Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Deleted member]

You guys don't deserve any of this and it's always the same group of fake Smash Bros fans that do this. The Joker/FE mains and fans.

My motivation to keep playing is to stomp every Joker/Weeb fan so hard in Smash Bros so hard to the point they are never gonna want to play/associate with Smash Bros ever again.

I'm gonna go galaxy brain on their barbie doll looking characters with all the so called cereal box mascots. lol

Persona 5 fans (NOT any Persona fans before that game) are the most toxic fanbase I have ever met. Every person that has a Joker profile picture or some resemblance has turned out to be a horrific person in some way or another. Not even joking with that.

Trust me when I say this, though: I don't think FE fans are at fault here. Persona 5 fans are RABID, to the point they'll send people death threats.

Videos like these illustrate that perfectly.

It must suck being a genuinely good person who happens to be a fan or maybe an active member of a community that seems to be full of vocally ****ty people. Hm.

Like uh...

 

[Noipoi]

No disrespect to anyone, but I find it very surprising people still want Geno in an era we get 3rd party fighters like Joker in smash.

He seems a bit of a relic of a bygone era. Don't want to say irrelevant as that's harsh, but he is someone younger fans certainly wouldn't know.

The same could’ve been said about

Before June last year.

 

[Spatulo]

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You guys are probably right though. I just hate it for anyone who feels unwelcomed or harassed for wanting Geno.

At some point, you guys deserve to have him no matter what anyone says.

Your pun is deeply appreciated

 

[MisterMike]

No disrespect to anyone, but I find it very surprising people still want Geno in an era we get 3rd party fighters like Joker in smash.

He seems a bit of a relic of a bygone era. Don't want to say irrelevant as that's harsh, but he is someone younger fans certainly wouldn't know.

That's the beauty of Smash: It doesn't matter how old or seemingly irrelevent a character is, if people want them in and are willing to make their voices heard, eventually they can get them in.

 

[Megadoomer]

No disrespect to anyone, but I find it very surprising people still want Geno in an era we get 3rd party fighters like Joker in smash.

He seems a bit of a relic of a bygone era. Don't want to say irrelevant as that's harsh, but he is someone younger fans certainly wouldn't know.

That same description could fit a ton of characters. (in terms of Smash Ultimate newcomers alone, there's Simon and Richter, Terry, K. Rool, Banjo, at least two of the four Dragon Quest heroes...)

K. Rool alone should have been a pretty clear indication that relevancy isn't big of a factor as people make it out to be.

 

[Antho]

Persona 5 fans (NOT any Persona fans before that game) are the most toxic fanbase I have ever met. Every person that has a Joker profile picture or some resemblance has turned out to be a horrific person in some way or another. Not even joking with that.

Trust me when I say this, though: I don't think FE fans are at fault here. Persona 5 fans are RABID, to the point they'll send people death threats.

Videos like these illustrate that perfectly.

The p5 fans that only learend about Joker from smash( basically the new fans) are the worst fans, the ones that knew about Persona already dont assosiate ourselves with them lol You should see p5 fans clown on the "fans" that send those stupid Calling cards on twitter


But leave your hate for FE out of your rants because we didnt do anything to you

May I just say that, Joker getting into Smash encouraged me to get into Persona? People really like to just clown on Persona 5 fans or "Persona fans that got into Persona because of Joker in Smash", and I'm sort of sick of it because that's also how I got into the series. Yeah, I know a bunch of people are horrible in the fanbase and that's mostly why I want nothing to do with it. And I'm someone who wanted King K. Rool and Banjo, not to mention Geno. This is an entirely different topic then Geno though, so let's leave it at that.

 

[Sigran101]

Persona 5 fans (NOT any Persona fans before that game) are the most toxic fanbase I have ever met. Every person that has a Joker profile picture or some resemblance has turned out to be a horrific person in some way or another. Not even joking with that.

Trust me when I say this, though: I don't think FE fans are at fault here. Persona 5 fans are RABID, to the point they'll send people death threats.

