among the weirdest things they've done, even though they're revisiting VII, IX, XI, etc. Those getting ports with VIII being skipped is so... so weird. So weird.

That being said, if I were looking to bring Geno and Mallow back even once to kinda test the waters on their net capital, I'd say that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC would be the best way to do so. Put a nice price point for one or the other or make a combo pack, split the shares with Nintendo, and use that as a test to see just how much money they'd make off of them. MK8D is a highly-sold title, so it'd be dipping into a large pool of possible buyers, casual or not, and they could aggregate numbers accordingly. If it's successful, they can do more with them for other titles as DLC characters, or heck, maybe even see about remastering SMRPG. If not, then at least the fans get one last hurrah before they go into retirement.
 

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It does make me wonder if we'll indeed not see an SE character for this current DLC batch at all. And I doubt they'd let Enix toss in Erdrick without Square noticing, either.

That being said, if I were looking to bring Geno and Mallow back even once to kinda test the waters on their net capital, I'd say that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC would be the best way to do so. Put a nice price point for one or the other or make a combo pack, split the shares with Nintendo, and use that as a test to see just how much money they'd make off of them. MK8D is a highly-sold title, so it'd be dipping into a large pool of possible buyers, casual or not, and they could aggregate numbers accordingly. If it's successful, they can do more with them for other titles as DLC characters, or heck, maybe even see about remastering SMRPG. If not, then at least the fans get one last hurrah before they go into retirement.
Better idea: perhaps Mario Tennis Aces? They tested the waters of Pauline's induction into Mario sports spin-offs with that.
 

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Better idea: perhaps Mario Tennis Aces? They tested the waters of Pauline's induction into Mario sports spin-offs with that.
Perhaps, but Pauline is first party and doesn't require such a far reach to test with. It's not like she's a third party they're testing, whether Geno and Mallow would be. Tennis Aces hasn't sold and maintained itself nearly as much as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has, so its shallower pool of fans wouldn't be a lucrative idea, should Square buckle to allow Geno and Mallow as DLC for a spin-off. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe would be their best bet outside of Smash.
 

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Perhaps, but Pauline is first party and doesn't require such a far reach to test with. It's not like she's a third party they're testing, whether Geno and Mallow would be. Tennis Aces hasn't sold and maintained itself nearly as much as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has, so its shallower pool of fans wouldn't be a lucrative idea, should Square buckle to allow Geno and Mallow as DLC for a spin-off. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe would be their best bet outside of Smash.
Well, yeah, but MK8/Deluxe is the same game whose staff thought Pink Gold Peach was a good idea.

Odds are that instead of Geno & Mallow, we'd end up with Wedding Mario and Wedding Peach.
 
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The main talks behind the scenes right now is that there are 5 unannounced/no footage shown, Nintendo published games that are waiting in the wings for the Switch. The main ones people are going over are: 1. a Wii U port (Polar's source seems to know exactly which one it is), 2. a 2D Zelda, 3. that Star Fox racing game everyone was talking about last E3 (several reputable people are insisting that it's still real and in development), 4. the Metroid Prime Trilogy (probably the most agreed on of the five), and 5. a Platinum developed game (pretty sure it's Bayonetta 3 but some people think it's something else). Talks seem to point to at least two being shown before E3 but who honestly knows.
That would be kinda disappointing. Like c’mon Nintendo, I love me Metroid and Zelda but there’s already Metroid and Zelda on Switch, give me some new or revived franchises. Ports are great and all but they’re nothing new either. Star Fox Racing is honestly a terrible idea that shouldn’t happen. The only thing I can find to be excited is a new Platinum game and they seem to think it’s an already announced one. Real bummer.
 

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Stop getting me excited over a hypothetical Geno amiibo. My wallet would immediately become Nintendo property.

On another note, I keep finding myself looking back at the SMRPG speedrun in AGDQ. The volume goes all the way up when Geno first appears, lol.

Also, YR: Ellie from The Last of Us is the next DLC character.
 

