Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[TheCJBrine]

I'm not uninterested in FF7 or FF as a whole; I'm just uninterested in Sephiroth to be honest.

I dunno, I guess I'm more-interested in Black Mage and even Chocobo. I'm mostly interested in the older FF titles, maybe because of graphics idk. I'm also interested in World of Final Fantasy tbh.

 

[xenother]

Going to chime in on this "leak" saying that Sephiroth and Geno are the final two characters in the running. I have heard no such thing on my end. I haven't seen the exact message that they sent, but my understanding is that their claim was that they knew a Square employee and their proof was a linkedin profile. A Square employee's linkedin profile isn't something that's out of reach to the general public, so coupling that with what I've heard, I am going to say that this information is incorrect.

I'd hope that this is legitimately information that he's heard as it's a major **** move to be sending some rule abiding employee's linkedin profile to people, essentially saying "this guy is doing things that could cost him his job" when he isn't. We really don't need an Eric Briccard repeat.

 

[Fatmanonice]

My only issue with that is the fact of how it supposedly link to Hashimoto's tweet that probably made SE mad. If Sora was down directly and created protest

Dude's basically the ****ing VP senior director of SE, Business Division 3, and greenlight when FF games are made and when KH games are made.

It would make sense for him to have HEAVY weight on the choice if the like what? 2/3 people on top of him said no.

That's why I'm suspicious of this storyline somehow.
Alongside DQ not being considered.

Like I said, the narrative provides context to things we already knew: negotiations with SE have been comically awful practically from the start and that there's like 95% chance Sora's out of the running. Extended from this, if talks were this tough for Cloud and Sephiroth or/and Geno, characters owned solely by the company, Dragon Quest is a total no go. Armor Project, Bird Studio, and Sugiyama would have to be herded in along with Heart Beat for Erdrick. There's just no way. Sakurai's a miracle worker but he practically described himself for that with just Cloud and content wise it's still the most underwhelming third party addition. They'd have to have to agree on like double the content with up to 4 times as many IP holders. There's no way aside from a literal miracle.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Going to chime in on this "leak" saying that Sephiroth and Geno are the final two characters in the running. I have heard no such thing on my end. I haven't seen the exact message that they sent, but my understanding is that their claim was that they knew a Square employee and their proof was a linkedin profile. A Square employee's linkedin profile isn't something that's out of reach to the general public, so coupling that with what I've heard, I am going to say that this information is incorrect.

I'd hope that this is legitimately information that he's heard as it's a major **** move to be sending some rule abiding employee's linkedin profile to people, essentially saying "this guy is doing things that could cost him his job" when he isn't. We really don't need an Eric Briccard repeat.

Panda's been swearing up and down that this information is unverified, so we already know to temper our expectations and treat it as nothing more than a rumor. It is fun to speculate on, though.

 

[GoodGrief741]

This is a very nicely done post. You've honestly sold me on FFXII, just on the way you describe the story alone. I was already planning to give it a shot once it drops on Switch, but now I'm much more interested.

Nothing will top my want for Geno in Smash, but I appreciate your passion! Thanks for peeking out of the shadows to share this.

Never trust anyone who tries to sell you on Final Fantasy XII. That’s downright evil.

 

[Nekoo]

They'd have to have to agree on like double the content with up to 4 times as many IP holders. There's no way aside from a literal miracle

I thought y'all knew that Miracles could happens as Geno fans

I'm still going to believe what is verified so far Sadly. It's a safer and better move.
It's better to think as of now that there a SE rep and **** didn't go down too fast than thinking they went full asshole again.
Whoever the Rep is.

 

[skydogc]

Never trust anyone who tries to sell you on Final Fantasy XII. That’s downright evil.

XII wasn't.......bad in concept...but I think their fubar point was picking Vaan as the main character. Should've been Basch or Balthier honestly. Change that, and it would've been 1000x better.

 

[Luigi The President]

Can someone catch me up? Haven't been here since last night.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I thought y'all knew that Miracles could happens as Geno fans

I'm still going to believe what is verified so far Sadly. It's a safer and better move.
It's better to think as of now that there a SE rep and **** didn't go down too fast than thinking they went full ******* again.
Whoever the Rep is.

There's always the chance that there's no Square rep at all if that makes you feel better.

 

[TheSpaceKing12]

I love how this has essentially become the main thread.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I thought y'all knew that Miracles could happens as Geno fans

I'm still going to believe what is verified so far Sadly. It's a safer and better move.
It's better to think as of now that there a SE rep and **** didn't go down too fast than thinking they went full ******* again.
Whoever the Rep is.

Geno's biggest obstacle has always been his obscurity. Legally he's as "simple" as any other third party character. Square owns the rights and assets, just like Cloud and Sephiroth. Boom. Done. Meanwhile, Disney owns Sora and the rest of the original KH characters but Square owns the assets for the games and with Dragon Quest *deep breath* Square keeps hold of the assets but Armor Project owns them, Bird Studio owns the characters, and Sugiyama personally owns all the music (and deliberately gives lower quality music to baka gaijin because he's a huge nationalist prick).

 

[Nekoo]

Geno's biggest obstacle has always been his obscurity. Legally he's as "simple" as any other third party character. Square owns the rights and assets, just like Cloud and Sephiroth. Boom. Done. Meanwhile, Disney owns Sora but Square owns the assets for the games and with Dragon Quest *deep breath* Square keeps hold of the assets but Armor Project owns them, Bird Studio owns the characters, and Sugiyama personally owns all the music (and deliberately gives lower quality music to baka gaijin because he's a huge nationalist prick).

I know all of that already. What I mean is that, the possibility is still here. Even Polar seems to think he heard more people well...hear and leans for DQ than Something else for Exemple-
Or that Geno seems to be in with his NoA sources-
Here we have this weird story that seems good because it fit a narrative we want to follow (kinda) or rather makes sense.

It shouldn't work like that.

There's always the chance that there's no Square rep at all if that makes you feel better.

Pls no.

 

[Datboigeno]

Hey have you FF fans played FFXV? I've heard the DLC is going to be amazing :^)

 

[paper roxy]

You know, I would like to point out something that really speaks volumes about this community. We just found out that Geno could very well have gone into intense negotiations to become the next Square Smash character, something many have been waiting for for years, but we decide to focus more of our attention and frustrations on the idea of Nomura getting disrespected after all of his hard work and dedication to the company. I think that says a lot about the character of the Geno community, and the Smash community in general.

im probably one of the most bitter people when it comes to opinions on his character designs and even i feel bad for the guy

 

[Pristine]

Hey have you FF fans played FFXV? I've heard the DLC is going to be amazing :^)

All the more reason for a Sephiroth dlc to expand the franchise amirite

 

[Luigi The President]

Me looking at the chaos this thread is in while having literally no idea what's happening due to not being here all day

 

[Datboigeno]

All the more reason for a Sephiroth dlc to expand the franchise amirite

Imagine if the DLC is these guys in these specific costumes

 

[TheCJBrine]

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Me looking at the chaos this thread is in while having literally no idea what's happening due to not being here all day

Well, we have a rumor that Sephiroth and Geno are the last two characters in the running.

However, it may be entirely false.

Anyway, I'm just gonna expect Slime or Erdick from here on out, but I'll be very happy if it's Geno.

Nintendo Treehouse dude, you mentioned surprises and implied fan wants umg

 

[-Coco-]

and Sugiyama personally owns all the music (and deliberately gives lower quality music to baka gaijin because he's a huge nationalist prick).

This isn't confirmed. We don't know why the 3DS versions lack the orchestral OST. No one seems to recall that our version of the original DQ8 had an orchestrated soundtrack while Japan did not.

 

[Luigi The President]

Well, we have a rumor that Sephiroth and Geno are the last two characters in the running.

However, it may be entirely false.

Anyway, I'm just gonna expect Slime or Erdick from here on out, but I'll be very happy if it's Geno.

Nintendo Treehouse dude, you mentioned surprises umg

Well, what is this rumor stemming from?

 

[Loog]

Um, so what is happening with the square character just wondering? haven't checked in much today

 

[TheCJBrine]

Well, what is this rumor stemming from?

I think it was a random dude who entered their discord, gave a convenient narrative and linked them to an SE employee's LinkedIn profile, maybe saying they knew the guy idk.

Xenother says it's false based on what he's heard.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Why choose Sephiroth, over, say, Leon, Lightning, Tifa, Noctis etc

Squall from the Final Fantasy 8? Considered to be the start of the bad FF games.

Tifa's not as popular as Sephorith despite coming from the same game.

Noctis is an iffy choice with iffy backgrounds. He's also not the most iconic toy in the box if you catch my drift and given the shakiness of FFXV and its development, not likely, unless Vergeben's first leak involving Noctis, Tails and Phoenix Wright as playable somehow becomes true.

As for Lightning......

She's memetically reprehensible and is the face of a game trilogy that the gaming community agrees is trashfire.

She'd be the living embodiment of anti-hype.

Let me tell you, if Geno were pitted against her, common sense would dictate that he'd win six ways to Sunday.

 

[Luigi The President]

Grinch Leak matched up with the narrative too.

 

[MajoraMan28]

Geno's biggest obstacle has always been his obscurity. Legally he's as "simple" as any other third party character. Square owns the rights and assets, just like Cloud and Sephiroth. Boom. Done. Meanwhile, Disney owns Sora and the rest of the original KH characters but Square owns the assets for the games and with Dragon Quest *deep breath* Square keeps hold of the assets but Armor Project owns them, Bird Studio owns the characters, and Sugiyama personally owns all the music (and deliberately gives lower quality music to baka gaijin because he's a huge nationalist prick).

This baka gaijin part is misinformation.
This comes from people triggered by his remarks on national tv regarding what he claims to be "excessive attention towards a minority" who started making YT videos with this info about his music which has since become disseminated.
His political views is another subject, but music-wise he has actually been way more cool with gaijin audiences, given that the previous mainline traditional DQ game was DQVIII on the PS2 and the international version was the only one with the orchestral soundtrack. The DS ones sucked, but it had more to do with S-E's internal quarrels rather than him. DQX still hasn't launched outside of Japan and XI has the ****ty MIDI scores even in the japanese version. It has more to do with S-E facing financial troubles with Luminous Studio failing hard alongside Tomb Raider and their other properties (except their midtier endeavours like Octopath and Lost Sphear), which leads them to not be interested in paying royalties to Sugiyama's orchestral recordings. You can try to frame him whatever way you want politically, but you can't blame him for charging for royalties when he is the responsible for organizing the whole NHK orchestra to play arrangements he made specifically for live instruments.
Just clearing that up.

 

[Nekoo]

Grinch Leak matched up with the narrative too.

That's the catch here. And why I'm not really believing it

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Pls no.

Why not?

 

[Luigi The President]

That's the catch here. And why I'm not really believing it

I understand it's a very different situation, a much more isolated one but, yeah. That's why I'm not quick to believe it.

 

[Nekoo]

Why not?

Why would you not want a SE rep? Especially anyone from the list of 7?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Like I said earlier today, PolarPanda's source's sources have a spotless record. PolarPanda's source has only been wrong when he's overreached with his own speculation but never when he's reported directly what his sources have said. That's why I put stock in this narrative. If rumors of Geno have been going around NoA according to PolarPanda's source's sources, I take that as a good sign because it fits into this narrative (Geno went in for serious negotiations but no one knows how they went) along with other things I will discuss *insert future time here*. Even PolarPanda's source's sources not knowing says a lot given they haven't been wrong yet and goes into this narrative that it's being kept incredibly tight under wraps.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

So I opened a fourtune cookie that said "Good news of a long-awaited event will arrive soon." For once I hope it's right and we get our Star Boy this week.

jesus, i didnt know they even made any fortune cookies that were actual fortunes anymore

Oh, that reminds me! I have a few fortunes to share that I got from some Chinese restaurant I went to about a month ago! I literally took 16 fortune cookies from there to see if they would hint Geno in Smash, and out of those sixteen, only three were reasonable. And those cookies were delicious, just saying.

1. There will be many surprises: unexpected gains are likely. (This one got me most)
Will Geno be our surprise DLC character? Oh my, unexpected gains? That better be for Lloyd or my boy Banjo.

2. Originality overcomes everything.
-Okay, so old comes first. Geno is an old, original character that's from the SNES era.
-Sakurai loves original characters, including ones from the NES and Super Nintendo.
-Original characters always come first when it's Sakurai and Nintendo.

3. A goal is a dream with a deadline.
Oh my, is our 14-year-long goal and dream coming to an end, everybody? Is this really the good ending for our beloved doll? Is this Geno's final stop for making it into Smash? He took the wrong train station for Smash 4, let's hope he got on the right train station and cruise ship this time.

What do you think, guys? What do these mean?

 

[Luigi The President]

Like I said earlier today, PolarPanda's source's sources have a spotless record. PolarPanda's source has only been wrong when he's overreached with his own speculation but never when he's reported directly what his sources have said. That's why I put stock in this narrative. If rumors of Geno have been going around NoA according to PolarPanda's source's sources, I take that as a good sign because it fits into this narrative (Geno went in for serious negotiations but no one knows how they went) along with other things I discuss *insert future time here*. Even PolarPanda's source's sources not knowing says a lot given they haven't been wrong yet and goes into this narrative that it's being kept incredibly tight under wraps.

If it were so tight, how would we have even found out who the 2 were?

Mean no disrespect-just confused

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Oh, that reminds me! I have a few fortunes to share that I got from some Chinese restaurant I went to about a month ago! I literally took 16 fortune cookies from there to see if they would hint Geno in Smash, and out of those sixteen, only three were reasonable. And those cookies were delicious, just saying.

1. There will be many surprises: unexpected gains are likely. (This one got me most)
Will Geno be our surprise DLC character? Oh my, unexpected gains? That better be for Lloyd or my boy Banjo.

2. Originality overcomes everything.
-Okay, so old comes first. Geno is an old, original character that's from the SNES era.
-Sakurai loves original characters, including ones from the NES and Super Nintendo.
-Original characters always come first when it's Sakurai and Nintendo.

3. A goal is a dream with a deadline.
Oh my, is our 14-year-long goal and dream coming to an end, everybody? Is this really the good ending for our beloved doll? Is this Geno's final stop for making it into Smash? He took the wrong train station for Smash 4, let's hope he got on the right train station and cruise ship this time.

What do you think, guys? What do these mean?

I think we can pack up the sephiroth vs geno debate. The fortune cookies say all, folks

 

[-Coco-]

This baka gaijin part is misinformation.
This comes from people triggered by his remarks on national tv regarding what he claims to be "excessive attention towards a minority" who started making YT videos with this info about his music which has since become disseminated.
His political views is another subject, but music-wise he has actually been way more cool with gaijin audiences, given that the previous mainline traditional DQ game was DQVIII on the PS2 and the international version was the only one with the orchestral soundtrack. The DS ones sucked, but it had more to do with S-E's internal quarrels rather than him. DQX still hasn't launched outside of Japan and XI has the ****ty MIDI scores even in the japanese version. It has more to do with S-E facing financial troubles with Luminous Studio failing hard alongside Tomb Raider and their other properties (except their midtier endeavours like Octopath and Lost Sphear), which leads them to not be interested in paying royalties to Sugiyama's orchestral recordings. You can try to frame him whatever way you want politically, but you can't blame him for charging for royalties when he is the responsible for organizing the whole NHK orchestra to play arrangements he made specifically for live instruments.
Just clearing that up.

Do you have a source on the NHK thing? That's very interesting.

 

[Nekoo]

Like I said earlier today, PolarPanda's source's sources have a spotless record. PolarPanda's source has only been wrong when he's overreached with his own speculation but never when he's reported directly what his sources have said. That's why I put stock in this narrative. If rumors of Geno have been going around NoA according to PolarPanda's source's sources, I take that as a good sign because it fits into this narrative (Geno went in for serious negotiations but no one knows how they went) along with other things I discuss *insert future time here*. Even PolarPanda's source's sources not knowing says a lot given they haven't been wrong yet and goes into this narrative that it's being kept incredibly tight under wraps.

To be fair that narrative that the SE rep is keep under tight wrap is something we know since like August/September by Vergeben and Hitagi themselves.
You're linking the Rumor of Polarpanda's NoA sources With this story.

You maybe know things we don't that seems to make you believe it more. But as far as things go right now, both Xenother and Polar told us they themselves doesn't back up this Narrative at all

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Why would you not want a SE rep? Especially anyone from the list of 7?

I never said I didn't want Sephiroth or anyone (except for DQ to avoid paying Sugiyama a cent) else.

Granted, I have no huge emotional stakes in the race involving a Square rep. Not to the lengths of the Capcom horse races anyway.

Am I rooting for Sephorith, Sora, Neku and/or Geno? Absolutely.

My point is that the insiders may be wrong. Verge may be wrong, etc. Be prepared for anything.

 

[Luigi The President]

To be fair that narrative that the SE rep is keep under tight wrap is something we know since like August/September by Vergeben and Hitagi themselves.
You're linking the Rumor of Polarpanda's NoA sources With this story.

You maybe know things we don't that seems to make you believe it more. But as far as things go right now, both Xenother and Polar told us they themselves doesn't back up this Narrative at all

If Polar said he doesn't back it up, then I'm willing to completely dismiss it.

 

[Fatmanonice]

If it were so tight, how would we have even found out who the 2 were?

Mean no disrespect-just confused

Process of elimination, even without the narrative. Sora is out per a decent number of sources and everyone else is a legal nightmare except Sephiroth and Geno. Like I said, this narrative just gives context to what we already know.

 

[MajoraMan28]

Do you have a source on the NHK thing? That's very interesting.

I don't have it with me right now, but I did read numerous stuff about the history of the franchise's music and the orchestral recordings. Every Symphonic Suite recorded is done by the NHK orchestra which Sugiyama is a big player in terms of organization and etc. Before going to DQ he was already a renowned composer for TV and movies, some of them being partly broadcasted by NHK. Hence why I'm confident with the NHK orchestra tidbit. He gets everyone together to record, but S-E wants to get the whole money bc they're in a tight spot now.
This hate thing around him is, imo, blown a bit out of proportion due to some misinformation around the man. He is controversial, no doubt, but I'm saying that stuff like him being an asshole with S-E by not letting them use his music is crap, given how his melodies are still used in-game. It's his instrumental compostions that he puts the most of his work, hence why he demands royalties.

 

[Luigi The President]

I do personally think we are neglecting the legal hell in favor of the "well they'd be REALLY popular"

With how uncooperative Squenix is leaked as being with this character we cannot say "oh it's obviously DQ" now because of the legal hell that already entailed turned up to 11.

Geno and Sephiroth being these two, even without this potential leak, makes sense to me.