Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[EarlTamm]

Well, it could've been worse.

Just imagine if Nintendo never clarified that the franchise was third party. That would've made things much worse.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I’m still excited for TOK. I still think I’ll have fun, hopefully.

But the fact you start with thousands of coins even though everything is too cheap to matter to you much (even the expensive stuff since it seems you can just keep talkin’ the Monty Mole into lowering the price for some silly reason), it really dampened the mood. You may still have to do a few battles here and there to get some coins back, if the world doesn’t offer enough already, but idk, that just means just a few battles and the bosses will feel like balanced progression...

I also don’t understand why they’re not listing it as an RPG if it clearly still works like an RPG.

The Bakugan thing just made me think “boring” tbh; I think the series itself seems cool but it and never got me really excited and interested...

edit: okay I kinda understand the item from Monty Mole now since it’s something’s the koopas need and not an item you can use, but I still wish there was a minimum price that was higher than 1,000...

 

[okamifire]

I'm a huge fan of monster collection / fighting games, but the combat in this Bakugan game is so slow paced it feels. I'm sure 10 year old me would have loved it, but with the pacing of some of the games out nowadays, I think it might be a bit much of a drag for me now. Doesn't look like a terrible game though, just not for me. I'm sure it'll be good though, Wayforward has put out some solid stuff lately.

Now, hopefully onto July 20th with some Mario (and maybe Geno) news!

 

[EntropyAtrophy]

If they announce Geno on July 20th, that will make my 33rd birthday will be one of the best birthdays ever.

My username is my musician name. I don't know if it's okay to post links of my work since it's off-topic, but I am Entropy Atrophy on BandCamp :D

 

[Theguy123]

Apparently the live stream dropped around 30-40k views in less than 2 minutes after they showed off the wayforward game. Massive oof

 

[T2by4]

Apparently the live stream dropped around 30-40k views in less than 2 minutes after they showed off the wayforward game. Massive oof

It dropped by literally over half before it ended. I saw it go down as far 73k from the 150k it started with and it wasn't even wrapping up. It was bad.

 

[Theguy123]

It dropped by literally over half before it ended. I saw it go down as far 73k from the 150k it started with and it wasn't even wrapping up. It was bad.

massive yikes. The worst part off it all was it was Nintendo’s fault for setting everyone’s expectations up and ruining them. I did t expect much but damnnn Nintendo.

 

[GolisoPower]

We had a few too many ideas as to what this new WF game could be that we all got a bit attached to, and that's why the stream ended up dropping in views when the Bakugan game was revealed, I feel.

Remember: hype is a hell of a drug, boys and girls.

 

[RedMachine123]

THERE IS NO WARIO LAND JUST BAKUGAN

I'm not a fan of the series but personally I think it's cool to see another Bakugan game, I'm pretty sure that I have one of those somewhere in my house lol.

EDIT: FOUND IT!

Spoiler

 

[JarBear]

The real question is, if the 7/20 presentation is real ... will Nintendo be able to make up for their ... erm, under performance?

Of course this pandemic has really threw a wrench in the gears and has caused delays in such, but still, even announcing exciting things would be viewed as a good direction even if Nintendo says "TBD due to the Virus" or something. Let's see/hear some exciting stuff, even if we have to wait for it to be released much later than expected.

 

[Vector Victor]

Eh I didn't really care about Wayforward's announcement anyways

I wasn't expecting it to be big or anything, clearly not 1st party or earth shattering. But the fact they teased something new, showing along Paper Mario's stream, made me interested in at least seeing what it was.

So, I didn't go into this reveal with any expectations which meant I couldn't be disappointed, and I still came out of it disappointed. Really? That's a game you tease and want people to look at? This is literally something that would be revealed in the minor new game montage with little fanfare segment that they do at the end of Directs.

I'm really questioning the sanity of Nintendo's Marketing department this year. Do they even know how to spell 'business?'

 

[Nicnac]

Daaamn, Bakugan? That's a letdown to me. Hoping for the 20/7 news to be true.

 

[TheCJBrine]

The Bakugan game looks like something you’d see in commercials on the kids channels sometimes and almost nothing else.

I’m not normally bitter and negative like this so I apologize if I’m coming off that way I guess I’m just a bit cranky regarding this stuff for some reason...although it did sound kinda funny to post, no offense to the devs or anyone who likes it, idk just a tad bit of humor...

edit: okay I feel better now but the people bashing PM fans for criticizing TOK are still annoying.

 

[pinshadow]

Did they seriously fail to fix the Sticker Star problem for a THIRD TIME?

• All you get from battles is coins, no EXP
• The main use of coins is to do stuff IN BATTLES like extend the timer or call in the crowd
• So what is the point of battling?

