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Just go on gamefaqs and type vergeben and click on the latest post that he was on and scroll up the comments a bit and you’ll see it.Mind if I ask where he posted it or a link to it?
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Just go on gamefaqs and type vergeben and click on the latest post that he was on and scroll up the comments a bit and you’ll see it.Mind if I ask where he posted it or a link to it?
It can be fake and it would barely make a dent in everything going for him.Even if CacoMallow doesn't happen, there are a lot of other points to Geno's favor, so I'm not hinging on that one aspect of speculation
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the glitches due to faulty SD cards? I know that was the case with a Duck Hunt/Mii Swordfighter glitch way back when.I wonder if Min Min's 8.0 update will bring any changes/hints within the code? I highly doubt codename hints will ever pop up again, but maybe some changes with the dummy slots or something else to that effect? I mean we already have that Ness glitch (though, to be frank, I'm not entirely convinced that means anything substantial). What do you all think?
I miss the good old days when a new patch meant incriminating evidence within the code. You know, like how data miners used to find codenames embedded in the character slots?I wonder if Min Min's 8.0 update will bring any changes/hints within the code? I highly doubt codename hints will ever pop up again, but maybe some changes with the dummy slots or something else to that effect? I mean we already have that Ness glitch (though, to be frank, I'm not entirely convinced that means anything substantial). What do you all think?
Let's see...I could very easily be wrong, but I have a strong feeling that Geno will be coming along with these other three (as well as another Nintendo Fighter). How would you guys feel about this?
Welcome back, good sirHey all!
Not sure if you guys remember me, but I used to post here months ago. I went by "WaniiZ". I used to post here frequently, until things turned toxic very fast. Not by us, mind you - by others outside of this thread. Death threats, insults, off-site harassment - they were all there.
I wasn't in a good state back then, and I was letting things get to my head too easily. It got so bad to the point where I just didn't want to participate in Smash speculation because of it - I requested an account deletion from the admins because I knew things weren't going to get better.
I was thinking about returning for a while now, but then I saw Ovaltine return to the thread, and I'm happy she's back. It's nice to see a community still stand strong, despite everything.
So, just to catch up on things, here are my thoughts. This is going to be a lengthy post, so apologies in advance.
MIN MIN
SPIRITS DON'T DECONFIRM!
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. And Min Min is a great character to break that dumb fan-rule. Funny, I was playing her non-stop just a day before the ARMS reveal to prepare myself, and there she was! I knew it was her going into that presentation, and I'm super glad it was. She looks incredible.
I'm already guessing I'm going to suck so hard at playing her. I can't play complex characters to save my life - I learned that first-hand with Megaman.
It also deconfirms the dumb side-character argument.
CACOMALLOW
Cacomallow is about 75% real, with the other 25% being fake. I've still yet to see any mods that can match the head-shape right, without it looking off. Although I haven't checked in a while. I'm still concerned about the interview with ID, more than anything else.
It'll definitely be a hit to me because I'm a fan of both Doom and Geno (though I'll happily take the Chief if Doom doesn't make it in, they're equal in my books) but I'll get over it, if it's fake it's fake. If it's real, then it's real. Yadda yadda.
MII COSTUMES
VAULT BOY
Vault Boy costume! Definitely a highlight. I wanted some sort of Bethesda content, and of all things Fallout was just that. I love Fallout, so that was a pleasant surprise to see. I think it hits Cacomallow's chances slightly, but not that much for reasons I listed above.
MISCELLANEOUS
Heihachi returned on his own. That means we have Lloyd and Gil left. I think the "you can't have one Mii costume on it's own" is a fan-rule, because they do save costumes for later. Just because we got Ubisoft costumes first doesn't mean Rayman's deconfirmed, for example. ARMS already deconfirmed this in my eyes because we got everything BUT the playable character first for that series. There'll likely be more Namco content coming.
So people saying Cacomallow is deconfirmed because of Vault Boy showing up is a bit iffy to me. It's entirely possible that Bethesda will likely want more content in Smash, and Vault Boy was just the first step in that. Elder Scrolls or even DOOM is next for sure. I'd be fine with either/or.
