Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Fatmanonice]

can you name them

I was asked not to repeat them but it's not exactly esoteric. We've talked about these topics a lot in this thread but, like I said, some of these people are genuinely trying to distance themselves from these because of trouble them or their associates got into over them so I'm trying to respect that.

 

[CannonStreak]

Hello, everyone. I know I said I was going to leave the Geno thread. I have something to say, but before that, here is something else I have to say.

Although it was how the positivity was handled by Geno fans and expressed rather than the positivity itself, I have to admit, I was way over my head, and not thinking clearly. Days before the leaving thing, I was increasingly getting upset about things in the Geno thread, but I knew I could not change anyone, not that I wanted to. I was only concerned, and wanted to help, and feeling helpless, I even cried thinking I could not help. But the key word is thinking, not knowing. It seems many people are not prone to getting throwing a fit over if Geno is in or not, and the same people probably would not be upset if others picked on them if Geno was not in. I understand the Geno thread has been through, and I put an emphasis on, a lot, as you all know. Still, again, I did not want to change anything about you guys, as I was only concerned. I may have seemed a bit immature there, but I meant well.

I may not have handled it well enough, and said things I did not mean, but regardless, what I was trying to say was more complex, or at least deeper than what the text showed on the screen. Speaking of text, I may have been a bit agitated back then, but I was mostly calm, and in fact, I was not resorting to yelling or being mean, or even condescending in my posts. Without voice to back it up, text can only show so much. I was just trying to be polite as possible. With my not wanting anyone to change, including QQS, I meant no harm. I just was upset, and may have forgotten some key things about Geno fans, like some things about QQS and our ability to regulate our emotions, and the Geno thread's history and rough times. Some of you may not have handled what I did and said well, but believe me when I say I won't blame or hold anyone responsible for what happened. That was my fault. I understand why some of you may have been upset at me for what I did. Also, I apparently, or objectively had a hard time trying to say what I was trying to say. Maybe it is because of my lack of communication in the real world, which, in turn, may be because I am autistic.

Anyway, I was hoping I could come back to the Geno thread once more. I am willing to come back, hopefully for good. I am a bit uncertain about the future, as I am not sure it will happen again, and I hope it does not happen, for I really do not want to snap again. If I am coming close, I do plan to talking on friends here before I do so. That said, I do apologize if I upset anyone, or if I unintentionally said things that may not have been interpreted the way I hoped it would be by others, which was nothing intentionally bad. I can promise if you got to know me better, I am not only a better person than you may think, who even hates to be condescending and mean, but I believe in everyone being equal, including myself, I do not, and never want to wish that my way of thinking is superior to anyone else, especially here, but others as well. I could not have that way of thinking if I tried. With that, I was also conflicted on the inside, since I went to the Geno thread and the Newcomer thread, and the difference between each thread and points of views on each other, especially from the Newcomer thread, kinda tore me apart mentally.

Still, I am not sure about believing in the thing called Cacomallow, not because people are positive about it, but I am not sure of its validity. However, I am not going to complain about it, for I am not those who think it is real. I would rather respect things I don't agree with rather than complain. That goes for everything else, including things like being excited for small things that may not be hinting at Geno. Regardless though, whether it is that or Cacomallow, that is something we should just not focus on now and treat it as irrelevant in terms of this post.

I already talked to a mod about this, as well as QQS, and told them the story, and in the case of QQS, I honestly told him he was a good dude. The mod understood, and QQS and I have essentially made up. Also, that thing I admit was rather bad about posting my leaving the Geno thread on the Newcomer Discussion back then, I wasn't trying to be harmful to the Geno thread, not intentionally, not to mention with how I was upset, I forgot about the war between the Geno thread and the Newcomer thread, and how they don't get along.

Some of you may still not like me, and I understand. Still, I hope I can be welcomed back to the Geno thread, as I am sorry for what went down a few days ago. I hope this does not happen again. With that, I just want to talk about Geno again and celebrate should he get in, which I still think is not only likely, but very likely.

 

[Paraspikey]

Nobody who ""leaked"" Lloyd got C&D'd I believe, though the rest on that list is accurate.

 

[Deleted member]

Please Nintendo, give us Geno. I don’t care if he is objectively the worst character in the game. If he is insufferable to play as, I would still be glad that Geno is in the game and have no regrets rooting for him. Also, I’m pretty sure others would feel the same.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Nobody who ""leaked"" Lloyd got C&D'd I believe, though the rest on that list is accurate.

I put Lloyd because there was crossover with a couple of people. For example, some people mentioned multiple characters with Lloyd included but, looking at the bigger picture, it's more likely they got in trouble for information that wasn't Lloyd but I can't outright prove Lloyd wasn't part of the reason for "getting caught."

 

[StarLight42]

Hello, everyone. I know I said I was going to leave the Geno thread. I have something to say, but before that, here is something else I have to say.

Although it was how the positivity was handled by Geno fans and expressed rather than the positivity itself, I have to admit, I was way over my head, and not thinking clearly. Days before the leaving thing, I was increasingly getting upset about things in the Geno thread, but I knew I could not change anyone, not that I wanted to. I was only concerned, and wanted to help, and feeling helpless, I even cried thinking I could not help. But the key word is thinking, not knowing. It seems many people are not prone to getting throwing a fit over if Geno is in or not, and the same people probably would not be upset if others picked on them if Geno was not in. I understand the Geno thread has been through, and I put an emphasis on, a lot, as you all know. Still, again, I did not want to change anything about you guys, as I was only concerned. I may have seemed a bit immature there, but I meant well.

I may not have handled it well enough, and said things I did not mean, but regardless, what I was trying to say was more complex, or at least deeper than what the text showed on the screen. Speaking of text, I may have been a bit agitated back then, but I was mostly calm, and in fact, I was not resorting to yelling or being mean, or even condescending in my posts. Without voice to back it up, text can only show so much. I was just trying to be polite as possible. With my not wanting anyone to change, including QQS, I meant no harm. I just was upset, and may have forgotten some key things about Geno fans, like some things about QQS and our ability to regulate our emotions, and the Geno thread's history and rough times. Some of you may not have handled what I did and said well, but believe me when I say I won't blame or hold anyone responsible for what happened. That was my fault. I understand why some of you may have been upset at me for what I did. Also, I apparently, or objectively had a hard time trying to say what I was trying to say. Maybe it is because of my lack of communication in the real world, which, in turn, may be because I am autistic.

