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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Yeah to think we’re close to him getting in is surreal.

Going to legit shout and scream Geno FINALLY or something. But I’m excited I have no idea 7 will be announced I think it’s Geno I hope we’re just months away from him finally being in Super Smash Bros.
 
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MattX20

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Even if CacoMallow doesn't happen, there are a lot of other points to Geno's favor, so I'm not hinging on that one aspect of speculation
 

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At this point in time in which Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is at the start of its second fighters pass, and after having watched Best Guy Ever's "Why Smash Matters" video, a few things started to click in regards to the immediate future of the second fighters pass. As it's been discussed on this thread, Geno's chances of making it into the roster (and much sooner than later) seem to have reached an all time high that can be perceived by those who have been following his support throughout all this time. However, I came close to realizing that all of the coincidences that have surfaced throughout the years (recent years) for Geno seem more like the manifestation of causality (for the time that's the word I could find that encapsulates the piling of coincidences).
  • The added attention to the Geno Mii Costume in Smash 4, along with the track of Beware the Forest Mushrooms
  • The Nintendo Tweet asking to answer whether we're Team Mallow, or Team Geno
  • The absence of the Geno Mii Costume in Ultimate
  • The absence of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars on the SNES NSO Library (despite it having been added to the SNES Classic)
  • Sakurai having gone on record stating that at one point he wanted to add Geno to the roster (I believe it was around the time of Brawl?)
That, and other coincidences coming from fans (like the latest Mega Smash Poll done by Source Gaming) seem to have rather been a stockpiling of events that may eventually (or most certainly) end up in materializing Geno's inclusion to the roster. Heck, before I went to sleep last night, the following thought came to mind. Know how in Super Mario RPG there's this hidden Casino? Typically when one thinks of casinos, one thinks of cards (Black Jack, Poker), and slot machines. In slot machines usually the jackpot is associated with lining up three 7s. A coincidence of numbers that has been entertained in recent days has been the potential announcement of Challenger Pack 7 being announced on the 7th of July (which is the 7th month). Huh... you got three sevens there. Oh, but wait, if we consider that the character in CP 7 will be the 77th fighter, we actually have five sevens. Well, what do you know? Some slot machines also are known to line up five icons/symbols. And if that weren't enough, five be the points of a star. Seven have been the total of DLC fighters added to Ultimate thus far. Say causality felt like rolling the three (or five) sevens this upcoming July 7th to reveal Geno, we'd potentially be either getting the prize around that same time, or... around Mario's 35th anniversary celebrations (around September). Either way, it could be that they'd set CP 7s release date for Summer (just like Hero, which covered June up to September, but ended up releasing by the end of July).

Following up from September, as some have discussed that by then we might be seeing the return of Nintendo Directs, it wouldn't seem to out there to believe that it would be then that we would see who CP 8 would be. Yesterday, along with the reveal of Min Min, in a separate presentation (that being Summer Games Fest), we were shown the official announcement and gameplay footage for Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time. Although at the moment the game will be releasing for PS4 and XBOX One, similar to the N'Sane Trilogy, a Switch version is certainly inbound in a later date. Such an announcement would be fitting within a Nintendo Direct... in September; a great time to announce the eight DLC fighter. Rumblings of Crash potentially making it into the roster have also been discussed previously, and last night while checking in with the Crash support thread, I read the transcript from the Toys for Bob interview and noticed an eye-catching detail. Despite this title being positioned and purposely numbered Crash Bandicoot 4, taking place right after the events of Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped; the devs acknowledge that this game is technically the eight entry in the series. Since the game will delve on the topic of time travel, and there being the presence of a multiverse, the other Crash Bandicoot games remain canon to the story. Going back a bit; Crash Bandicoot 4 is the eight entry in the series.

Crackpot thought: 8 / 4 = 2; the Second Fighters Pass. Alternatively 4 x 2 = 8; the eight Challenger Pack. Alternatively 8 / 2 = 4; Crash Bandicoot 4.

Jokes aside (or are they?), as with Geno and CP 7, I noticed a similar sequence of coincidental events with Crash and what seems to be his pack; Challenger Pack 8 (coming as early as the N Sane Trilogy's original announcement back in Sony's E3 2016 presentation). The Crash Bandicoot franchise is not done with its momentum of coming back strong, and what better way to solidify his legacy than joining Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, what as many have agreed, has become the manifestation of a gaming hall of fame.

So far this has been the rummaging pondering of a gaming lore-junkie. In regards to coincidental numbers and events, the future of Challenger Packs 9 through 11 aren't quite clear yet (imo), however there are some names that have gained strength in their possibilities of joining the fray. Namely... one slayer of demons whose title's release date has mysteriously not been announced yet. Albeit if the causality of numbers were to be brought into play for CP 9, two characters (both slayers of demons) resonate with the reference of the Nine Circles of Hell, which are described in the literary masterpiece of Dante's Inferno. I admit however that perhaps it's too soon to tie-in the nature of CP 9, but this could perhaps serve as a lead. It'll be a matter of which will come first; DOOM Eternal, or Devil May Cry 4?
 

