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Geno is definitely quite niche and has very little legacy. Even though they are less "fitting" for Smash, all of Snake/Bayonetta/Joker/Banjo were better in these aspects. That would be quite bold to disagree with this.
Oh hey, look, gatekeeping, something I've pointed out many times in the past and gotten scoffed at over.
That was in reference to Smash 4's base roster, you chopped off most of the answer to that question to take it out of context, and if they're going to add any Namco-Bandai character to a game like Smash Bros., the first choice is almost certainly going to be Pac-Man. (picking anyone else would be like picking any character but Sonic for the first Sega character)
Wow, this is actually pretty wild.
I mean, Sakurai considered making Geno a fighter in Brawl so I guess that he was a great candidate too.
Yeah, and spirits were a way to enjoy characters other than fighters. And by this logic, if Midna is unlikely because she has a (non-existent) Mii hat, then Waluigi is also unlikely because he has a Mii hat too. Look, I get what are you trying to say, Waluigi is more likely to be promoted than any other assist trophy (except Isaac maybe) and that's probably true, however, you can't make up fan rules like "Mii costumes deconfirm" whose reasoning is the same as why spirits supposedly deconfirmed, because we all know how that went.
This just seems like gatekeeping or moving the goalposts, especially when we just had an ARMS presentation where the main character (or at least the face of the game and the first character on the select screen) was left out and one of the others was included instead.
So you're going to conveniently ignore the fact that Banjo is not only owned by a rival company but also that he's got ZERO future (hence legacy) with Nintendo? Or that Snake is now basically from a dead franchise (since Konami ****ed up the Metal Gear franchise)? Since you want to nitpick terminologies, "legacy" can be a very subjective word. It can refer to both the past AND the future, one of which you can't possibly predict, and both of which are regarded by personal biases. Geno has a sizeable fan legacy dating all the way back to 1996. Who the hell are you to call it "little"? What would you consider "big" that fits Banjo, Ness, ROB or Wii fit trainer into the narrative?
But these are LITERALLY just fan rules. 24 hours ago you were celebrating the death of one of the biggest ones, and now you’re spreading new ones yourself? Everyone could say having a spirit made a character unlikely and that was a sin. Then it all changes with one character. What makes these okay? Because they don’t affect Geno?
Geno was a better candidate 15 years ago than now. Even back then, Geno didn't make it even though he was a "great fit", that basically tells he wasn't a good enough candidate. Besides, I believe Sakurai said he personally wanted Geno, just like a fan would, not that Geno was seriously considered by Nintendo to include in the roster.
At least with the Mii costumes, there's some evidence supporting the idea; Sakurai specifically made a point to say that Rex got a Mii costume because his game came out (or started development - don't remember the exact wording) too late for him to make it into Smash, and he hoped that the Mii costume would make up for it.
In gaming as a whole, yes, Geno is a decent bit niche. But in the Mario and Final Fantasy series, both of which are among gaming's highest-grossing franchises? You'd be surprised. I've been on practically dozens of different chats with people who consider Mario RPG an honorary numbered FF title, I even remember him being quite requested as a Dissidia "guest character", and it needn't be said how popular Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario are, both of which would likely not be the way they were if it weren't for Mario RPG. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who has played any RPG Mario game and not know who Geno is at least. I mean, Alpha Dream was made up of a lot of people from RPG's team even. His legacy goes across two VERY different audiences, and those two halves absolutely make a whole.
Ahhh, now I understand. Solid bait, mate.
Your wonderful arguments that have definitely never been heard before have disarmed me. I no longer think Geno is likely. Thank you senpai for helping me see the error of my ways.
I agree, and for what it’s worth, I actually enjoy Mii costumes. I think they’re a great compromise for a playable character. I just think saying it can’t happen because it hasn’t happened before is silly considering the celebration we had yesterday
Mind if I ask where he posted it or a link to it?
Yeah, the Smash Bros. community has a big hypocrite problem in it, and it needs to go away, cause it's nothing but gatekeeping for great video game characters like Geno, Waluigi, and Isaac!
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FYI, I wasn't downplaying other characters. I was pointing out the fact that the original poster of the interview was using it as a supposed reference in Heihachi's favor towards inclusion despite the fact that Sakurai himself mentions immediately after that he though Heihachi's addition would have been problematic to implement. In other words, Sakurai saw MECHANICAL issues to Heihachi that resulted in Sakurai choosing another option. I also didn't take the quote out of context because I added the "BESIDES PACMAN" part after the interviewers comment to SHOW context. Obviously Pacman was the best choice for a first Bamco rep. I just didn't bother including all of that segment because I thought it was implied. Regardless, quoting Sakurai's comments about dismissing a character is not "downplaying" them.
I do hope at least one assist trophy will make the cut as a fighter. There are a lot I would be happy with, with my top picks from top to bottom being Shovel Knight, Waluigi, Bomberman, Shadow, and Isaac.
I never said he had nothing, I said some others have more.
That's fine if you disagree. But this is a discussion and that would be more useful to me if you could tell me why this argument isn't relevant to you.
Because they're DLC and if they were planned to be playable they wouldn't show up as a costume? Seriously, if base-game spirits don't matter, and you think assist trophies don't matter, then base-game mii costumes don't either, period.
Looks good to me.
A bit sad that Doomguy missed the boat, but otherwise I'd be thrilled. It's an excellent pass.
I'd be fine myself. Not particurally invested in most of them but it would take something really, really stupid for me to dislike an addition.
Good but disappointed in Chief if no Steve; wouldn't realkly dislike Chief though, even if I don't care for him personally (though I am a little bit interested in trying Halo itself I guess). Still would love Geno's inclusion and Crash is cool. Don't really care about Dante either way.
Look man... I'm just talking in terms of probability and telling you to not expect a baby elephant for Christmas does not make me an asshole like you're implying. Plus, the spirit thing was always dumb...
Then just say Nintendo isn't likely to upgrade those characters, you don't need to try and justify it by acting like Mii Costumes are an inherent death sentence when Spirits and Assist Trophies aren't according to you.
Thanks Ovaltine for supporting the cause of a DQ8 Hero amiibo and hopefully remembering me for that.
How is Bayonetta more iconic and less niche than Geno?
May he be as well known as some of the other characters you listed maybe not. But He does have a following and is from a game people remember. For sure who has a great chance of getting a Geno does so let’s not discount that.
But I said that ages ago... No, I'm not making fan rules. I'm not setting weird goal posts and claiming things are impossible. There is a wide, wide gulf between possibility and probability and I'm saying, "hey, ya know, Isaac getting a brand new Mii costume in the base game is kind of an uphill battle," for example. Could Sakurai say "**** it" and adjust Lyn's model so little boys won't make any interesting discoveries upon playing space explorer? Sure but it's not looking likely with 8 Fire Emblem reps already. It's that sort of thing...