Anyway, I was hoping I could come back to the Geno thread once more. I am willing to come back, hopefully for good. I am a bit uncertain about the future, as I am not sure it will happen again, and I hope it does not happen, for I really do not want to snap again. If I am coming close, I do plan to talking on friends here before I do so. That said, I do apologize if I upset anyone, or if I unintentionally said things that may not have been interpreted the way I hoped it would be by others, which was nothing intentionally bad. I can promise if you got to know me better, I am not only a better person than you may think, who even hates to be condescending and mean, but I believe in everyone being equal, including myself, I do not, and never want to wish that my way of thinking is superior to anyone else, especially here, but others as well. I could not have that way of thinking if I tried. With that, I was also conflicted on the inside, since I went to the Geno thread and the Newcomer thread, and the difference between each thread and points of views on each other, especially from the Newcomer thread, kinda tore me apart mentally.

Still, I am not sure about believing in the thing called Cacomallow, not because people are positive about it, but I am not sure of its validity. However, I am not going to complain about it, for I am not those who think it is real. I would rather respect things I don't agree with rather than complain. That goes for everything else, including things like being excited for small things that may not be hinting at Geno. Regardless though, whether it is that or Cacomallow, that is something we should just not focus on now and treat it as irrelevant in terms of this post.

I already talked to a mod about this, as well as QQS, and told them the story, and in the case of QQS, I honestly told him he was a good dude. The mod understood, and QQS and I have essentially made up. Also, that thing I admit was rather bad about posting my leaving the Geno thread on the Newcomer Discussion back then, I wasn't trying to be harmful to the Geno thread, not intentionally, not to mention with how I was upset, I forgot about the war between the Geno thread and the Newcomer thread, and how they don't get along.

Some of you may still not like me, and I understand. Still, I hope I can be welcomed back to the Geno thread, as I am sorry for what went down a few days ago. I hope this does not happen again. With that, I just want to talk about Geno again and celebrate should he get in, which I still think is not only likely, but very likely.

it’s fine. Don’t worry about it

If you wish to exit the thread, just do so. Don’t worry about being “banned” from the thread shall you decide to not participate, that’s completely your choice and I doubt anyone here would be mad at you for taking some time away from the Geno thread. It is completely fine. I have done it myself multiple times this year.

Just try not to stir the pot between us and the newcomer thread, that’s all we ask. Aside from that, you’re welcome to be here when you want to, and you’re also welcome to leave the thread when you want to. There’s no need to operate in absolutes.

 

[CannonStreak]

it’s fine. Don’t worry about it

If you wish to exit the thread, just do so. Don’t worry about being “banned” from the thread shall you decide to not participate, that’s completely your choice and I doubt anyone here would be mad at you for taking some time away from the Geno thread. It is completely fine. I have done it myself multiple times this year.

Just try not to stir the pot between us and the newcomer thread, that’s all we ask. Aside from that, you’re welcome to be here when you want to, and you’re also welcome to leave the thread when you want to. There’s no need to operate in absolutes.

I actually talked to one other user who comes here about the Geno thread. Well, I think I shall come back. Just hope no one minds this. I mean, I feel many don't, but some may, if fewer.

 

[Paraspikey]

I actually talked to one other user who comes here about the Geno thread. Well, I think I shall come back. Just hope no one minds this. I mean, I feel many don't, but some may, if fewer.

You're fine in my book, the day of the event I was already on edge, so I was easy to snap, and I apologize to that.

 

[ForsakenM]

sarcastic post that suggests Neku is possible

Yeah, no. That makes no sense at all. Obviously, not impossible, but that makes no sense.

First off, here you are again pushing this 'New Game On Switch = Character In Smash' illogical argument again that I may have to just post the meme I made before I finish the video it was made for about all the illogical Smash statements. Remember that this has failed more than it has succeeded, ESPECIALLY since Sakurai favors legacy and fan demand as has been proven with the majority of the newcomers for Ultimate. Monster Hunter Rise didn't get a character, Crash 4 didn't get a character, Origami King didn't get a character, Astral Chain didn't get a character...the list goes on and on and ON to the point where anytime someone brings up a new title in a franchise being announced they mocking suggest that now people will say they are getting a character in Smash because they know how predictable people can be.

Second, look at all the promotion TWEWY is getting right now. This is CLEARLY promotion for a new entry in the series, not getting a character into Ultimate. Had there been evidence of it happening, we would have found it already, and as Fatmanonice just suggested as I'm typing this Smash likes to keep their reveals a secret as much as possible and having Nomura parade around for TWEWY essentially suggests that it isn't Smash related because otherwise he would have been told you stfu about it by The Big N.

Now you suggested that people have heavily requested Neku or a character from Bravely Default...but I don't really see that to be the case, and even if it WAS the case, they are overshadowed in demand for other Square characters.

1. If you look at the Seven Squares leak, three of those names where from Dragon Quest (which in itself, in hindset, should have made it clear what we were getting but ya know). There other names where Crono (who is much less relevant than Neku, especially now), Sephiroth (a household name), Sora (another household name), and WOULDN'T YOU KNOW WHO THE LAST ONE WAS! This means that both Crono and our boi, characters from dead and irrelevant franchises, were on this list to be potentially real or actually leak bait but Neku wasn't considered as a name to be put on the list. I think that shows the lack of popularity and demand, but let's keep going.
   
   
2. In what is likely our most respectable poll for what the fans want and who they are thinking about, let me bring back that wonderful Mega Smash Ultimate Poll that I keep referencing a lot these days. Out of over 4k responses, Neku placed placed 73rd with 49 votes. Being in the Top 100 isn't shabby, but he was in the lower end of that and 49 votes is pretty low when you consider that 33 votes was the cutoff for being in the Top 100. In contrast, let's look at some other Square characters in that poll:
   
   Sephiroth got 79th place with 45 votes, which puts him in essentially the same wavelength of true demand as Neku, which could be a good sign for him...right? I mean, doing better than every other Final Fantasy character has to mean something, right? Or is it that the one character everyone really wanted is already playable... Oh boy...
   
   Sora got 4th place with 774 votes, but he's a household name so that really doesn't count, right?
   
   2B got 17th place with 327 votes, but it's only because she's sexy and her most recent game in a dead franchise was successful, right?
   
   Lara Croft got 35th place with 148 votes, but she's still a bit of a household name, right?
   
   Crono got 48th place with 95 votes...oh, that really starts to say a lot about Neku's popularity in terms of Smash now, doesn't it?
   