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I wonder if Min Min's 8.0 update will bring any changes/hints within the code? I highly doubt codename hints will ever pop up again, but maybe some changes with the dummy slots or something else to that effect? I mean we already have that Ness glitch (though, to be frank, I'm not entirely convinced that means anything substantial). What do you all think?
 

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I wonder if Min Min's 8.0 update will bring any changes/hints within the code? I highly doubt codename hints will ever pop up again, but maybe some changes with the dummy slots or something else to that effect? I mean we already have that Ness glitch (though, to be frank, I'm not entirely convinced that means anything substantial). What do you all think?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the glitches due to faulty SD cards? I know that was the case with a Duck Hunt/Mii Swordfighter glitch way back when.
 

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I wonder if Min Min's 8.0 update will bring any changes/hints within the code? I highly doubt codename hints will ever pop up again, but maybe some changes with the dummy slots or something else to that effect? I mean we already have that Ness glitch (though, to be frank, I'm not entirely convinced that means anything substantial). What do you all think?
I miss the good old days when a new patch meant incriminating evidence within the code. You know, like how data miners used to find codenames embedded in the character slots?

Data Miner: "Hmmmmm a new character name was just added to the fighter #7 slot.......'Smithy's Bane'? Who the hell could THAT be?"
 
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Hey all!

Not sure if you guys remember me, but I used to post here months ago. I went by "WaniiZ". I used to post here frequently, until things turned toxic very fast. Not by us, mind you - by others outside of this thread. Death threats, insults, off-site harassment - they were all there.

I wasn't in a good state back then, and I was letting things get to my head too easily. It got so bad to the point where I just didn't want to participate in Smash speculation because of it - I requested an account deletion from the admins because I knew things weren't going to get better.

I was thinking about returning for a while now, but then I saw Ovaltine return to the thread, and I'm happy she's back. It's nice to see a community still stand strong, despite everything.

So, just to catch up on things, here are my thoughts. This is going to be a lengthy post, so apologies in advance.

MIN MIN

SPIRITS DON'T DECONFIRM!

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. And Min Min is a great character to break that dumb fan-rule. Funny, I was playing her non-stop just a day before the ARMS reveal to prepare myself, and there she was! I knew it was her going into that presentation, and I'm super glad it was. She looks incredible.

I'm already guessing I'm going to suck so hard at playing her. I can't play complex characters to save my life - I learned that first-hand with Megaman.

It also deconfirms the dumb side-character argument.

CACOMALLOW

Cacomallow is about 75% real, with the other 25% being fake. I've still yet to see any mods that can match the head-shape right, without it looking off. Although I haven't checked in a while. I'm still concerned about the interview with ID, more than anything else.

It'll definitely be a hit to me because I'm a fan of both Doom and Geno (though I'll happily take the Chief if Doom doesn't make it in, they're equal in my books) but I'll get over it, if it's fake it's fake. If it's real, then it's real. Yadda yadda.

MII COSTUMES

VAULT BOY

Vault Boy costume! Definitely a highlight. I wanted some sort of Bethesda content, and of all things Fallout was just that. I love Fallout, so that was a pleasant surprise to see. I think it hits Cacomallow's chances slightly, but not that much for reasons I listed above.

MISCELLANEOUS

Heihachi returned on his own. That means we have Lloyd and Gil left. I think the "you can't have one Mii costume on it's own" is a fan-rule, because they do save costumes for later. Just because we got Ubisoft costumes first doesn't mean Rayman's deconfirmed, for example. ARMS already deconfirmed this in my eyes because we got everything BUT the playable character first for that series. There'll likely be more Namco content coming.

So people saying Cacomallow is deconfirmed because of Vault Boy showing up is a bit iffy to me. It's entirely possible that Bethesda will likely want more content in Smash, and Vault Boy was just the first step in that. Elder Scrolls or even DOOM is next for sure. I'd be fine with either/or.

Even if we don't get the Cacodemon Mii costume, we'll likely get something else Bethesda-related. A B.J. Blazokowicz Mii costume, for example. If they can get Fallout (which is already gritty enough) they can for sure get something Wolfenstein-related. Maybe even a Dragonborn/Doomguy costume if we don't get them as playable characters.

GENO

Now for the main event. I'm more confident than ever in Geno's chances, and I won't let anyone convince me otherwise. Now that all other dumb excuses are thrown out the window for Geno (spirits deconfirm, can only be the protagonist, etc etc.) let's move on to the big one standing in his way.

His existence. I've heard time and time again that Geno just appeared in one game twenty years ago as a "side character" (despite being the driving point of SMRPG's plot) and he shouldn't be in because of that. In my eyes, that's a bigger reason to support him. Smash is all about bringing back characters from the "dead" - Banjo, K Rool, R.O.B, Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt..

