Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[6eyondthegrave]

We should always remember that Geno already beat all Square reps with exception of Cloud and Chocobo when Square and Nintendo choose him over any other character to maximize Cloud's DLC sales.

What is your opinion about other Square reps like Crono, Sephiroth, Chocobo, Octopath rep, other FF rep, The World Ends With You rep, etc? Do you believe that any other character besides DQ and Sora has good chances over Geno?

I'm hoping we are not getting another sword fighter (from Square or anywhere else), that's why Geno is so special and unique.

 

[domriver]

So we might expect the first dlc (geno) and Piranha Plant ready by January/February? I doubt that Sakurai is/was working on 1 character when he mentioned it during the direct. ;P

 

[TerminalMontage]

So we might expect the first dlc (geno) and Piranha Plant ready by January/February? I doubt that Sakurai is/was working on 1 character when he mentioned it during the direct. ;P

I'm expecting PP late January early February, and maybe Geno/1st DLC a month or 2 after.

 

[owjies]

We should always remember that Geno already beat all Square reps with exception of Cloud and Chocobo when Square and Nintendo choose him over any other character to maximize Cloud's DLC sales.

What is your opinion about other Square reps like Crono, Sephiroth, Chocobo, Octopath rep, other FF rep, The World Ends With You rep, etc? Do you believe that any other character besides DQ and Sora has good chances over Geno?

Square has mentioned over the last year or so that its strategy regarding the Switch is creating new IPs similar to Octopath and rebooting older franchises. (Source & Source) I actually think Crono is a sleeper pick right now if there's a top secret Chrono game in the works. My feeling on Final Fantasy is that Cloud is the franchise's rep. I'm not too worried about Sephiroth, Tifa, Terra, etc. Right now, it feels like Geno vs. Dragon Quest, but I'm sure there's something behind the scenes that we're not aware of. Everyone knows at this point that Geno is highly in demand, including Nintendo. It's tough because Square has made some amazing games/characters, particularly in the late 90's & early 00's. Geno's right there in the mix, though. *Fingers Crossed*

 

[alemerltoucanet]

I'm expecting PP late January early February, and maybe Geno/1st DLC a month or 2 after.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Maybe he'll be like late-April or early to mid May?

 

[Fatmanonice]

We should always remember that Geno already beat all Square reps with exception of Cloud and Chocobo when Square and Nintendo choose him over any other character to maximize Cloud's DLC sales.

What is your opinion about other Square reps like Crono, Sephiroth, Chocobo, Octopath rep, other FF rep, The World Ends With You rep, etc? Do you believe that any other character besides DQ and Sora has good chances over Geno?

Crono- Owned by Armor Project, little recent Smash demand, last Chrono game on a Nintendo platform was the 2008 DS remake.

Chocobo/other Final Fantasy rep- there seems to be an unspoken rule that they try to do one unique character per third party franchise.

Sephiroth- see above plus, if Ridley was a pain to balance for Smash, this guy would be a nightmare. The Masamune is about 9 feet long if that gives you any idea. Even scaled down, it'd still need to noticeably be the longest sword in the game to be represented correctly. Remember, Ridley was scaled down but he's still the biggest character in the game, staying in character to the intended design.

Octopath rep- too new. If ARMS and Xenoblade were shut down for this, there's no way they'd make an exception for a third party that just released this year after E3.

Neku- Now THIS is an interesting suggestion. Was a DS exclusive for a long time and got a Switch remaster, doesn't have all the legal hangups as Sora despite coming from the same creator, has a brilliant soundtrack, and offers really unique moveset possibilities. The downside is that the game only did decently in North America at about half a million, more than 2/3rds of its global sales, with Japan being less than half, likely the reason the series was shelved for so long. Neku doesn't really have any demand either and is even kind of obscure to Japanese audiences. If he had demand he'd probably be a contender but it's simply not there.

