Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Sigran101]

He specifically mentioned he didn't hear anything about Elma.

My guess is fire emblem

That would be disappointing. There are plenty of fire emblem characters I want, but none of them are sword users.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Hitagi also said he didn't hear anything about Geno, Sora, or Final Fantasy characters (replied with "Zilch" to people asking if he heard anything about them), alongside other characters that aren't SE and some that aren't 3rd-party.

In another post, he said he didn't hear anything about the SE characters because "it's not confirmed" or something; of course tbh not hearing about a character doesn't mean they won't be the one to get added.

Honestly I just want to wait for an official announcement, the only time I feel like bringing up what Hitagi said is when justifying my joke choice for either Lizalfos, Dinolfos or Stalfos from Zelda.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Does Fire Emblem honestly need another character (or, hell, a stage) at this point anyways? Four unique characters, two Echos, and a semi clone. The series didn't even really find its stride outside Japan until 2012 so it's just kind of obnoxious at this point. I like the series and have pretty much been into it since 2008 or so but it's gotten to be a bit much, especially if Nintendo can't rationalize a second Wario Ware rep and took this long to finally cave on DK and Metroid.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I hope nobody is putting all of their faith in Vergeben and Hitagi. I'm not going to believe them for now, and the Grinch leak and Artsy Omni Rayman leak taught me not to put all my eggs into one basket.

 

[Ze Diglett]

And we're at 300 pages. Blimey, that was quick. For reference, it hasn't even been a month since we hit 200 pages.
I wouldn't take anything Hitagi says into consideration. He's an analogue to loz18 in pretty much every way, shape, and form, nothing he says is worth giving any serious thought to. At this point, the only person we should even consider listening to is Vergeben (and Jon from GameXplain, but he's not just gonna come out with anything).

 

[Loliko YnT]

I hope nobody is putting all of their faith in Vergeben and Hitagi. I'm not going to believe them for now, and the Grinch leak and Artsy Omni Rayman leak taught me not to put all my eggs into one basket.

I agree with you.

I still think Vergeben statement on a SE rep isn't too far-fetched , but I see Geno coming as the first DLC for many other reasons.

As Iv'e said before , DLCs are harder to leak than base game stuff ( it can easily be kept a secret to Nintendo and a single third party company , wherehas the base game could get leaked with promo art and such.) so DLCs are going to be more about speculation than leaks.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...Artwork.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20180413195236

I think I found the Nintendo swordman that Hitagi was talking about it. There's no way It's not him.

Sorry for double post and can't put the image directly in the post , my internet and phone are pretty bad.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

And we're at 300 pages. Blimey, that was quick. For reference, it hasn't even been a month since we hit 200 pages.
I wouldn't take anything Hitagi says into consideration. He's an analogue to loz18 in pretty much every way, shape, and form, nothing he says is worth giving any serious thought to. At this point, the only person we should even consider listening to is Vergeben (and Jon from GameXplain, but he's not just gonna come out with anything).

In the least loz got something right before people believed him.

Only thing hitagi got right was incineroar. And that was after everyone else had already said it.

 

[MattX20]

Grats on 300 pages

 

[valkiriforce]

Congrats on making it to page 300! Have another laughing Geno:

 

[Datboigeno]

When I see the things Hitagi is saying and the way he's saying them I start to get the feeling he may be 90% full of ****. The guy is making very specific claims about characters being in or not, calling out other leakers' sources (like he did with Papa Genos), and somehow has the finger on the pulse of high level business negotiations between Nintendo and other third parties. I remember a few days ago someone here laid out several ways in which you can tell a leaker is full of **** and thinking about it Hitagi lines up very well with a lot of the points they made. Tbh the more he says the less faith I have in his credibility which was already very low. Maybe he did leak Samurai Showdown. And maybe he heard one thing awhile ago about Ultimate. But I genuinely think this guy is making up a lot of these things for attention.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