Even if we don't get the Cacodemon Mii costume, we'll likely get something else Bethesda-related. A B.J. Blazokowicz Mii costume, for example. If they can get Fallout (which is already gritty enough) they can for sure get something Wolfenstein-related. Maybe even a Dragonborn/Doomguy costume if we don't get them as playable characters.
GENO
Now for the main event. I'm more confident than ever in Geno's chances, and I won't let anyone convince me otherwise. Now that all other dumb excuses are thrown out the window for Geno (spirits deconfirm, can only be the protagonist, etc etc.) let's move on to the big one standing in his way.
His existence. I've heard time and time again that Geno just appeared in one game twenty years ago as a "side character" (despite being the driving point of SMRPG's plot) and he shouldn't be in because of that. In my eyes, that's a bigger reason to support him. Smash is all about bringing back characters from the "dead" - Banjo, K Rool, R.O.B, Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt..
Imagine if Shadow stayed dead in SA2. Let's imagine he wasn't brought back from Heroes onwards (because of fan demand, no less!) Where would the Sonic fanbase be? Wouldn't people then be saying Shadow appeared in only one game twenty years ago? Wouldn't you want a cool character like Shadow to come back as well? He made an impact on you when playing SA2. You loved playing as him, seeing his story. But Sega wanted him to stay gone.
That's what Geno feels like to me. It's exactly WHY I want Geno to come back. He only appeared in one game because he had no other choice - he was a Square character, and Nintendo/Square were on bad terms. If they had bothered to bring him back like with Shadow, he would have staying power in the same vein Waluigi does.
Let's use another example. Didn't Mighty and Ray only exist in one game from twenty years ago? Last time we saw Mighty was in Knuckles Chaotix. Last time we saw Ray however, was in SegaSonic - three years older than Super Mario RPG!
Despite this, they're now a staying part of the fanbase. If they had bothered to continue with the SMRPG characters, I think they'll be held in the same regard as Mighty and Ray are now.
That's my take on things. I want Geno to come back BECAUSE of who he is. You take a cool-looking, unique character that has never been seen before in a Mario game, and you practically leave that character to rot.
If Geno isn't allowed in, why are people requesting characters like Ninten, Kumatora, Takamaru, Sukapon - they've only had one game to pick from. Kumatora isn't even the main character, Lucas is. What about the Masked Man? He's a villain from a 14-year old game. Why are those characters okay, when Geno isn't? I've even seen it with Dimentio. Why is Dimentio, a villain from a 12-year old game that is very likely a one-off, okay when Geno isn't? Fawful is the same way. He was lucky to see a return in Bowser's Inside Story, and even then that game is only a year older than Super Paper Mario. He hasn't returned since.
Personally, I'd happily accept those characters. But it's not fair to strike out a character because of one rule, but advocate for another character that follows the same reasoning for why that character can't get in. It always felt like gate-keeping to me. Something the Smash community is practically famous for.
One game isn't enough for him. At the very least, SMRPG is deserving of a sequel - or Smash representation. Since AlphaDream is up in the air, let's just go with Smash representation for now. That's the best we can hope for.
It worked with Pit, didn't it?
EXTRA THOUGHTS
Colour Theory is a bit silly, but holy heck is the seven-stars thing so coincidential. Matches it to a tee. Not to mention the weird "7" thing going on with CP7 that PapaGenos pointed out, although I don't think it means much, Geno-related. It could easily mean something else, like Chief. Bungie was obsessed with the number 7 in particular, to the point where July 7th was referred to as Bungie Day. I remember hopping on to Valhalla and seeing the easter egg on the wall.
That said, the numbers are sketchy, to say the least. It's definitely something to take note of, and it's definitely a Sakurai thing to do - considering he was messing around with binary in Byleth's presentation, and having fun with the slinky in the ARMS presentation. There's always something that makes us go "Oh, that Sakurai!" like a comedy sitcom.
