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Agree friend lets hope Square plays nice for Yoko's sake.
All rather excellent choices. I think we can all agree that some form of One Winged Angel should have already been in Smash by now.
Very unlikely the one turned down is Sora, as iv stated before if it is Sora. And the creators of Sora pushed for him, then that mean Tetsuya Nomura and Disney pushed for him. No way Square would easily say no to those two giants. Its more likely its DQ due to lack of global popularity and Sugiyama being difficult to work with. Also I understand this is a Geno thread, but Geno is not 100% sure. He does not meet the Square requirements for DLC, which is he represents the company, he is still relevant, and he helps them cross promote. Im not saying its not Geno, but he is not 100%.
I didn't say 100%, I said 99%
Why, just because they're "Giants"? So if they said "Cancel Smash Bros" Nintendo have to accept it? Or SE have to accept everything?
I don't know, there seems to be a lot of stress involved.
Just to play around with this idea, Nomura and Sakurai are pretty good buddies. They may have gone for Sora, but could not due to Disney not wanting to play ball. Could explain Verge hearing that Sora is a no go.
Tetsuya Nomura designed Sephiroth.
We know, we saw the tweet.
Due to how much of a giant Nomura is in Square I don't see this being the case. Nomura has been behind FF15, KH3 and FF7 remake. He has literally been behind the biggest names in recent Square popularity. For Square to say no to not only him, but Disney is very unlikely. Also Disney has been shown to play nice, they did lend Ralph in Sonic & All Stars Racing. And this character is way more of a priority to Disney than Sora is. I wouldn't shoot down Sora so easily out of all the Square reps on that list. Sora has the highest chance of making both Nintendo and Square the most money. Becuase Sora has more of a long term income vs short term income chance. Also he could help Square cross promote KH3 and could open the door for KH games to come to the Switch. We also know Nomura is open to the idea of KH3 coming to the Switch. And with Yoko already on board, this character if Disney is cooperative would make them the most money. Both Nintendo and Square are aware of this, and there is no way Square would say no so easily to a character that could make them so much money.I didn't say 100%, I said 99%
The Tetsuya Nomura thing is exactly why I think he is the turned down one: I can reasonably see Nomura being upset about them turning down Sora, and Sora was told to Verge as someone that definitely isn't in. The dragon quest creators, based on what I know, seem much more likely to not care if DQ was turned down from the get-go. Also, Sora being tied to Disney is exactly why they might turn him down immediately: Disney would want way more of the pie than anyone else.
gonna be honest with you fam, this just feels like overly dramatic bs made up by leakers who think they are in some sort of high stakes spying mission. yeah there's jobs in the line, but i don't think square is gonna go James Bond on an anonymous person who leaked a bunch of names, especially since many of the characters are common speculation. all of this stuff just sounds overly ridiculous and really reminds me of the "nintendo is baiting leakers!!!1" stuff that got blown out of the water during the november direct.
Ah, but the question is would Square want to share with Disney. Heck, I think we can practically gaurantee that Square would get nothing out of Sora Amiibo sales. And with DQ, while that is true, they have already attempted similar things 3 or 4 times now, even with Mario himself. Of course DQ creators would still want it, but Square and Nintendo might not see it making any difference.
Agree that is the problem Square would have to share with Disney. That being said the sales from Sora might be so great, that it makes up for the difference. A lot of this is speculation and by no means am I saying Sora is 100% the Square rep. I am just saying from sales point of view it makes sense that he would be the one that generates the most income. Square as we have seen loves it when they can make a lot of money off of their cross promoted picks. If The Game Awards does reveal the first DLC character. And if Vergeben's claims for the first DLC to be a Square one, then we might not have much longer to see who it is. Ill be happy whoever it is, as my most wanted Square pick Noctis is no way going to make it in. So whoever gets in, I will be happy for that fanbase.
Very hard to choose only 5, given how amazing their music usually are.
I definitely think Sora would be up there in sales, but it is all about that difference. I think sales of a character can very often be successful as long as the concept and gameplay of the character is good. Also helps if said character is often requested. I have little doubt that Square has some knowledge of how well there characters did on the ballot, and I think its likely they did some number crunching to determine how likely each target audience would buy, or even be able to buy, said DLC and how much they would have to share with other companies if the characters required it.Agree that is the problem Square would have to share with Disney. That being said the sales from Sora might be so great, that it makes up for the difference. A lot of this is speculation and by no means am I saying Sora is 100% the Square rep. I am just saying from sales point of view it makes sense that he would be the one that generates the most income. Square as we have seen loves it when they can make a lot of money off of their cross promoted picks. If The Game Awards does reveal the first DLC character. And if Vergeben's claims for the first DLC to be a Square one, then we might not have much longer to see who it is. Ill be happy whoever it is, as my most wanted Square pick Noctis is no way going to make it in. So whoever gets in, I will be happy for that fanbase.
