Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[ForsakenM]

Damn, remember when this thread used to be active and we could refute things?

I guess Erdrick really is in Smash...

 

[Lightspeed97]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet...

Fatmanonice you said something about Square never licensing out a DQ character, right? Apparently, that's going to change with Jump Force:

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/01/19/jump-force-jotaro-dai-roster-ps4-xbox-pc/

 

[Ovaltine]

Damn, remember when this thread used to be active and we could refute things?

I guess Erdrick really is in Smash...

Honestly, at this point, I think a lot of hope has been lost, at the very least for this wave of DLC — which, for all we know, might be all we're getting.

I dunno. I'm feeling pretty damn hopeless right now. I'm really happy for Erdrick's fans, but... man...

 

[Nicnac]

Honestly, at this point, I think a lot of hope has been lost, at the very least for this wave of DLC — which, for all we know, might be all we're getting.

I dunno. I'm feeling pretty damn hopeless right now. I'm really happy for Erdrick's fans, but... man...

So, out of curiosity, who do you think "Brave" is, as it doesn't really line up with Erdrick?

 

[Deleted member]

So, Eddy is looking more likely, but ya'll can't give up. All that has happened is that a point used against Eddy is no longer valid. This doesn't in any way guarantee him, and there is still the possibility of him being leakbait, and if he is in, remember that the only thing keeping Geno out of the first DLC season are fan rules

 

[Ovaltine]

So, out of curiosity, who do you think "Brave" is, as it doesn't really line up with Erdrick?

It doesn't seem like it lines up for any Erdrick besides Kid Erdrick, but honestly, it's probably just stats that need tweaking to further fit the mold. It's probably Erdrick. I wish it was Geno, I really do, especially since the stats look like they'd fit so well for him. Just a bit shorter than Mario? Floaty, small, zoner-type? The weight? It all fits so well and it hurts so much that it does.

I'm biased against Square Enix as a company when I say this, granted, but I just don't think they care about their fans, Geno's fans included. I see no reason why they should care now or why I should keep hoping when my hopes are just going to get crushed again.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Again, really? Seems like I'm the only one here who sees the bright side of a situation.

Consider the following:

One new SE character added that isn't Geno = less SE characters getting in Geno's way.
Main DQ character added = grants a chance for DQ fan favorites to be considered in the future.
Kid Erdrick added = impossibility for him to have Anlucia and Luminary alts, effectively destroying the fake roster leak that claimed said alts.
One new SE character added = showing that it's actually possible to have more characters from them and not be stuck with the bare minimum of content.
DQ character added = Japanese fanbase won't be pissed at not seeing DQ content for the second time in a row.

Besides, the point of Operation Starfall is that a fan movement must be started in case something like this happens. Don't let yourselves be deflated because of one defeat, the entire war hasn't been lost.

And I still think Brave could neither be Geno nor Eddy, I wouldn't be too shocked if that's the case.

 

[Ovaltine]

One new SE character added that isn't Geno = less SE characters getting in Geno's way.
Main DQ character added = grants a chance for DQ fan favorites to be considered in the future.

Those are kinda contradictory points, don'tcha think? More DQ fan favorites having their chance also means more competition for Geno. It knocks out Erdrick and brings in the possibility of many, many more other DQ characters.

I'm happy some of you guys didn't let this bring you down, but I guess I just feel horribly defeated, especially since I, as a long-time Banjo fan, don't think he'll ever be revived again, and now my hopes for my only other favorite are shot. At least Phoenix has a chance still, but even then, my emotional attachment to him is still not as great as the former two.

 

[fleshdude.gov]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet...

Fatmanonice you said something about Square never licensing out a DQ character, right? Apparently, that's going to change with Jump Force:

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/01/19/jump-force-jotaro-dai-roster-ps4-xbox-pc/

You know Square doesn't actually own Dai at all, right?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

You know Square doesn't actually own Dai at all, right?

So, back at Square one again then.

Why am I not surprised. This is like thinking the Freedom Fighters are viable as Sonic character inclusions. This month can't end any faster...

 

[Deleted member]

I still think Brave could neither be Geno nor Eddy,

I don’t think they would use little eddy because sakurai goes for the more recognizable designs like adult erdrick so brave couldn’t be erdrick maybe in a future date he’ll get revealed?