I don't know if they're watching or not, but I heard a rumor someplace that said that adding Geno to Smash can guarantee a developer a life of prosperity and salvation after you die. Sounds pretty credible to me.....Do you guys think Nintendo ever has people watching us in this thread or Smashboards in general? I don't remember if it was Fatman or someone else that said someone from Nintendo mentioned in a interview or article back during Brawl about Smashboards. Basically acknowledging this site's existence back when it wasn't the giant it is now.
Because it's not relevant to me or mostly anyone here. Do you think you're the first person or even within the first 100 people to come to this thread and present the "b-b-but, muh relevancy!!!" argument in regards to Smash? You'd have to be naive to believe you're saying anything new or exciting to us.That's fine if you disagree. But this is a discussion and that would be more useful to me if you could tell me why this argument isn't relevant to you.
Nintendo doesn't have "people" watching over us, I don't think. Having folks lurk the forms on an individual basis isn't the best use of company time. However, they and/or an ad firm they're partnered with probably deploy bots to crawl over various page on the internet, including this one, and collect instances of phrases/words/hashtags that they then turn over to an analytical department. This department will then gauge interest in characters/events/games/etc using the collective data.Do you guys think Nintendo ever has people watching us in this thread or Smashboards in general? I don't remember if it was Fatman or someone else that said someone from Nintendo mentioned in a interview or article back during Brawl about Smashboards. Basically acknowledging this site's existence back when it wasn't the giant it is now.
First off, Midna doesn't have visible genitals of any kind, despite what R34 might tell you. Secondly, Midna isn't a child, she a fully grown woman. Third, we've had plenty of character outfits over the years for characters who have no pants such as K. Rool, Knuckles, Tails, Geno, and K.K. Slider. A full body Midna or Dixie Kong suit wouldn't be any different compared to those. And fourth, we already have these characters in-game as Spirits or Assist Trophies and neither of these appearances bumped up the game's age rating.Midna's helmet is a hat and they likely didn't make a body suit for obvious reasons. Same with Dixie, same with Bandana Dee.
-Essentially creating a nude suit for Midna. The fact that Midna basically has the body of a little girl pushes that into NOPENOPENOPE territory.
-Creating a bottomless body suit with a woman's shirt for Dixie. Imagine putting Veronica or Ashley's wig on this and why the developers likely noped the **** out of that decision too.
True, but that only really applies to Mii Costumes that show up in the waves. Base game Costumes and Assist Trophies, much like base game Spirits, can be considered fair game since they were decided upon long before Vol.2 was in production. I'd also extend this to the Rex Mii Costume since it was added as consolation for not being able to add him in as a fighter due to XC2 not being in a playable enough state for Sakurai to visualize a moveset for him.On the topic of Mii costumes, we collectively know as a fanbase it's bad news bears when they show up before the characters being playable. It's why the fanbase collectively clenches its buttcheeks when the next Mii costume wave is announced. We know... I know the fanbase kind of has this "daddy's just going to the store to get cigarettes" mentality about it but we've known as a fanbase since 2015 that a Mii costume appearance is all but GG for a character's chances.
Wouldn't complain. I like Crash, and I've got nothing against Dante or Master Chief.I could very easily be wrong, but I have a strong feeling that Geno will be coming along with these other three (as well as another Nintendo Fighter). How would you guys feel about this?
Cacomallow does way more for Doomguy than it does for Geno. Good thing we're getting 'em both.
Yeah, no pants isn't a big deal if there's no genitals either. You didn't hear people complaining about Krool's...ahem...blunderbuss.Third, we've had plenty of character outfits over the years for characters who have no pants such as K. Rool, Knuckles, Tails, Geno, and K.K. Slider. A full body Midna or Dixie Kong suit wouldn't be any different compared to those.
If Nintendo were to shill Pokemon at the expense of Geno, I'd be so pissed.That said, even if it turns out to be real; a lot of people have brought up the fact that its possible for Geno's costume to return with a playable Geno, so its not really deconfirming a potential Geno (though I would worry a bit if Deus Ex is a spirit event and Geno isn't confirmed). Really the biggest thing this would confirm if it ended up being true is that a pokemon character is coming.