When I see the things Hitagi is saying and the way he's saying them I start to get the feeling he may be 90% full of ****. The guy is making very specific claims about characters being in or not, calling out other leakers' sources (like he did with Papa Genos), and somehow has the finger on the pulse of high level business negotiations between Nintendo and other third parties. I remember a few days ago someone here laid out several ways in which you can tell a leaker is full of **** and thinking about it Hitagi lines up very well with a lot of the points they made. Tbh the more he says the less faith I have in his credibility which was already very low. Maybe he did leak Samurai Showdown. And maybe he heard one thing awhile ago about Ultimate. But I genuinely think this guy is making up a lot of these things for attention.

Other leakers have said he's full of ****.

...or him by proxy by saying Verg is full of **** with his dlc leaks

 

[Sigran101]

When I see the things Hitagi is saying and the way he's saying them I start to get the feeling he may be 90% full of ****. The guy is making very specific claims about characters being in or not, calling out other leakers' sources (like he did with Papa Genos), and somehow has the finger on the pulse of high level business negotiations between Nintendo and other third parties. I remember a few days ago someone here laid out several ways in which you can tell a leaker is full of **** and thinking about it Hitagi lines up very well with a lot of the points they made. Tbh the more he says the less faith I have in his credibility which was already very low. Maybe he did leak Samurai Showdown. And maybe he heard one thing awhile ago about Ultimate. But I genuinely think this guy is making up a lot of these things for attention.

I don't trust any leaker who "deconfirms" stuff for any reason other than knowing the character is in the game in a different form. Hitagi "deconfirmed" any Atlus character and Banjo. Like, how would he know they are not in if he doesn't know the full roster yet?

 

[coolcat12347]

....
If it’s fire emblem, I’ll be EXTREMELY annoyed- three houses has an AXE WIELDER.

 

[ZelDan]

Only reason I was willing to believe Hitagi was because vergeben, the dude that brought up Kencineroar and Isaac's AT status trusted Hitagi.

At this point I too am getting skeptical, and boy would I love for Hitagi to end up being wrong, because ewww Minecraft Steve being in Smash.

Whatever, I'm just going to wait and see what happens at this point. After how the last direct went down, I could see things going in a great direction or a lame one.

 

[domriver]

Congratulations Geno brothers! for 300 pages! heres to hoping for Geno for the first DLC.
Question the fighter pass can i buy it thru eshop? but i have the physical copy on reserve. Im confident in the DLC. I KNOW i will buy it. because im one of those types that HAS TO HAVE ALL characters regardless of me not using them. For example I bought Cloud, Lucas, Ryu, and Corrin and i don't even use them. The only one i use is Bayonetta.

EDIT: I also purchase the Geno Mii Costume in hopes it tells Nintendo something :D

 

[Slender]

300 pages already? We might hit the Brawl limit by the time we get our answer on Geno.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If getting from 200 to 300 was a month, let's try to get to 400 before the end of the year! I think we can do it

Especially once more information about DLC is released

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Does Fire Emblem honestly need another character (or, hell, a stage) at this point anyways? Four unique characters, two Echos, and a semi clone. The series didn't even really find its stride outside Japan until 2012 so it's just kind of obnoxious at this point. I like the series and have pretty much been into it since 2008 or so but it's gotten to be a bit much, especially if Nintendo can't rationalize a second Wario Ware rep and took this long to finally cave on DK and Metroid.

If they actually represent another unique class from the series, sure. It’s a series that is in desperate need of better representation actually (it just happens to be over represented in the sword category...)

 

[GoodGrief741]

Hitagi is saying one of the dlc is a sword weilder owned by Nintendo.

If hitagi is right, there is a chance ALL dlc is anime swordsmen (women).

Lol

I just imagined Steve as an anime swordsman.

I don’t even know how I feel about it.

 

[MattX20]

I'm skeptical on Hitagi's claims, so I wouldn't really trust him or take his word seriously like Vergeben or even Jon from Gamexplain.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I just imagined Steve as an anime swordsman.

