Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: I challenge you guys to pick more obscure picks

Gordon from Half-Life. A gaming icon that I just see will never appear in Smash, despite having actually not terrible moveset potential.

Kara from Detroit: Become Human. An android with guns that I think might not suck.

Monita from Nintendo Land. Could implement some of the minigames from Nintendo Land in her moveset, including shooting gold coins at the player or even launching gift boxes at them.

Tabuu from Brawl. Would be a lot smaller and probably have a very unique moveset, just a lot of people would be mad since Master Hand is more of a series staple. Imo, Tabuu would actually be a cooler just because Master Hand is a boss in every game, but Tabuu is never coming back.

A guardian from BotW. I get Ridley was too big, but a guardian is actually too big.

Sakurai himself. Have actually seen this one and I don't know how this would even work but I won't question it.

The Evil Piano from Mario 64. Would be a bigger "wtf" character than Wii Fit and Piranha Plant.

A dancer from Just Dance. I'm not even against that tbh, would be interesting to see.

Spongebob or The Rugrats. Actually had video games in their honor and should just be avoided at all costs.

Lebron James. Wanna Sprite Cranberry?

Superhot protagonist. Creator wants a Switch port and would be an awkward addition to the cast.

The one guy with the mustache from Carnival games. Enough said.

Viewtiful Joe. I still can never see this guy coming from a million miles away.

Yuri from DDLC. Once again, no.

AND THE MOST OBSCURE PICK EVER:
A guy just trying to get some sleep from Party Hard. The game is just about stabbing people at a party.

Big Nose the caveman

 

[DaxMasterix]

Higgins is currently dormant, alongside Bonk.

I absolutely love Super Adventure Island II, is one of my fav games on the SNES along with Earthbound and Yoshi's Island. I can see O'Higgins being a serious retro pick in the near future (More than Bonk.... EGAR!)

Spoiler: I challenge you guys to pick more obscure picks

Gordon from Half-Life. A gaming icon that I just see will never appear in Smash, despite having actually not terrible moveset potential.

Kara from Detroit: Become Human. An android with guns that I think might not suck.

Monita from Nintendo Land. Could implement some of the minigames from Nintendo Land in her moveset, including shooting gold coins at the player or even launching gift boxes at them.

Tabuu from Brawl. Would be a lot smaller and probably have a very unique moveset, just a lot of people would be mad since Master Hand is more of a series staple. Imo, Tabuu would actually be a cooler just because Master Hand is a boss in every game, but Tabuu is never coming back.

A guardian from BotW. I get Ridley was too big, but a guardian is actually too big.

Sakurai himself. Have actually seen this one and I don't know how this would even work but I won't question it.

The Evil Piano from Mario 64. Would be a bigger "wtf" character than Wii Fit and Piranha Plant.

A dancer from Just Dance. I'm not even against that tbh, would be interesting to see.

Spongebob or The Rugrats. Actually had video games in their honor and should just be avoided at all costs.

Lebron James. Wanna Sprite Cranberry?

Superhot protagonist. Creator wants a Switch port and would be an awkward addition to the cast.

The one guy with the mustache from Carnival games. Enough said.

Viewtiful Joe. I still can never see this guy coming from a million miles away.

Yuri from DDLC. Once again, no.

AND THE MOST OBSCURE PICK EVER:
A guy just trying to get some sleep from Party Hard. The game is just about stabbing people at a party.

Now, this is a post.

Gordon Freeman would be absolutely NUTS, I think everyone on the gaming community will be ok with his inclusion, like, how could you be not!?
Monita would be cool as an AT, I had to google it to remember how it looks and regreted myself by the old r34. Oh god.

And don't confuse them, meme picks like cartoon characters aren't obscure at all, I guess (?

A darker one? ... Hm, God damn Joe and Mac (? Oh no.. RUDY THE CLOWN BABY

 

[Tetrin]

Gordon Freeman would be absolutely NUTS, I think everyone on the gaming community will be ok with his inclusion, like, how could you be not!

Can you imagine Gordon Freeman and a Half-Life 3 reveal at the 2019 game awards? That would probably be the most legendary reveal of all time.