Videos like these illustrate that perfectly.

I'm a persona 5 fan and have a Persona 5 pfp. Am I a rabid toxic fanatic sending death threats? You're the one being toxic.

 

[GodzillaGuy64]

No disrespect to anyone, but I find it very surprising people still want Geno in an era we get 3rd party fighters like Joker in smash.

He seems a bit of a relic of a bygone era. Don't want to say irrelevant as that's harsh, but he is someone younger fans certainly wouldn't know.

I would like to show you a certain someone that was in the same boat last year:

 

[pinshadow]

Hey can we not say stupid generalizing garbage meant to dump on other fanbases right now? Thanks.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

May I just say that, Joker getting into Smash encouraged me to get into Persona? People really like to just clown on Persona 5 fans or "Persona fans that got into Persona because of Joker in Smash", and I'm sort of sick of it because that's also how I got into the series. Yeah, I know a bunch of people are horrible in the fanbase and that's mostly why I want nothing to do with it. And I'm someone who wanted King K. Rool and Banjo, not to mention Geno. This is an entirely different topic then Geno though, so let's leave it at that.

Thats true, my bad my dude, Guess I could of worded that better pff but yeah, There at good peeps that go into persona from Joker also. Hell, my sister might be one of them, I told her about P4 on steam and she said "I may just check it out"

 

[Sigran101]

It makes me absolutely sick that Geno fans of all people are spreading this type of toxicity. SSGuy people like you are why we get **** on. What do you think people are talking about when they call the Geno fanbase toxic? Exactly what you just posted.

 

[MattX20]

Let's not generalize any fans, okay? We all have characters we want or don't want, but let us not fight or be toxic about it.

 

[Lyncario]

No disrespect to anyone, but I find it very surprising people still want Geno in an era we get 3rd party fighters like Joker in smash.

He seems a bit of a relic of a bygone era. Don't want to say irrelevant as that's harsh, but he is someone younger fans certainly wouldn't know.

I kinda feel like the current Smash dlc is targeting slightly older, or at least more mature audience (th one with the money needed to buy it). Sure, Joker and Byleth are in the fighter pass, but both of their games are targeted more towards teenager or young adults, while Hero, Terry, and Banjo are all legacy characters who has older fanbases, with Banjo especialy being irrelevant for over 10 years. Min Min is the only execption, but then again she is very arguably a shill pick for Arms (something that Byleth also is for 3 Houses, not that it's a bad thing).

not gonna lie, i wasnt expecting Nocturne at all and seeing a streamer that loves loves loooooves SMT go wild over it and SMTV was great

I was not expecting a Nocturne remake or remaster until at least 2022, so to have it anounced now, and for 2021 hyped me up so much.

 

[SSGuy]

I feel like I opened up a hornet's nest and I do apologize if that is the case. I just despise the strawmen and just overall toxicity that others bring onto anyone who mentions they might like Geno. It's been going on for far too long at this point but it's whatever. It's best to just leave it as is and just stay nice to each other.

I still feel like with all the knowledge we have regarding the current state of Smash DLC, Geno has a pretty good shot. Not anything guaranteed, but I can at least say he has a chance and that's something over a year ago I did not think was even possible. I'll take those odds.

We'll just keep on going onto the next one.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

weird, my post was deleted...huh. Well anyway, guess all we can do is just wait for the next direct now

 

[Sigran101]

I feel like I opened up a hornet's nest and I do apologize if that is the case. I just despise the strawmen and just overall toxicity that others bring onto anyone who mentions they might like Geno. It's been going on for far too long at this point but it's whatever. It's best to just leave it as is and just stay nice to each other.

I still feel like with all the knowledge we have regarding the current state of Smash DLC, Geno has a pretty good shot. Not anything guaranteed, but I can at least say he has a chance and that's something over a year ago I did not think was even possible. I'll take those odds.

We'll just keep on going onto the next one.

