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Or we can be rational and realize that if Nintendo is going to continue holding these partner events for the next few months, it means we flat out aren't getting a normal direct for a long time? We'll still get first-party reveals in some form or another, but the fact they seem to be committing to this new "Partner Showcase" format really implies that.
The Mario remasters seem entirely real based on how hard basically everyone has been committed to the rumor for like 4 months at this point. The consensus seems to be they think they're going to be released around the anniversary in September like Mario Maker was but that carries the question of when it's getting announced, which is part of the reason so many of them are confused by Nintendo today.
I would love the ability to switch partners out mid-battle. I usually end up using the same 2 partners with Mario throughout the game, and one of them is always Geno. The only problem with this is that most battles aren't long, so switching would only really be effective during boss battles. Another thing I would like to be added is being able to switch Mario out.
I replay it almost yearly anyway, so might as well if it happens!
I actually think it's way less about Square and more about Nintendo wanting so little to do with the more obscure, lesser-loved Mario characters.
They've already licensed him, and multiple times at that.
It is different to license him in those instances than as a full fighter with stage and music etc. Square are very difficult to work with in that regard
Unless you're personally involved with either Nintendo or Square, I don't think you actually know how the process works, or how difficult it is. Sure, it's easy to assume based on the things that we know, but it's all speculation unless you have some insider info that we don't. I see where you're coming from, but this line of argument doesn't really hold up.
True, but, even then, Sakurai has worked with Square to license both Cloud and Hero for this game too (he was even able to get four of the DQ heros as alts for Hero).
Ovaltine
said, it's likely that Nintendo actually has more to do with holding Geno back than Square does.It's not like Nintendo was able to negotiate to have Hero from Dragon Quest that the series is owned by several other companies, the creator has never let the Heroes fight each other, let alone be in games outside of Dragon Quest.
I won't argue with you there, but I think Nintendo has been a bigger hurdle for Geno than Square-Enix has been. Recent developments have left me more optimistic than before but they have also revealed a lot about both companies and how I feel about the whole Geno/SMRPG stuff going on.
Damn. I knew it was too good to be true anyways. I'm guessing this may lower the credibility of the Mario 35 Twitter account as well unfortunately. :/
I don't think any of us know how the licensing process works - the best we can do is make educated guesses. From what I recall, the composer for Dragon Quest owns the rights to the music (which is why he gets a special credit in Hero's trailer), but I'm not sure if that applies to all of the composers that Square-Enix works with or if it's just him. (if it's a general deal, Yoko Shimomura's heavily involved in Smash, so I don't think that music would be an issue in Geno's case)
True, but, even then, Sakurai has worked with Square to license both Cloud and Hero for this game too (he was even able to get four of the DQ heros as alts for Hero).
In regards to music, Final's Fantasy's music composer and Super Mario RPG's music composer are different people, and Yoko Shimomura, the SMRPG composer is likely easier to work with than Uematsu Nobuo, the FF7 music composer.
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Plus, if Sakurai wants a character, negotiations wouldn't stop him (I thought that would be a hurdle for a DQ character but, low and behold, he got it).
Addressed above
Square doesn’t seem to have any real big licensing issues themselves. Yes FF didn’t get much, but that’s likely due to the artist and composer wanting royalties, and Sakurai was able to convince SE to let him have four Heroes (and the rest in their final smash) despite it usually not being a thing they’d let happen iirc. I guess it is a bit weird we got 8 tracks from DQ’s stingy composer then, but they were just the midis.
Though to be fair I really see where the frustration is coming from. Again, not going to generalize, but the "weeb" bubble of fans do often get treated better since people view them as "mature" (and "open-minded" and "sophisticated") compared to those who complain whenever they get a character, and a lot of the "weeb bubble" did act self righteous, obnoxious, and scathing when Byleth was revealed.
I know how it feels! Look in my signature, EVERY character there aside from Crash will get this kind of grief if they get in, hell even Crash himself might get it from the few still obsessing over the Blizzard controversy.
EXACTLY! Problem is, both sides deride each other, and while one is mocked for doing it, the other is praised for it ("LOL HOES MAD").
It's where the whole Stingy Square misunderstanding comes from. Square's easy to work with, but the outside parties aren't And with SMRPG's composer already onboard, I highly doubt Geno will be stuck with two musical tracks. SMRPG has such a diverse soundtrack and will make for lots of great remixes!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only reason Nobuo Uematsu is listed as a composer in SMRPG was because Yoko made renditions of two of his songs to be used in the game.
Earthbound didn't make it to Europe until the Wii U, and Mother 3 never made it outside of Japan. (there are likely plenty of similar examples, but SNES RPGs are the first that come to mind) That didn't stop Ness and Lucas from being included.
Yoko composed the entire soundtrack, incorporating Koji Kondo’s music in some tracks and Nobuo Uemetsu’s in a few (I assume the Culex stuff). No one else worked on it.
Worth pointing out that it was Square-Enix that suggested to get 2 more costumes. Sakurai never went for more than Luminary and Erdrick(latest version and the most known version from the East).
I expect lots of SMRPG remixed music if Geno graces the game. Yoko Shimomura composed the game, it's still some of her best work, and she's working on Smash Ultimate. The issue with DQ and especially FF7 music stemmed from the composers. SMRPG even got a remixed music track in my 7th favorite Wii game, Fortune Street. Hello, Happy Kingdom. Even just for that's a track the game is worth playing.
Earthbound sequels made it to Europe however, and Ness wasn't dlc. imo Nintendo can afford to have more out there picks for base roster as ppl will buy the game anyway. Dlc is different as people pick and choose what appeals to them so I'm sure that there's an element of profitability to consider.
You clearly weren't here for Byleth when the FE fandom was brutally mocking the Smash fandom for WEEKS
Uematsu Nobuo has some tracks from SMRPG that are just tracks from other FF games, and those likely aren't going to be the ones they add in Smash along with Geno.
Opossum
yesterday. I was just real pissed the other day. I shouldn't have said anything and just kept it to myself.
Fatmanonice
said, we are all getting old and Sakurai knows this. Plus SMRPG fans who played it back in the day being over their late 30s or 40s by the time the next Smash comes along.
Trust me, I was there for Byleth. I was there for literally the entire fanbase ****ting on Byleth for weeks. I was there for people organizing boycotts of FE for weeks. I was there for cosplayers getting harassed and voice actors getting death threats. I was there for FE fans getting boo'd off the internet while every last person in the fanbase ******* and moaned about how horrible fire emblem is and how much they hate Byleth in every last thread on every last site, and in every comment of every tweet and every YouTube video, leaving no safe space for FE fans. I was also there when all fe fans did in response was over post a dumb meme. I garuntee you all (edit: by "you all" I mean the people who have been ****ting on other fanbases today, not the Geno thread as a whole) would not have handled that situation with nearly as much grace and maturity considering what's been expressed today.
Earthbound made it to Europe nearly fifteen years after Ness was included in Smash, and Mother 3 didn't make it to Europe at all. (and Lucas was DLC for Smash 4 - so was Roy, and his game was and still is Japan-exclusive) As for Ridley, he was considered for Smash, but Sakurai said that if they made him a fighter, "it wouldn't be Ridley any longer" (since he'd have to be shrunk down, or couldn't fly around freely). Obviously, that wasn't an issue for Smash Ultimate - circumstances change. (and, like I said, adding Geno before a Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest character would be like adding Kazuma Kiryu before Sonic)