Imagine if Shadow stayed dead in SA2. Let's imagine he wasn't brought back from Heroes onwards (because of fan demand, no less!) Where would the Sonic fanbase be? Wouldn't people then be saying Shadow appeared in only one game twenty years ago? Wouldn't you want a cool character like Shadow to come back as well? He made an impact on you when playing SA2. You loved playing as him, seeing his story. But Sega wanted him to stay gone.

That's what Geno feels like to me. It's exactly WHY I want Geno to come back. He only appeared in one game because he had no other choice - he was a Square character, and Nintendo/Square were on bad terms. If they had bothered to bring him back like with Shadow, he would have staying power in the same vein Waluigi does.

Let's use another example. Didn't Mighty and Ray only exist in one game from twenty years ago? Last time we saw Mighty was in Knuckles Chaotix. Last time we saw Ray however, was in SegaSonic - three years older than Super Mario RPG!

Despite this, they're now a staying part of the fanbase. If they had bothered to continue with the SMRPG characters, I think they'll be held in the same regard as Mighty and Ray are now.

That's my take on things. I want Geno to come back BECAUSE of who he is. You take a cool-looking, unique character that has never been seen before in a Mario game, and you practically leave that character to rot.

If Geno isn't allowed in, why are people requesting characters like Ninten, Kumatora, Takamaru, Sukapon - they've only had one game to pick from. Kumatora isn't even the main character, Lucas is. What about the Masked Man? He's a villain from a 14-year old game. Why are those characters okay, when Geno isn't? I've even seen it with Dimentio. Why is Dimentio, a villain from a 12-year old game that is very likely a one-off, okay when Geno isn't? Fawful is the same way. He was lucky to see a return in Bowser's Inside Story, and even then that game is only a year older than Super Paper Mario. He hasn't returned since.

Personally, I'd happily accept those characters. But it's not fair to strike out a character because of one rule, but advocate for another character that follows the same reasoning for why that character can't get in. It always felt like gate-keeping to me. Something the Smash community is practically famous for.

One game isn't enough for him. At the very least, SMRPG is deserving of a sequel - or Smash representation. Since AlphaDream is up in the air, let's just go with Smash representation for now. That's the best we can hope for.

It worked with Pit, didn't it?

EXTRA THOUGHTS

Colour Theory is a bit silly, but holy heck is the seven-stars thing so coincidential. Matches it to a tee. Not to mention the weird "7" thing going on with CP7 that PapaGenos pointed out, although I don't think it means much, Geno-related. It could easily mean something else, like Chief. Bungie was obsessed with the number 7 in particular, to the point where July 7th was referred to as Bungie Day. I remember hopping on to Valhalla and seeing the easter egg on the wall.

That said, the numbers are sketchy, to say the least. It's definitely something to take note of, and it's definitely a Sakurai thing to do - considering he was messing around with binary in Byleth's presentation, and having fun with the slinky in the ARMS presentation. There's always something that makes us go "Oh, that Sakurai!" like a comedy sitcom.
 
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I could very easily be wrong, but I have a strong feeling that Geno will be coming along with these other three (as well as another Nintendo Fighter). How would you guys feel about this?
Let's see...

Chief? Check.
Geno? Check.
Crash? Check.

My personal top three added? Oh, I would pay a ton for those characters, stages, and music.
 

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Do you guys think Nintendo ever has people watching us in this thread or Smashboards in general? I don't remember if it was Fatman or someone else that said someone from Nintendo mentioned in a interview or article back during Brawl about Smashboards. Basically acknowledging this site's existence back when it wasn't the giant it is now.
 

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Cacomallow does way more for Doomguy than it does for Geno. Good thing we're getting 'em both.
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MattX20

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Hey all!

Not sure if you guys remember me, but I used to post here months ago. I went by "WaniiZ". I used to post here frequently, until things turned toxic very fast. Not by us, mind you - by others outside of this thread. Death threats, insults, off-site harassment - they were all there.

I wasn't in a good state back then, and I was letting things get to my head too easily. It got so bad to the point where I just didn't want to participate in Smash speculation because of it - I requested an account deletion from the admins because I knew things weren't going to get better.

I was thinking about returning for a while now, but then I saw Ovaltine return to the thread, and I'm happy she's back. It's nice to see a community still stand strong, despite everything.

So, just to catch up on things, here are my thoughts. This is going to be a lengthy post, so apologies in advance.

MIN MIN

SPIRITS DON'T DECONFIRM!

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. And Min Min is a great character to break that dumb fan-rule. Funny, I was playing her non-stop just a day before the ARMS reveal to prepare myself, and there she was! I knew it was her going into that presentation, and I'm super glad it was. She looks incredible.

I'm already guessing I'm going to suck so hard at playing her. I can't play complex characters to save my life - I learned that first-hand with Megaman.

It also deconfirms the dumb side-character argument.