Well, behind Geno's, of course

 

[Fatmanonice]

Gordon Freeman is really iconic though. When it comes to early 90's Mario/Sonic/Megaman wannabe tryhards, it's an all you can eat buffet. Radical Rex? James Pond? Boogerman? Aero the Acrobat? Then you had the early 2000's with characters like Binx the Time Sweeper, Glover, and Ty the Tasmanian Tiger trying to ride success of Banjo Kazooie and Jak and Daxter.

 

[Xigger]

I wanted to ask you guys, tell me about your most obscure characters that you've ever considered to be in Smash. (Characters that doens't have that much appeal or aren't part of the discussion in general)

For me it would be Ardy Lightfoot from Ardy Lightfoot on the SNES, Bonkers from Bonkers (CAPCOM) and Peacock from Skull Girls.

I always wanted a summoning fighter like Kiran from Fire Emblem Heroes. Instead of fighting himself, a different hero would appear for each attack. Before Fire Emblem Heroes, I envisioned a fighter named Army or something.

I'm personally hoping that Joker ends up attacking with summoned Personas more than punches and kicks.

Spoiler: I challenge you guys to pick more obscure picks

Gordon from Half-Life. A gaming icon that I just see will never appear in Smash, despite having actually not terrible moveset potential.

Kara from Detroit: Become Human. An android with guns that I think might not suck.

Monita from Nintendo Land. Could implement some of the minigames from Nintendo Land in her moveset, including shooting gold coins at the player or even launching gift boxes at them.

Tabuu from Brawl. Would be a lot smaller and probably have a very unique moveset, just a lot of people would be mad since Master Hand is more of a series staple. Imo, Tabuu would actually be a cooler just because Master Hand is a boss in every game, but Tabuu is never coming back.

A guardian from BotW. I get Ridley was too big, but a guardian is actually too big.

Sakurai himself. Have actually seen this one and I don't know how this would even work but I won't question it.

The Evil Piano from Mario 64. Would be a bigger "wtf" character than Wii Fit and Piranha Plant.

A dancer from Just Dance. I'm not even against that tbh, would be interesting to see.

Spongebob or The Rugrats. Actually had video games in their honor and should just be avoided at all costs.

Lebron James. Wanna Sprite Cranberry?

Superhot protagonist. Creator wants a Switch port and would be an awkward addition to the cast.

The one guy with the mustache from Carnival games. Enough said.

Viewtiful Joe. I still can never see this guy coming from a million miles away.

Yuri from DDLC. Once again, no.

AND THE MOST OBSCURE PICK EVER:
A guy just trying to get some sleep from Party Hard. The game is just about stabbing people at a party.

Most obscure fighter: Terrarian from Terraria. Was very popular like Minecraft, a much more normal fighter, and doesn't come up very often.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I absolutely love Super Adventure Island II, is one of my fav games on the SNES along with Earthbound and Yoshi's Island. I can see O'Higgins being a serious retro pick in the near future (More than Bonk.... EGAR!)

Gordon Freeman would be absolutely NUTS, I think everyone on the gaming community will be ok with his inclusion, like, how could you be not!?
Monita would be cool as an AT, I had to google it to remember how it looks and regreted myself by the old r34. Oh god.

Why did you even do that? Fandango drew him a while back:

Spoiler

Also, besides liking the character, I mainly want Bonk for creative gameplay possibilities, reminding people he was the PC Engine mascot, and the console wars of the early 90s.

 

[Datboigeno]

I wanted to ask you guys, tell me about your most obscure characters that you've ever considered to be in Smash. (Characters that doens't have that much appeal or aren't part of the discussion in general)

For me it would be Ardy Lightfoot from Ardy Lightfoot on the SNES, Bonkers from Bonkers (CAPCOM) and Peacock from Skull Girls.

Between 64 and Melee I really wanted Hitmonlee in because a fighting type Pokémon made sense to have in Smash and between Melee and Brawl I wanted Deoxys in since I assumed they’d do another legendary Pokémon rep as playable. His form changes between guard, attack, and speed seemed like cool gimmicks to play with. I was envisioning a pre-smash 4 Zelda with down b being form change and one or two special attacks being different between forms.

And yeah Pokémon isn’t obscure in the slightest but within Pokémon these guys are never evers in terms of being playable.

 

[REZERO]

I wanted to ask you guys, tell me about your most obscure characters that you've ever considered to be in Smash. (Characters that doens't have that much appeal or aren't part of the discussion in general)

For me it would be Ardy Lightfoot from Ardy Lightfoot on the SNES, Bonkers from Bonkers (CAPCOM) and Peacock from Skull Girls.

Probably Raidou from Devil Summoner. Not too obscure of a game but I think its not a popular one. Also Raz from Psychonauts would be really cool.

 

[Tetrin]

Most obscure fighter: Terrarian from Terraria. Was very popular like Minecraft, a much more normal fighter, and doesn't come up very often.

Yeah, that'd actually be pretty cool ngl. But I have more oddballs:

Spoiler: My picks

Giygas from Mother. Would totally screw over Ninten, Porky, and Claus fans.

Jeff the Killer from the creepypasta of the same name. On that note, Ben from Ben Drowned, Smile Dog, the Smiling Man, the Russian Sleep Experiment victims, and the Expressionless are in the same boat.

Abraham Lincoln from that one game he's from.

Pickle Rick from Rick and Morty. Every 12 year old just creamed themselves.

Frogger is somewhat requested and is still pretty obscure. Q*bert, Millipede, and playable Pong would also be strange.

Chell from Portal. Would actually have a cool moveset.

Pauline. She's not weird, I just wanted to include her because I don't know why she's not more requested. She could utilize the minis from Mario vs DK, hit people with her purse, use her hat as a projectile, and would be a pretty cool character.

The Doorman from Tiny Tower, or better yet, that guy from Bitcoin Billionaire.

Jack Skellington for some reason, or even the Grinch. Grinch final smash could be falsely leaking characters for the next game.

Honey Queen from SMG. She was in Mario Kart 7 somehow, and was horribly received. Imagine her in Smash.

Cat from the Battle Cats. Just a random pick.

 

[Aerospherology]

Spoiler: I challenge you guys to pick more obscure picks

Gordon from Half-Life. A gaming icon that I just see will never appear in Smash, despite having actually not terrible moveset potential.

Kara from Detroit: Become Human. An android with guns that I think might not suck.

Monita from Nintendo Land. Could implement some of the minigames from Nintendo Land in her moveset, including shooting gold coins at the player or even launching gift boxes at them.

Tabuu from Brawl. Would be a lot smaller and probably have a very unique moveset, just a lot of people would be mad since Master Hand is more of a series staple. Imo, Tabuu would actually be a cooler just because Master Hand is a boss in every game, but Tabuu is never coming back.

A guardian from BotW. I get Ridley was too big, but a guardian is actually too big.

Sakurai himself. Have actually seen this one and I don't know how this would even work but I won't question it.

The Evil Piano from Mario 64. Would be a bigger "wtf" character than Wii Fit and Piranha Plant.

A dancer from Just Dance. I'm not even against that tbh, would be interesting to see.

Spongebob or The Rugrats. Actually had video games in their honor and should just be avoided at all costs.

Lebron James. Wanna Sprite Cranberry?

Superhot protagonist. Creator wants a Switch port and would be an awkward addition to the cast.

The one guy with the mustache from Carnival games. Enough said.

Viewtiful Joe. I still can never see this guy coming from a million miles away.

Yuri from DDLC. Once again, no.

AND THE MOST OBSCURE PICK EVER:
A guy just trying to get some sleep from Party Hard. The game is just about stabbing people at a party.

A Uni from Uniracers/Unirally. It's a stunt unicycle.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Pauline. She's not weird, I just wanted to include her because I don't know why she's not more requested. She could utilize the minis from Mario vs DK, hit people with her purse, use her hat as a projectile, and would be a pretty cool character.