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Some recent notable examples are knowing about the Indie Direct nearly two weeks before anyone else and being the first person to know about Pokemon Let's Go.
Yes. King Zell is really interesting. I don't exactly know how he gets all of his information. I think I said it before, but I've tried reaching out to him, but he doesn't trust anybody else enough to share any personal information. Which is understandable. He knows about things long before I do. For instance, he knew about the indie presentation more than a week before I did. He also gave the exact date and time of the Pokemon press conference that revealed LGPE and Pokemon Quest. He has alluded to the fact that he works as a journalist though, as he's mentioned having to interview Reggie before. I'd say his leaks are worth putting some stock in. He's only ever leaked one thing wrong, and that was that there would be a November direct. Otherwise, his track record is precise and smooth.

Some recent things he's said include:
Direct being "soon"TM (matching exactly what I've been hearing for weeks)
2D Zelda
and a Metroid trilogy (which almost every other leaker has also heard, ofc).

2D Zelda is really interesting to me, because it could certainly fit that "unannounced game that would please fans" that Nintendo mentioned yesterday. Hmm.
 
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Soo...a weird question, but how did y'all feel and what was it like when you first came to Smashboards?
 

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Soo...a weird question, but how did y'all feel and what was it like when you first came to Smashboards?
I was just an observer for a week or so when it came to this, but I eventually got so into the conversation that I wanted to input things as well. That was my reason for coming here.
 

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I am fine with more ports, they can focus on other stuff once the Wii-U's leftovers are given a new lease at life.

Soo...a weird question, but how did y'all feel and what was it like when you first came to Smashboards?
Couldn't tell you, it's a blur to me. I may or may not have been a member on its earliest incarnations in the 64/Melee days, but I was definitely posting around Brawl's period.

Yes. King Zell is really interesting. I don't exactly know how he gets all of his information. I think I said it before, but I've tried reaching out to him, but he doesn't trust anybody else enough to share any personal information. Which is understandable. He knows about things long before I do. For instance, he knew about the indie presentation more than a week before I did. He also gave the exact date and time of the Pokemon press conference that revealed LGPE and Pokemon Quest. He has alluded to the fact that he works as a journalist though, as he's mentioned having to interview Reggie before. I'd say his leaks are worth putting some stock in. He's only ever leaked one thing wrong, and that was that there would be a November direct. Otherwise, his track record is precise and smooth.

Some recent things he's said include:
Direct being "soon"TM (matching exactly what I've been hearing for weeks)
2D Zelda
and a Metroid trilogy (which almost every other leaker has also heard, ofc).

2D Zelda is really interesting to me, because it could certainly fit that "unannounced game that would please fans" that Nintendo mentioned yesterday. Hmm.
I appreciate someone that isn't transparent at all and is actually forthright about this stuff. Brief, concise, no tomfoolery to mess with people.

And being a guy that primarily prefers 2D Zelda, this pleases me.
 
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Question: What other Nintendo franchise, besides Smash and Mario, would you think Geno would be a good fit for? I'd say Zelda or Pikmin.
 

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Question: What other Nintendo franchise, besides Smash and Mario, would you think Geno would be a good fit for? I'd say Zelda or Pikmin.
It's not a Nintendo franchise, but I have been thinking about how Geno could be applied to the Kingdom Hearts series.
 

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I had an account here when I was 15, during the Fall-Winter of 2007, when Brawl was delayed. Man, that was a horrible time, as I was in the middle of my Freshman year of high school. Regrettably, I spent most of my time on the GameFAQs Brawl boards, where I witnessed cringy and lame attempts at making memes daily.

I didn't spend much time here, and I don't even remember my old username. I do remember going to the Wolf support thread and saying that I wanted him in, only to be met by the reply of some user that kept saying Wolf was a terrible choice to everyone that supported him.

This is also that awkward time before I ever beat Super Mario RPG and before I ever played an Ace Attorney game. Dark, dark days...


Well, I must say, going off of your avatar, I can't say you don't have keen taste.
I have no idea how or why you found this old post, but I'm glad you did. Iris is one of my favorite characters.

Edit: Geno would fit into something like Mother or Kirby, I feel.
 
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Interesting!
I can't really go into much detail of what I have been thinking. It is very much related to some spoilery stuff in KH3 or is at least inspired off of it. Curious, how many of us here have followed Kingdom Hearts?
 
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I can't really go into much detail of what I have been thinking. It is very much related to some spoilery stuff in KH3 or is at least inspired off of it. Curious, how many of us here have followed Kingdom Hearts?
I'm going to be honest, I've never played a Kingdom Hearts game in my life
 

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I'm going to be honest, I've never played a Kingdom Hearts game in my life
I grew up on the first and second games, but in order to fully enjoy the series, well...