CACOMALLOW

Cacomallow is about 75% real, with the other 25% being fake. I've still yet to see any mods that can match the head-shape right, without it looking off. Although I haven't checked in a while. I'm still concerned about the interview with ID, more than anything else.

It'll definitely be a hit to me because I'm a fan of both Doom and Geno (though I'll happily take the Chief if Doom doesn't make it in, they're equal in my books) but I'll get over it, if it's fake it's fake. If it's real, then it's real. Yadda yadda.

MII COSTUMES

VAULT BOY

Vault Boy costume! Definitely a highlight. I wanted some sort of Bethesda content, and of all things Fallout was just that. I love Fallout, so that was a pleasant surprise to see. I think it hits Cacomallow's chances slightly, but not that much for reasons I listed above.

MISCELLANEOUS

Heihachi returned on his own. That means we have Lloyd and Gil left. I think the "you can't have one Mii costume on it's own" is a fan-rule, because they do save costumes for later. Just because we got Ubisoft costumes first doesn't mean Rayman's deconfirmed, for example. ARMS already deconfirmed this in my eyes because we got everything BUT the playable character first for that series. There'll likely be more Namco content coming.

So people saying Cacomallow is deconfirmed because of Vault Boy showing up is a bit iffy to me. It's entirely possible that Bethesda will likely want more content in Smash, and Vault Boy was just the first step in that. Elder Scrolls or even DOOM is next for sure. I'd be fine with either/or.

Even if we don't get the Cacodemon Mii costume, we'll likely get something else Bethesda-related. A B.J. Blazokowicz Mii costume, for example. If they can get Fallout (which is already gritty enough) they can for sure get something Wolfenstein-related. Maybe even a Dragonborn/Doomguy costume if we don't get them as playable characters.

GENO

Now for the main event. I'm more confident than ever in Geno's chances, and I won't let anyone convince me otherwise. Now that all other dumb excuses are thrown out the window for Geno (spirits deconfirm, can only be the protagonist, etc etc.) let's move on to the big one standing in his way.

His existence. I've heard time and time again that Geno just appeared in one game twenty years ago as a "side character" (despite being the driving point of SMRPG's plot) and he shouldn't be in because of that. In my eyes, that's a bigger reason to support him. Smash is all about bringing back characters from the "dead" - Banjo, K Rool, R.O.B, Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt..

Imagine if Shadow stayed dead in SA2. Let's imagine he wasn't brought back from Heroes onwards (because of fan demand, no less!) Where would the Sonic fanbase be? Wouldn't people then be saying Shadow appeared in only one game twenty years ago? Wouldn't you want a cool character like Shadow to come back as well? He made an impact on you when playing SA2. You loved playing as him, seeing his story. But Sega wanted him to stay gone.

That's what Geno feels like to me. It's exactly WHY I want Geno to come back. He only appeared in one game because he had no other choice - he was a Square character, and Nintendo/Square were on bad terms. If they had bothered to bring him back like with Shadow, he would have staying power in the same vein Waluigi does.

Let's use another example. Didn't Mighty and Ray only exist in one game from twenty years ago? Last time we saw Mighty was in Knuckles Chaotix. Last time we saw Ray however, was in SegaSonic - three years older than Super Mario RPG!

Despite this, they're now a staying part of the fanbase. If they had bothered to continue with the SMRPG characters, I think they'll be held in the same regard as Mighty and Ray are now.

That's my take on things. I want Geno to come back BECAUSE of who he is. You take a cool-looking, unique character that has never been seen before in a Mario game, and you practically leave that character to rot.

If Geno isn't allowed in, why are people requesting characters like Ninten, Kumatora, Takamaru, Sukapon - they've only had one game to pick from. Kumatora isn't even the main character, Lucas is. What about the Masked Man? He's a villain from a 14-year old game. Why are those characters okay, when Geno isn't? I've even seen it with Dimentio. Why is Dimentio, a villain from a 12-year old game that is very likely a one-off, okay when Geno isn't? Fawful is the same way. He was lucky to see a return in Bowser's Inside Story, and even then that game is only a year older than Super Paper Mario. He hasn't returned since.

Personally, I'd happily accept those characters. But it's not fair to strike out a character because of one rule, but advocate for another character that follows the same reasoning for why that character can't get in. It always felt like gate-keeping to me. Something the Smash community is practically famous for.

One game isn't enough for him. At the very least, SMRPG is deserving of a sequel - or Smash representation. Since AlphaDream is up in the air, let's just go with Smash representation for now. That's the best we can hope for.

It worked with Pit, didn't it?

EXTRA THOUGHTS

Colour Theory is a bit silly, but holy heck is the seven-stars thing so coincidential. Matches it to a tee. Not to mention the weird "7" thing going on with CP7 that PapaGenos pointed out, although I don't think it means much, Geno-related. It could easily mean something else, like Chief. Bungie was obsessed with the number 7 in particular, to the point where July 7th was referred to as Bungie Day. I remember hopping on to Valhalla and seeing the easter egg on the wall.