Don't apologise for opening a hornests nest. Admit what you did wrong and apologize for being toxic. How can you possibly say this with a straight face? You're the one using strawmen and toxicity. Legitimately, this is why people hate Geno fans. Because people like you make the rest of us look bad.

 

[Icewolff92]

No disrespect to anyone, but I find it very surprising people still want Geno in an era we get 3rd party fighters like Joker in smash.

He seems a bit of a relic of a bygone era. Don't want to say irrelevant as that's harsh, but he is someone younger fans certainly wouldn't know.

And Banjo is someone that the younger audience would now? Or Simon/Richter Bellmont? Or King K? Just because character x is not "relevant" doesn´t mean that people can´t wish for said character to be in... Super Smash Brother is about celebrating videogames, not "here is what hot and new right now". Lord knows how the roster be then in comparison... It wouldn´t be Ultimate right now, that's for certain

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Banjo & Kazooie are a poor example. The franchise was being constantly used by Microsoft. As were the characters. SNK as a whole is as well, though less so on Terry. Simon and Richter weren't used, but Castlevania was completely relevant. K. Rool is a proper comparison to Geno, both inactive characters from a very active franchise. Key difference being one is 1st party and one is 3rd party respectively.

Relevancy isn't just about new games, but how active the product is. You can have an irrelevant character from a relevant product(like K. Rool, Simon, and Richter respectively). SNK and Terry were active at the time, so relevancy wasn't their issue. Banjo & Kazooie was fully used and advertised by Microsoft, so "relevancy" wasn't an issue remotely with that series. It was pretty damn relevant once they used it as a notable part of Rare Replay. There's a reason people want RR to hit the Switch, just for that game series. That's not a coincidence. It was so relevant that Sakurai outright advertised Xbox to play Banjo-Kazooie, since it was no longer on Nintendo systems. Those games blatantly played a role there, whether it was just a requirement of Sakurai to advertise it before they'd let Nintendo use the characters or it being an active product is a core reason they said yes.

Geno doesn't have an issue with getting in beyond Nintendo wanting him in(may or may not) and SE simply saying yes. These arbitrary "labels" don't mean much. Older characters, newer, it's pretty eh to worry about. Now them having a re-released game might actually be a bigger incentive, since Nintendo does pick characters related to promotional stuff from time to time. But not always.

 

[RingJ5]

I feel like I opened up a hornet's nest and I do apologize if that is the case. I just despise the strawmen and just overall toxicity that others bring onto anyone who mentions they might like Geno. It's been going on for far too long at this point but it's whatever. It's best to just leave it as is and just stay nice to each other.

I still feel like with all the knowledge we have regarding the current state of Smash DLC, Geno has a pretty good shot. Not anything guaranteed, but I can at least say he has a chance and that's something over a year ago I did not think was even possible. I'll take those odds.

We'll just keep on going onto the next one.

Again, just don’t blame specific fanbases, especially ones that already got their characters.

As evident over the last few weeks, we had some genuinely awful people on our side as well, but has that got us down? Absolutely not, so we shouldn’t be sending hate to other fanbases due to a few bad seeds.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

oh, question, what are peeps gonna talk about now that another leaker swore off Nintendo stuff?

 

[Polarthief]

DISCLAIMER: I'm bringing this up to DISPEL the doom and gloom some of you may get from discovering these tweets on your own.
NateDrake's been talking on Twitter and responding to people, and this one caught my eye:

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Have not.

— Direct-Feed Games (@DirectFeedGames) July 20, 2020

This does NOT mean "GENO ISN'T IN OMG SKY IS FALLING!", it just means Nate wasn't privy to that info, because it's under some crazy security. This is 100% neutral to Geno's chances. Don't lose hope, he's still in.