I know, right? Granted, there's plenty of characters that aren't requested more, but at least her promotion in Odyssey and MTA will help to have her stand a chance now.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Spoiler: I challenge you guys to pick more obscure picks

Gordon from Half-Life. A gaming icon that I just see will never appear in Smash, despite having actually not terrible moveset potential.

Kara from Detroit: Become Human. An android with guns that I think might not suck.

Monita from Nintendo Land. Could implement some of the minigames from Nintendo Land in her moveset, including shooting gold coins at the player or even launching gift boxes at them.

Tabuu from Brawl. Would be a lot smaller and probably have a very unique moveset, just a lot of people would be mad since Master Hand is more of a series staple. Imo, Tabuu would actually be a cooler just because Master Hand is a boss in every game, but Tabuu is never coming back.

A guardian from BotW. I get Ridley was too big, but a guardian is actually too big.

Sakurai himself. Have actually seen this one and I don't know how this would even work but I won't question it.

The Evil Piano from Mario 64. Would be a bigger "wtf" character than Wii Fit and Piranha Plant.

A dancer from Just Dance. I'm not even against that tbh, would be interesting to see.

Spongebob or The Rugrats. Actually had video games in their honor and should just be avoided at all costs.

Lebron James. Wanna Sprite Cranberry?

Superhot protagonist. Creator wants a Switch port and would be an awkward addition to the cast.

The one guy with the mustache from Carnival games. Enough said.

Viewtiful Joe. I still can never see this guy coming from a million miles away.

Yuri from DDLC. Once again, no.

AND THE MOST OBSCURE PICK EVER:
A guy just trying to get some sleep from Party Hard. The game is just about stabbing people at a party.

76 Galeem
76ε Dharkon
77 Pepsiman
78 James Bond
79 Pandorite
80 Puppet Reggie

 

[Tetrin]

76 Galeem
76ε Dharkon
77 Pepsiman
78 James Bond
79 Pandorite
80 Puppet Reggie

James Bond was actually considered for either Melee or Brawl iirc.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

James Bond was actually considered for either Melee or Brawl iirc.

Melee, to be clear.

 

[Nicnac]

James Bond was actually considered for either Melee or Brawl iirc.

Melee, I believe. He wasn't included due to several factors, including time constraints, working with a third party at the time, and I think something about rights with the actor playing Bond at the time.

 

[Tetrin]

Thanks you two, I couldn't remember which it was, and I was too lazy to search it up myself

And can you imagine if James Bond was in the game now? He'd be the only character that didn't originate from a video game, and would probably make Goku seem a lot more likely.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Melee, I believe. He wasn't included due to several factors, including time constraints, working with a third party at the time, and I think something about rights with the actor playing Bond at the time.

As well as realistic guns and using a realistic face. He wasn't fantasy-like enough.

Basically, it wasn't just his origins, but Sakurai doesn't want characters beating up what looks like real people. Combined with tons of licensing issues and realistic guns with realistic bullets, and you have someone very unfeasible.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

As well as realistic guns and using a realistic face. He wasn't fantasy-like enough.

Basically, it wasn't just his origins, but Sakurai doesn't want characters beating up what looks like real people. Combined with tons of licensing issues and realistic guns with realistic bullets, and you have someone very unfeasible.

And you still have people somehow wonder why people like Shrek can't get in. They don't take little things like that into account.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

And you still have people somehow wonder why people like Shrek can't get in. They don't take little things like that into account.

Eh, Shrek isn't the same issue in this case. Sakurai just doesn't have an interest in the character, and in many cases, it's not a serious suggestion either. Besides that, he actually is more feasible than James Bond due to less issues, but he's still not an option of interest(Sakurai has outright implied he wants game originals, which also include that the franchise started off as game-based, as well. Cause are you going to seriously tell me Android 21 is somehow a better choice than an iconic like Goku? Hell no. You go with the icon first). He's nowhere near an actual icon in the world, which is why when you have characters like Goku, the only things stopping him from getting in is too much licensing issues and a personal opinion of whether Manga characters should get in or not. One he still seems to hold, which is understandable.

Keep in mind his narrative these days is "I want to make this the best gaming-character game in the world." He hasn't gone back on this. Smash 64 is the only game without remotely any kind of 3rd party content, and Snake and Sonic might've gotten into Melee if there was enough time(the exact reason he said no. There's no way to know if he would've said no to Sonic due to not appearing on Nintendo, but as we know from his "screw console wars" statement, I doubt it would've mattered. He wanted Sonic in Brawl because of his gaming icon status and how popular he was, not because he made an appearance on Nintendo).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Eh, Shrek isn't the same issue in this case. Sakurai just doesn't have an interest in the character, and in many cases, it's not a serious suggestion either. Besides that, he actually is more feasible than James Bond due to less issues, but he's still not an option of interest(Sakurai has outright implied he wants game originals, which also include that the franchise started off as game-based, as well. Cause are you going to seriously tell me Android 21 is somehow a better choice than an iconic like Goku? Hell no. You go with the icon first). He's nowhere near an actual icon in the world, which is why when you have characters like Goku, the only things stopping him from getting in is too much licensing issues and a personal opinion of whether Manga characters should get in or not. One he still seems to hold, which is understandable.

Keep in mind his narrative these days is "I want to make this the best gaming-character game in the world." He hasn't gone back on this. Smash 64 is the only game without remotely any kind of 3rd party content, and Snake and Sonic might've gotten into Melee if there was enough time(the exact reason he said no. There's no way to know if he would've said no to Sonic due to not appearing on Nintendo, but as we know from his "screw console wars" statement, I doubt it would've mattered. He wanted Sonic in Brawl because of his gaming icon status and how popular he was, not because he made an appearance on Nintendo).

Exactly.

Also, reminder that even as far back as Melee, people asked for manga characters (right now it's Goku, back then it was Doraemon).

Besides, allowing just about any licensed characters would just widen the abyss of character picks, so it's best to not cross this particular boundary. You could have obscure Japanese third parties, obscure dead Japanese third parties, Western third parties or even dead Western third parties that only showed up in one game, but licensed characters would be the point of no return.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Exactly.

Also, reminder that even as far back as Melee, people asked for manga characters (right now it's Goku, back then it was Doraemon).

Besides, allowing just about any licensed characters would just widen the abyss of character picks, so it's best to not cross this particular boundary. You could have obscure Japanese third parties, obscure dead Japanese third parties, Western third parties or even dead Western third parties that only showed up in one game, but licensed characters would be the point of no return.

I don't believe in this slippery slope. Unless that character is Nintendo-owned, they still need to be an icon to get in. They need to have enough fan requests to sell. If we get someone like Goku, we aren't going to get anyone obscure by any means just because. It doesn't make sense. Someone like Naruto, who isn't obscure, maybe. Mickey Mouse? E.T.? These are viable options who are actual big characters that would be worth looking into if Goku got in. So it'll only be actual notable characters. Otherwise? They pretty much don't have a chance if they aren't a huge 3rd party icon. Gaming or not, that's still highly important. The thing about ones like Bayonetta and Geno is they have a Nintendo factor going for them, which is why they're considered as is. Without that, they're more or less nothing when it comes to 3rd party icons. I don't mean that as a disrespect to Geno, of course. But there's no denying he's a very small character when it comes to iconic 3rd parties. Bayonetta was pretty small when chosen, but has gotten somewhat bigger.

That said, I'd love Geno in, but bigger characters getting in before him is understandable too, especially bigger SE characters. Not just counting Cloud, of course. He pretty much had a way better chance for DLC anyway.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don't believe in this slippery slope. Unless that character is Nintendo-owned, they still need to be an icon to get in. They need to have enough fan requests to sell. If we get someone like Goku, we aren't going to get anyone obscure by any means just because. It doesn't make sense. Someone like Naruto, who isn't obscure, maybe. Mickey Mouse? E.T.? These are viable options who are actual big characters that would be worth looking into if Goku got in. So it'll only be actual notable characters. Otherwise? They pretty much don't have a chance if they aren't a huge 3rd party icon. Gaming or not, that's still highly important. The thing about ones like Bayonetta and Geno is they have a Nintendo factor going for them, which is why they're considered as is. Without that, they're more or less nothing when it comes to 3rd party icons. I don't mean that as a disrespect to Geno, of course. But there's no denying he's a very small character when it comes to iconic 3rd parties. Bayonetta was pretty small when chosen, but has gotten somewhat bigger.