I don’t even know how I feel about it.

It's not like anime's with box shaped swordsman don't exist. LOL

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yeah, come to think of it, Hitagi's claims do go really deep and specific. How the hell would he know about negotiations unless his source was really high up like an actual executive? Jesus, now I feel dumb...

 

[TBone06]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdmt2IA90Yc

Not that I buy into everything LaxChris says, but this was taken from a Reddit Smash poll. It's actually pretty interesting.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdmt2IA90Yc

Not that I buy into everything LaxChris says, but this was taken from a Reddit Smash poll. It's actually pretty interesting.

Is it the one with Banjo and Geno in first and second place

 

[TBone06]

Is it the one with Banjo and Geno in first and second place

That is the one!

 

[Datboigeno]

I don't trust any leaker who "deconfirms" stuff for any reason other than knowing the character is in the game in a different form. Hitagi "deconfirmed" any Atlus character and Banjo. Like, how would he know they are not in if he doesn't know the full roster yet?

Exactly! Like the fact that he was going through characters on reddit in responses to people saying vague maybes and then got to Lara Croft and then gave a hard deconfirm and when it was brought up he'd basically nixed every other major SE character he backtracked and said he wasn't sure. Like wtf

 

[Darkfur]

I don't understand why people are taking Hitagi saying that he has heard nothing about a character as a disconfirmation. That is a neutral response.

 

[RingJ5]

So, interesting info just came to light that pretty heavily goes against a theory that I’ve seen regarding DQ in Smash.

“A DQ character being announced at the Game Awards would be perfect, since DQXI is basically the only frontrunner to win Best RPG this year, and they could get publicity and recognition off of that.”

Turns out? DQXI is far, far, far from the frontrunner when the Game Awards consider Monster Hunter World to be an RPG.

So unless Nintendo and Square literally rigged the competition well in advance to get the announcement together, it’s highly, highly unlikely that they could guarantee any sort of win when facing that level of competition, making a DQ character reveal at TGA much less likely.

 

[Sigran101]

I don't understand why people are taking Hitagi saying that he has heard nothing about a character as a disconfirmation. That is a neutral response.

Maybe what I read was wrong, but I thought what he said was something like "There is no Atlus character because I haven't heard it mentioned" rather than just "I haven't heard about an Atlus character".

 

[domriver]

now that I think about it. is Reggie gonna show us the DLC for Smash? :D

 

[JarBear]

now that I think about it. is Reggie gonna show us the DLC for Smash? :D

Depends on if his body is ready.

 

[Deleted member]

C'mon, I know we can hit 442 pages before Geno's reveal

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Oh man, we smashed the smash 4 thread 204 pages ago. Lol.

 

[pap64]

We appreciate thread contributions but please try and read at least the previous couple of pages which continue to reiterate logical points for why Geno makes the most sense

Speculation, speculation, speculation...That is what it all is. Even what I said is just speculation, just that I am speculating that Geno might not make it in because after the November direct and the announcement that Nintendo has chosen the DLC characters themselves, his chances may have gotten slimmer.

And I KNOW all about the clues and hints at Geno finally being in Smash; the re-releases of Super Mario RPG, the renewed copyrights, the Mii costume in Smash 4, Sakurai's own interest in the character, etc. I KNOW. But people had been making those arguments for characters like Ridley and K.Rool since the Melee days and it took them almost 20 years to finally say "OK, let's add them in". Just saying that "oh the interest is there it's gonna happen" is not enough.

Once more, after the November direct, ANYTHING can happen with the DLC at this point, and Geno has a 40% chance of making it in. If the leaks are true about there being a Square rep as DLC, Square will ALSO want to choose THEIR character to crossover too, you know, which includes Sora, Dragon Quest character and even another Final Fantasy rep.