   And I'm pretty sure I don't have to remind you where our boy got in that poll.
   
   Now, to cross-reference this, in 2019 SourceGaming did a poll much like this, but it was before Hero and Banjo's reveal. Neku placed higher than Crono in there, but still fell way short of our boi, and this was an era where people wanted anything but Erdrick to be true so it was likely that both Neku and Crono's votes could have been inflated due to this. Add in that our 2020 poll had over 1k more voters in a post-DQ Crew era and suddenly he falls out of the Top 50 and barely makes the Top 100? Yeah, not seeing a real argument for his popularity here.
   
   
3. Pure observance of speculation around you should be proof enough that no one is seriously considering Neku. People still bring up Sora despite all the stuff going against him, and quite regularly on social media outside of our little thread here. Crono pops up now and again, and some people will occasionally pipe up with how Sephiroth would be cool but honestly it's almost unanimous that FF got the one rep we all wanted so no one REALLY cares about more of them to a large extent. Ya boi has been discussed to the point where people get brick-throwing-tantrum mad just at seeing people bring up his name, let alone if you think he's happening or not...and yet, I see Neku pop up even less than Crono in talks and Bravely Default only comes up from people with your pessimistic mindset that Nintendo needs to shill and that they don't care about fans anymore.
   

As for this evidence of Geno melting away, I personally don't see what evidence is melting or how, so this once again seems like just your negative, pessimistic bias coming into play. We have so much evidence, much of which I mentioned already in a recent post, that still stands tall to this day. For a short recap:

• Smash Ultimate and the Case Of Geno's Missing Costume.
• SMRPG Rights Negotiation for Base Game Ultimate, and What That Means For You!
• Delayed and Doubted, But Infallible: A Documentary on the Infamous CacoMallow Leak.
• Don't Worry, Geno! Daddy Sakurai Still Loves You!
• Much More Than Three Wishes: An Insight On Smash Ultimate and It's Newcomer Roster.
• Relevancy Is Irrelevant! Director Masahiro Sakurai Speaks Out!

Maybe you should stop being so downtrodden about leakers and about waiting for Geno and assuming Nintendo is just evil or stupid? Seriously, all the evidence says otherwise, and it seems like you are one of the few suffering from saying otherwise. Do whatever you will, of course, but you really seem way off base on this one.

 

[CannonStreak]

You're fine in my book, the day of the event I was already on edge, so I was easy to snap, and I apologize to that.

Thanks. I do appreciate that, very much.

 

[Paraspikey]

Wouldn’t the Seven Squares leak hypothetically only apply to Pass 1? We’re in Pass 2, so...

Nope, memo's don't work like that, they don't create a brand new memo when they're asked for another character, they would pick based off of the ones already discussed.

 

[Enigma735]

New PapaGenos video!

 

[CannonStreak]

New PapaGenos video!

Oh boy! In terms of Capcom characters, I wonder who could make it in?

On topic: What enemy from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars which was created by Square would you want in a Mario game?

For me? Maybe this guy...

EDIT: This guy, too.

 

[TriggerX]

At least like I pointed out, Neku would be a very unique character and he would please a pretty chill group of people. I'm very aware that [new game] != Smash, but it feels like a lot of users here just close their eyes and pretend that it's always going to be that way because 141 thousand posts in a thread on Smashboards.com has swayed the hearts of the suits at Nintendo and Square, and they'll happily throw the opportunity to promote their relevant franchises and struggling niche titles aside to give us a 24 year old Mario RPG side character. We can never lose sight of the fact that we're basically asking Nintendo to add Koops or ****ing Goombario to Smash, except in this situation a third party owns Ms. Mowz and they'll have to pay to get her back.

Lol ofcourse there will be bias in a character thread and some people may not want to consider that Geno has more competition, but I agree on your assessment of Neku's chances. Cant say Neku was ever at the top of my list, but I wouldn't mind the surprise over Geno. I'm open to it. He's also one of the very few square characters to really be a Nintendo exclusive(minus his cameos in KHDDD for the ps/xb collections.)

Cant even really say the series is dead either. As you mentioned earlier they have an anime coming out. received rereleases and ports. Plus cameos in the KH series.

If anything pushing TWEWY means more sales for Square/Nintendo.Nintendo does get some kind of royalty/comission even off 3rd party titles on their platform. Considering TWEWY 2 would end up being a switch exclusive, Nintendo does have some kind of vested interest in seeing it sell well.

Ofcourse Geno would also have the same/ if not more of an advantage here if SMRPG 2/Remake were confirmed to be a thing.

If fan popularity were the deciding factor, I would give it to Geno although he is from a completely dead series. Unfortunately my only reservations regarding Geno as a playable character is how Nintendo has handled all mii costumes thus far.

Overall Neku would be a curveball for sure in my opinion, but definitely not impossible. I could see him as a pick similar to Joker.

 

[Mr. Peepee]

Definitely Culex. He's so out of place in the Mario universe it's pretty funny. I would love to see him as an unlockable hard boss in mainline Mario games for a needed challenge.

Oh boy! In terms of Capcom characters, I wonder who could make it in?

On topic: What enemy from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars which was created by Square would you want in a Mario game?

For me? Maybe this guy...

EDIT: This guy, too.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

Oh boy! In terms of Capcom characters, I wonder who could make it in?

On topic: What enemy from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars which was created by Square would you want in a Mario game?

For me? Maybe this guy...

EDIT: This guy, too.

I’m really partial to this guy:

Super Mario RPG has so many awesome enemy designs, it’s a shame they were never really used again. I’m sure a handful of them showed up in some of the other Mario spinoff RPG games, but they never brought them all back sadly (Probably because of licensing).
Maybe a SMRPG 2 could solve this dilemma...

 

[CannonStreak]

I’m really partial to this guy:
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Super Mario RPG has so many awesome enemy designs, it’s a shame they were never really used again. I’m sure a handful of them showed up in some of the other Mario spinoff RPG games, but they never brought them all back sadly (Probably because of licensing).

Agreed.

And oh yeah! That enemy you showed just now would be awesome to see in a Mario game!

 

[Mr. Peepee]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they did bring this guy back in Paper Mario 64. But yeah, it's kind of sad that these enemy designs were never used again.