That said, the numbers are sketchy, to say the least. It's definitely something to take note of, and it's definitely a Sakurai thing to do - considering he was messing around with binary in Byleth's presentation, and having fun with the slinky in the ARMS presentation. There's always something that makes us go "Oh, that Sakurai!" like a comedy sitcom.
Welcome back, good sir
 

Firox

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Do you guys think Nintendo ever has people watching us in this thread or Smashboards in general? I don't remember if it was Fatman or someone else that said someone from Nintendo mentioned in a interview or article back during Brawl about Smashboards. Basically acknowledging this site's existence back when it wasn't the giant it is now.
I don't know if they're watching or not, but I heard a rumor someplace that said that adding Geno to Smash can guarantee a developer a life of prosperity and salvation after you die. Sounds pretty credible to me.....
 

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That's fine if you disagree. But this is a discussion and that would be more useful to me if you could tell me why this argument isn't relevant to you.
Because it's not relevant to me or mostly anyone here. Do you think you're the first person or even within the first 100 people to come to this thread and present the "b-b-but, muh relevancy!!!" argument in regards to Smash? You'd have to be naive to believe you're saying anything new or exciting to us.

Do you guys think Nintendo ever has people watching us in this thread or Smashboards in general? I don't remember if it was Fatman or someone else that said someone from Nintendo mentioned in a interview or article back during Brawl about Smashboards. Basically acknowledging this site's existence back when it wasn't the giant it is now.
Nintendo doesn't have "people" watching over us, I don't think. Having folks lurk the forms on an individual basis isn't the best use of company time. However, they and/or an ad firm they're partnered with probably deploy bots to crawl over various page on the internet, including this one, and collect instances of phrases/words/hashtags that they then turn over to an analytical department. This department will then gauge interest in characters/events/games/etc using the collective data.

I used to work in Advertising and was close enough to the folks doing this sort of work to know how it would be conducted most effectively. So things like #Geno trending on twitter the day Min Min is revealed is stuff they'd be paying attention to/be talking about.
 
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Midna's helmet is a hat and they likely didn't make a body suit for obvious reasons. Same with Dixie, same with Bandana Dee.

-Essentially creating a nude suit for Midna. The fact that Midna basically has the body of a little girl pushes that into NOPENOPENOPE territory.

-Creating a bottomless body suit with a woman's shirt for Dixie. Imagine putting Veronica or Ashley's wig on this and why the developers likely noped the **** out of that decision too.
First off, Midna doesn't have visible genitals of any kind, despite what R34 might tell you. Secondly, Midna isn't a child, she a fully grown woman. Third, we've had plenty of character outfits over the years for characters who have no pants such as K. Rool, Knuckles, Tails, Geno, and K.K. Slider. A full body Midna or Dixie Kong suit wouldn't be any different compared to those. And fourth, we already have these characters in-game as Spirits or Assist Trophies and neither of these appearances bumped up the game's age rating.

Like I get that CERO is a ***** to work around, but if there's no inherent sexual content on these characters then it should be entirely fine.

On the topic of Mii costumes, we collectively know as a fanbase it's bad news bears when they show up before the characters being playable. It's why the fanbase collectively clenches its buttcheeks when the next Mii costume wave is announced. We know... I know the fanbase kind of has this "daddy's just going to the store to get cigarettes" mentality about it but we've known as a fanbase since 2015 that a Mii costume appearance is all but GG for a character's chances.
True, but that only really applies to Mii Costumes that show up in the waves. Base game Costumes and Assist Trophies, much like base game Spirits, can be considered fair game since they were decided upon long before Vol.2 was in production. I'd also extend this to the Rex Mii Costume since it was added as consolation for not being able to add him in as a fighter due to XC2 not being in a playable enough state for Sakurai to visualize a moveset for him.

I could very easily be wrong, but I have a strong feeling that Geno will be coming along with these other three (as well as another Nintendo Fighter). How would you guys feel about this?
Wouldn't complain. I like Crash, and I've got nothing against Dante or Master Chief.
 

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I don't really know the technical side of things but are Ness's eyes "real" or are they a graphic/texture? I can't imagine Ness has honest to god eye models but I suppose it's a venue worth exploring, just to note the various examples in the game and what they look like. From my garbage, untrained eye, the characters that seem to have "flat" eyes are:

-Kirby
-Pikachu
-Captain Falcon
-Jigglypuff
-Ice Climbers
-Pichu
-Metaknight
-Squirtle
-Lucas
-Olimar
-Toon Link
-Villager
-Miis
-Pac-Man
-Bowser Jr
-Isabelle
 

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Just saw this recently. Obviously I don't really believe text leaks, but it does give us something to talk about. The trailer being an ARMS brawl with Min Min winning was commonly guessed, but the thing that gets me is that it was accurate about Heihachi and Vault Boy ending up as a mii costume. Now Heihachi as a costume really wasn't an uncommon thought, Vault Boy was definitely something a lot of people didn't expect but it was definitely in the realm of possibility. I do expect Dovahkiin in the future, it's a much bigger series then fallout and on top of that it's clearly important enough for Nintendo to reveal alongside the Switch. It just makes sense that if they got Vault Boy, they got Dovahkiin. Kunio makes sense after the spirit event, and Frogger as a costume isn't really all that unexpected.