There do seem to be a good amount of changes compared to Color Splash but the don't solve the core issue.

• You always have your main attacks, but all the other equipment has durability, meaning that while the whole "I don't want to use my stickers/cards in battle when I can just save them for a mandatory fight later" is only half fixed, it still de incentivizes using them outside of when the fights are mandatory.
• You get confetti from winning fights, but just like the paint in Color Splash it seems you can get a bunch of it from the Overworld as well so what is the point? Coins also seem to be found alot in the Overworld.
• You can use coins to buy accessories it seems which is cool but we have no clue how much they actually cost. Mario seems to already have like 7000 coins in the first areas of the game so that's really not a good sign.
• Battles seem to take longer as well due to the new ring system, and I'm not really sure how engaging it can be to do the exact same kind of puzzle for every battle in the game, which might lead to them being more tedious than anything else and just makes you want to avoid battles, which the game allows you to do it seems because there is no EXP system.

Just, uhhhhhggg. There is stuff I like here, the toads being the main collectable actually seems really charming and clever, they seem to be hidden all over the place in really interesting ways. I don't like how they seemingly refuse to give any characters besides the Toads a unique design but at least the dialogue is still sharp. I might hate how much the game leans into the Paper aesthetic, but that's more of a symptom of it being so far removed and different from what I actually like about Paper Mario. Being blunt, I'd prefer if they just made it an adventure game. Screw the half-baked RPG system, you don't seem to care about pleasing the fanbase anyway so completely throw it out and just focus on the world design, the puzzles, the character interactions. I feel like that would be alot more enjoyable.

 

[Andwooooo]

Lookin more and more like Nintendo’s 2020 E3 conference was going to be as bad as their 2008 one—where their big reveal was Wii Music—they’re probably relieved that E3 was canceled.

 

[Honest Slug]

The state of Mario RPGs is extremely dire right now.

For whatever reason Intelligent Systems seems extremely stubborn and the likelihood of Paper Mario ever becoming good again looks slimmer each game.

And Mario and Luigi? It don't even have the luxury of getting bad games, it isn't getting any games.

Maybe it's time to start hoping for Super Mario RPG 2 to come to the rescue because I think there's a 0% chance of Paper Mario going back to its roots under Tanabe. I tried to give TOK a chance but each time I see it I am left disappointed.

 

[pinshadow]

Lookin more and more like Nintendo’s 2020 E3 conference was going to be as bad as their 2008 one—where their big reveal was Wii Music—they’re probably relieved that E3 was canceled.

Why, because Nintendo decided to hype up a bad licensed anime game? Please. We don't know a single game that was meant to be at E3. This likely just got cobbled together when Nintendo remembered they needed to actually promote Origami King.

 

[Heoj]

The state of Mario RPGs is extremely dire right now.

For whatever reason Intelligent Systems seems extremely stubborn and the likelihood of Paper Mario ever becoming good again looks slimmer each game.

And Mario and Luigi? It don't even have the luxury of getting bad games, it isn't getting any games.

Maybe it's time to start hoping for Super Mario RPG 2 to come to the rescue because I think there's a 0% chance of Paper Mario going back to its roots under Tanabe. I tried to give TOK a chance but each time I see it I am left disappointed.

Yeh i was thinking the same, basically the only hope left for mario rpgs is super mario rpg

 

[Spatulo]

The Bakugan game was definitely going to be a Treehouse Live E3 reveal, probably a mid Thursday reveal. The only difference now is instead of that segment coming after we’ve all seen the E3 Direct, now it’s before it

 

[Teeb147]

The state of Mario RPGs is extremely dire right now.

For whatever reason Intelligent Systems seems extremely stubborn and the likelihood of Paper Mario ever becoming good again looks slimmer each game.

And Mario and Luigi? It don't even have the luxury of getting bad games, it isn't getting any games.

Maybe it's time to start hoping for Super Mario RPG 2 to come to the rescue because I think there's a 0% chance of Paper Mario going back to its roots under Tanabe. I tried to give TOK a chance but each time I see it I am left disappointed.

If anything, I think it's more chance for for Mario RPG to have a revival, since Paper Mario isn't filling that gap.

I love Mario RPG, and lots do, hopefully nintendo realizes there's demand for something like it.

 

[MarioTime]

Please Square save the Mario RPGs and give us another entry

 

[MattX20]

Let's just hope the July 20th Direct is not only real, but also loaded with more pleasant surprises

 

[Icewolff92]

The state of Mario RPGs is extremely dire right now.

For whatever reason Intelligent Systems seems extremely stubborn and the likelihood of Paper Mario ever becoming good again looks slimmer each game.