 

[Deleted member]

Crono- Owned by Armor Project, little recent Smash demand, last Chrono game on a Nintendo platform was the 2008 DS remake.

Chocobo/other Final Fantasy rep- there seems to be an unspoken rule that they try to do one unique character per third party franchise.

Sephiroth- see above plus, if Ridley was a pain to balance for Smash, this guy would be a nightmare. The Masamune is about 9 feet long if that gives you any idea. Even scaled down, it'd still need to noticeably be the longest sword in the game to be represented correctly. Remember, Ridley was scaled down but he's still the biggest character in the game, staying in character to the intended design.

Octopath rep- too new. If ARMS and Xenoblade were shut down for this, there's no way they'd make an exception for a third party that just released this year after E3.

Neku- Now THIS is an interesting suggestion. Was a DS exclusive for a long time and got a Switch remaster, doesn't have all the legal hangups as Sora despite coming from the same creator, has a brilliant soundtrack, and offers really unique moveset possibilities. The downside is that the game only did decently in North America at about half a million, more than 2/3rds of its global sales, with Japan being less than half, likely the reason the series was shelved for so long. Neku doesn't really have any demand either and is even kind of obscure to Japanese audiences. If he had demand he'd probably be a contender but it's simply not there.

I would also like to add something that makes another FF character unlikely. FF still only has two music tracks, the creator of the music tracks isn't affiliated with Square Enix anymore, and the music tracks are very expensive. Combining this with a third party franchise may only being able to have one rep, I think another FF character is out of the question tbh

 

[SSGuy]

Neku is a pretty serious sleeper pick but he doesn't make top 50 for anything in regards to fan polls.

My younger cousin wants him as he is just getting into that anime phase in his life.

 

[Loliko YnT]

I am the only one to think that Mario/Geno/Peach is such a stupidly strong Team in SMRPG?

Their only somewhat flaw is that only Mario has a one-target Magic/Special move (ultra jump) that do a lot of damage without costing too much FP (MP? I don't remember if It's flower points or Magic points) , but with Geno boost , Geno can just spam the regular attack with the star gun and do around the same damage.
You just gotta do some group hug from times to times , and you're fine. And pick me up cost so little coin so that , even if Peach die , you can quickly revive her.

Also , Peach is supposed to be the more frele party member , but in my case , since I carefully choosed the lvl up bonus , she ended up having 200HP at lvl 20! Mallow didn't have much more.

I know that SMRPG is a begginer friendly RPG , but I seriously wish they nerf Peach in some way , if we got a remake , she's just so broken.

I'm fine with Geno because , even while beeing strong , he doesn't have a strong Magic/special move that hit only one opponent and that is reliable late-game. (Geno beam is too weak , and Whirl only work on Culex and some exceptions lol ( Or maybe I just suck at timing hit ) ). Just wish he has a worse HP growth rate , like Peach.

 

[DaxMasterix]

I am the only one to think that Mario/Geno/Peach is such a stupidly strong Team in SMRPG?

Peach with Lazy Shell, right?

 

[Deleted member]

It's funny how the battle of the Square Enix rep has changed ever since Vergeben mentioned that Square Enix would be getting a new rep. At that time, it was Geno vs Sora, it then became Geno vs Dragon Quest, and now (I guess), the battle is Geno vs Neku lol

Edit: Not that I think that Neku is a very strong competitor for Geno, but it is a possibility with a small chance

 

[Loliko YnT]

Peach with Lazy Shell, right?

To be honest , I didn't got the lazy shell for Mario ( I threw the seed away like a DUMMY. ) and I don't even have the frying pan for Peach lol.
I got the best gloves weapon for Mario , and the Umbrella/best gloves for Peach.

Despise this , they are still a better Team than any other composition , even with Mallow and Bowser having their best weapons to be honest.

I think I'll redo a playthrough when I have the time , to get the lazy shell and try to use Bowser more . ( He was my least used character because I badly wanted to use Mallow and Geno first. Only switched to him when the other party members got a lvl up , I did my best to keep everyone at the same level.)

 

[domriver]

If you want to challenge yourself in Mario RPG just build a straight up Attack Power team, Mario/Bowser/Geno
see how far thats gets you xD. I need try this out. Without peach lots of game overs with Culex and Smith battles incoming.

 

[DaxMasterix]

To be honest , I didn't got the lazy shell for Mario ( I threw the seed away like a DUMMY. ) and I don't even have the frying pan for Peach lol.
I got the best gloves weapon for Mario , and the Umbrella/best gloves for Peach.

Despise this , they are still a better Team than any other composition , even with Mallow and Bowser having their best weapons to be honest.

I think I'll redo a playthrough when I have the time , to get the lazy shell and try to use Bowser more . ( He was my least used character because I badly wanted to use Mallow and Geno first. Only switched to him when the other party members got a lvl up , I did my best to keep everyone at the same level.)

I remember "challenge" myself on playing Mario Mallow Peach team until the end, what a great-old days.
btw, I'm playing armageddon v9 right now!

 

[Fatmanonice]

Peach is just kind of broken with the right armor. Group Hug is ridiculous to begin with as it heals and removes status effects, making all items except red essence obsolete plus Come Back makes pick-me-ups worthless too because you need just 1FP to do it plus it heals completely if timed right. Peach alone destroys the difficulty level of the game.

 

[Deleted member]

Crono- Owned by Armor Project, little recent Smash demand, last Chrono game on a Nintendo platform was the 2008 DS remake.

Chocobo/other Final Fantasy rep- there seems to be an unspoken rule that they try to do one unique character per third party franchise.

Sephiroth- see above plus, if Ridley was a pain to balance for Smash, this guy would be a nightmare. The Masamune is about 9 feet long if that gives you any idea. Even scaled down, it'd still need to noticeably be the longest sword in the game to be represented correctly. Remember, Ridley was scaled down but he's still the biggest character in the game, staying in character to the intended design.

Octopath rep- too new. If ARMS and Xenoblade were shut down for this, there's no way they'd make an exception for a third party that just released this year after E3.

Neku- Now THIS is an interesting suggestion. Was a DS exclusive for a long time and got a Switch remaster, doesn't have all the legal hangups as Sora despite coming from the same creator, has a brilliant soundtrack, and offers really unique moveset possibilities. The downside is that the game only did decently in North America at about half a million, more than 2/3rds of its global sales, with Japan being less than half, likely the reason the series was shelved for so long. Neku doesn't really have any demand either and is even kind of obscure to Japanese audiences. If he had demand he'd probably be a contender but it's simply not there.

Actually, about the third party companies only having one character per franchise, Ryu and Ken are playable (and I think Tails is likely for DLC), or does that statement apply as one unique character per third party franchise? I still think another FF character is unlikely due to the music tracks issue

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Actually, about the third party companies only having one character per franchise, Ryu and Ken are playable (and I think Tails is likely for DLC), or does that statement apply as one unique character per third party franchise? I still think another FF character is unlikely due to the music tracks issue

He literally said "unique character per third party franchise" in the post lmao. For a while it seemed like there'd be a pattern of two uniques and one echo for each third party to me, to the point where I thought we'd get shadow as a sonic echo, Geno as a unique, and Sora as an echo of cloud or something. Wishful thinking on my part.

 

[-Coco-]

I am the only one to think that Mario/Geno/Peach is such a stupidly strong Team in SMRPG?

Their only somewhat flaw is that only Mario has a one-target Magic/Special move (ultra jump) that do a lot of damage without costing too much FP (MP? I don't remember if It's flower points or Magic points) , but with Geno boost , Geno can just spam the regular attack with the star gun and do around the same damage.
You just gotta do some group hug from times to times , and you're fine. And pick me up cost so little coin so that , even if Peach die , you can quickly revive her.