 

[Spatulo]

May I just say that, Joker getting into Smash encouraged me to get into Persona? People really like to just clown on Persona 5 fans or "Persona fans that got into Persona because of Joker in Smash", and I'm sort of sick of it because that's also how I got into the series. Yeah, I know a bunch of people are horrible in the fanbase and that's mostly why I want nothing to do with it. And I'm someone who wanted King K. Rool and Banjo, not to mention Geno. This is an entirely different topic then Geno though, so let's leave it at that.

Smash is an excellent gateway dru-uh I mean game. Over the course of my life Smash has introduced me to Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Star Fox, F-Zero, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, Metal Gear, Animal Crossing, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Fatal Fury, and King of Fighters. (And one of these days Persona)

And two of those were with one character!

So my only hope is that with each character added more people discover games and series that they love that they might not have tried otherwise.

 

[SSGuy]

Don't apologise for opening a hornests nest. Admit what you did wrong and apologize for being toxic. How can you possibly say this with a straight face? You're the one using strawmen and toxicity. Legitimately, this is why people hate Geno fans. Because people like you make the rest of us look bad.

Again, just don’t blame specific fanbases, especially ones that already got their characters.

As evident over the last few weeks, we had some genuinely awful people on our side as well, but has that got us down? Absolutely not, so we shouldn’t be sending hate to other fanbases due to a few bad seeds.

It gets so frustrating to the point where I feel as if it's the same group almost every time. Like what did we even do to get this kind of backlash? After a while, you want to say something. I understand where I was wrong but it's like come on.

I don't want to be labeled toxic for sticking up for other Geno fans who feel they are being mocked.

oh, question, what are peeps gonna talk about now that another leaker swore off Nintendo stuff?

Geno and Mario RPG? Why is this even a question?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Geno and Mario RPG? Why is this even a question?

And Paper Mario. And other random leaks.

The list goes on. >.>

 

[Sigran101]

It gets so frustrating to the point where I feel as if it's the same group almost every time. Like what did we even do to get this kind of backlash? After a while, you want to say something. I understand where I was wrong but it's like come on.



Geno and Mario RPG? Why is this even a question?

What did you do to get this treatment? You **** on everyone else and then play the victim when anyone does it back to you, that's what you did. And the rest of us get **** on because of your actions too. Quit acting like you're some poor persecuted victim. You're the toxic one.

Edit: also worth mentioning you weren't sticking up for anyone there. You just decided to **** on multiple entire fanbases 100% unprovoked.

 

[Icewolff92]

Persona 5 fans (NOT any Persona fans before that game) are the most toxic fanbase I have ever met. Every person that has a Joker profile picture or some resemblance has turned out to be a horrific person in some way or another. Not even joking with that.

Trust me when I say this, though: I don't think FE fans are at fault here. Persona 5 fans are RABID, to the point they'll send people death threats.

Videos like these illustrate that perfectly.

There are horrible people in every fandom, be it Persona, Fire Emblem, or Smash Brothers (and I can say that as someone that is sort of in all three) Generalization isn´t exactly "nontoxic behavior" you know?

 

[Droodle]

Persona 5 fans (NOT any Persona fans before that game) are the most toxic fanbase I have ever met. Every person that has a Joker profile picture or some resemblance has turned out to be a horrific person in some way or another. Not even joking with that.

Trust me when I say this, though: I don't think FE fans are at fault here. Persona 5 fans are RABID, to the point they'll send people death threats.

Videos like these illustrate that perfectly.

Eh, Persona 5's hardcore fanbase is pretty bad in the long run (same with FE fans); but honestly speaking I still think the Smash fanbase overall is one of the most toxic games to deal with. Ironic I know, but I'm pretty sure many people feel the same way. You have Melee VS Ultimate fanboys (although that has cooled off), and on top of that you have people people saying ____ is pretty much confirmed, but lol if you think a character like _____ would ever get into Smash.