That said, I'd love Geno in, but bigger characters getting in before him is understandable too, especially bigger SE characters. Not just counting Cloud, of course. He pretty much had a way better chance for DLC anyway.

As far as I can see, the one with the most chance of being in by principle (besides the cases you cited and maybe some superheroes) is Popeye. Not just because he'll be public domain, but also served as the direct insipration for Mario, Donkey Kong and Pauline when Ninty initially couldn't get the rights for a game based on him (and said eventual game was pretty good to boot). Pretty big deal, right? They could even shell for having Tom Kenny voice him, in case that Sony movie deal falls through.

In any case, we do have the benefit of most bigger deal VG characters being in already, so B-list and C-list ones can stand more of a chance as time goes on.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

As far as I can see, the one with the most chance of being in by principle (besides the cases you cited and maybe some superheroes) is Popeye. Not just because he'll be public domain, but also served as the direct insipration for Mario, Donkey Kong and Pauline when Ninty initially couldn't get the rights for a game based on him (and said eventual game was pretty good to boot). Pretty big deal, right? They could even shell for having Tom Kenny voice him, in case that Sony movie deal falls through.

In any case, we do have the benefit of most bigger deal VG characters being in already, so B-list and C-list ones can stand more of a chance as time goes on.

I forgot to mention Spongebog as well. There's some other major Shonen Jump characters, Ichigo(though not as major as the other big 3) and Luffy who apply too, respectively.

Regardless, yeah, there's a ton of major icons outside of gaming who are fair game if he goes that way. The slippery slope is kind of silly. Popeye I don't think would get in because of that alone. He's a major character in the cartoon world. He deserves it on those merits alone. But only if non-game 3rd parties can get in. Otherwise, ones like Nester are a far more realistic choice. I'd say Captain N too, but he has no game appearances(I hope he gets a Mii Gunner costume. Very fitting and reasonable to push for their rich history. Yeah, many don't know that Nintendo 100% own the rights to Captain N and all original characters made for it. Considering the Guidances are blatantly referencing Captain N stuff too with MegaMan and Simon, it shows that Sakurai at least knows. To note, MegaMan and Pit nor Simon and Pit have never met outside of the series. It's a straight reference to the show/comics as possible without mentioning it. Being the fact it wasn't that popular, I can understand why).

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

He's basically confirmed because you made up some dialogue? That doesn't align at all with Nintendo selecting the characters, and them all supposedly being unexpected.

"Sakurai wants him in", but he still somehow isn't in some 70 characters later, and they elected a generic piranha plant over him.

There was clearly some sarcasm intended in that post I just think Geno being in makes more sense than anyone else being in. Every other square rep has a "but what about..." whereas, with Geno, there isn't. At least the way I see it.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I forgot to mention Spongebog as well. There's some other major Shonen Jump characters, Ichigo(though not as major as the other big 3) and Luffy who apply too, respectively.

Regardless, yeah, there's a ton of major icons outside of gaming who are fair game if he goes that way. The slippery slope is kind of silly. Popeye I don't think would get in because of that alone. He's a major character in the cartoon world. He deserves it on those merits alone. But only if non-game 3rd parties can get in. Otherwise, ones like Nester are a far more realistic choice. I'd say Captain N too, but he has no game appearances(I hope he gets a Mii Gunner costume. Very fitting and reasonable to push for their rich history. Yeah, many don't know that Nintendo 100% own the rights to Captain N and all original characters made for it. Considering the Guidances are blatantly referencing Captain N stuff too with MegaMan and Simon, it shows that Sakurai at least knows. To note, MegaMan and Pit nor Simon and Pit have never met outside of the series. It's a straight reference to the show/comics as possible without mentioning it. Being the fact it wasn't that popular, I can understand why).