I’m really partial to this guy:
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Super Mario RPG has so many awesome enemy designs, it’s a shame they were never really used again. I’m sure a handful of them showed up in some of the other Mario spinoff RPG games, but they never brought them all back sadly (Probably because of licensing).
Maybe a SMRPG 2 could solve this dilemma...

 

[CannonStreak]

You know, if any of the Square enemies from Super Mario RPG came back, it would be interesting to see how Mario would handle the bigger ones, like that giant crab enemy.

 

[Enigma735]

On topic: What enemy from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars which was created by Square would you want in a Mario game?

For me? Maybe this guy...

EDIT: This guy, too.

Obviously Geno, but I would also love to see anyone from SMRPG. Mallow, Smithy, Boshi, Booster and the Axem Rangers are the big ones though [excluding Geno].

 

[CannonStreak]

Obviously Geno, but I would also love to see anyone from SMRPG. Mallow, Smithy, Boshi and the Axem Rangers are the big ones though [excluding Geno].

Was Geno an enemy? Forgive me, but I believe I said enemies from Super Mario RPG, not any of the main characters.

If we wanna go bosses, though, aside from Culex, what about Belome? That four eyed monster?

 

[MattX20]

Was Geno an enemy? Forgive me, but I believe I said enemies from Super Mario RPG, not any of the main characters.

If we wanna go bosses, though, aside from Culex, what about Belome? That four eyed monster?

The Fake Genos Belome made were yes

 

[Musubi]

You know, if any of the Square enemies from Super Mario RPG came back, it would be interesting to see how Mario would handle the bigger ones, like that giant crab enemy.

Wow I think I've been looking at the enemy wrong my entire life because I've never seen the 3D render. I always thought those front two yellow and black spikes were eyes. Are the actual eyes those yellow things in the mouth (if that even is mouth) or are they the small gray nubs on the white area?

 

[CannonStreak]

Wow I think I've been looking at the enemy wrong my entire life because I've never seen the 3D render. I always thought those front two yellow and black spikes were eyes. Are the actual eyes those yellow things in the mouth (if that even is mouth) or are they the small gray nubs on the white area?

Odd. I thought the same thing too.

The Fake Genos Belome made were yes

Well, there is that, so yeah.

Man, I missed this thread!

 

[Enigma735]

Was Geno an enemy? Forgive me, but I believe I said enemies from Super Mario RPG, not any of the main characters.

If we wanna go bosses, though, aside from Culex, what about Belome? That four eyed monster?

Oh lol my bad.

I already brought up Booster who is an optional boss, as well as Smithy and the Axem Rangers, but I guess I'd also love to see Culex and Bowyer return as well.

As for generic enemies, I would love to see Enigma return mostly because of my username lol.

 

[MisterMike]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they did bring this guy back in Paper Mario 64. But yeah, it's kind of sad that these enemy designs were never used again.

Yeah, and according to Super Mario Wiki they kept those hooded guys around even up to Super Paper Mario.

 

[Fatmanonice]

CannonStreak One thing you have to realize about the Geno fanbase is that this is a cross between a kitchen and a pirate ship. There are days where we genuinely hate each other for one reason or another but, when the chips are down, we support each other when it counts. This place is hardly a "hive mind" and why personalities clash ALL. THE. TIME. I have gotten into it with almost every single regular in this thread at one point or another. If you're ever worked in, for example, a professional kitchen, that's simply how it is.

One of my favorite stories I like to tell from my high school years: worked at a Greek restaurant where like 3/4's of the staff either had a criminal record or knew maybe about 100 words of English. My boss was a 5'4 balding Greek man who had a Jersey accent thicker than his grandma's homemade galaktoboureko. Looks like a mix between Gomez Addams and Danny Devito. One day as a buss boy I accidentally drop like 5 or 6 clean dinner plates right in front of him. Embarrassed, I clean it up. Come back later and he asks me over to the bar. "Come 'ere, I wanna tell ya somethin'." Lean in and the sonavubitch breaks a dinner plate over my head. I see stars and I'm too stunned to say anything. He looks at me as if I was a dog that **** on the carpet and says "don't ever do that again" and goes back to drinking his Perrier.

The shift goes on and, obviously, I'm nervous to be around him. The night ends and he calls me back over to him at the bar to collect my tip money. He gets up, sidehugs me while telling the waiting staff the story and laughing about it, and then looks me dead in the eye as if I was his own son and says "donworryboutit; you're one of us now." After that day, I saw plenty of other confrontations. Plates being thrown, trashcans kicked over, literal screaming matches where someone would storm out of the restaurant. Hell, one time my boss literally strangled one of the assistant managers until he fell to his knees because he a made a several thousand dollar mistake on a major catering event and they still shared a drink at the bar at the end of the night. Like I said, there was sometimes nights when people practically tried to kill each other but most of the staff still came in on their days off and everybody attended the annual Christmas party (the free ouzo, saganaki, baklava, and prime rib was also a big motivator though).

The point I'm trying to make is that this a fanbase of big personalities and big opinions. There's some days I could push kick some of you into the gaping maw of Hell for a nickel and a half a stick of gum and I take a small comfort in knowing the feeling is probably vice versa somedays. We argue and we get on each other's nerves but the comraderie is unmistakable. That's just how it is. Yes, there will be days where people will be mad at you but you have to mess up pretty bad to be totally "kicked out" and we've honestly done that to maybe three people in 2 1/2 years. To be honest, this isn't the first time this has happened but you're always welcomed back. You haven't pulled anything Sabi cancel worthy so you're still "one of us" even on days when it doesn't feel like it or it feels like everyone is against you. That's just how it is here: one day you get thrown out a window and the next you're working with us to decide the color of the curtains. Don't take it too personally. I know it's "a bit much" for some people but if you can handle it, this is a great fanbase to be a part of and we're glad you're part of it.

 

[Deleted member]

I’m really partial to this guy:
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Super Mario RPG has so many awesome enemy designs, it’s a shame they were never really used again. I’m sure a handful of them showed up in some of the other Mario spinoff RPG games, but they never brought them all back sadly (Probably because of licensing).
Maybe a SMRPG 2 could solve this dilemma...

Good thing he showed up for three Paper Mario games.