And Mario and Luigi? It don't even have the luxury of getting bad games, it isn't getting any games.

Maybe it's time to start hoping for Super Mario RPG 2 to come to the rescue because I think there's a 0% chance of Paper Mario going back to its roots under Tanabe. I tried to give TOK a chance but each time I see it I am left disappointed.

Paper Mario TOK looks way better than Sticker Star and Color Splash, and the latter is better than the former, so I don´t know. It certainly doesn´t look like it will return to form though that's for sure.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Paper Mario TOK looks way better than Sticker Star and Color Splash, and the latter is better than the former, so I don´t know. It certainly doesn´t look like it will return to form though that's for sure.

I think it's gonna be a super paper mario situation tbh. And I'm fine with it

 

[pinshadow]

Super Paper Mario was a traditional Paper Mario game in everything BUT gameplay. Same writing style, same tone, same kinds of interesting locations and characters, a more involved story that stepped out of line with the traditional Mario-fare, it feels like the first two. These modern games do not. Even if you gave Sticker Star or Color Splash the more traditional battle system they would still be inferior to those first three games. (Obviously brainstorming that also implies there would be partners but how do you even do that when every friendly character is a god damn toad).

Here's what Jeff Grubb had to say about the battle system, pretty bad sign.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Super Paper Mario was a traditional Paper Mario game in everything BUT gameplay. Same writing style, same tone, same kinds of interesting locations and characters, a more involved story that stepped out of line with the traditional Mario-fare, it feels like the first two. These modern games do not. Even if you gave Sticker Star or Color Splash the more traditional battle system they would still be inferior to those first three games. (Obviously brainstorming that also implies there would be partners but how do you even do that when every friendly character is a god damn toad).

Here's what Jeff Grubb had to say about the battle system, pretty bad sign.View attachment 277962

What you are describing, a paper mario game in everything but gameplay? I think that pretty much sums up this game, except it's actually closer in gameplay than super paper mario.

 

[MattX20]

Super Paper Mario was a traditional Paper Mario game in everything BUT gameplay. Same writing style, same tone, same kinds of interesting locations and characters, a more involved story that stepped out of line with the traditional Mario-fare, it feels like the first two. These modern games do not. Even if you gave Sticker Star or Color Splash the more traditional battle system they would still be inferior to those first three games. (Obviously brainstorming that also implies there would be partners but how do you even do that when every friendly character is a god damn toad).

Here's what Jeff Grubb had to say about the battle system, pretty bad sign.View attachment 277962

It's a sad state of affairs

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

Either way, I'm gonna sit back on TOK and wait for community input to pour in, I ain't exactly optimistic.

 

[domriver]

Just got a chance to watch the Nintendo Tree House i only watched up until the reveal of the new game. Clicked off. Bakugan does not interest me in any kind of way. Watching gameplay of Paper Mario - you know i feel like i need to buy the game ONLY to fill all those holes with confetti throughout the paper mario world. LOL Colored Pencil Boss and Tape Boss? I don't know I hope King Olly is super difficult hard to defeat. I may buy this. lol ..

ugh. Please Nintendo God's bless us with your stuff on July 20th! LOL

 

[Icewolff92]

It is supposed to be apart of an old "Iwata asks" with a major Paper Mario producer, and if this is true.... well... it explains so much

 

[super88cloud]

I chose sleeping over the treehouse announcement. I am laughing my ass off the Bakugan announcement. Remember guys, if the insiders make a list of who isn't, it's gonna be a dissapointment.
(Byleth,Bakugan)

 

[TheCJBrine]

If they just made Paper Mario actually match its new genre and be similar to how 3D Zelda plays then it'd be perfect if they really want to ditch the old RPG gameplay.

 

[MisterMike]

I chose sleeping over the treehouse announcement. I am laughing my ass off the Bakugan announcement. Remember guys, if the insiders make a list of who isn't, it's gonna be a dissapointment.
(Byleth,Bakugan)

And their names both start with a B...

 

[Vector Victor]

The reactions wouldn't be as bad if Nintendo wasn't doing a horrible job advertising themselves this year. You finally decide to announce something, have tens of thousands eyes on you, and THIS is what you use that previous time for? They thought this required its own showcase. DKC coming to NSO would have been a much better idea to announce here.

All the insiders can keep hint hint nudge nudging all these potential big plans Nintendo has this year all they want, because right now Nintendo themselves is saying that they have nothing.

 

[Teeb147]

If they just made Paper Mario actually match its new genre and be similar to how 3D Zelda plays then it'd be perfect if they really want to ditch the old RPG gameplay.

Makes me wonder if Paper Mario is in a kind of personality crisis
I thought maybe i'd be biased about there being no xp, since I really love rpg elements, but seeing so many people not glad about it does make me wonder if maybe Nintendo hasn't thought it through. If you only get money from the battles, and that's the incentive, then what's the point in also making so many battle mechanics use up money?

I like the idea of it being more like Zelda, but then it wouldn't be unique. Puzzle battles is a bit new. Some people enjoy solving puzzles, so I think anyone who likes puzzle mechanics could hav fun.

 

[AugustusB]

Makes me wonder if Paper Mario is in a kind of personality crisis
I thought maybe i'd be biased about there being no xp, since I really love rpg elements, but seeing so many people not glad about it does make me wonder if maybe Nintendo hasn't thought it through. If you only get money from the battles, and that's the incentive, then what's the point in also making so many battle mechanics use up money?

I like the idea of it being more like Zelda, but then it wouldn't be unique. Puzzle battles is a bit new. Some people enjoy solving puzzles, so I think anyone who likes puzzle mechanics could hav fun.

It almost feels as if they are trying to make a new mechanic work within this series. I like puzzles so this kind of catches my attention, but as a BIG RPG guy, the no experience points leaves no incentive to do battles. I really like the idea of puzzle battles (Turn based combat to a new level) and makes this unique. It is not an RPG and we have to live with that. Now hopefully, Nintendo and Square are in REALLY good terms now that...oh you know...they could make a Mario RPG game.

 

[super88cloud]

The reactions wouldn't be as bad if Nintendo wasn't doing a horrible job advertising themselves this year. You finally decide to announce something, have tens of thousands eyes on you, and THIS is what you use that previous time for? They thought this required its own showcase. DKC coming to NSO would have been a much better idea to announce here.

All the insiders can keep hint hint nudge nudging all these potential big plans Nintendo has this year all they want, because right now Nintendo themselves is saying that they have nothing.

I remember the wii Years, terrible years for being a nintendo fan. Most e3´s after Brawl sucked. It also made me trade a wii for a psp and a dreamcast in hope of better games.
I´m gonna make a DOWNER e3 prediction:
New Smash fighter is a pokemon.
Mario collection is just a bunch of ports, not remade in the new oddysey engine.
No MP4 teaser.
No Bayo teaser,
Pikmin 3 port.
Zelda collection Port.
Some Fit Ring game or a switch cardboard game.
Doom eternal trailer, release date.
A bunch of third party games that most people say eh.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Makes me wonder if Paper Mario is in a kind of personality crisis
I thought maybe i'd be biased about there being no xp, since I really love rpg elements, but seeing so many people not glad about it does make me wonder if maybe Nintendo hasn't thought it through. If you only get money from the battles, and that's the incentive, then what's the point in also making so many battle mechanics use up money?

I like the idea of it being more like Zelda, but then it wouldn't be unique. Puzzle battles is a bit new. Some people enjoy solving puzzles, so I think anyone who likes puzzle mechanics could hav fun.

I think the new stuff is interesting including the battle system, but I'm so afraid it's going to all feel pointless like everyone is saying. The stuff that costs money seems too cheap, and it looked like they started the first area with 7000 coins. Rupees are also easy to get in Zelda, but the gameplay and how you progress makes everything feel good and balanced, meanwhile this money system in Paper Mario looks kinda disappointing (and in Zelda you have to go out of your way to do stuff to get rupees, so even if they're easy to get and stock up on, it's not like the game is giving them to you)...there's still the bosses you have to beat, of course, but that's about it. Why have enemies you can't just whack without an RPG battle sequence if you can just run past them and be just as effective at progressing through the area and still have a bunch of coins and confetti for stuff?

Zelda also has you running past enemies, but some are at least in your way or annoying to keep around in some situations (and are sometimes required to beat even if not a boss or mini-boss, like some rooms with Boes in Majora's Mask), and drop stuff like arrows and magic bottles and whatever so you can restock without running back to a store, them sometimes dropping health too so you can heal if you can beat them easily.

But, maybe I'll have fun and it'll all feel good, I don't know. I didn't play Color Splash, and got too bored to keep playing after the first level or so in Sticker Star when I was around 13 years old, so it's not like I have much experience with the new direction IS is taking...

 

[Let Geno Smash]

Let's just hope the July 20th Direct is not only real, but also loaded with more pleasant surprises

Kelios said that even he don't know nothing about the direct, he think that the people should have little hopes

 

[Penguinbowler]

Sticker Star really messed this franchise up, and the fact Intsys still doesn't know what Regular Combat is for is kinda concerning. I don't care how cool the boss fights are, if there is no reason for me to fight the regular enemies your combat system sucks because 90% of all the fights the player will get into are against regular enemies.