Speaking of Nester, if he turns out to not be possible (possibly because Nintendo Power is defunct, since he was a mascot for that, although 9-Volt arguably would do just as well a job of being a playable gamer), Lark seems like a good compromise. At least we got some Pilotwings content in here, but none of the characters are spirits.

 

[Ovaltine]

Speaking of Nester, if he turns out to not be possible (possibly because Nintendo Power is defunct, since he was a mascot for that), Lark seems like a good compromise. At least we got some Pilotwings content in here, but none of the characters are spirits.

Man, Pilotwings after 64 was reduced to character-less generic stuff and as a girl who grew up with 64, I will never forgive Nintendo for what they did to it

(Okay, that's extreme, but yeah, I wish Pilotwings had some actual substance and charm like it used to. Bring that stuff back!)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Speaking of Nester, if he turns out to not be possible (possibly because Nintendo Power is defunct, since he was a mascot for that), Lark seems like a good compromise. At least we got some Pilotwings content in here, but none of the characters are spirits.

To be fair, have we seen any content outside of games besides the Pokemon anime strictly? Sure, non-game references absolutely exist, but that's it. Nester didn't originate in a game, and he isn't from a huge series like Pokemon. I can see why to a degree he wouldn't show up. Though I think he should, along with Captain N, in some way.

I'll note that the cartoon in itself can on be distributed by DiC. The designs are owned by Nintendo, though I think the 3rd party characters might be co-owned by Nintendo and their respective company where applicable. Like the adventurer Simon is co-owned by Nintendo and Konami.

 

[Xigger]

“Showing realistic guns = no good! Character uses an actor’s likeness = no good! Since the original game is based on a movie, getting those rights = no good! He’s Rare’s property = no good! Blocked on all fronts.”

https://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/04/29/duflupdate/

Edit: Obviously the last point about being Rare's property doesn't apply anymore, but the other 3 still seem applicable to Smash, especially with that E10+ rating.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

On the front of "characters with realistic guns", I don't think we had a sliding scale that goes from "not something you want a kid to use" to "full-blown fantasy gun that couldn't exist", for the sake of comparison.

I mean, you have Bayonetta keeping her own fantasy guns, even after she's returned. I guess the point is the guns have to be strongly associated enough with the character, on top of the source series being cartoony/ridiculous in mood.

 

[Deleted member]

Let's not forget Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. Their video game has a legacy thanks to AVGN

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

On the front of "characters with realistic guns", I don't think we had a sliding scale that goes from "not something you want a kid to use" to "full-blown fantasy gun that couldn't exist", for the sake of comparison.

I mean, you have Bayonetta keeping her own fantasy guns, even after she's returned. I guess the point is the guns have to be strongly associated enough with the character, on top of the source series being cartoony/ridiculous in mood.

Well, yeah, that too. The guns are part of the character. It's very important they're unrealistic enough and don't fire real bullets to keep it cartoony action enough. Which is more what Sakurai seems to be going for.

Let's not forget Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. Their video game has a legacy thanks to AVGN

Eh, I could say ProJared gave Quest 64 just as much legacy. Really, no, neither game itself has a major legacy. Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde themselves have a legacy as major characters in literature. The game, not so much. Of course, it depends if you think a non-gaming character should have notable game(s) to get in Smash.

E.T. is known very well for what it helped cause. Sure, it was still better than Atari Pac-Man(which was an unplayable mess most of the time. E.T. was just a rushed game that needed more polish, but functioned correctly). Fun fact: They had to rush E.T. out the doors with a very tiny time limit. They did a damn good job for how much they could do. If you want to be accurate, Smash Ultimate is legitimately more buggy than E.T. ever was. Albeit, even if you were to compare it content-wise and reduce the ratio, E.T. was still less buggy.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, yeah, that too. The guns are part of the character. It's very important they're unrealistic enough and don't fire real bullets to keep it cartoony action enough. Which is more what Sakurai seems to be going for.


Eh, I could say ProJared gave Quest 64 just as much legacy. Really, no, neither game itself has a major legacy. Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde themselves have a legacy as major characters in literature. The game, not so much. Of course, it depends if you think a non-gaming character should have notable game(s) to get in Smash.