Also , Peach is supposed to be the more frele party member , but in my case , since I carefully choosed the lvl up bonus , she ended up having 200HP at lvl 20! Mallow didn't have much more.

I know that SMRPG is a begginer friendly RPG , but I seriously wish they nerf Peach in some way , if we got a remake , she's just so broken.

I'm fine with Geno because , even while beeing strong , he doesn't have a strong Magic/special move that hit only one opponent and that is reliable late-game. (Geno beam is too weak , and Whirl only work on Culex and some exceptions lol ( Or maybe I just suck at timing hit ) ). Just wish he has a worse HP growth rate , like Peach.

It's the the best team in the game. Also Mario actually has a one target move that does lots of damage. His normal Jump ability gets stronger with every use. This caps out at 250. So essentially you have a special attack that has a base cost of 3 and a base damage of 250. Also if you want a more balanced game try the Mario RPG Revolution mod.

 

[ZelDan]

Actually, about the third party companies only having one character per franchise, Ryu and Ken are playable (and I think Tails is likely for DLC), or does that statement apply as one unique character per third party franchise? I still think another FF character is unlikely due to the music tracks issue

Yeah, he was only saying one unique, non-echo character per third party franchise. So unless they want to add Zack fair in Smash (which I don't really see happening), FF will likely only be Cloud.

 

[Deleted member]

He literally said "unique character per third party franchise" in the post lmao. For a while it seemed like there'd be a pattern of two uniques and one echo for each third party to me, to the point where I thought we'd get shadow as a sonic echo, Geno as a unique, and Sora as an echo of cloud or something. Wishful thinking on my part.

Yeah, he was only saying one unique, non-echo character per third party franchise. SO unless they want to add Zack fair in Smash (which I don't really see happening), FF will likely only be Cloud.

Thanks for the clarification

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Hitagi is saying one of the dlc is a sword weilder owned by Nintendo.

If hitagi is right, there is a chance ALL dlc is anime swordsmen (women).

Lol

 

[Sigran101]

Hitagi is saying one of the dlc is a sword weilder owned by Nintendo.

If hitagi is right, there is a chance ALL dlc is anime swordsmen (women).

Lol

How in the heck would Hitagi know that specifically? Like, either they'd know who it is and they'd say the name, or they wouldn't recognize the character and thus wouldn't know they were owned by Nintendo. I don't buy it. This isn't like "I know there's a character from this company" or "I know there's a character from this series". It's like "one of the characters uses kicking attacks" or "one of the characters is green".

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

How in the heck would Hitagi know that specifically? Like, either they'd know who it is and they'd say the name, or they wouldn't recognize the character and thus wouldn't know they were owned by Nintendo. I don't buy it. This isn't like "I know there's a character from this company" or "I know there's a character from this series". It's like "one of the characters uses kicking attacks" or "one of the characters is green".

They said they are excited for the character. They just didn't say who it was

 

[TheCJBrine]

How in the heck would Hitagi know that specifically? Like, either they'd know who it is and they'd say the name, or they wouldn't recognize the character and thus wouldn't know they were owned by Nintendo. I don't buy it. This isn't like "I know there's a character from this company" or "I know there's a character from this series". It's like "one of the characters uses kicking attacks" or "one of the characters is green".

Apparently there's a list of characters from people's posts I've read, so idk.

 

[FalconFire93]

I am the only one to think that Mario/Geno/Peach is such a stupidly strong Team in SMRPG?

Their only somewhat flaw is that only Mario has a one-target Magic/Special move (ultra jump) that do a lot of damage without costing too much FP (MP? I don't remember if It's flower points or Magic points) , but with Geno boost , Geno can just spam the regular attack with the star gun and do around the same damage.
You just gotta do some group hug from times to times , and you're fine. And pick me up cost so little coin so that , even if Peach die , you can quickly revive her.

Also , Peach is supposed to be the more frele party member , but in my case , since I carefully choosed the lvl up bonus , she ended up having 200HP at lvl 20! Mallow didn't have much more.

