Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Griselda]

Oh, I definitely don't mean to be a negative nancy. Heihachi's costume just kinda got me squirming. His chances are still looking mighty fine.

Oh, I wasn't responding to you, so no ill will intended towards you. I was actually searching for that screenshot before you even posted. Memes aside, I'm not actually 100% on things myself. The part that worried me while I was watching was actually the part about updating spirit battles in the future, because my mind went 'That could also mean that Geno's spirit battle will get updated with his costume when it comes back'.

On another note - I'm glad to see that you're doing well enough to poke your head in here. I don't think we've ever spoken much, personally, but it's nice seeing your name in the thread again.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It is a great day for geno! Sorry to our heihachi bro’s tho. Looking good for Star boi. Did anyone else’s eye get big when he said “AT LEAST 5 more fighters?”

In context, he was referring to finishing the fighter's pass 2.

So I doubt he meant more than that. Just further confirming his statements in March, 6 left and that's it.

It'd be cool if bonus characters exist, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Geno Boost]

Hi! my name is Marcelo from Chile.
Im follow this forum since 2019, but my love for Geno is since when i played super mario rpg in 1999.
Iam the typical no registred user in this forum, but! in this specially ocation im coming here to share this doll was i order. Its beautiful, its a great day for the genobros and this is the best gift who i can recibe in the day when the spirits rule was broken.
Saludos desde Chile.
P.S: Sorry for my bad english, but this lenguage never was my stronger ability.

We are happy to have you here and that Geno doll is amazing and don’t worry about bad English we can still understand it I was bad at English back in 2014 here.
Welcome to the Geno bros!

 

[Sigran101]

Then rejoice, as this especially stretchy cross is no longer your burden to bear. Your days of having to go to bat and taking general ARMS apathy strangely personally are behind you. Rest, O martyr--you have been vindicated

Wow, that's a little rude. I don't think there's any need for that.

 

[T2by4]

Oh, I definitely don't mean to be a negative nancy. Heihachi's costume just kinda got me squirming. His chances are still looking mighty fine.

I was actually thinking the same thing. It's entirely possible which is why I'm about 60% confident. But time and time again Sakurai has shown he does notice the fan demand and is very well aware of gaming culture, so he has to know how much more popular Geno is in the Smash community compared to Heihachi. It's not even a competition, Geno is talked about ALL over the internet on forums, threads, youtube videos, nintendo is very well aware of his popularity. At bare MINIMUM we get a deluxe costume. I mean, the dude had to explain in Sm4sh that he KNEW Geno was crazy popular, and right now he's WAY more popular than he was then.

Both him AND other nintendo staff expressed multiple times in interviews that they are very well aware of his popularity. Like, no other character has gotten that kind of acknowledgement to the point where they outright come out in interviews multiple times and say that they know. What excuse can he possibly say this time if he mii costumes him again? The dudes got us. He knows whats up.

 

[xpnc]

I like how Sakurai specifically said that they can and probably will edit more spirit battles, just to let us know that yes, more spirit upgrades are 100% coming, be they characters or Mii costumes

 

[Deleted member]

I was actually thinking the same thing. It's entirely possible which is why I'm about 60% confident. But time and time again Sakurai has shown he does notice the fan demand and is very well aware of gaming culture, so he has to know how much more popular Geno is in the Smash community compared to Heihachi. It's not even a competition, Geno is talked about ALL over the internet on forums, threads, youtube videos, nintendo is very well aware of his popularity. At bare MINIMUM we get a deluxe costume. I mean, the dude had to explain in Sm4sh that he KNEW Geno was crazy popular, and right now he's WAY more popular than he was then.

Both him AND other nintendo staff expressed multiple times in interviews that they are very well aware of his popularity. Like, no other character has gotten that kind of acknowledgement to the point where they outright come out in interviews multiple times and say that they know. What excuse can he possibly say this time if he mii costumes him again? The dudes got us. He knows whats up.

Not to mention Square Enix actually put Geno in their memo of names of potential playable characters back in August 2018 to catch leakers. They see Geno plausible enough to put him alongside Crono, Sephiroth, and Sora. That definitely shows that they are indeed aware that Geno is highly popular in the Smash fanbase.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Obviously, today was an amazing day but I wanted to go over something that could potentially be big... Really big. Something really unusual happened today. None of Mii Costume Guy's Mii costumes showed up today. Why is this unusual? Because he knew Hero's ALTs, Banjo's Mii costumes, Terry's spirit board, and Byleth's stage and ALTs. He's known huge swaths of information for every pack for the past year except... This one... He was able to bullseye some of the most esoteric info from each pack months in advance but knew nothing about 6 despite a rather lengthy list of probable Mii costumes. So what's a possible explanation of this? I'll go into that.

Remember how I told you three of my contacts predicted Bethesda content was coming back in November? None of them were Mii Costume Guy and this information didn't come from Mii Costume Guy. One of these contacts, however, is an in-between for Mii Costume Guy and does their own research and has their own network. Now, in Mii Costume Guy's sprawling costume list, there are two companies that are notably absent despite his in-between supporting them: Bethesda and Activision. Despite Mii Costume Guy obviously having a ton of oversight, these two Western companies were weirdly blind spots. The only Western stuff he's strangely known about has come from Microsoft and Western Indies.

Now, focusing on ARMS itself, we know that the Crash Bash ran from November 2018 to June 2019, around the time Season 2 was greenlit. We know certain character names were floating around as early as early August 2018. Sakurai said himself that post Fighter's Pass content was originally only imagined as one or two fighters. Thanks to the 16 dummy slot leak in January 2016, we know Nintendo was already entertaining a Season 2 six months before Crash Bash even ended. This places a strong probability that ARMS wasn't one of the bonus characters originally considered.

All this implies that Min-Min was, ironically, probably decided after what's now our 77. This ties into Mii Costume Guy because the ARMS character was probably a placeholder until the Crash Bash was decided, meaning its content was decided later too. Keep in mind that the Crash Bandicoot info didn't come from Mii Costume Guy either, something else that supposedly wasn't decided until last E3. As today further cemented, we now have Mii costume pairs from Capcom, Square, and Namco which may imply these three companies were heavily considered for "bonus" content before Season 2 was even official. Beyond this, Banjo lacking RARE or Microsoft costumes may imply Microsoft was considered too.

As I've said in the past, Mii Costume Guy's costume list only had one true Nintendo Mii costume and it is Gooigi. We had a Nintendo pack today and Gooigi didn't show up. We also still haven't had Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits yet, the only major 2019 game that hasn't had one yet. Very weird. Now, like I said, Mii Costume Guy didn't talk about ARMS or Crash but his in-between did... Here's where Mii Costume Guy and his in-between potentially bump into each other info wise. I showed you all this in March on Discord but now it potentially has even deeper meaning:

Two first parties... One ARMS... What's the other? Remember, we have decent evidence that both Min-Min and Crash were decided last E3 but there's a mysterious character sandwiched between them. My theory is that this character was one of the original "bonus" Post Fighter's Pass characters but pushed back for ARMS to lead the pass. I also have the theory that both Mii Costume Guy and his In-between knew about this character but, ironically, not because of each other but their own networks.

In conclusion, in a very weird twist of fate, Mii Costume Guy supported a Nintendo pack that wasn't ARMS and his in-between supported two Nintendo packs with one of them being ARMS. They also both implied that this Nintendo pack would be early in the pass. So, could we be in for some premium cheeky shenanigans for 77? I guess we'll see in due time.

 

[MattX20]

That, and we must remember this: Japan wanted a DQ character to be playable in Smash and FF in some capacity too. Even in Japan, Geno was still the most wanted Square owned character besides them. The other characters like Crono who sadly faded in popularity after the Brawl era and 2B's popularity was still notably behind, it's hard to see any other Square owned character before Geno now.

 

[pinshadow]

Obviously, today was an amazing day but I wanted to go over something that could potentially be big... Really big. Something really unusual happened today. None of Mii Costume Guy's Mii costumes showed up today. Why is this unusual? Because he knew Hero's ALTs, Banjo's Mii costumes, Terry's spirit board, and Byleth's stage and ALTs. He's known huge swaths of information for every pack for the past year except... This one... He was able to bullseye some of the most esoteric info from each pack months in advance but knew nothing about 6 despite a rather lengthy list of probable Mii costumes. So what's a possible explanation of this? I'll go into that.

Remember how I told you three of my contacts predicted Bethesda content was coming back in November? None of them were Mii Costume Guy and this information didn't come from Mii Costume Guy. One of these contacts, however, is an in-between for Mii Costume Guy and does their own research and has their own network. Now, in Mii Costume Guy's sprawling costume list, there are two companies that are notably absent despite his in-between supporting them: Bethesda and Activision. Despite Mii Costume Guy obviously having a ton of oversight, these two Western companies were weirdly blind spots. The only Western stuff he's strangely known about has come from Microsoft and Western Indies.

Now, focusing on ARMS itself, we know that the Crash Bash ran from November 2018 to June 2019, around the time Season 2 was greenlit. We know certain character names were floating around as early as early August 2018. Sakurai said himself that post Fighter's Pass content was originally only imagined as one or two fighters. Thanks to the 16 dummy slot leak in January 2016, we know Nintendo was already entertaining a Season 2 six months before Crash Bash even ended. This places a strong probability that ARMS wasn't one of the bonus characters originally considered.

All this implies that Min-Min was, ironically, probably decided after what's now our 77. This ties into Mii Costume Guy because the ARMS character was probably a placeholder until the Crash Bash was decided, meaning its content was decided later too. Keep in mind that the Crash Bandicoot info didn't come from Mii Costume Guy either, something else that supposedly wasn't decided until last E3. As today further cemented, we now have Mii costume pairs from Capcom, Square, and Namco which may imply these three companies were heavily considered for "bonus" content before Season 2 was even official. Beyond this, Banjo lacking RARE or Microsoft costumes may imply Microsoft was considered too.

As I've said in the past, Mii Costume Guy's costume list only had one true Nintendo Mii costume and it is Gooigi. We had a Nintendo pack today and Gooigi didn't show up. We also still haven't had Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits yet, the only major 2019 game that hasn't had one yet. Very weird. Now, like I said, Mii Costume Guy didn't talk about ARMS or Crash but his in-between did... Here's where Mii Costume Guy and his in-between potentially bump into each other info wise. I showed you all this in March on Discord but now it potentially has even deeper meaning:

View attachment 275833

Two first parties... One ARMS... What's the other? Remember, we have decent evidence that both Min-Min and Crash were decided last E3 but there's a mysterious character sandwiched between them. My theory is that this character was one of the original "bonus" Post Fighter's Pass characters but pushed back for ARMS to lead the pass. I also have the theory that both Mii Costume Guy and his In-between knew about this character but, ironically, not because of each other but their own networks.

In conclusion, in a very weird twist of fate, Mii Costume Guy supported a Nintendo pack that wasn't ARMS and his in-between supported two Nintendo packs with one of them being ARMS. They also both implied that this Nintendo pack would be early in the pass. So, could we be in for some premium cheeky shenanigans for 77? I guess we'll see in due time.

So you DO think 77 is Mr.You Know Who? No offense, but doesn't that NOT bode well for Geno?

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

Today has been a great day, not only for Min Min and ARMS fans alike but the dumb fan rule of spirits deconfirming characters can finally be tossed for good. I was curious how you guys would react and I wasn't disappointed reading through the last 10 or so pages. I'm very hopeful for Geno, things are looking better and better.

 

[T2by4]

So you DO think 77 is Mr.You Know Who? No offense, but doesn't that NOT bode well for Geno?

Who is this Mr you know who?

 

[Deleted member]

Who is this Mr you know who?

Waluigi I guess

 

[xpnc]

Who is this Mr you know who?

The most reputable taco stand owner in the Mushroom Kingdom

 

[CannonStreak]

So, what is there that points to a character reveal in July, again?

 

[waterhasataste]

Obviously, today was an amazing day but I wanted to go over something that could potentially be big... Really big. Something really unusual happened today. None of Mii Costume Guy's Mii costumes showed up today. Why is this unusual? Because he knew Hero's ALTs, Banjo's Mii costumes, Terry's spirit board, and Byleth's stage and ALTs. He's known huge swaths of information for every pack for the past year except... This one... He was able to bullseye some of the most esoteric info from each pack months in advance but knew nothing about 6 despite a rather lengthy list of probable Mii costumes. So what's a possible explanation of this? I'll go into that.

Remember how I told you three of my contacts predicted Bethesda content was coming back in November? None of them were Mii Costume Guy and this information didn't come from Mii Costume Guy. One of these contacts, however, is an in-between for Mii Costume Guy and does their own research and has their own network. Now, in Mii Costume Guy's sprawling costume list, there are two companies that are notably absent despite his in-between supporting them: Bethesda and Activision. Despite Mii Costume Guy obviously having a ton of oversight, these two Western companies were weirdly blind spots. The only Western stuff he's strangely known about has come from Microsoft and Western Indies.

Now, focusing on ARMS itself, we know that the Crash Bash ran from November 2018 to June 2019, around the time Season 2 was greenlit. We know certain character names were floating around as early as early August 2018. Sakurai said himself that post Fighter's Pass content was originally only imagined as one or two fighters. Thanks to the 16 dummy slot leak in January 2016, we know Nintendo was already entertaining a Season 2 six months before Crash Bash even ended. This places a strong probability that ARMS wasn't one of the bonus characters originally considered.

All this implies that Min-Min was, ironically, probably decided after what's now our 77. This ties into Mii Costume Guy because the ARMS character was probably a placeholder until the Crash Bash was decided, meaning its content was decided later too. Keep in mind that the Crash Bandicoot info didn't come from Mii Costume Guy either, something else that supposedly wasn't decided until last E3. As today further cemented, we now have Mii costume pairs from Capcom, Square, and Namco which may imply these three companies were heavily considered for "bonus" content before Season 2 was even official. Beyond this, Banjo lacking RARE or Microsoft costumes may imply Microsoft was considered too.

As I've said in the past, Mii Costume Guy's costume list only had one true Nintendo Mii costume and it is Gooigi. We had a Nintendo pack today and Gooigi didn't show up. We also still haven't had Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits yet, the only major 2019 game that hasn't had one yet. Very weird. