Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[EarlTamm]

Well yeah, I have a feeling it's him. I wouldn't mind it since I'd be able to do team battles of Link and Cloud vs. Ganondorf and Sephiroth.

I don't know, let's not forget that each character comes with a stage, and I don't know if he would warrant any stage in particular.

 

[ProudNintendofan]

I don't know, let's not forget that each character comes with a stage, and I don't know if he would warrant any stage in particular.

There's definitely examples like the Lifestream or the Jenova Mansion that could be used. A stage that defines him. I mean, if it's Geno, what stage would he come with?

 

[MajoraMan28]

I don't know, let's not forget that each character comes with a stage, and I don't know if he would warrant any stage in particular.

You've got the Northern Crater, Planet's Core, Niblheim on Fire, the Abandoned Mansion, or less likely but equally cool Junon

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There's definitely examples like the Lifestream or the Jenova Mansion that could be used. A stage that defines him. I mean, if it's Geno, what stage would he come with?

Most obvious one would be the forest maze. I could imagine Bowyer as a stage hazard disabling buttons. Or maybe just firing off randomly

 

[Sigran101]

I don't know, let's not forget that each character comes with a stage, and I don't know if he would warrant any stage in particular.

I don't think Sephiroth is super likely, but I really doubt Sakurai would not add a character he otherwise would have just because that character's series doesn't need a second stage.

 

[EarlTamm]

There's definitely examples like the Lifestream or the Jenova Mansion that could be used. A stage that defines him. I mean, if it's Geno, what stage would he come with?

The thing about that is it feels weird for FFVII to get two stages for how difficult of an IP it is to work with and how many songs it would likely still lack. If I were Square, I would want my secound rep to represent something outside of FF altogether and not front load things. That does seem to be the trend of every other third party.

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

Geno will likely never get a new game, or if he does it'll be by a different director entirely. In 2013 the co-director of SMRPG (alongside Miyamoto) stated in an interview that "I don't feel like I want to return to that world and use those characters in another game, I feel like I was able to accomplish what I wanted to with that world and those characters and the gameplay ideas that came out of those, and now I mostly feel like I want to make something different."

Geno completely lacks a cross-promotion factor, and that makes him highly unlikely in my eyes.

Cloud is cross-promotion for the entire Final Fantasy series though since he's the poster boy for it. Comparing the scenario behind his inclusion and the scenario behind a potential Geno solution is comparing apples to oranges.

Except that my point was that Square would have gotten zero opportunity to do said cross promotion had Sakurai not approached them in the first place. True, it was beneficial for them because Cloud was still cross promotion in a way, but from the sound of things, they didn't really seem to care much who Sakurai chose, considering they offered him newer characters and he said no. If they were truly as greedy as all that, they would've simply refused when they didn't get approached for a character they thought was more profitable. But Cloud is in Smash, so obviously they bent.

What I'm saying here is, if Nintendo came to them and said "we want Geno or Crono," they're not going to go "NO. it's DQ or nothing." Because then they lose the opportunity to make anything at all.

The only point that counters this is if Square really did hold Cloud hostage and demand their pick. Which is a possibility. But it's also very risky when you consider they might have lost the opportunity for any licensing fees or cross promotion had Nintendo not given in.

It's hard to say either way. Which is why we can't really discount ANYBODY.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Miyamoto in general hates lore in the Mario series for some reason. I heard he was not happy about the little story bits that Rosalina tells in Galaxy even.

 

[Rummy]

As well, most of Alphadreams's founding staff members worked on SMRPG and they probably are fond of the origins of their mechanics that carried on and evolved into the M&L Series today.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

The situation of the source being an ambassador and having two connections within NoA is true, however I cannot confirm the 'Geno is a lock as DLC' portion at all as it's not true.



This is the only post I can find on short notice, but it gives you an idea of the earlier stuff PolarPanda brought to us from his source.

More recent stuff, in order of least to most recent, Panda's source told us that...