 

[FLGibsonIII]

So has Erdrick's possible inclusion been reduced to Kid Erdrick or do you guys still see Adult Erdrick as possible. I personally do not think adult Erdrick has a good chance.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don’t think they would use little eddy because sakurai goes for the more recognizable designs like adult erdrick so brave couldn’t be erdrick maybe in a future date he’ll get revealed?

That's possible. At this stage, it has to be someone completely different. Hell if I know who it is, because it's difficult to pin down the character in question, since they're small, but not too small, are a zoner and have sliding properties.

So has Erdrick's possible inclusion been reduced to Kid Erdrick or do you guys still see Adult Erdrick as possible. I personally do not think adult Erdrick has a good chance.

I think Verge will get screwed over by his SE character claim, because I don't even know anymore.

This entire situation is like Minecon/X018 Part 2.

 

[bomamba]

Honestly, I have a feeling that it’s the black mage or something. Statwise it lines up. Black mage would probably be a slow, floaty zoner and there have been no leaks or rumors surrounding him, which either means squeenix is being extra careful or, (the most likely) he just isn’t in. But I think he does have a small chance of being Brave.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Honestly, I have a feeling that it’s the black mage or something. Statwise it lines up. Black mage would probably be a slow, floaty zoner and there have been no leaks or rumors surrounding him, which either means squeenix is being extra careful or, (the most likely) he just isn’t in. But I think he does have a small chance of being Brave.

You know what? This feels like something Clevinger would do. Do a buildup that no one sees coming.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Do you remember where Geno landed on that list? Because most poll results I’ve seen have very different placements for specific characters compared to one another. The majority have Geno pretty high up and usually only below some popular veterans that all made it back for SSBU and like 3-4 brand new characters most of whom are now in with SSBU.

Geno had a lot of support during the Smash 4 ballot, but my guess is he was definitely in the top 10 because it was worldwide. The old Brawl poll from Japan in 2006 had Geno up in the top 5, him being at #3. Now think that this Smash 4 ballot was worldwide, how well do you think he did then? He had a lot of support from Japan and North America, plus TerminalMontage and a few others out there promoted and helped people go vote for Geno in the ballot. My assumption is Geno scored #7 in the ballot. Here's my guesses for the top 10:

1. King K. Rool
2. Snake
3. Ridley
4. Inkling
5. Bandana Dee
6. Isaac
7. Geno
8. Ice Climbers
9. Banjo & Kazooie
10. Wolf

I'm sorry, but whoever made that "poll" where it showed Shovel Knight as #1 was total bias. Compared to the top 10 I listed, he was not even highly requested as them. After doing all my research by looking on YouTube, fan art, and Twitter, the most was definitely King K. Rool, Ridley, and Snake.

It's mostly Square-Enix's fault as to why he wasn't in the base game for Ultimate or why he is or not DLC. If it were up to Sakurai, we would have gotten Geno back in Brawl.

There were a few reasons why he wasn't in Brawl:
1. Too much time passed and it was too late, plus the main focus was getting Sonic in the game.
2. Square likes having their characters as DLC and there was no DLC content back in Brawl, which means Square would've been salty with it.
3. Nintendo and Square's relationship at the time was like the Cold War. Sakurai probably had it in suggestion but didn't have the confidence to do it because of how Square would react to it; I'm guessing he was afraid of what they'd say to them, whether it was a rejection or a "maybe next time". He probably has to get the approval of Nintendo first, and maybe they said no because of their bitter relationship. Geno could've been like Snake and Wolf, debuting in Brawl and not returning in Smash 4, then returns after 10 years in Ultimate... That would've been hype.

 

[Deleted member]

You know what? This feels like something Clevinger would do. Do a buildup that no one sees coming.

JOKER WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION

 

[Deleted member]

So has Erdrick's possible inclusion been reduced to Kid Erdrick or do you guys still see Adult Erdrick as possible. I personally do not think adult Erdrick has a good chance.

If we assume Brave has to be a Square rep, then maybe, but nothing ultimately says either is more likely than the other.

 

[GoodGrief741]

So has Erdrick's possible inclusion been reduced to Kid Erdrick or do you guys still see Adult Erdrick as possible. I personally do not think adult Erdrick has a good chance.