Seems like that leak was already deconfirmed on the Discord. They're definitely just bringing things out of a hat with stuff like the Dragonborn Mii costume. Though if Fallout can get in, Deus Ex wouldn't be too far out.Just saw this recently. Obviously I don't really believe text leaks, but it does give us something to talk about. The trailer being an ARMS brawl with Min Min winning was commonly guessed, but the thing that gets me is that it was accurate about Heihachi and Vault Boy ending up as a mii costume. Now Heihachi as a costume really wasn't an uncommon thought, Vault Boy was definitely something a lot of people didn't expect but it was definitely in the realm of possibility. I do expect Dovahkiin in the future, it's a much bigger series then fallout and on top of that it's clearly important enough for Nintendo to reveal alongside the Switch. It just makes sense that if they got Vault Boy, they got Dovahkiin. Kunio makes sense after the spirit event, and Frogger as a costume isn't really all that unexpected.
If this is going to end up being a "1st party" dominated pass. A pokemon character does make a lot of sense; even if it got spirited, they could end up using pokemon DLC as spirits/characters. But even then pokemon is a decently common guess too.
Really the kicker here is if there ends up being a future Deus Ex event. I don't really see that series getting talked about at all in terms of Smash, so it would definitely be shocking for it to get a spirit event. This year is the 20th anniversary (it is in fact today) of the series after all, and it is owned by Square Enix now. They've already put out Trials of Mana spirits, so its not impossible but guessing a Vault Boy costume plus a Deus Ex spirit event is pretty unlikely.
That said, even if it turns out to be real; a lot of people have brought up the fact that its possible for Geno's costume to return with a playable Geno, so its not really deconfirming a potential Geno (though I would worry a bit if Deus Ex is a spirit event and Geno isn't confirmed). Really the biggest thing this would confirm if it ended up being true is that a pokemon character is coming.
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Thoughts? Like I said, I personally don't believe it at all unless a Deus Ex spirit event is confirmed.
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Thoughts?
Yes, but that doesn't stop some people it seems. Gonna say now, I'd rather not talk about anything than have to discuss yet another 4chan "leak".Shouldn’t we all know better not to even bring up random “leaks” from 4chan?
Wasn't there that one text leak that said Ken and Incineroar would be the last 2 fighters?Shouldn’t we all know better not to even bring up random “leaks” from 4chan?
I swear it would suck hard if Geno's costume comes back and we don't get playable Geno after all this waiting and speculating for 2 years. If that is the case, they should have just brought the costume back in Hero's pack and rip the bandage off early. I don't think this leak is real, but damn I would absolutely hate for it to be.Just saw this recently. Obviously I don't really believe text leaks, but it does give us something to talk about. The trailer being an ARMS brawl with Min Min winning was commonly guessed, but the thing that gets me is that it was accurate about Heihachi and Vault Boy ending up as a mii costume. Now Heihachi as a costume really wasn't an uncommon thought, Vault Boy was definitely something a lot of people didn't expect but it was definitely in the realm of possibility. I do expect Dovahkiin in the future, it's a much bigger series then fallout and on top of that it's clearly important enough for Nintendo to reveal alongside the Switch. It just makes sense that if they got Vault Boy, they got Dovahkiin. Kunio makes sense after the spirit event, and Frogger as a costume isn't really all that unexpected.
If this is going to end up being a "1st party" dominated pass. A pokemon character does make a lot of sense; even if it got spirited, they could end up using pokemon DLC as spirits/characters. But even then pokemon is a decently common guess too.
Really the kicker here is if there ends up being a future Deus Ex event. I don't really see that series getting talked about at all in terms of Smash, so it would definitely be shocking for it to get a spirit event. This year is the 20th anniversary (it is in fact today) of the series after all, and it is owned by Square Enix now. They've already put out Trials of Mana spirits, so its not impossible but guessing a Vault Boy costume plus a Deus Ex spirit event is pretty unlikely.
That said, even if it turns out to be real; a lot of people have brought up the fact that its possible for Geno's costume to return with a playable Geno, so its not really deconfirming a potential Geno (though I would worry a bit if Deus Ex is a spirit event and Geno isn't confirmed). Really the biggest thing this would confirm if it ended up being true is that a pokemon character is coming.