- Heard that Geno was being tossed around by NoA higher-ups
- Said that no one at all knows what the DLC is
- Said that Wave 2 is currently not planned and that we should make it known NOW that we want more content
- Said that Isaac was set to be an AT from very early on

There you go, that's about the jist of it. If I can find time/an easier method to find the exact quote I will and I will re-share them later on.

I think their source also got the bosses right? Didn't PolarPanda 's source say that Rathalos would be a boss before the August Direct?

 

[MajoraMan28]

The thing about that is it feels weird for FFVII to get two stages for how difficult of an IP it is to work with and how many songs it would likely still lack. If I were Square, I would want my secound rep to represent something outside of FF altogether and not front load things. That does seem to be the trend of every other third party.

I mean, if you read his previous posts, you would know that it's not a matter of IP being dificult to work with, but S-E themselves.
It's their common practice to give two to three musics at most for DLC content.
What I have to say about it is, since Smash is the first time in history a non-SE game gets SE content in the base game, who said that it can't also break the barrier of having two musics per DLC? Tetsuya Nomura seems pretty hyped up for Smash, given the FFVII Twitter post. And funny enough, at the end he said that there's a long week ahead and should go back to work immediately. Maybe Smash related?

 

[EarlTamm]

Except that my point was that Square would have gotten zero opportunity to do said cross promotion had Sakurai not approached them in the first place. True, it was beneficial for them because Cloud was still cross promotion in a way, but from the sound of things, they didn't really seem to care much who Sakurai chose, considering they offered him newer characters and he said no. If they were truly as greedy as all that, they would've simply refused when they didn't get approached for a character they thought was more profitable. But Cloud is in Smash, so obviously they bent.

What I'm saying here is, if Nintendo came to them and said "we want Geno or Crono," they're not going to go "NO. it's DQ or nothing." Because then they lose the opportunity to make anything at all.

The only point that counters this is if Square really did hold Cloud hostage and demand their pick. Which is a possibility. But it's also very risky when you consider they might have lost the opportunity for any licensing fees or cross promotion had Nintendo not given in.

It's hard to say either way. Which is why we can't really discount ANYBODY.

I just realized, while we know how much rode on Square saying yes to Cloud(That being "Everyone is here"), Square likely had no idea that was what they wanted to do. If they had known, then they would have had more negotiating power, which I don't think the Smash team would have wanted.

Miyamoto in general hates lore in the Mario series for some reason. I heard he was not happy about the little story bits that Rosalina tells in Galaxy even.

Yeah, but I don't think that is going to be as much of a problem anymore. One of the first changes out new Nintendo President noted would be happening under him is older members having such restrictive control over what must be done in the games. It almost felt like the entire thing was aimed directly at the controversy spawned from Minamoto's philosophy.

 

[Datboigeno]

There's definitely examples like the Lifestream or the Jenova Mansion that could be used. A stage that defines him. I mean, if it's Geno, what stage would he come with?

Is this a joke? Either Bowser's Castle with Exor sticking out of it or The Mushroom Forest would be perfect stages. Have you played SMRPG?

I just realized, while we know how much rode on Square saying yes to Cloud(That being "Everyone is here"), Square likely had no idea that was what they wanted to do. If they had known, then they would have had more negotiating power, which I don't think the Smash team would have wanted.

Yeah, but I don't think that is going to be as much of a problem anymore. One of the first changes out new Nintendo President noted would be happening under him is older members having such restrictive control over what must be done in the games. It almost felt like the entire thing was aimed directly at the controversy spawned from Minamoto's philosophy.

I hadn't heard about this, but that makes me very happy. Maybe there's hope yet for the Mario RPG titles.

 

[Icewolff92]

Miyamoto in general hates lore in the Mario series for some reason. I heard he was not happy about the little story bits that Rosalina tells in Galaxy even.

Yet, he want to be a director and is the man that got the hole idea of a Mario movie running?

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

I just realized, while we know how much rode on Square saying yes to Cloud(That being "Everyone is here"), Square likely had no idea that was what they wanted to do. If they had known, then they would have had more negotiating power, which I don't think the Smash team would have wanted.