I think it could be either/or.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Honestly, I have a feeling that it’s the black mage or something. Statwise it lines up. Black mage would probably be a slow, floaty zoner and there have been no leaks or rumors surrounding him, which either means squeenix is being extra careful or, (the most likely) he just isn’t in. But I think he does have a small chance of being Brave.

Wow, I never thought about that. You know what? I'd actually be okay with that. I know the Black Mage isn't requested, but he is one of the most known/recognizable characters in the Final Fantasy series, and he's also one of my favorite video game characters. I play as the Black Mage in Smash Flash 2 and they're such a fun character to use.

But of course, I'd still rather it be Geno; someone I've wanted since the Brawl days, the perfect character for Smash, favorite character from my favorite game and series, represents one of the best games and series of all time, and a huge fan favorite.

 

[FLGibsonIII]

So you guys don't buy into the height argument?

 

[Polan]

I'm sorry, but whoever made that "poll" where it showed Shovel Knight as #1 was total bias. Compared to the top 10 I listed, he was not even highly requested as them. After doing all my research by looking on YouTube, fan art, and Twitter, the most was definitely King K. Rool, Ridley, and Snake.

shovel knight was definitely highly requested since he has an assist trophy, which is far more substantial than anything geno got.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, at this point, I think a lot of hope has been lost, at the very least for this wave of DLC — which, for all we know, might be all we're getting.

I dunno. I'm feeling pretty damn hopeless right now. I'm really happy for Erdrick's fans, but... man...

I personally gave up hope for Geno for Ultimate in the same way I gave up hope for K. Rool in Smash 4 (who was my second most wanted character), so what that means is that I moved onto other things but kept him in the back of my mind. All I can say is don't let that make you lose what makes Smash fun in the end and see if Sakurai can surprise you.

 

[ForsakenM]

shovel knight was definitely highly requested since he has an assist trophy, which is far more substantial than anything geno got.

Geno was a costume in the last game, making him pseudo-playable.

Try again,

 

[Ovaltine]

Geno was a costume in the last game, making him pseudo-playable.

Try again,

Yeah, true.

... and then he got downgraded to a lousy PNG.

Thaaaanks, Square.

 

[Deleted member]

Geno was a costume in the last game, making him pseudo-playable.

Try again,

Not going to lie, I'd rather have an assist trophy than a mii costume. It's not even Geno. It's the hollowed remains of his body. I can at least enjoy stuff like the actual Bomberman running around stages doing actual Bomberman things.

 

[bomamba]

Yeah, true.

... and then he got downgraded to a lousy PNG.

Thaaaanks, Square.

AcTuAlLy, We MaDe It A lEgEnDaRy JpG sO yOu’Re WeLcOmE

 

[Polan]

Geno was a costume in the last game, making him pseudo-playable.

Try again,

emphasis on "was". and shovel knight is probably going to get a mii costume.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I personally gave up hope for Geno for Ultimate in the same way I gave up hope for K. Rool in Smash 4 (who was my second most wanted character), so what that means is that I moved onto other things but kept him in the back of my mind. All I can say is don't let that make you lose what makes Smash fun in the end and see if Sakurai can surprise you.

Yeah, and it's not like SE will pull a C&D on Operation Starfall.

In the end, it's unhealthy to bet all your hopes on a single character, if you have multiple favorites, you can be content with at least some getting in even if others don't for now.

AcTuAlLy, We MaDe It A lEgEnDaRy JpG sO yOu’Re WeLcOmE

And the PNG actually exists. You can't even say that for 's friends, he might as well be the Omega Man for how lonely he is.

Not going to lie, I'd rather have an assist trophy than a mii costume. It's not even Geno. It's the hollowed remains of his body. I can at least enjoy stuff like the actual Bomberman running around stages doing actual Bomberman things.

Funny you mention ol' White, since I can potentially re-enact an old rivalry.

And he still gets more bloody screentime than in Card Sagas War, really, Ahuron and Orkimides?

 

[ForsakenM]

emphasis on "was". and shovel knight is probably going to get a mii costume.

You have nothing to back that up, so your 'probably' is just a wish.

Also, 'was' still means it happened. Shovel Knight doesn't even have a 'was.'

Keep trying.

 

[Polan]

You have nothing to back that up, so your 'probably' is just a wish.

Also, 'was' still means it happened. Shovel Knight doesn't even have a 'was.'