E.T. is known very well for what it helped cause. Sure, it was still better than Atari Pac-Man(which was an unplayable mess most of the time. E.T. was just a rushed game that needed more polish, but functioned correctly). Fun fact: They had to rush E.T. out the doors with a very tiny time limit. They did a damn good job for how much they could do. If you want to be accurate, Smash Ultimate is legitimately more buggy than E.T. ever was. Albeit, even if you were to compare it content-wise and reduce the ratio, E.T. was still less buggy.

Ok then Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde and E.T for Smash. I am going to leak them on 4chan and LaxChris will cover it

 

[Robertroid]

I wanted to ask you guys, tell me about your most obscure characters that you've ever considered to be in Smash. (Characters that doens't have that much appeal or aren't part of the discussion in general)

For me it would be Ardy Lightfoot from Ardy Lightfoot on the SNES, Bonkers from Bonkers (CAPCOM) and Peacock from Skull Girls.

Spoiler: Ha, can you beat this?

Freudia Neuwahl from Rosenkreuz Stilette
Have you heard of her before?

 

[Xigger]

On the front of "characters with realistic guns", I don't think we had a sliding scale that goes from "not something you want a kid to use" to "full-blown fantasy gun that couldn't exist", for the sake of comparison.

I mean, you have Bayonetta keeping her own fantasy guns, even after she's returned. I guess the point is the guns have to be strongly associated enough with the character, on top of the source series being cartoony/ridiculous in mood.

Fantasy guns with glowing bullets, shooting with her feet, and most importantly her guns aren't what parents worry about...

Geno is way more family friendly with guns!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Fantasy guns with glowing bullets, shooting with her feet, and most importantly her guns aren't what parents worry about...

Geno is way more family friendly with guns!

I mean, his stuff isn't exactly what you'd find anyway. Guy's like Cyborg 004 in having his entire body be a weapon.

Marbles and cannonballs are one thing, but no average joe can shoot out stars or fists.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

I'm feeling weirdly hopeful again. Ultimate is already such a good game, and from what we know of the DLC pack so far things are looking good there as well. Plus you guy's saw how much Sakurai LOVED Persona. I think he may have more fun working on DLC than he did the main game.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm feeling weirdly hopeful again. Ultimate is already such a good game, and from what we know of the DLC pack so far things are looking good there as well. Plus you guy's saw how much Sakurai LOVED Persona. I think he may have more fun working on DLC than he did the main game.

I know. This is really good news for Geno. Hopefully our star savior is coming

 

[Xigger]

I'm feeling weirdly hopeful again. Ultimate is already such a good game, and from what we know of the DLC pack so far things are looking good there as well. Plus you guy's saw how much Sakurai LOVED Persona. I think he may have more fun working on DLC than he did the main game.

The man finally has weekends off! And working with a much smaller scope. I'd rather have him work on DLC instead of new Smash games.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'm feeling weirdly hopeful again. Ultimate is already such a good game, and from what we know of the DLC pack so far things are looking good there as well. Plus you guy's saw how much Sakurai LOVED Persona. I think he may have more fun working on DLC than he did the main game.

Geno or no Geno, I am looking forward at seeing at what he's cooking up this time.

The man finally has weekends off! And working with a much smaller scope. I'd rather have him work on DLC instead of new Smash games.

That's the spirit!

At least this way chances of seeing wants would be much easier, even if new series won't get any stages once the 108 total is filled up.

 

[ForsakenM]

Gordon Freeman is really iconic though. When it comes to early 90's Mario/Sonic/Megaman wannabe tryhards, it's an all you can eat buffet. Radical Rex? James Pond? Boogerman? Aero the Acrobat? Then you had the early 2000's with characters like Binx the Time Sweeper, Glover, and Ty the Tasmanian Tiger trying to ride success of Banjo Kazooie and Jak and Daxter.

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ZIP! ZAP! ZOW! RA-RA-RADICAL REX!

Dude, I would be so okay with that.