If this is going to end up being a "1st party" dominated pass. A pokemon character does make a lot of sense; even if it got spirited, they could end up using pokemon DLC as spirits/characters. But even then pokemon is a decently common guess too.

Really the kicker here is if there ends up being a future Deus Ex event. I don't really see that series getting talked about at all in terms of Smash, so it would definitely be shocking for it to get a spirit event. This year is the 20th anniversary (it is in fact today) of the series after all, and it is owned by Square Enix now. They've already put out Trials of Mana spirits, so its not impossible but guessing a Vault Boy costume plus a Deus Ex spirit event is pretty unlikely.

That said, even if it turns out to be real; a lot of people have brought up the fact that its possible for Geno's costume to return with a playable Geno, so its not really deconfirming a potential Geno (though I would worry a bit if Deus Ex is a spirit event and Geno isn't confirmed). Really the biggest thing this would confirm if it ended up being true is that a pokemon character is coming.
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Thoughts? Like I said, I personally don't believe it at all unless a Deus Ex spirit event is confirmed.
 

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Geno is more likely then ever, but thinking he's guaranteed a spot is a bit much. there are 5 slots left and a lot of characters who could potentially fill those slots, especially with spirits deconfirm being dead. Shantae, Shovel Knight, Rayman, Bandana Dee, Rex, all those characters got a huge jump in probability as well, this isn't even counting characters that suspiciously lack spirits, like Porky, Sylux, and Adelaine, or popular 3rd party request like Doomguy, Crash and Steve.

Geno got a major victory here, but that doesn't mean he is guaranteed to appear. His biggest Advantage over the rest was he was considered for Brawl and Sm4sh, but that just means he was likely considered, which tbf is more then most video game characters likely had. There are to many missing pieces to this puzzle for any certainty to be had.

It's alright to hope, but don't go hyping yourself up for something without some seriously hard evidence, you could just be setting yourself up to be disappointing by something you may have enjoyed.

That leak had some things that kinda scare me, describing what the trailer is like and properly guessing the vault boy skin and heihachi...

I won't put faith in it until we either get a pokemon character or deus ex event occurs, but it does scare me.
 
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Third, we've had plenty of character outfits over the years for characters who have no pants such as K. Rool, Knuckles, Tails, Geno, and K.K. Slider. A full body Midna or Dixie Kong suit wouldn't be any different compared to those.
Yeah, no pants isn't a big deal if there's no genitals either. You didn't hear people complaining about Krool's...ahem...blunderbuss.

That said, even if it turns out to be real; a lot of people have brought up the fact that its possible for Geno's costume to return with a playable Geno, so its not really deconfirming a potential Geno (though I would worry a bit if Deus Ex is a spirit event and Geno isn't confirmed). Really the biggest thing this would confirm if it ended up being true is that a pokemon character is coming.
If Nintendo were to shill Pokemon at the expense of Geno, I'd be so pissed.
 
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Just saw this recently. Obviously I don't really believe text leaks, but it does give us something to talk about. The trailer being an ARMS brawl with Min Min winning was commonly guessed, but the thing that gets me is that it was accurate about Heihachi and Vault Boy ending up as a mii costume. Now Heihachi as a costume really wasn't an uncommon thought, Vault Boy was definitely something a lot of people didn't expect but it was definitely in the realm of possibility. I do expect Dovahkiin in the future, it's a much bigger series then fallout and on top of that it's clearly important enough for Nintendo to reveal alongside the Switch. It just makes sense that if they got Vault Boy, they got Dovahkiin. Kunio makes sense after the spirit event, and Frogger as a costume isn't really all that unexpected.

If this is going to end up being a "1st party" dominated pass. A pokemon character does make a lot of sense; even if it got spirited, they could end up using pokemon DLC as spirits/characters. But even then pokemon is a decently common guess too.

Really the kicker here is if there ends up being a future Deus Ex event. I don't really see that series getting talked about at all in terms of Smash, so it would definitely be shocking for it to get a spirit event. This year is the 20th anniversary (it is in fact today) of the series after all, and it is owned by Square Enix now. They've already put out Trials of Mana spirits, so its not impossible but guessing a Vault Boy costume plus a Deus Ex spirit event is pretty unlikely.

That said, even if it turns out to be real; a lot of people have brought up the fact that its possible for Geno's costume to return with a playable Geno, so its not really deconfirming a potential Geno (though I would worry a bit if Deus Ex is a spirit event and Geno isn't confirmed). Really the biggest thing this would confirm if it ended up being true is that a pokemon character is coming.
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Thoughts? Like I said, I personally don't believe it at all unless a Deus Ex spirit event is confirmed.
Seems like that leak was already deconfirmed on the Discord. They're definitely just bringing things out of a hat with stuff like the Dragonborn Mii costume. Though if Fallout can get in, Deus Ex wouldn't be too far out.