I know that SMRPG is a begginer friendly RPG , but I seriously wish they nerf Peach in some way , if we got a remake , she's just so broken.

I'm fine with Geno because , even while beeing strong , he doesn't have a strong Magic/special move that hit only one opponent and that is reliable late-game. (Geno beam is too weak , and Whirl only work on Culex and some exceptions lol ( Or maybe I just suck at timing hit ) ). Just wish he has a worse HP growth rate , like Peach.

It’s Flower Points, iirc, I forgot about how my exact party was when I first played it around maybe 10-11 years ago but I think my team was Mario/Geno/Peach and on the Smithy fight, I remember just wailing on him and then using Peach’s Group Hug and Therapy to heal members low in HP and also having a good stock of Pick Me Ups in case any of them were downed, but I’m planning to do another playthrough on the SNES Classic around Christmas, so it’s gonna be a fun time.

I’m still holding onto hope that one day we’ll get to see Geno in Smash in all his glory, even though certain YouTubers that I’ve heard are saying that he’s boring and only has his design going for him, that’s not even a good argument.

 

[Sigran101]

That makes more sense. If true I hope it's Elma. But I really hope it's not true.

 

[ZelDan]

It’s Flower Points, iirc, I forgot about how my exact party was when I first played it around maybe 10-11 years ago but I think my team was Mario/Geno/Peach and on the Smithy fight, I remember just wailing on him and then using Peach’s Group Hug and Therapy to heal members low in HP and also having a good stock of Pick Me Ups in case any of them were downed, but I’m planning to do another playthrough on the SNES Classic around Christmas, so it’s gonna be a fun time.

I’m still holding onto hope that one day we’ll get to see Geno in Smash in all his glory, even though certain YouTubers that I’ve heard are saying that he’s boring and only has his design going for him, that’s not even a good argument.

If a possessed doll wielding arm cannons, finger guns, laser beams and the power of skittles rainbows is boring then I want to know what their idea of "fun" is...

 

[FalconFire93]

If a possessed doll wielding arm cannons, finger guns, laser beams and the power of skittles rainbows is boring then I want to know what their idea of "fun" is...

Exactly, and also I guess they’re not paying attention to his story either. I especially like the lore surrounding him.

 

[Loliko YnT]

I remember "challenge" myself on playing Mario Mallow Peach team until the end, what a great-old days.
btw, I'm playing armageddon v9 right now!

Haha , I should try out a similar challenge Next time ! I tried leveling up everyone , because I thought there would be one point in the game that someone would get separated from the party , Guess I was wrong.
Oh , Iv'e saw some Armageddon videos ! Theses boss just look insanely powerful.

Peach is just kind of broken with the right armor. Group Hug is ridiculous to begin with as it heals and removes status effects, making all items except red essence obsolete plus Come Back makes pick-me-ups worthless too because you need just 1FP to do it plus it heals completely if timed right. Peach alone destroys the difficulty level of the game.

Group hug removing status effect for how low FP it need is ridiculous lol.
Iv'e just kept some pick me up in case Peach died or she didn't had enough FP for some reason.

It's the the best team in the game. Also Mario actually has a one target move that does lots of damage. His normal Jump ability gets stronger with every use. This caps out at 250. So essentially you have a special attack that has a base cost of 3 and a base damage of 250. Also if you want a more balanced game try the Mario RPG Revolution mod.

Ooooh , I didn't knew that ! Each time I used jump or another variant , After several timed hit , the sound effect changed , I thought it mean that I reached max damage and that any other jump was giving me more coin.

I'll see some videos on YouTube about this mod , my PC is very old and I don't think It can even run a SNES game and keep my save state properly lol.

Is the modding community of SMRPG still active today? The SMRPGs mods/hack video I saw were around 6-8 years old.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That makes more sense. If true I hope it's Elma. But I really hope it's not true.

He specifically mentioned he didn't hear anything about Elma.