AND I KNOW SORA IS GONNA BE A HARD CHARACTER TO GET IN. I don't need to hear that, I just bring it up as an EXAMPLE of who could get in as well as the other Square rep people have been talking about. Sora is gonna be a licensing nightmare because it all boils down to if Nintendo is willing to split DLC revenue three way.

And the whole "oh Dragon Quest cant be represented in Smash because it's only popular in Japan" argument is irrelevant. For starters, Smash is a game that originated in Japan. Second, there IS a Smash community in Japan as well that have their own wanted characters (remember how Ridley was called Captain America because the Japanese felt he was there to appeal to the Americans?). Dragon Quest is insanely popular in Japan, so wouldn't it make sense to add Dragon Quest representation in Smash? The whole Japan popularity thing doesn't matter in Smash; Fire Emblem was Japan exclusive until Marth and Roy showed up in Melee.

As for the 'there are enough sword fighters" argument, that one is also invalid. Yes, Smash is notorious for its many sword fighters, but that should not limit the inclusion of a character, much like how the "character relevancy" argument doesn't limit anyone. If a character is popular enough and Nintendo wants him/her in the game, it's gonna happen.

Listen, I am sorry if I am coming off as being cynical and raining down on everyone's hopes and dreams for Geno. I already said that all my speculation could be wrong and Geno IS going to be DLC and be the first one to boot. There is still hope for him. Just saying that we shouldn't see this as being a fact when anything can happen at this point and that using facts and speculative information is not gonna raise his chances. Remember how in the August direct EVERYONE freaked out because the set was implying that Skull Kid was gonna be in the game? Hype can play a lot of mind games.

 

[KanataLen]

Happy 300 pages everyone! it's so cool to be able to catch one of these

 

[FalconFire93]

Happy 300, fellow Geno fans!

 

[EarlTamm]

Nice to see this thread go so far, and likely farther if the discussion continues like this.

 

[RingJ5]

And the whole "oh Dragon Quest cant be represented in Smash because it's only popular in Japan" argument is irrelevant. For starters, Smash is a game that originated in Japan. Second, there IS a Smash community in Japan as well that have their own wanted characters (remember how Ridley was called Captain America because the Japanese felt he was there to appeal to the Americans?). Dragon Quest is insanely popular in Japan, so wouldn't it make sense to add Dragon Quest representation in Smash? The whole Japan popularity thing doesn't matter in Smash; Fire Emblem was Japan exclusive until Marth and Roy showed up in Melee.

As for the 'there are enough sword fighters" argument, that one is also invalid. Yes, Smash is notorious for its many sword fighters, but that should not limit the inclusion of a character, much like how the "character relevancy" argument doesn't limit anyone. If a character is popular enough and Nintendo wants him/her in the game, it's gonna happen.

See, you’re making a huge, huge mistake here by conflating “Dragon Quest is popular in Japan” with “Japanese Smash fans have been wanting Dragon Quest representation”. The former is true, but the latter is quite false. I am not remotely exaggerating here when I say that if Nintendo wanted to put a character in the pack that would specifically get Japanese Smash fans excited, they’d go for BWD over practically anything else, and that’s a first-party character. DQ is “faceless” enough that the support has just never been there, and it’d be purely a marketing pick to try to grab a more general audience over something that’s been wanted for years by the fans.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

This is a little unrelated, but happy 300 pages everyone! I love how big conversation has become so big in this entire thread! It's pretty great! Let's all continue to support Geno and find evidence for him in the next coming pages!

 

[GoodGrief741]

it’d be purely a marketing pick to try to grab a more general audience

That makes it more likely, not less.

And really, there wasn’t huge demand for Snake, or Cloud, or Ryu, or Simon. Not within the Smash fandom. Yet they were still added because they’re from famous videogame franchises with mass appeal where the West is concerned. Likewise with Richter in the East (where he was pretty much a necessity, as Castlevania never caught on in Japan as much). Dragon Quest would just be to Japan what Final Fantasy is to the West.

(What I mean is, the precedent is there)