Also the (Smdik) at the top.
 
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Shouldn’t we all know better not to even bring up random “leaks” from 4chan?
 

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>Random 4chan "leak" that guesses at things that were common to guess at during that period of speculation
It's fake.

Shouldn’t we all know better not to even bring up random “leaks” from 4chan?
Yes, but that doesn't stop some people it seems. Gonna say now, I'd rather not talk about anything than have to discuss yet another 4chan "leak".
 

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Shouldn’t we all know better not to even bring up random “leaks” from 4chan?
Wasn't there that one text leak that said Ken and Incineroar would be the last 2 fighters?

But yeah, trusting leaks blindly is a bad idea, this person could have just gotten lucky. Still it makes me a bit concerned do to guessing 3 of the big hype things in the last video.
 

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Just saw this recently. Obviously I don't really believe text leaks, but it does give us something to talk about. The trailer being an ARMS brawl with Min Min winning was commonly guessed, but the thing that gets me is that it was accurate about Heihachi and Vault Boy ending up as a mii costume. Now Heihachi as a costume really wasn't an uncommon thought, Vault Boy was definitely something a lot of people didn't expect but it was definitely in the realm of possibility. I do expect Dovahkiin in the future, it's a much bigger series then fallout and on top of that it's clearly important enough for Nintendo to reveal alongside the Switch. It just makes sense that if they got Vault Boy, they got Dovahkiin. Kunio makes sense after the spirit event, and Frogger as a costume isn't really all that unexpected.

If this is going to end up being a "1st party" dominated pass. A pokemon character does make a lot of sense; even if it got spirited, they could end up using pokemon DLC as spirits/characters. But even then pokemon is a decently common guess too.

Really the kicker here is if there ends up being a future Deus Ex event. I don't really see that series getting talked about at all in terms of Smash, so it would definitely be shocking for it to get a spirit event. This year is the 20th anniversary (it is in fact today) of the series after all, and it is owned by Square Enix now. They've already put out Trials of Mana spirits, so its not impossible but guessing a Vault Boy costume plus a Deus Ex spirit event is pretty unlikely.

That said, even if it turns out to be real; a lot of people have brought up the fact that its possible for Geno's costume to return with a playable Geno, so its not really deconfirming a potential Geno (though I would worry a bit if Deus Ex is a spirit event and Geno isn't confirmed). Really the biggest thing this would confirm if it ended up being true is that a pokemon character is coming.
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Thoughts? Like I said, I personally don't believe it at all unless a Deus Ex spirit event is confirmed.
I swear it would suck hard if Geno's costume comes back and we don't get playable Geno after all this waiting and speculating for 2 years. If that is the case, they should have just brought the costume back in Hero's pack and rip the bandage off early. I don't think this leak is real, but damn I would absolutely hate for it to be.
 
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Shouldn’t we all know better not to even bring up random “leaks” from 4chan?
>Random 4chan "leak" that guesses at things that were common to guess at during that period of speculation
It's fake.


Yes, but that doesn't stop some people it seems. Gonna say now, I'd rather not talk about anything than have to discuss yet another 4chan "leak".
Oh no, like I said I don't really buy it at all. But it does give us something new to talk about rather than just circling over the exact same points for the next couple weeks. Besides, it does have some slight merit to it; even if it largely does not mean anything.
 
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Wasn't there that one text leak that said Ken and Incineroar would be the last 2 fighters?

But yeah, trusting leaks blindly is a bad idea, this person could have just gotten lucky. Still it makes me a bit concerned do to guessing 3 of the big hype things in the last video.
When did this leak exist? I think there is a good chance that this “leak” piggybacked from Vergeben.
 
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Cacomallow does way more for Doomguy than it does for Geno. Good thing we're getting 'em both.
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I actually disagree with that. If real, the Cacodemon and Mallow mii costumes don't imply anything other than their own existence. I think we should only really start making assumptions/guesses on playable characters if there are other rumors or information out there for them to go along with the leak. Cacomallow is notable for Geno because it's one flake in a whole blizzard of facts and coincidences that seem to be in Geno's favor. Again, Geno certainly isn't guaranteed, but Cacomallow is just another leg for him to stand on. For Doomguy, he really doesn't have any rumors or history of Sakurai bias or recent coincidences going in his favor which makes it a little hard to spin a web connecting that the costume means he is probably coming as playable. In short, I feel like if these costumes exist they mean "hm?" for Doomguy and "HMMMMMM" for Geno. That's just my take though and I'd like Doomguy in
 
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That leak disconfirming Geno is fake, someone searched the post number on the 4chan archive sites and it doesn't exist. It was someone faking the fake leak itself, lol.

Also, the time stamp is weird. 25th hour?
 