"I hope you like long stories."
 
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The story of Kingdom Hearts is so long and convoluted that Disney could make a whole cinematic universe.
 

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The story of Kingdom Hearts is so long and convoluted that Disney could make a whole cinematic universe.
Actually, there was going to be a cartoon, but it was cut as to not risk possible contradictions with future games and out of respect for Nomura's vision. The pilot apparently had excellent testing though.
 

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Looks like I won't enjoy it
Okay then. Question, do you have a PS4? Because if you do, you can pretty much play most of the series with the exception of the mobile game(Which you will need to know the story of, because it is surprisingly important).
 

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You know I wonder what that present option in the vault is going to do. We still have no word about it. But I can't imagine what they will give through it besides spirits and currency.
 

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You know I wonder what that present option in the vault is going to do. We still have no word about it. But I can't imagine what they will give through it besides spirits and currency.
The fact that they've never elaborated on it is curious. It could be because it's going to be something really basic like spirits and currency, so it wasn't worth bringing up yet... or it's something big they're waiting to surprise us with when we least expect it. Then again, gift spirits are obtained upon boot of the game, and I could see currency going that way, too. We also didn't get PP through the present option in the vault. They just kinda... appeared.

I'm very curious as to what that option will be for, if it'll ever even be used. Hmm... hey... the SMRPG player's guide in Japan refers to Geno as a 'gift from the starry skies'...

He's in, y'all! :4pacman:
 
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Okay then. Question, do you have a PS4? Because if you do, you can pretty much play most of the series with the exception of the mobile game(Which you will need to know the story of, because it is surprisingly important).
Yeah I have a PS4 and I would get a KH game but I'm broke and I can't get a job until my mother quits hers
 

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The fact that they've never elaborated on it is curious. It could be because it's going to be something really basic like spirits and currency, so it wasn't worth bringing up yet... or it's something big they're waiting to surprise us with when we least expect it. Then again, gift spirits are obtained upon boot of the game, and I could see currency going that way, too. We also didn't get PP through the present option in the vault. They just kinda... appeared.

I'm very curious as to what that option will be for, if it'll ever even be used. Hmm... hey... the SMRPG player's guide in Japan refers to Geno as a 'gift from the starry skies'...

He's in, y'all! :4pacman:
It's like everything in Ultimate is a Super Mario RPG reference. How is Geno not in yet SMH
 

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Yeah I have a PS4 and I would get a KH game but I'm broke and I can't get a job until my mother quits hers
Well, that is quite the situation. Hope things get better. Just to let you know for possible future reference if you do pursue the series, the games you would be looking to buy are Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 + 2.5 ReMIX, KH HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue, and of course, Kingdom Hearts 3. That should be the most bang for your buck when it comes to the series on the PS4. As for the game order you should play when it comes to these collections, since some of them are not as one to one as you would think, it would go like this.
Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom Hearts: Re: Chain of Memories
Kingdom Hearts II
The Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Movie
The Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded Movie
The Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Movie
Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep
Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance
Kingdom Hearts 0.2: Birth by Sleep
Kingdom Hearts χ videos and Kingdom Hearts χ Back Cover
Kingdom Hearts III

Look at that gap between KHII and KHIII. There should not be that many games between numbered sequels, but Kingdom Hearts found a way.

Edit: Realized I messed up some order things, so I made some changes to the order.
 
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Yeah I have a PS4 and I would get a KH game but I'm broke and I can't get a job until my mother quits hers
I thought it'd be used for getting DLC characters like Piranha Plant, but I guess not. All I know is you use and have access to it if you get the Let's Go, Pikachu & Eevee spirits. Other than that, I wonder what it'll be used for.
 

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Honestly? I'd love to see Geno reappear in a Mario and Luigi game or a Paper Mario game, I'd think that would be a huge opportunity to make some big rio de janeiros.
 

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Oooooh a 2D Zelda. as long as it isn't Triforce heroes lame-tier then I'm totally down with that.

Kinda hope the Wii U port is Mario Maker. Wonderful 101 is awesome but I already played the **** out of it on the Wii U.
 
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