Excellent point. When in negotiations, it's a power struggle. The LAST thing you want to do is show your hand, and give the opponent the advantage like that. That would have been VERY stupid of Nintendo, and I don't think they're that dumb when it comes to business matters. The truth is, they're the ones with the multi-million selling series, and Square is the one hemmoraging cash. People are giving Square a bit TOO much power, here.

I mean, ideally in negotiations, you find the deal that benefits everybody. I think Square would rather have that than nothing.

 

[A.G.L.]

Now, didn't they say that there were no plans to move the KH games anytime soon? Also, what you just said about the Mario RPG thing is probably gonna trigger some people, though I will not doubt that Nintendo might still have that mindset. SMRPG is still different enough, as it does offer a more in depth party like structure than some of the other games, as well as some more standard RPG fare. They all share the button input trait, but they all tend to have there own way of going about things. Plus, I could see Nintendo opting for this instead to make a more impressive, next gen showcase of the potential of Mario RPG's. Does not help that Paper Mario seem to be missing in action and the M&L series is stuck making remakes rather than any new games.

Edit: Also, let's not forget about the whole "Octopath team remastering old games" thing.

I really doubt anyone said they wouldn't move the KH games to the Switch. Even if Sora does not get in Smash, I can see KH eventually will come to the Switch. Also Nomura did say he would be open to the idea of KH3 coming to Switch after its initial release.
Sorry not trying to trigger fans, just logically I don't see it happening. Its more likely Square and Nintendo will focus their efforts on Octopath sequels than Super Mario RPG revival. That being said I hope im wrong, and it does happen. You never know stranger things have happened before.

Geno will likely never get a new game, or if he does it'll be by a different director entirely. In 2013 the co-director of SMRPG (alongside Miyamoto) stated in an interview that "I don't feel like I want to return to that world and use those characters in another game, I feel like I was able to accomplish what I wanted to with that world and those characters and the gameplay ideas that came out of those, and now I mostly feel like I want to make something different."

Geno completely lacks a cross-promotion factor, and that makes him highly unlikely in my eyes.

Cloud is cross-promotion for the entire Final Fantasy series though since he's the poster boy for it. Comparing the scenario behind his inclusion and the scenario behind a potential Geno solution is comparing apples to oranges.

Interesting, like iv said many times its hard to see Square is hard to predict due to how stingy they are. If this were Koei Temco or Ubisoft I do not think we would have such a hard time narrowing down which character it is.

 

[beans]

So, I came from general to discuss my own theory about the SE stuff, since I'm bored
Ye, reason enough. (CTRL-C, CTRL-V + touchups)

The trio I believe Nintendo made the talks about (have in mind I have big bias for SNES era Square) is Geno/Crono/Sora, with Sora being the cut one.
I believe it in the scenario of Nintendo starting the DLC talk with SE a long time ago, like the Sora Yes tweet and the start SE dlc rumors ago.

I see Nintendo choosing characters who have big relevancy to their systems and not others. Sephiroth would be cut here, since he is heavily linked to FF7, a PS1 title that represented SE changing from Nintendo to Sony. Cloud gets a pass because he is an icon of the franchise itself with his own popularity being big outside of his game. (also, as a personal opinion addendum, I think Sakurai wouldnt double down on an already represented 3rd party franchise when he has a chance to bring another one in)

I see Nintendo not choosing picks heavily preferred by one country with niche popularity in others. The 3 DQ (Slime, Luminary and Erdrick) would be cut here, since while DQ is really big in Japan, its niche in pretty much all other countries. (personal opinion addendum, again, Sakurai has already expressed that he takes worldwide popularity in consideration, as show with Takamaru. But with the FE duo in Melee, there is a counter-argument)

Nintendo would pick Crono for his popularity as a cult classic RPG heavily associated to the SNES.
Nintendo would pick Geno for the ease of his inclusion and as a fairly requested character.
Nintendo would pick Sora for his popularity as a popular and relevant franchise involved with Disney characters, since being associated with Disney brings populairty to him.

Talks for Sora would fall early because of the complications with him being a Disney character. (now this maybe reaching, but I'd like to also theorize with the Sora tweet from long ago. When being questioned about Sora being in Smash, a SE representative [Hashimoto] said "YES", with the tweet being deleted shortly after because it hinted at private negotions currently in the works)

With the remaining being Geno and Crono, two characters heavily associated with Nintendo with a following, the decision probaly was made by Sakurai or by Nintendo higher ups.

TL;DR: Nintendo was dead set on their picks, and the only talks that happened were the ones involving the trio Sora/Crono/Geno.
Nintendo were not interested in what Square personaly wanted to promote, with their picks being classic characters already associated with themselves and a relevant one with mass popularity.
The dificulties of Sora we're noticed early, with Disney having to be involved with it making all the work even more complicated.
Square denied Sora quickly and Nomura reacted, since Sora was a solid pick that he believed the gains outweighed the costs.
The character inclusion still rest with the higher ups or Sakurai. It needs to be know, however, that Sakurai is a big name in Nintendo, therefore people respect his opinion in the picks greatly.

 

[EarlTamm]

Excellent point. When in negotiations, it's a power struggle. The LAST thing you want to do is show your hand, and give the opponent the advantage like that. That would have been VERY stupid of Nintendo, and I don't think they're that dumb when it comes to business matters. The truth is, they're the ones with the multi-million selling series, and Square is the one hemmoraging cash. People are giving Square a bit TOO much power, here.

I mean, ideally in negotiations, you find the deal that benefits everybody. I think Square would rather have that than nothing.

And let's not forget about Square's current money problems. They just might want something where they can get big profits now without having to split the cash, as well as have something long term.

 

[Icewolff92]

I mean, if you read his previous posts, you would know that it's not a matter of IP being dificult to work with, but S-E themselves.
It's their common practice to give two to three musics at most for DLC content.
What I have to say about it is, since Smash is the first time in history a non-SE game gets SE content in the base game, who said that it can't also break the barrier of having two musics per DLC? Tetsuya Nomura seems pretty hyped up for Smash, given the FFVII Twitter post. And funny enough, at the end he said that there's a long week ahead and should go back to work immediately. Maybe Smash related?

Link to tweet?

 

[MajoraMan28]

Link to tweet?

I posted on the Sephiroth forum with a longer explanation on his case for inclusion.
https://twitter.com/FFVIIR_CLOUD/st...RjroOm3UPB8uYv75eHxv33shc7tWXTYEDlcDQHxq9nwJM

There's also this cute little detail on the art:
https://twitter.com/envinyon/status...OxM_VCtsBWl0xhf5tGtaf0fRvex6BaqiLAT_UPEs_hKKo

 

[Icewolff92]

I posted on the Sephiroth forum with a longer explanation on his case for inclusion.
https://twitter.com/FFVIIR_CLOUD/st...RjroOm3UPB8uYv75eHxv33shc7tWXTYEDlcDQHxq9nwJM

There's also this cute little detail on the art:
https://twitter.com/envinyon/status...OxM_VCtsBWl0xhf5tGtaf0fRvex6BaqiLAT_UPEs_hKKo

That detail was brilliant

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Interesting that both comments that contradict each other were made by Yoshihiko Maekawa

The Kotaku one seems to have come first so he might have changed his mind within that small time period

Maybe he noticed the interest people had in the character

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Miyamoto in general hates lore in the Mario series for some reason. I heard he was not happy about the little story bits that Rosalina tells in Galaxy even.

Yeah, there's something wrong with him when it comes to expanded Mario lore. As much as I love the guy, this is one of the things I DO NOT like about him. I also heard he was a huge **** to Rare and treated Donkey Kong Country like ****; no wonder Rare chose to be bought out by Microsoft. Something gets me the feeling that Miyamoto didn't like DKC because of the expanded lore with the new Donkey Kong characters like the Kong Family and Kremlings.