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Thoughts? Like I said, I personally don't believe it at all unless a Deus Ex spirit event is confirmed.
This was confirmed to be fake.
Mii Costumes are a dead giveaway, it spitballed Vault boy and Dragonborn costumes and got it one right, also a damn Frogger costume.

Also, "Pokemon character"
We aren't getting a Pokemon rep.

It's fake, it just had lucky guesses, which isn't too uncommon for these 4chan wishlists.


That leak disconfirming Geno is fake, someone searched the post number on the 4chan archive sites and it doesn't exist. It was someone faking the fake leak itself, lol.
This too.
 
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Look man... I'm just talking in terms of probability and telling you to not expect a baby elephant for Christmas does not make me an asshole like you're implying. Plus, the spirit thing was always dumb...

-Literally a PNG.
-Technically was broken way back in Smash 4 when Mewtwo and Lucas went from trophies to playable in the same game.

One is a picture. One is a functional, controllable model. Mii costumes are the most consolation prize of all the consolation prizes, even more so than assist trophies for this reason. Is it possible for Mii costumes to be promoted in the same game? Yes. Likely? Probably not and, contrary to popular belief, me saying "don't hold your breath" isn't the same as "KYS." It's just a probability thing.
Doesn't this disregard the possibility of AT promotions as well? They're all functional models as well, just with a very basic AI pattern slapped on them. And IIRC, you also said yourself that ATs were considered consolation prizes and Nintendo was legitimately shocked when they saw people mad over them.
 

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Do you guys think Nintendo ever has people watching us in this thread or Smashboards in general? I don't remember if it was Fatman or someone else that said someone from Nintendo mentioned in a interview or article back during Brawl about Smashboards. Basically acknowledging this site's existence back when it wasn't the giant it is now.
most large corperations have people keeping an eye on what people are saying about them, so they know what people want, smashboards would fall under this, namely before the games release, or around the time a new character comes out, not sure if they have someone that does just this site all the time though, I imagine they have to keep an eye on a few sites
 

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I don´t understand the whole model glitch theory. Heard the theory that Bayo was glitching and people were speculating twintelle, cuz of the hair powers.
But it´s not really done so much though.
I'll try to explain.
DLCs are made from scratch, but that doesn't prevent them from being created with an existing character that serves as a base, either because they physically resemble each other or may have similar animations and attacks (I even think Sakurai said that Ike was the base of Cloud , I do not remember well). With this in mind, some rare glitches have been happening to certain characters since last year, as far as i know they were perfectly fine.
-Link had some strange glitches before the arrival of the Hero (physically similar characters, both use a sword and a shield).
-Duck Hunt had them before Banjo (Similar characters, both are a duo)
-Simon Belmnont had them before Byleth ( Whip, tether recovery? Idk)
-Bayonetta, which when executing a forward smash after being hit, fully retained her clothes, yesterday we saw Min Min, a female character who attacks with kicks and her huge arms, certainly there´s a similar skill to Bayonetta, when you execute Smash atacks and mantain the button pressed you can shoot laser beams, in the same way that when executing attacks you can shoot bullets with Bayonetta.

Now there´s a Ness glitch, it could either be any mistake, or it could be the basis of a future character.
During the glitch Ness loses his eyes, my theory is that maybe they could be working on Porky, they are characters from the same franchise, they are even rivals, children of the same age with the same aesthetics that could attack with a yo-yo, slingshots or other toys.

Being Porky a character that has no eyes (because his hair covers his entire face) it seems logical to me, but as I said, I don't know anything about datamining, programming or such things.
 
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Bungie Day is 7/7... FASCINATING.

I’ve given credence to Cacomallow but I’ve also considered that Cacodemon’s Mii Hat could be consolation for MASTER CHIEF making it in over Doomguy (a Doomguy Mii Costume would share too much resemblance with Master Chief).

I’ve long thought our huge ‘E3 Fighter Reveal’ would be a double reveal with GENO as our #77 coupled with Chief or Doomguy.

Bungie day coinciding perfectly with my suspected “Lucky 7’s” or “Number Theory” for our Starboi is rather interesting, isn’t it.

I totally love the 7 Stars Color Theory too, it’s all just too neat... the signs are in the stars Genodom!!!
 

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If there are any hints toward future DLC characters through glitches, there's a good chance we'll see new glitches with the next update when MinMin launches next week. Until then, we wait
 

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That leak disconfirming Geno is fake, someone searched the post number on the 4chan archive sites and it doesn't exist. It was someone faking the fake leak itself, lol.

Also, the time stamp is weird. 25th hour?
That is why I love 4Chan's Post ID/Search features. It allows you to filter through stuff like this easily.
 

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So not even a day later after 'Spirits Deconfirm' has been officially unquestionably debunked, the relevancy argument is being pushed again?

Can detractors please take a vacation already, even if its just a few days? Can they (are they able to stop) obsessing over Geno for just a few days?
 
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