I wouldn't doubt if a part of Sakurai pretty much loathes the Smash fanbase. I mean he's practically admitted he can't really talk about games/characters on his own twitter because people will pretty much throw a fit at the "hints", I think he's decently careful about not talking about games he likes at this point (unless they're already in Smash, super small, or super big). I know Harada (General Manager at Bamco) pretty much told fans to shut up talking about/spamming them with character requests, because he'd tell Sakurai to NOT put them into Smash.

Even here, on twitter, gamefaqs, 4chan, etc. Every small thing is "taken" as a hint on who the next character may end up being, which is fine (because hints definitely DO exist). But when those "hints" don't end up playing out, certain fanbases get really burned out and other fanbases call them out for it. Even I was expecting Geno to be revealed today (RIP) mostly due to insiders talking about him, but now I'm back to 50/50 as the next reveal being Geno as I think even insiders were pretty much guessing at Geno (the fact that insiders were pretty much said that they were "joking", doesn't help either). And while I do believe insiders knowing about certain games being revealed in the coming months being big, and mistakenly thinking they would be revealed now. I just don't know if they knew about a Smash DLC reveal in particular considering how closely guarded they tend to be until like a couple days before a direct airs (if there actually is a full blown reveal).

And the salt that certain reveals generated pretty much speak for themselves.

At this point it's pretty much waiting for the next "big" character for a lot of people, and every other character for the most part is met with differing levels of disdain especially of they are "unexpected".

At the very least, hopefully the next ACTUAL direct comes sooner rather than later. I'm going to be guessing September though. Hopefully Geno is revealed around then.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Geno and Mario RPG? Why is this even a question?

Im talking about everyone.. what is everyone going to talk about.. not just you.
With so many leakers out, I guess people in general, that arent this fandom because you have topics for days, wont have anything to talk about, well, unless its a 4chan leak

 

[Polarthief]

Im talking about everyone.. whay is everyone going. to talk about.. not just you

This *is* the Geno thread, so nearly all discussion should be aimed towards Geno and the game he came from, so...

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

oh, question, what are peeps gonna talk about now that another leaker swore off Nintendo stuff?

Idk I was thinking about talking about Geno but I'm not sure if this is the right place for that

 

[Audioplasma]

Can we please just move on and see this as a stump in the road, I’m sure Nintendo know what they are doing and have something for us that will satisfy everyone.

 

[MattX20]

If we don't get any more leaks regarding for Smash, that's fine. It just makes the surprise/joy even stronger when Geno is confirmed

 

[SSGuy]

What did you do to get this treatment? You **** on everyone else and then play the victim when anyone does it back to you, that's what you did. And the rest of us get **** on because of your actions too. Quit acting like you're some poor persecuted victim. You're the toxic one.

I should have clarified, but I was referring to all the other events. Not this specific one. Any time someone on GameFaqs or Twitter randomly tries to tell someone they are irrelevant or their most wanted character is a dumb pick.

In that context I am not the one trying to instigate a fight. I already admitted what I said was wrong and I will say it again. I am sorry.

I don't want to give myself the image that I am playing victim over my post. I just want to know why do so many people get away straw manning us?

I'm good with moving this over to DMs so this conversation doesn't take over the thread.

 

[pinshadow]

See, the funny thing is, people seem mad Nintendo is having a slow year and like, isn't that what we were expecting anyway since around the start of the year? Seriously, haven't pretty much all the major prominent rumors been ports and remakes anyway? Pikmin 3, 3D World, the Mario Collection, Rare Replay/Master Chief Collection, and less prominent stuff like the FE remakes that Imran said were originally going to be on 3DS before stuff shifted. Even the crazier stuff that people are implying but not saying out loud still point to more ports and remakes than anything else. This was always going to be a slower year regardless of what went down.

 

[Fatmanonice]

The time gap between Paper Mario's announcement and release was 64 days. This was about 9 weeks or slightly more than 2 months. The gap between Min Min's original planned Amiibo wave and changed Amiibo wave was 56. Both are pretty close to the general "Ideal DLC gap" that we've seen in the past, averaging about two to two and a half months: February, April, June/July, September, November, December. Now, let's use this calendar calculator to determine something:

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=09&d1=25&y1=2020&type=sub&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=60&rec=

60 days before September 25th, the Japanese release of Joker and Hero is exactly July 27th. Not exactly rocket science but if we change this date to October 2nd, the new date becomes August 3rd. Coincidentally, both days are having Online Maintenance.

