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It's "oh, this character has a png? They will never be playable, but Chrom can be a Mii costume, while he can also be beating the **** out of himself!"
We should be happy Piranha Plant isn't part of the 5 DLC characters, because if this was the case, that would be a little bit of a waste and definitely deconfirms Geno. But I love Piranha Plant, we needed a "WTF" character for the game! Piranha Plant has moves derived from other characters in the game, but I like it! It's so funny! xD
Thank you. I love it when people that haven't even played SMRPG call Geno a ******* side-character. The story was based off of him, it's literally his goal to collect the seven star pieces and bring them up to restore Star Road. Even the ending cutscene shows that Geno is truly the main protagonist. Just because Mario was in the title and the character you play, doesn't mean they're the main protagonist. If anything, Geno and Mario are the main protagonists; Peach, Bowser, and Mallow are just protagonists.
You're absolutely right. Imagine Nintendo trying to build a list of potential characters, and Sakurai saying "yeah, pick anyone but these ~1300 characters." That's WAY too big of a list to preclude from ever being DLC. Especially if a wave 2 is potentially still on the table.
But there's a falacy to that logic. You assume he is considering DLCs after the Spirits were defined. But again, DLCs are planned way before the launch, given that the legal measures for it take time to be signed and put into action. The fact that Sakurai stated everything was set a few weeks ago means every single company involved has agreed and is midway the legal procedures for that. The characters will take some time to be designed, alongside a stage and defining specific musics and such. But the characters themselves are defined earlier, and it's quite feasible to assume that the definition of who becomes a spirit was done alongside the DLC planning. So yes, 1297 options are off the table, bc to Sakurai they weren't as likely to become characters as the DLC candidates. That's the logical reasoning for it, at least.
Mewtwo was planned before Smash 4 launched and had a trophy already made in the game.
Then explain why Mewtwo and Lucas were trophies before they were DLC in Smash 4. You should look at this a different way: Think of it as Sakurai wanting to represent every character who is important to Nintendo that couldn't be made as fighters in the base roster, then they can see after that to make a character who is a spirit DLC. Spirits don't deconfirm, Sylux didn't have a trophy in Smash 4, Porky is represented by absolutely safe capsule as a spirit, a character being a spirit doesn't mean they can't be DLC. And Nintendo isn't going to care if a character is a png in the game, if they suggest a character, they suggest a character, they aren't going to look through 1,297 pngs to see if they can't use a character
Simple. DLC was being made as they went along. They didn't finish planning beforehand like in Ultimate. Mewtwo was a different case because it was decided last minute. This was their first time dealing with DLC ever. You're ignoring the fact that trophies aren't interactable like spirits. You're also ignoring the fact that DLC and spirits were being done in parallel, so it's not like they were looking through more than a thousand spirits to see if they could choose a particular character. The spirits were launched the way they did bc they were decided with the candidates in mind.
It's also possible Geno could be shown off at the VGAs rather than Sephiroth or DQ as a complete surprise, isn't it?
id be pretty upset and i probably wouldnt buy the dlc at all. geno is the only character i want and nothing else can really live up to geno for me anymore
You are also ingnoring that spirits are a replacement of trophies, which, again, Mewtwo and Lucas were trophies in Smash 4 before they were DLC. Spirits take less development time than trophies. And, Pit and Pikachu have spirits, and they are the exact same character that is playable in the game. DLC characters can have fighter spirits that are named, for example, Geno (fighter). So, if we are going by your logic, then Pit and Pikachu are deconfirmed. Yep. Spirits don't deconfirm, playable characters have spirits, a previous example is that trophies didn't deconfirm, and it doesn't matter if they have different properties, they are replacements. And, you are also ignoring that not having a spirit doesn't increase a character's chances. Sylux didn't have a trophy in Smash 4, but didn't become playable. Same thing will go with spirits, and Sakurai confirmed that spirits are EQUIVALENT to trophies, and characters who were trophies became DLC, and a character who didn't have a trophy didn't become DLC. You are just grasping for straws if you think spirits deconfirm
Your post is absolutely correct in general, but actually, there both FF and DQ characters linked directly to Mario with Fortune Streets for DQ. And Mario Sport's Games guest appearance like Black Mage/White mage etc...
But they aren't tied directly to Mario. They may have appeared with Mario, but you wouldn't say that they are directly linked to Mario. Geno is
I was in there for the K Rool confirmation. IDK where I was when Ridley was confirmed
If he's talking about what I think he's talking, Smash fans are going to be pretty happy. There's one bit of news that's been sat on hard for months and nobody's even publically hinted at it because it's pointless; any actual hints would give it away instantly. It's one of those things that a vast majority of people gave up on a long time ago and would probably bring people back to Smashboards who left years ago just to talk about it. I might even characterize it as a tear jerker but that's probably hyperbole. It's one of those things that's off the radar but once and if it's shown a lot of people will probably be like "wow, I forgot I wanted that."
if you're the minority over plant, im right there with you. i absolutely feel like kencineroar + plant was a horrible way to end the hype cycle and was honestly the most underwhelming smash reveal in the history of the series. though, i can imagine erdrick being somehow even more underwhelming. like, not even in just a "he got in over geno???" way but in like, a "he got in in general" way.I agree with your post; here's my schtick: a game should be able to carry itself regardless of leaks. Even if Ridley and Rool were leaked, there still would've been skeptics since it always seemed undoable, but people still would've been happy.
My case in point is if Grinch was real, people still would've been flying high, regardless of it being leaked. Leaks don't ruin games; poor design choices, decision-making, etc. does. I'm sick of the "hype" YouTube reaction culture. Remember when games were able to sell before Nintendo Directs and YouTube reactions? Remember finding out about Melee's roster via the guidebook at Walmart, or the Brawl newcomers via the Dojo, with zero fanfare? That was my era.
Anyway, I understand I'm in the minority over Piranha Plant, and that most consider it their savior or something; whatever. I get people like it, but I feel like some are feigning over-enthusiasm to rub it in.
I thought Fortune Street is Japan only?
Intriguing.... i hope we hear more.
FINALLY ! GOKU FOR SMASH?!!!
ohhhh geez. this could be good for geno if its mentioned in the geno thread but.. i still dont want to get my hopes up anymore. i genuinely cant handle getting stressed over geno whenever we get anywhere close to a potential character reveal. doing that for almost 3 years is getting tiring
Oh boy Peach upskirt is back!
No, Mickey mouseFINALLY ! GOKU FOR SMASH?!!!
Okay so we're getting Home-Run Contest back except choosing Random gives you a high chance to play as Sandbag.
Welp.
Why do I suddenly want this?
And I look forward to it. I may be new(Comparatively), but I love this sort of thing. Must be something from back in the Melee-Brawl days if its very old.
I was there for Rool too. I can remember something being said there that was to the effect of "finally, we can rest now".
If it's something that I didn't put much stock into...I'd be so happy, you wouldn't believe.
For you, it's the most important time in your life.
Tiny off-topic just to say
What did he mean by this
You can't do this to us! If I had to venture a guess as to what this is...it must be a character. We technically have a story mode so that goes away. Something that people gave up on long ago...It must be.
While true, it should also be noted that Square developed both games so, in a weird, legal sense, the FF and DQ characters were actually "the home team" while the Mario characters were guests. Meanwhile, Square also developed SMRPG but Daddy Miyamoto himself was the producer of the game. The point is that, when it comes to crossovers, Mario has crossovered with DQ, not the other way around. Aside from SMRPG, Square had creative control in these games. In other words, Mario was being liscensed to Square, DQ characters weren't being liscensed to Nintendo.
Don't do that, you'll just get dizzy.I'll just be here....waiting....