Miyamoto created Mario and its original story in SMB for the NES; this is probably why he acts like Square whenever the Mario lore is expanding because he wants Mario to stick to his original story. As much as I love Bowser, he gets tiring as the main villain, but Bowser being an anti-hero in Bowser's Inside Story and being the hero in Super Mario RPG and Super Paper Mario is what I love most about Bowser... just Bowser being the good guy for once is amazing. Intelligent Systems and AlphaDream really know how to make good stories, but they just need to keep Miyamoto away from making the story or else he's gonna keep the lore from expanding.

Becuase of Miyamoto, Paper Mario 3D is what turned into Sticker Star. Paper Mario 3D was actually looking a lot like The Thousand Year Door, but Miyamoto saw that and didn't like it, so he decided to change it up. We went from having Paper Mario, a chain chomp partner, the PM64/TTYD battle system, a TTYD-looking story to having stickers take over the land, having a b****y crown as your only partner, having an awful story, and taking out the RPG mechanics. I'm surprised Miyamoto didn't like Super Paper Mario because the game's story and gameplay was fantastic, even if there were no RPG mechanics. We may never see a new Paper Mario game ever again, especially since Color Splash only sold 160k copies, and the Paper Mario crossover with the Mario & Luigi series didn't sell too well either. Let's hope Miyamoto DID NOT choose the 5 DLC characters because he definitely would've stayed away from Super Mario RPG.

This is what makes a Mario game great:
-The story
-The original and new characters
-The gameplay
-The mechanics
-The soundtrack

 

[A.G.L.]

Not to derail the current topics, but I wanted to see everyones preferences on this.

If you could have any 5 video game characters in Smash which would they be? You can also choose a stage and one song.

For my personal list it would be

1) Noctis(FF15), Insomnia as stage, Apocalypsis Aquarius as the song.

2) Ryu Hayabusa(Ninja Gaiden), Castle of the Dragon as stage, Unbreakable Determination as song.

3) Spyro the Dragon(Spyro), Stone Hill stage, Spyro 1 Theme.

4) Will(Advance Wars Days of Ruin) Rubinelle and Lazuria Battleground, Wills theme song.

5) Master Chief (Halo) Ark (Installation 00) as stage, Halo Main theme.

 

[Datboigeno]

Not to derail the current topics, but I wanted to see everyones preferences on this.

If you could have any 5 video game characters in Smash which would they be? You can also choose a stage and one song.

For my personal list it would be

1) Noctis(FF15), Insomnia as stage, Apocalypsis Aquarius as the song.

2) Ryu Hayabusa(Ninja Gaiden), Castle of the Dragon as stage, Unbreakable Determination as song.

3) Spyro the Dragon(Spyro), Stone Hill stage, Spyro 1 Theme.

4) Will(Advance Wars Days of Ruin) Rubinelle and Lazuria Battleground, Wills theme as song.

5) Master Chief (Halo) Ark (Installation 00) as stage, Halo Main theme.

Not that I dislike this topic, but this is a Geno thread and has already been deviating into more general SE discussion. This question would be more suitable for a more general thread imo

 

[beans]

Yeah, there's something wrong with him when it comes to expanded Mario lore. As much as I love the guy, this is one of the things I DO NOT like about him. I also heard he was a huge **** to Rare and treated Donkey Kong Country like ****; no wonder Rare chose to be bought out by Microsoft. Something gets me the feeling that Miyamoto didn't like DKC because of the expanded lore with the new Donkey Kong characters like the Kong Family and Kremlings.

Miyamoto created Mario and its original story in SMB for the NES; this is probably why he acts like Square whenever the Mario lore is expanding because he wants Mario to stick to his original story. As much as I love Bowser, he gets tiring as the main villain, but Bowser being an anti-hero in Bowser's Inside Story and being the hero in Super Mario RPG and Super Paper Mario is what I love most about Bowser... just Bowser being the good guy for once is amazing. Intelligent Systems and AlphaDream really know how to make good stories, but they just need to keep Miyamoto away from making the story or else he's gonna keep the lore from expanding.