Lol ofcourse there will be bias in a character thread and some people may not want to consider that Geno has more competition

There was a time that bringing up the possibilities of competing characters would give birth to discussion, maybe some proof that they wouldn't be happening after hours or maybe even days of research into the subject. Even if the proof was shaky, it existed. This thread... Maybe even this community has unfortunately devolved to "I do not want to hear of the potential for failure so I will resort to straw man or ad-hominem instead". I think that's what upsets me more than the countless attacks I've had to put up with (not necessarily here) - the lively, facts-based soul of this community has seemingly been replaced with militant fanaticism.

but I agree on your assessment of Neku's chances. Cant say Neku was ever at the top of my list, but I wouldn't mind the surprise over Geno. I'm open to it. He's also one of the very few square characters to really be a Nintendo exclusive(minus his cameos in KHDDD for the ps/xb collections.)

Cant even really say the series is dead either. As you mentioned earlier they have an anime coming out. received rereleases and ports. Plus cameos in the KH series.

If anything pushing TWEWY means more sales for Square/Nintendo.Nintendo does get some kind of royalty/comission even off 3rd party titles on their platform. Considering TWEWY 2 would end up being a switch exclusive, Nintendo does have some kind of vested interest in seeing it sell well.

Ofcourse Geno would also have the same/ if not more of an advantage here if SMRPG 2/Remake were confirmed to be a thing.

If fan popularity were the deciding factor, I would give it to Geno although he is from a completely dead series. Unfortunately my only reservations regarding Geno as a playable character is how Nintendo has handled all mii costumes thus far.

Overall Neku would be a curveball for sure in my opinion, but definitely not impossible. I could see him as a pick similar to Joker.

Obviously I would not be very happy with that "surprise" over Geno, but I acknowledge it as possible. I don't understand how what I'm saying about TWEWY/Neku implies that when this countdown ends, we're getting Neku in Smash. It's very likely for TWEWY 2 or some kind of spinoff... But that doesn't mean that the future doesn't hold Neku in Smash. Of course I don't think that Nomura is teasing a Smash announcement, why would I?

Why is it that when I go out of my way in one post to say that I know that [New Game != Smash], I'm ignoring the fact that new game doesn't mean Smash representation? There's not even a guarantee that Neku is going to be the main character in a potential TWEWY 2 or a spinoff, that doesn't make him less likely for Smash, and it breaks the idea that this is [new game] related, as it would just be a legacy character from a franchise that now has an entry coming up. I'm not even touting Neku or even a Square character as 8. This pass has a deadline of over a year from now, people.

You'd think I'm doing something objectionable to bring up fact that we're watching mii costumes return one after another, that Nintendo wouldn't so obviously leave Lloyd and Geno out without at least one ending up back in costume land, that they made Isaacchads wait until the very last minute to give us that ugly ass assist trophy, same with Shadow fans, that they didn't even name drop Ashley when they showed her assist trophy off, that they even made Skull Kid fans wonder once again until the very last minute. We can very easily be in the same boat and no amount of kicking me around for pointing it out in as civil a way as I can manage is going to change the future if it's already set in stone to be that way.

 

[CannonStreak]

CannonStreak One thing you have to realize about the Geno fanbase is that this is a cross between a kitchen and a pirate ship. There are days where we genuinely hate each other for one reason or another but, when the chips are down, we support each other when it counts. This place is hardly and why personalities clash ALL. THE. TIME. I have gotten into it with almost every single regular in this thread at one point or another. If you're ever worked in, for example, a professional kitchen, that's simply how it is.

One of my favorite stories I like to tell from my high school years: worked at a Greek restaurant where like 3/4's of the staff either had a criminal record or knew maybe about 100 words of English. My boss was a 5'4 balding Greek man who had a Jersey accent thicker than his grandma's homemade galaktoboureko. Looks like a mix between Gomez Addams and Danny Devito. One day as a buss boy I accidentally drop like 5 or 6 clean dinner plates right in front of him. Embarrassed, I clean it up. Come back later and he asks me over to the bar. "Come 'ere, I wanna tell ya somethin'." Lean in and the sonavubitch breaks a dinner plate over my head. I see stars and I'm too stunned to say anything. He looks at me as if I was a dog that **** on the carpet and says "don't ever do that again" and goes back to drinking his Perrier.

The shift goes on and, obviously, I'm nervous to be around him. The night ends and he calls me back over to him at the bar to collect my tip money. He gets up, sidehugs me while telling the waiting staff the story and laughing about it, and then looks me dead in the eye as if I was his own son and says "donworryboutit; you're one of us now." After that day, I saw plenty of other confrontations. Plates being thrown, trashcans kicked over, literal screaming matches where someone would storm out of the restaurant. Hell, one time my boss literally strangled one of the assistant managers until he fell to his knees because he a made a several thousand dollar mistake on a major catering event and they still shared a drink at the bar at the end of the night. Like I said, there was sometimes nights when people practically tried to kill each other but most of the staff still came in on their days off and everybody attended the annual Christmas party (the free ouzo, saganaki, baklava, and prime rib was also a big motivator though).

The point I'm trying to make is that this a fanbase of big personalities and big opinions. There's some days I could push kick some of you into the gaping maw of Hell for a nickel and a half a stick of gum and I take a small comfort in knowing the feeling is probably vice versa somedays. We argue and we get on each other's nerves but the comraderie is unmistakable. That's just how it is. Yes, there will be days where people will be mad at you but you have to mess up pretty bad to be totally "kicked out" and we've honestly done that to maybe three people in 2 1/2 years. To be honest, this isn't the first time this has happened but you're always welcomed back. You haven't pulled anything Sabi cancel worthy so you're still "one of us" even on days when it doesn't feel like it or it feels like everyone is against you. That's just how it is here: one day you get thrown out a window and the next you're working with us to decide the color of the curtains. Don't take it too personally. I know it's "a bit much" for some people but if you can handle it, this is a great fanbase to be a part of and we're glad you're part of it.

Thanks for that, man. I already understand that already, and probably understand it more thanks to your post here.

EDIT: And wow, that boss of yours you talked about was such a big jerk.

 

[ForsakenM]

Good thing he showed up for three Paper Mario games.


There was a time that bringing up the possibilities of competing characters would give birth to discussion, maybe some proof that they wouldn't be happening after hours or maybe even days of research into the subject. Even if the proof was shaky, it existed. This thread... Maybe even this community has unfortunately devolved to "I do not want to hear of the potential for failure so I will resort to straw man or ad-hominem instead". I think that's what upsets me more than the countless attacks I've had to put up with (not necessarily here) - the lively, facts-based soul of this community has seemingly been replaced with militant fanaticism.