Also since we have been talking about Nomura and Sakurai so much I thought I would share this great photo of two legends.
Ah, but see we have to consider all the aspects of income. If we are only going to put a character because of how well they did in a Smash ballot, but they cannot create long term income is it worth it? We have to consider the power cross promotion has, and how much it can affect the sales of both games. I will give you an example Maximillian Dood a famous Youtuber loves Tekken, he also loves FF7. When Noctis was announced for Tekken 7 he and his friends were heard booing and being very disappointed. When he got to play as Noctis, he began to like the character. This caused him to want to play FF15 to see what he was all about. He loved FF15 so much he said behind FF7, FF15 was his favorite FF game. This is an example of cross promotion and how it can affect sales for both games. You get people who love FF15 buying Tekken 7 because Noctis is in, and you have people liking Noctis so they buy FF15. This is an example of long term income, because for years both companies can make more money.
No Price of Freedom on this list? I really would want that track if they added only FF7 music, that song is so emotional. Other than that I love this list job well done friend.
What about the third character? We have two described here.
I say Sora Geno and Sephiroth is the 3 that is legit just because Crono and Dragon Quest is a legal nightmare due to Akira Toriyama and the composer.
I want a remix/medley of fight against monsters/fight against a somewhat stronger monster/fight against an armed boss, I feel like those three songs are perfect to mashup together. A remix of Smithy phase 1 & 2 in a similar vein, Barrel Volcano, Let's go down the Wine River, and Beware the Forest Mushrooms. That's my five.
Of course there is that as well, though I feel it is a bit more awkward in Sora's case, as so much of Sora's games(Including KH3) are on other consoles. Does not help that every KH game on Nintendo consoles have either become cutscene movies are got superior versions on competitors consoles. I could see Geno's inclusion as a way to jump start a revival for the SMRPG series, which could prove beneficial for both Square and Nintendo. Square has no use for the series without Nintendo's involvement and if there Switch exclusive team is anything to go by, they have become much closer to Nintendo again. Having any cut of the pie from the Mario series is a potential gold mine for Square. Nintendo could want a SMRPG revival due to how the other two Mario RPG series have been faltering as of late, and bringing it back to such basics and working with such big RPG professionals could prove for more success. And Nintendo has certainly opened up to much more crossover as of late, with the Warriors crossovers and Rabbids.
Being honest, not only do I dislike the expanded universe entirely due to it being off of the original game in so many ways, but I think that FFVI music would be restricted to the original game only, hence why I didn't consider music from AC that, while the OST is bad to mediocre, there are some great gems there. Nothing personal, I'm just not a fan of the musical approach of a good portion of Crisis Core, AC and other medium. FFVII is supposed to be a classical approach mixed with industrial cyberpunk sounds. I mean, that's the musical identity the OG game passed.
The thing with Sora is he could easily have all his games moved over to the Switch in a surprising move. Just like how Square shocked so many of us by bringing so many FF titles to the Switch. If Square were to release a KH bundle after Sora's possible release as the DLC this problem of not being able to cross promote on the Switch goes away.
I would agree with all this, if Square alone was picking the DLC. But they're not. Nintendo is. And let's not forget, Sakurai was the one who picked Cloud, and Square said ok. They didn't say "nope, you gotta put in this character from New Game X so we can cross promote." Sakurai came with who he wanted, and got who he wanted.
Geno will likely never get a new game, or if he does it'll be by a different director entirely. In 2013 the co-director of SMRPG (alongside Miyamoto) stated in an interview that "I don't feel like I want to return to that world and use those characters in another game, I feel like I was able to accomplish what I wanted to with that world and those characters and the gameplay ideas that came out of those, and now I mostly feel like I want to make something different."
Cloud is cross-promotion for the entire Final Fantasy series though since he's the poster boy for it. Comparing the scenario behind his inclusion and the scenario behind a potential Geno solution is comparing apples to oranges.
Now, didn't they say that there were no plans to move the KH games anytime soon? Also, what you just said about the Mario RPG thing is probably gonna trigger some people, though I will not doubt that Nintendo might still have that mindset. SMRPG is still different enough, as it does offer a more in depth party like structure than some of the other games, as well as some more standard RPG fare. They all share the button input trait, but they all tend to have there own way of going about things. Plus, I could see Nintendo opting for this instead to make a more impressive, next gen showcase of the potential of Mario RPG's. Does not help that Paper Mario seem to be missing in action and the M&L series is stuck making remakes rather than any new games.
That's funny because in a different interview
In an ideal world, Ninty would outright buy Geno/Mallow back and they could be mainstays for Mario spinoffs/Smash.
Stop playing with my heart!
That is correct. Only other FF character was Sephiroth
Well yeah, I have a feeling it's him. I wouldn't mind it since I'd be able to do team battles of Link and Cloud vs. Ganondorf and Sephiroth.