Keep trying.

keep trying what? smash 4 had dlc mii fighter costumes of assist trophies. is there some unknown reason preventing something similar from happening in ultimate?

 

[Ovaltine]

keep trying what? smash 4 had dlc mii fighter costumes of assist trophies. is there some unknown reason preventing something similar from happening in ultimate?

No, there isn't, but after everyone and their mom thought Shadow was a lock, I wouldn't say anything without substantial evidence is a 'probably' at this point. There is no evidence for a Shovel Knight Mii costume yet. Stow your expectations and your hopes.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, and it's not like SE will pull a C&D on Operation Starfall.

In the end, it's unhealthy to bet all your hopes on a single character, if you have multiple favorites, you can be content with at least some getting in even if others don't for now.
Funny you mention ol' White, since I can potentially re-enact an old rivalry.

And he still gets more bloody screentime than in Card Sagas War, really, Ahuron and Orkimides?

Oh totally. I think Smash Bros broadening my gaming horizons has done more for speculation than less. It makes potential characters actually fun to think about now instead of competition. I still have my Big 3, but I played Smash Bros for fun before any of this speculation stuff, and I'll keep playing it still. Brawl's hype cycle was fun because I wasn't actively campaigning someone, so I rolled with what we got. And I can try new games out if I see someone I like. You can bet I would play the Hell out of a Persona 5 Switch port now. (You'd think I'd play it sooner because I played Persona 3 and 4.)

On the topic of old rivalries:

 

[Polan]

No, there isn't, but after everyone and their mom thought Shadow was a lock, I wouldn't say anything without substantial evidence is a 'probably' at this point. Stow your expectations and your hopes.

it's a bloody mii fighter costume. i don't really care if it doesn't happen, just saying that it's very likely if past trends hold.

 

[MissingGlitch]

We here on the Smash team have heard your voices. We are happy to announce that Geno is finally returning....as a Mii costume again!*

*For a separate DLC cost of $2.99

I am not considering Geno's chances over till the fat lady sings. There is no guarantee of anything yet and for all we know Dragon Quest is the leak bait.

 

[Tetrin]

it's a bloody mii fighter costume. i don't really care if it doesn't happen, just saying that it's very likely if past trends hold.

Shovel Knight being an assist trophy doesn’t mean he got in because so many people wanted him playable. We don’t know why he’s an assist trophy. If you rebut this in saying it was the most likely cause, try and gauge the actual support for Shovel Knight in Smash; you’ll find it’s not nearly as great as one might think (even i was surprised). If anything, I’d assume his inclusion as an assist was because he’s practically the face of indies.

 

[Polan]

Shovel Knight being an assist trophy doesn’t mean he got in because so many people wanted him playable. We don’t know why he’s an assist trophy. If you rebut this in saying it was the most likely cause, try and gauge the actual support for Shovel Knight in Smash; you’ll find it’s not nearly as great as one might think (even i was surprised). If anything, I’d assume his inclusion as an assist was because he’s practically the face of indies.

you know that becoming the face on a entire genre requires you to have a modicum of popularity, right? and continually trying to downplay shovel knight's popularity even though he was clearly popular enough to get more substantial representation than some of the fanbase favorites is pointless. he's clearly well liked and trying to imply otherwise isn't going to endear people to your cause.

 

[DaxMasterix]

shovel knight was definitely highly requested since he has an assist trophy, which is far more substantial than anything geno got.

????? No?
Im sorry but by your logic Corrin was more requested than K.Rool or Ridley back in Sm4sh.

 

[Tetrin]

you know that becoming the face on a entire genre requires you to have a modicum of popularity, right? and continually trying to downplay shovel knight's popularity even though he was clearly popular enough to get more substantial representation than some of the fanbase favorites is pointless. he's clearly well liked and trying to imply otherwise isn't going to endear people to your cause.

i’m sure, but do show me the amount of ballots, whether it be official or not, that he scored highly on. further, i’m not trying to imply anything, i’m genuinely letting you know that the amount of people who want Shovel Knight above everyone else is considerably smaller than you might think.

and to avoid any potential confusion, I very much acknowledge Shovel Knoght’s popularity as a franchise, but as a playable character in Smash, not so much.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I really don't wanna be that girl. But, isn't there a Shovel Knight for DLC thread this conversation would best be suited for. Lol