Obviously I would not be very happy with that "surprise" over Geno, but I acknowledge it as possible. I don't understand how what I'm saying about TWEWY/Neku implies that when this countdown ends, we're getting Neku in Smash. It's very likely for TWEWY 2 or some kind of spinoff... But that doesn't mean that the future doesn't hold Neku in Smash. Of course I don't think that Nomura is teasing a Smash announcement, why would I?

Why is it that when I go out of my way in one post to say that I know that [New Game != Smash], I'm ignoring the fact that new game doesn't mean Smash representation? There's not even a guarantee that Neku is going to be the main character in a potential TWEWY 2 or a spinoff, that doesn't make him less likely for Smash, and it breaks the idea that this is [new game] related, as it would just be a legacy character from a franchise that now has an entry coming up. I'm not even touting Neku or even a Square character as 8. This pass has a deadline of over a year from now, people.

You'd think I'm doing something objectionable to bring up fact that we're watching mii costumes return one after another, that Nintendo wouldn't so obviously leave Lloyd and Geno out without at least one ending up back in costume land, that they made Isaacchads wait until the very last minute to give us that ugly ass assist trophy, same with Shadow fans, that they didn't even name drop Ashley when they showed her assist trophy off, that they even made Skull Kid fans wonder once again until the very last minute. We can very easily be in the same boat and no amount of kicking me around for pointing it out in as civil a way as I can manage is going to change the future if it's already set in stone to be that way.

It's less about being in denial and insulting you and more that your takes are blinded by your negative bias.

You look at all the good things in Geno's favor and somehow come to the conclusion that it's gotta be someone else. It almost feels like you are living in a false reality.

It's fine if you aren't as confident in Geno's chances, but some of the things you say with this mindset are incorrect, and I'm not afraid to call them out.

You know, like saying Neku suddenly has a good chance to get in over Geno, or that Neku is a very popular choice when all the data says he really isn't.

 

[CannonStreak]

One the topic of enemies in Mario games, maybe just one more thing...what about Corkpedite...

And Stumpet?

They both look cool.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

With Nintendo its always worth noting that their instincts and sense of what an ideal time for reveals will often differ from that of Smash fans. They capped off the base game characters with Ken/Incineroar and waited a very long time to bring the Heihachi costume back. I'd love to tell both Geno and LLoyd fans that there's no way they'd hold off on bringing back their costumes if they weren't going to do something notable with them... but experience has taught me otherwise and I myself have readied for the possibility that yes, those both might just come back arbitrarily.

Sensing patterns and guessing at reasons for why companies make decisions definitely has its value, but I'd advise anyone not to fall too deeply into the trap of assuming that Nintendo and/or Sakurai must have significant reasons for doing or not doing something. They are after all fallible entities and the thinking that fans would happy at a Geno Mii costume coming back at all and not quite realizing the disappointment many would have that at is entirely within their wheelhouse.

 

[ForsakenM]

So CannonStreak I'm afraid I have a not as friendly take on this situation.

Now, let me make it clear: if you are a Geno fan, or you truly want Geno in Smash, then I think you should be welcome here. That is the whole point of this thread.

However, there has been this wave recently of people being dismayed at the fact that Geno fans can be confident in Geno's chances, and it boggles my mind with all the evidence we have and over all this time we are getting a surge of this pessimism in regards to Geno specifically. Suddenly, we have to reject everything, question everything, challenge everything when there really isn't anything to challenge. I don't think I've seen Geno fans this universally positive in a long time and suddenly this thread was bearable to be in again, and yet NOW is when we flood the thread with doubt, drama and pessimism?

Why can't anyone, including Geno fans, allow Geno fans to just be happy? Is there some unwritten law?

Also, I read that apology of yours, and the air it gives off is a 'I was wrong, so were you, let's make up' vibe, but from what I gathered it was literally just you who was in the wrong. YOU made a big deal about Geno fans being positive, YOU made it seem like we worship Fatmanonice and papagenos when in reality some of us just like them a lot, and YOU were the one who used an image that didn't have your Geno Hats on it (what an OUTRAGE!, XD) and said you were leaving the thread and the proceeded to **** talk about us in the Newcomer Thread.

That, and you went after our boy QQS , you know, the guy who never does anything but share cool SMRPG art and is constantly positive on Geno? Literally the shining son of this group who could do no wrong and you go after HIM out of any of us? Like if you went after me, enough people here hate me that they probably would have been on your side, no joke. BUT QQS? That was a royal screw up.

And here is a fun fact: this isn't the only time you've done this. You are a repeat offender on this act, and the act is old and boring. It's hard to take you sincerely when you screw up that many times, so I really doubt that you won't do something like this again, in fact if enough time passes without Geno's confirmation I expect you to do this again, and that isn't my fault at all because it's based on your own actions.

I wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't the only one who feels this way either, but doesn't want to say anything to not look mean or rude. Fortunately, I'm not afraid to call people out. So let me stress this one last time.

This. Is. All. On You.

And I think you need to accept that fact, and realize that what you have done more than once now, and also look at how willingly most of us have accepted your return in spite of it all. Maybe then you will realize what positivity really is and what it does for people. This isn't to say I hate you or don't forgive you, but rather that you will now have to prove yourself to me and others that you won't do something like this again.

Of course, you are always welcome to talk Geno and SMRPG here, as is most anyone else.

By the way, what you did was pretty cringe, so you may lose some subscribers. Just a fair warning.

 

[CannonStreak]

So CannonStreak I'm afraid I have a not as friendly take on this situation.

Now, let me make it clear: if you are a Geno fan, or you truly want Geno in Smash, then I think you should be welcome here. That is the whole point of this thread.

However, there has been this wave recently of people being dismayed at the fact that Geno fans can be confident in Geno's chances, and it boggles my mind with all the evidence we have and over all this time we are getting a surge of this pessimism in regards to Geno specifically. Suddenly, we have to reject everything, question everything, challenge everything when there really isn't anything to challenge. I don't think I've seen Geno fans this universally positive in a long time and suddenly this thread was bearable to be in again, and yet NOW is when we flood the thread with doubt, drama and pessimism?

Why can't anyone, including Geno fans, allow Geno fans to just be happy? Is there some unwritten law?

Also, I read that apology of yours, and the air it gives off is a 'I was wrong, so were you, let's make up' vibe, but from what I gathered it was literally just you who was in the wrong. YOU made a big deal about Geno fans being positive, YOU made it seem like we worship Fatmanonice and papagenos when in reality some of us just like them a lot, and YOU were the one who used an image that didn't have your Geno Hats on it (what an OUTRAGE!, XD) and said you were leaving the thread and the proceeded to **** talk about us in the Newcomer Thread.