My guess is fire emblem

 

[Deleted member]

It’s Flower Points, iirc, I forgot about how my exact party was when I first played it around maybe 10-11 years ago but I think my team was Mario/Geno/Peach and on the Smithy fight, I remember just wailing on him and then using Peach’s Group Hug and Therapy to heal members low in HP and also having a good stock of Pick Me Ups in case any of them were downed, but I’m planning to do another playthrough on the SNES Classic around Christmas, so it’s gonna be a fun time.

I’m still holding onto hope that one day we’ll get to see Geno in Smash in all his glory, even though certain YouTubers that I’ve heard are saying that he’s boring and only has his design going for him, that’s not even a good argument.

Don't let them bring your hope down, they are just salty Sora fans

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Hitagi is saying one of the dlc is a sword weilder owned by Nintendo.

If hitagi is right, there is a chance ALL dlc is anime swordsmen (women).

Lol

If it's FE I won't really mind tbh.

 

[Deleted member]

He specifically mentioned he didn't hear anything about Elma.

My guess is fire emblem

What about Mythra? (NO MORE FE)

 

[TheCJBrine]

If Hitagi is right, I expect Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, or Lizalfos from Zelda.

I feel like just waiting for official announcements, though; he said he heard nothing about Geno, Sora, nor any FF characters, which doesn't disconfirm them but still.

He may have also said no Nintendo characters, meaning this new character he heard of is recent info, but I'm not entirely sure if this is true; someone just mentioned this before.

I really only care about the SE character if it's Geno, the only other one that would interest me is Slime or maybe Crono or Robo.

 

[Loliko YnT]

Hitagi doesn't have any credibility concerning Smash leaks , since I don't think he leaked anything correctly yet.
Yeah , Vergeben is backing him up , but I think Hitagi is jumping onto conclusion. And he's kinda playing with us lol

We shouldn't worry about DLC leaks.

Even if one of the names that Nintendo proposed to Sakurai was somehow leaked , who know if Sakurai even accepted this character?

I think that "Square rep" and "Minecraft content" is a way lore logical leak , because Vergeben can hear something like "Nintendo going to see Square around the same time as Ultimate developpement".

Saying "Sword-wielder Nintendo character" mean It's either a more than secondary FE character only appearing in one game or that he's just making stuff up.

DLCs are way harder to leak than base game stuff. I'm sure that Square rep is the best we're going to get , except if Hitagi is a japanese employer at Nintendo with huges ties to Sakurai and was willing to throw his job away for some attention on the internet.

 

[DaxMasterix]

A sword weilder? I though it was Edelgard from Three Houses..

 

[Fatmanonice]

He specifically mentioned he didn't hear anything about Elma.

My guess is fire emblem

Only other character I can think of is the Hyrule Warriors version of Impa because, beyond that, we dive deep into "wow, who cares..." territory because they're either super obscure or nobody wants them.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Hitagi is legitimately starting to remind me of LOZ18 the way he just seems to come up with new info every day and now he's giving vague hints about things.

Do we really have to keep talking about everything he says just because Vergeben said he's somewhat credible like 4 months ago?

The dude hasn't called a single thing for this game yet, or any Nintendo game

 

[domriver]

A Sword weilder - thats like almost all of FE characters, Zelda characters maybe a champion? Xenoblades works as well - who else sword sword sword. hmmm
with our luck its going to be a Fire Emblem character xD!

 

[Deleted member]

Hitagi is legitimately starting to remind me of LOZ18 the way he just seems to come up with new info every day and now he's giving vague hints about things.

Do we really have to keep talking about everything he says just because Vergeben said he's somewhat credible like 4 months ago?

The dude hasn't called a single thing for this game yet, or any Nintendo game

I agree. I don't think he is nearly as credible as people make him out to be. He tries to mention the Square Enix character and he says a third-party character who has not appeared on Nintendo consoles and doesn't have much global demand is definitely coming, but then isn't sure