Becuase of Miyamoto, Paper Mario 3D is what turned into Sticker Star. Paper Mario 3D was actually looking a lot like The Thousand Year Door, but Miyamoto saw that and didn't like it, so he decided to change it up. We went from having Paper Mario, a chain chomp partner, the PM64/TTYD battle system, a TTYD-looking story to having stickers take over the land, having a b****y crown as your only partner, having an awful story, and taking out the RPG mechanics. I'm surprised Miyamoto didn't like Super Paper Mario because the game's story and gameplay was fantastic, even if there were no RPG mechanics. We may never see a new Paper Mario game ever again, especially since Color Splash only sold 160k copies, and the Paper Mario crossover with the Mario & Luigi series didn't sell too well either. Let's hope Miyamoto DID NOT choose the 5 DLC characters because he definitely would've stayed away from Super Mario RPG.

This is what makes a Mario game great:
-The story
-The original and new characters
-The gameplay
-The mechanics
-The soundtrack

I agree with most of your opinions on Miyamoto.
But I see where he comes from. Japanese developers are really "serious" about their own characters.
Warioware cast only exists cause they didnt want to use normal Mario characters.
Miyamoto may look at all the lore, new species, different mechanics as something that deviates from his original vision of the simple platformer game Mario still is to his eyes.

I want to see a deconstruction of that vision of Mario: a goofy franchise with no real attempts to change itself outside their main work with every thing else being a simple side project
The idea of Mario changing, having a big game outside of its main genre, having a complex story, breaking its own ideals of simple and easy is an attractive one.

 

[Icewolff92]

Yeah, there's something wrong with him when it comes to expanded Mario lore. As much as I love the guy, this is one of the things I DO NOT like about him. I also heard he was a huge **** to Rare and treated Donkey Kong Country like ****; no wonder Rare chose to be bought out by Microsoft. Something gets me the feeling that Miyamoto didn't like DKC because of the expanded lore with the new Donkey Kong characters like the Kong Family and Kremlings.

Miyamoto created Mario and its original story in SMB for the NES; this is probably why he acts like Square whenever the Mario lore is expanding because he wants Mario to stick to his original story. As much as I love Bowser, he gets tiring as the main villain, but Bowser being an anti-hero in Bowser's Inside Story and being the hero in Super Mario RPG and Super Paper Mario is what I love most about Bowser... just Bowser being the good guy for once is amazing. Intelligent Systems and AlphaDream really know how to make good stories, but they just need to keep Miyamoto away from making the story or else he's gonna keep the lore from expanding.

Becuase of Miyamoto, Paper Mario 3D is what turned into Sticker Star. Paper Mario 3D was actually looking a lot like The Thousand Year Door, but Miyamoto saw that and didn't like it, so he decided to change it up. We went from having Paper Mario, a chain chomp partner, the PM64/TTYD battle system, a TTYD-looking story to having stickers take over the land, having a b****y crown as your only partner, having an awful story, and taking out the RPG mechanics. I'm surprised Miyamoto didn't like Super Paper Mario because the game's story and gameplay was fantastic, even if there were no RPG mechanics. We may never see a new Paper Mario game ever again, especially since Color Splash only sold 160k copies, and the Paper Mario crossover with the Mario & Luigi series didn't sell too well either. Let's hope Miyamoto DID NOT choose the 5 DLC characters because he definitely would've stayed away from Super Mario RPG.

This is what makes a Mario game great:
-The story
-The original and new characters
-The gameplay
-The mechanics
-The soundtrack

Miyamoto's focus is more than likely only on the animated movie right now that he is working on with Illumination (creator of Minions). And yes, he was one of the driving forces to make that movie happeen which is quite hillarious

 

[UberPyro64]

I still think Erdrick is the likeliest. Dragon Quest has collaborated with Mario on multiple occasions. I really think it's going to happen.

I unfortunately don't think Square Enix or Nintendo really care about Geno

 

[Icewolff92]

I still think Erdrick is the likeliest. Dragon Quest has collaborated with Mario on multiple occasions. I really think it's going to happen.

I unfortunately don't think Square Enix or Nintendo really care about Geno

All of those games are made by Square with Nintendo as the guests (something that I can admit that I didn't know until recently either), and not the other way around though. Plus if they remove the feather from Game & Watch because it caused steer due to political reasons... I can't say that I see them wanting to touch DQ music

 

[TheBeastHimself]

To be honest I think Mario is fine the way he is. Mario was always sort of represented as the average man who can do everything, and his own games show that, being a doctor, plumber, kart racer, and even doing RPG stuff. Mario is clearly fine doing simple 2D/3D platformers with showcase a simple Mario vs. Bowser plot, given how successful Odyssey was, so I don't think Miyamoto needs to change anything that he's doing. Mario is always going to be the cash cow, and if his repetitive formula didn't stop sales over 30 years later, I doubt it will anytime in the near future.

However, what I do think Nintendo needs to do is stop treating RPG games like they are nothing. They are marketed to be side games but I think they should be put in the limelight more. Treat the next Mario and Luigi or Paper Mario like it's New Super Mario Bros.

 

[Datboigeno]

Hey you know what would be fun for the Geno thread instead of people saying how much they don't think Geno will be in:

What kind of crossover character interactions would you like him to have if he gets a CGI trailer? I'm talking characters other than Mario, Peach, and Bowser. I think Rosalina would be a good character for him to be paried with. Also Megaman in a weird way meshes well with Geno though he was already in the Ridley trailer.

 

[Icewolff92]

Hey you know what would be fun for the Geno thread instead of people saying how much they don't think Geno will be in:

What kind of crossover character interactions would you like him to have if he gets a CGI trailer? I'm talking characters other than Mario, Peach, and Bowser. I think Rosalina would be a good character for him to be paried with. Also Megaman in a weird way meshes well with Geno though he was already in the Ridley trailer.

I say Rosalina or Kirby.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

What kind of crossover character interactions would you like him to have if he gets a CGI trailer? I'm talking characters other than Mario, Peach, and Bowser. I think Rosalina would be a good character for him to be paried with. Also Megaman in a weird way meshes well with Geno though he was already in the Ridley trailer.

I know I'm incredibly biased, but Ness. I feel like those two can have some pretty good interactions.

 

[AugustusB]

Hey you know what would be fun for the Geno thread instead of people saying how much they don't think Geno will be in:

What kind of crossover character interactions would you like him to have if he gets a CGI trailer? I'm talking characters other than Mario, Peach, and Bowser. I think Rosalina would be a good character for him to be paried with. Also Megaman in a weird way meshes well with Geno though he was already in the Ridley trailer.

I would like to see Geno interact with Pit. We could see Pit fighting either Mario or Peach and Geno mistakens Pit's arrows for Boyer's and proceeds to attack back.

Then they could talk about being (semi) holy warriors.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Hey you know what would be fun for the Geno thread instead of people saying how much they don't think Geno will be in:

What kind of crossover character interactions would you like him to have if he gets a CGI trailer? I'm talking characters other than Mario, Peach, and Bowser. I think Rosalina would be a good character for him to be paried with. Also Megaman in a weird way meshes well with Geno though he was already in the Ridley trailer.

K. Rool was seen right at the end of Incineroar's trailer, so I think Mega Man could be there still.

 

[MajoraMan28]

Hey you know what would be fun for the Geno thread instead of people saying how much they don't think Geno will be in:

What kind of crossover character interactions would you like him to have if he gets a CGI trailer? I'm talking characters other than Mario, Peach, and Bowser. I think Rosalina would be a good character for him to be paried with. Also Megaman in a weird way meshes well with Geno though he was already in the Ridley trailer.

Ironically, Cloud, given that they share the same company and genre, with FF references in SMRPG that can't be ignored.

 

[beans]

Hey you know what would be fun for the Geno thread instead of people saying how much they don't think Geno will be in:

What kind of crossover character interactions would you like him to have if he gets a CGI trailer? I'm talking characters other than Mario, Peach, and Bowser. I think Rosalina would be a good character for him to be paried with. Also Megaman in a weird way meshes well with Geno though he was already in the Ridley trailer.

I want to see a scene with Kirby (Robin absorbed) shooting thunder or one with Geno bowing to Palutena.

 

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My thoughts if this is all true: After everything Fatmanonice said, I feel really confident about Geno coming. Let's use the process of elimination method: We know that there were only 3 Square Enix characters who were on the table, and they were from the compiled list of names Vergeben was told, meaning we can rule out all the SE characters who weren't on the list, most notably Neku, Lightning, Noctis, Chocobo, and any DQ character that isn't Erdrick, Slime, or Luminary. The other 4 characters on the list were water cooler gossip (lol). One of the 3 SE characters was rejected by Square Enix, and was described by Fatmanonice as "if you have been following the thread, you will have a good idea who the cut character is." Vergeben was told that Sora is not in the game, so the rejected character is most likely Sora, so we can rule him out. One of the two remaining characters is leak bait, and the other 4 SE characters on the list were water cooler gossip. Vergeben was told to not take Geno too seriously. I'm pretty sure if he was mentioned once and told to not be taken seriously, he would be neither leak bait nor water cooler gossip. Geno is also likely not the rejected character, because the creators of Super Mario RPG don't work at Square Enix anymore. This means that Sephiroth, Crono, and the DQ characters are all either leak bait or water cooler gossip. They were mentioned numerous times, more so than Geno. To recap: Geno is likely NOT the rejected character, he is NOT the leak bait character, and he is likely NOT a water cooler gossip character. I am really confident that Geno has beaten his Square Enix competition, and Sakurai and Nintendo already have the rights to him. I think this is his time

 

[Datboigeno]

K. Rool was seen right at the end of Incineroar's trailer, so I think Mega Man could be there still.

Oh yeah thats true! Good call

 

[Luigi The President]

Alright, after everything Fatmanonice said, I feel really confident about Geno coming. Let's use the process of elimination method: We know that there were only 3 Square Enix characters who were on the table, and they were from the compiled list of names Vergeben was told, meaning we can rule out all the SE characters who weren't on the list, most notably Neku, Lightning, Noctis, Chocobo, and any DQ character that isn't Erdrick, Slime, or Luminary. The other 4 characters on the list were water cooler gossip (lol). One of the 3 SE characters was rejected by Square Enix, and was described by Fatmanonice as "if you have been following the thread, you will have a good idea who the cut character is." Vergeben was told that Sora is not in the game, so the rejected character is most likely Sora, so we can rule him out. One of the two remaining characters is leak bait, and the other 4 SE characters on the list were water cooler gossip. Vergeben was told to not take Geno too seriously. I'm pretty sure if he was mentioned once and told to not be taken seriously, he would be neither leak bait nor water cooler gossip. Geno is also likely not the rejected character, because the creators of Super Mario RPG don't work at Square Enix anymore. This means that Sephiroth, Crono, and the DQ characters are all either leak bait or water cooler gossip. They were mentioned numerous times, more so than Geno. To recap: Geno is likely NOT the rejected character, he is NOT the leak bait character, and he is likely NOT a water cooler gossip character. I am really confident that Geno has beaten his Square Enix competition, and Sakurai and Nintendo already have the rights to him. I think this is his time

You're getting excited way too quick my friend. These kind of assumptions were what I made as a Shadow fan during base game and Isaac fans made as well.
Geno certainly isn't the rejected character, yes, but everything else is unknown.

I want to point out we're taking this outsider, as fatmanonice described them, coming in and saying "there's only 3" as gospel WAY too hard. Let's cool it folks; we just don't know yet.