That, and you went after our boy QQS , you know, the guy who never does anything but share cool SMRPG art and is constantly positive on Geno? Literally the shining son of this group who could do no wrong and you go after HIM out of any of us? Like if you went after me, enough people here hate me that they probably would have been on your side, no joke. BUT QQS? That was a royal screw up.

And here is a fun fact: this isn't the only time you've done this. You are a repeat offender on this act, and the act is old and boring. It's hard to take you sincerely when you screw up that many times, so I really doubt that you won't do something like this again, in fact if enough time passes without Geno's confirmation I expect you to do this again, and that isn't my fault at all because it's based on your own actions.

I wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't the only one who feels this way either, but doesn't want to say anything to not look mean or rude. Fortunately, I'm not afraid to call people out. So let me stress this one last time.

This. Is. All. On You.

And I think you need to accept that fact, and realize that what you have done more than once now, and also look at how willingly most of us have accepted your return in spite of it all. Maybe then you will realize what positivity really is and what it does for people. This isn't to say I hate you or don't forgive you, but rather that you will now have to prove yourself to me and others that you won't do something like this again.

Of course, you are always welcome to talk Geno and SMRPG here, as in most anyone else.

By the way, what you did was pretty cringe, so you may lose some subscribers. Just a fair warning.

Maybe you did not read it correctly. I wasn't blaming anyone else. I was already holding myself responsible, despite what I may have said that could have implied otherwise. I don't think this was interpreted well by you. But I kinda figured you might.

Anyway, please don't assume things. I meant well.

EDIT: And like I said, I made up with QQS by PM. My reasons for being annoyed at him were not as you may think.

 

[QQS]

So CannonStreak I'm afraid I have a not as friendly take on this situation.

Now, let me make it clear: if you are a Geno fan, or you truly want Geno in Smash, then I think you should be welcome here. That is the whole point of this thread.

However, there has been this wave recently of people being dismayed at the fact that Geno fans can be confident in Geno's chances, and it boggles my mind with all the evidence we have and over all this time we are getting a surge of this pessimism in regards to Geno specifically. Suddenly, we have to reject everything, question everything, challenge everything when there really isn't anything to challenge. I don't think I've seen Geno fans this universally positive in a long time and suddenly this thread was bearable to be in again, and yet NOW is when we flood the thread with doubt, drama and pessimism?

Why can't anyone, including Geno fans, allow Geno fans to just be happy? Is there some unwritten law?

Also, I read that apology of yours, and the air it gives off is a 'I was wrong, so were you, let's make up' vibe, but from what I gathered it was literally just you who was in the wrong. YOU made a big deal about Geno fans being positive, YOU made it seem like we worship Fatmanonice and papagenos when in reality some of us just like them a lot, and YOU were the one who used an image that didn't have your Geno Hats on it (what an OUTRAGE!, XD) and said you were leaving the thread and the proceeded to **** talk about us in the Newcomer Thread.

That, and you went after our boy QQS , you know, the guy who never does anything but share cool SMRPG art and is constantly positive on Geno? Literally the shining son of this group who could do no wrong and you go after HIM out of any of us? Like if you went after me, enough people here hate me that they probably would have been on your side, no joke. BUT QQS? That was a royal screw up.

And here is a fun fact: this isn't the only time you've done this. You are a repeat offender on this act, and the act is old and boring. It's hard to take you sincerely when you screw up that many times, so I really doubt that you won't do something like this again, in fact if enough time passes without Geno's confirmation I expect you to do this again, and that isn't my fault at all because it's based on your own actions.

I wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't the only one who feels this way either, but doesn't want to say anything to not look mean or rude. Fortunately, I'm not afraid to call people out. So let me stress this one last time.

This. Is. All. On You.

And I think you need to accept that fact, and realize that what you have done more than once now, and also look at how willingly most of us have accepted your return in spite of it all. Maybe then you will realize what positivity really is and what it does for people. This isn't to say I hate you or don't forgive you, but rather that you will now have to prove yourself to me and others that you won't do something like this again.

Of course, you are always welcome to talk Geno and SMRPG here, as is most anyone else.

By the way, what you did was pretty cringe, so you may lose some subscribers. Just a fair warning.

Thanks buddy I appreciate it.

May Geno shines soon. He will.

 

[CannonStreak]

Thanks buddy I appreciate it.

May Geno shines soon. He will.

You're not still mad at me, are you?

 

[QQS]

You're not still mad at me, are you?

I have never went mad about anyone here, man. No offenses taken here. Let’s keep as a group and pray for what should gather us: the invitation Letter of Geno!

 

[CannonStreak]

I have never went mad about anyone here, man. No offenses taken here. Let’s keep as a group and pray for what should gather us: the invitation Letter of Geno!

Nods Let's do it!

So, here is a little joke for you all.

Why did Geno descend from above?

Take a guess.

Enigma735 I told you this through PM, so please don't spoil it.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

Good thing he showed up for three Paper Mario games.

Well ACKSHUALLY, those were specific characters like Merlon and Merlow. I was more or less referring to the generic enemy type from SMRPG.

i’m splitting hairs just to be coy though. It’s ironic that I was soapboxing about wanting enemies from SMRPG to appear again, when my favorite enemy type from SMRPG was actually used in some form in other Mario RPGs lol

 

[Droodle]

Yeah, no. That makes no sense at all. Obviously, not impossible, but that makes no sense.

First off, here you are again pushing this 'New Game On Switch = Character In Smash' illogical argument again that I may have to just post the meme I made before I finish the video it was made for about all the illogical Smash statements. Remember that this has failed more than it has succeeded, ESPECIALLY since Sakurai favors legacy and fan demand as has been proven with the majority of the newcomers for Ultimate. Monster Hunter Rise didn't get a character, Crash 4 didn't get a character, Origami King didn't get a character, Astral Chain didn't get a character...the list goes on and on and ON to the point where anytime someone brings up a new title in a franchise being announced they mocking suggest that now people will say they are getting a character in Smash because they know how predictable people can be.

Second, look at all the promotion TWEWY is getting right now. This is CLEARLY promotion for a new entry in the series, not getting a character into Ultimate. Had there been evidence of it happening, we would have found it already, and as Fatmanonice just suggested as I'm typing this Smash likes to keep their reveals a secret as much as possible and having Nomura parade around for TWEWY essentially suggests that it isn't Smash related because otherwise he would have been told you stfu about it by The Big N.

Now you suggested that people have heavily requested Neku or a character from Bravely Default...but I don't really see that to be the case, and even if it WAS the case, they are overshadowed in demand for other Square characters.

1. If you look at the Seven Squares leak, three of those names where from Dragon Quest (which in itself, in hindset, should have made it clear what we were getting but ya know). There other names where Crono (who is much less relevant than Neku, especially now), Sephiroth (a household name), Sora (another household name), and WOULDN'T YOU KNOW WHO THE LAST ONE WAS! This means that both Crono and our boi, characters from dead and irrelevant franchises, were on this list to be potentially real or actually leak bait but Neku wasn't considered as a name to be put on the list. I think that shows the lack of popularity and demand, but let's keep going.
   
   
2. In what is likely our most respectable poll for what the fans want and who they are thinking about, let me bring back that wonderful Mega Smash Ultimate Poll that I keep referencing a lot these days. Out of over 4k responses, Neku placed placed 73rd with 49 votes. Being in the Top 100 isn't shabby, but he was in the lower end of that and 49 votes is pretty low when you consider that 33 votes was the cutoff for being in the Top 100. In contrast, let's look at some other Square characters in that poll:
   
   Sephiroth got 79th place with 45 votes, which puts him in essentially the same wavelength of true demand as Neku, which could be a good sign for him...right? I mean, doing better than every other Final Fantasy character has to mean something, right? Or is it that the one character everyone really wanted is already playable... Oh boy...
   
   Sora got 4th place with 774 votes, but he's a household name so that really doesn't count, right?
   
   2B got 17th place with 327 votes, but it's only because she's sexy and her most recent game in a dead franchise was successful, right?
   
   Lara Croft got 35th place with 148 votes, but she's still a bit of a household name, right?
   
   Crono got 48th place with 95 votes...oh, that really starts to say a lot about Neku's popularity in terms of Smash now, doesn't it?
   
   And I'm pretty sure I don't have to remind you where our boy got in that poll.
   
   Now, to cross-reference this, in 2019 SourceGaming did a poll much like this, but it was before Hero and Banjo's reveal. Neku placed higher than Crono in there, but still fell way short of our boi, and this was an era where people wanted anything but Erdrick to be true so it was likely that both Neku and Crono's votes could have been inflated due to this. Add in that our 2020 poll had over 1k more voters in a post-DQ Crew era and suddenly he falls out of the Top 50 and barely makes the Top 100? Yeah, not seeing a real argument for his popularity here.
   
   
3. Pure observance of speculation around you should be proof enough that no one is seriously considering Neku. People still bring up Sora despite all the stuff going against him, and quite regularly on social media outside of our little thread here. Crono pops up now and again, and some people will occasionally pipe up with how Sephiroth would be cool but honestly it's almost unanimous that FF got the one rep we all wanted so no one REALLY cares about more of them to a large extent. Ya boi has been discussed to the point where people get brick-throwing-tantrum mad just at seeing people bring up his name, let alone if you think he's happening or not...and yet, I see Neku pop up even less than Crono in talks and Bravely Default only comes up from people with your pessimistic mindset that Nintendo needs to shill and that they don't care about fans anymore.

As for this evidence of Geno melting away, I personally don't see what evidence is melting or how, so this once again seems like just your negative, pessimistic bias coming into play. We have so much evidence, much of which I mentioned already in a recent post, that still stands tall to this day. For a short recap:

• Smash Ultimate and the Case Of Geno's Missing Costume.
• SMRPG Rights Negotiation for Base Game Ultimate, and What That Means For You!
• Delayed and Doubted, But Infallible: A Documentary on the Infamous CacoMallow Leak.
• Don't Worry, Geno! Daddy Sakurai Still Loves You!
• Much More Than Three Wishes: An Insight On Smash Ultimate and It's Newcomer Roster.
• Relevancy Is Irrelevant! Director Masahiro Sakurai Speaks Out!

Maybe you should stop being so downtrodden about leakers and about waiting for Geno and assuming Nintendo is just evil or stupid? Seriously, all the evidence says otherwise, and it seems like you are one of the few suffering from saying otherwise. Do whatever you will, of course, but you really seem way off base on this one.

I mean the post literally says that Neku is "possible" and you technically say it's possible too. So I don't really see what's so illogical about him making it in? I don't think he's going to be a character, but it's certainly possible and it wouldn't make any less sense than some picks that have already occured.

Besides most of your evidence is flawed anyways. It basically equates down to "he's not discussed a ton within the community, so he isn't happening".

• Joker, Terry, and Min Min (pre-ARMS reveal) were barely discussed before they were confirmed. Byleth was seen as a meme "haha... better not happen" pick by most of the community, and no one was really expecting him.
• Fan polls mean jack all in terms of who actually gets in, like it or not. I mean in the exact same polls, Terry placed at 100th, Byleth at 92nd, and Min Min at 200+ and 100+ (in 2020). So it's not like Neku does terribly compared to what we already got.
• No one knows the true significance of the "Seven Squares" list. And it makes 0 sense to relegate those as the "only" possible Square picks. You can definitely use it as evidence backing up Geno, but you can't really deny any other Square characters in FP 2 because of it.

And I agree NEW GAME = SMASH is a pretty stupid argument, but that's not what's being said here at all? All that is being said is that having a new game makes you more relevant and likely for Smash, which is a sentiment I feel that most people can agree on. TWEWY being active/relevant, only boosts it's chances for getting added.

You could probably make a list of things that Neku has going for him.

• TWEWY is getting a massive push from Square, a company that historically plays extremely safe for the most part.
• The likelihood of it playing a part in the future of KH is high considering the ending of 3 and the new rhythm game.
• Has a pretty solid Nintendo connection. They even helped publish Final Remix in the West, like DQ 11S.
• Both previous Square characters happened to be getting massive game pushes around the time they got added into Smash. Cloud with FF7R and Hero with DQ11S.
• If "the Disney declined Sora rumors for FP2" are true, then Neku is possibly the best KH-adjacent character that Sakurai could get. He's not owned by Disney, but there is a decent overlap between KH and TWEWY fans.

-Has loads of moveset potential for Smash.

I wouldn't say he has an amazing shot, but the TWEWY series is still in a pretty healthy position to be a dark-horse pick. I'd still say that Geno has a better shot though, but not by a ton.