 

[super88cloud]

You guys don't deserve any of this and it's always the same group of fake Smash Bros fans that do this. The Joker/FE mains and fans.

My motivation to keep playing is to stomp every Joker/Weeb fan so hard in Smash Bros so hard to the point they are never gonna want to play/associate with Smash Bros ever again.

I'm gonna go galaxy brain on their barbie doll looking characters with all the so called cereal box mascots. lol

It´s not Joker fans, weebs or young people. It´s just IMMATURE dumbasses who keep nagging people.

No disrespect to anyone, but I find it very surprising people still want Geno in an era we get 3rd party fighters like Joker in smash.

He seems a bit of a relic of a bygone era. Don't want to say irrelevant as that's harsh, but he is someone younger fans certainly wouldn't know.

People want him precisely because of that too. Mario RPG is from a bygone era, Squaresoft was a quality name so was Nintendo back in the day(still is, except for their marketing department and the whole character assurance ****).

 

[Dukefire]

With the ongoing pandemic and people starving for more information about the game's releases later this year, it is sure to make results unstable. Resulting on the possible Crash and Burn.

Past that, the best we can still do as of now is waiting. Plus, we already have evidence that Relevancy and how the character is presented in a different format doesn't mean they are out of reach to fighter status. Fan Rules or not, rules are always meant to be broken>(Except for the Non-Video Game characters rule for sure.)

 

[MattX20]

The time gap between Paper Mario's announcement and release was 64 days. This was about 9 weeks or slightly more than 2 months. The gap between Min Min's original planned Amiibo wave and changed Amiibo wave was 56. Both are pretty close to the general "Ideal DLC gap" that we've seen in the past, averaging about two to two and a half months: February, April, June/July, September, November, December. Now, let's use this calendar calculator to determine something:

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=09&d1=25&y1=2020&type=sub&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=60&rec=

60 days before September 25th, the Japanese release of Joker and Hero is exactly July 27th. Not exactly rocket science but if we change this date to October 2nd, the new date becomes August 3rd. Coincidentally, both days are having Online Maintenance.

Hmm....we'll have to keep our eyes open on those 2 dates

 

[Heoj]

generalisations are something unavoidable in every fanbase but i feel like for our fanbase its especially important that we really try not to generalise other fanbases. Our character being rather obscure in the general gaming scene and popular in the smash scene already gives us a lot of **** thrown our way, but if we start accusing other fanbases as toxic n stuff, it obviously isnt gonna help our case.

Like i remember this one guy on twitter with a joker profile talking **** about geno and geno supporters, but im not gonna go "man persona fans are so toxic towards us" because then i remember people like Sigran101. plus if persona 3,4, or 5 got ported to the switch id most likely buy it on release day cuz damn i really wanna play persona.(not scramble tho, like, a normal persona game)

 

[CannonStreak]

The time gap between Paper Mario's announcement and release was 64 days. This was about 9 weeks or slightly more than 2 months. The gap between Min Min's original planned Amiibo wave and changed Amiibo wave was 56. Both are pretty close to the general "Ideal DLC gap" that we've seen in the past, averaging about two to two and a half months: February, April, June/July, September, November, December. Now, let's use this calendar calculator to determine something:

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=09&d1=25&y1=2020&type=sub&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=60&rec=

60 days before September 25th, the Japanese release of Joker and Hero is exactly July 27th. Not exactly rocket science but if we change this date to October 2nd, the new date becomes August 3rd. Coincidentally, both days are having Online Maintenance.

Not to doubt you, but what makes you think it won’t be some new episode of the partner Mini-Direct thing?