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Thoughts? Like I said, I personally don't believe it at all unless a Deus Ex spirit event is confirmed.
Shouldn’t we all know better not to even bring up random “leaks” from 4chan?
Oh no, like I said I don't really buy it at all. But it does give us something new to talk about rather than just circling over the exact same points for the next couple weeks. Besides, it does have some slight merit to it; even if it largely does not mean anything.>Random 4chan "leak" that guesses at things that were common to guess at during that period of speculation
It's fake.
Yes, but that doesn't stop some people it seems. Gonna say now, I'd rather not talk about anything than have to discuss yet another 4chan "leak".
When did this leak exist? I think there is a good chance that this “leak” piggybacked from Vergeben.Wasn't there that one text leak that said Ken and Incineroar would be the last 2 fighters?
But yeah, trusting leaks blindly is a bad idea, this person could have just gotten lucky. Still it makes me a bit concerned do to guessing 3 of the big hype things in the last video.
I actually disagree with that. If real, the Cacodemon and Mallow mii costumes don't imply anything other than their own existence. I think we should only really start making assumptions/guesses on playable characters if there are other rumors or information out there for them to go along with the leak. Cacomallow is notable for Geno because it's one flake in a whole blizzard of facts and coincidences that seem to be in Geno's favor. Again, Geno certainly isn't guaranteed, but Cacomallow is just another leg for him to stand on. For Doomguy, he really doesn't have any rumors or history of Sakurai bias or recent coincidences going in his favor which makes it a little hard to spin a web connecting that the costume means he is probably coming as playable. In short, I feel like if these costumes exist they mean "hm?" for Doomguy and "HMMMMMM" for Geno. That's just my take though and I'd like Doomguy inCacomallow does way more for Doomguy than it does for Geno. Good thing we're getting 'em both.
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This was confirmed to be fake.Thoughts? Like I said, I personally don't believe it at all unless a Deus Ex spirit event is confirmed.
This too.That leak disconfirming Geno is fake, someone searched the post number on the 4chan archive sites and it doesn't exist. It was someone faking the fake leak itself, lol.
Doesn't this disregard the possibility of AT promotions as well? They're all functional models as well, just with a very basic AI pattern slapped on them. And IIRC, you also said yourself that ATs were considered consolation prizes and Nintendo was legitimately shocked when they saw people mad over them.Look man... I'm just talking in terms of probability and telling you to not expect a baby elephant for Christmas does not make me an asshole like you're implying. Plus, the spirit thing was always dumb...
-Literally a PNG.
-Technically was broken way back in Smash 4 when Mewtwo and Lucas went from trophies to playable in the same game.
One is a picture. One is a functional, controllable model. Mii costumes are the most consolation prize of all the consolation prizes, even more so than assist trophies for this reason. Is it possible for Mii costumes to be promoted in the same game? Yes. Likely? Probably not and, contrary to popular belief, me saying "don't hold your breath" isn't the same as "KYS." It's just a probability thing.
most large corperations have people keeping an eye on what people are saying about them, so they know what people want, smashboards would fall under this, namely before the games release, or around the time a new character comes out, not sure if they have someone that does just this site all the time though, I imagine they have to keep an eye on a few sitesDo you guys think Nintendo ever has people watching us in this thread or Smashboards in general? I don't remember if it was Fatman or someone else that said someone from Nintendo mentioned in a interview or article back during Brawl about Smashboards. Basically acknowledging this site's existence back when it wasn't the giant it is now.
I'll try to explain.I don´t understand the whole model glitch theory. Heard the theory that Bayo was glitching and people were speculating twintelle, cuz of the hair powers.
But it´s not really done so much though.
That is why I love 4Chan's Post ID/Search features. It allows you to filter through stuff like this easily.That leak disconfirming Geno is fake, someone searched the post number on the 4chan archive sites and it doesn't exist. It was someone faking the fake leak itself, lol.
Also, the time stamp is weird. 25th hour?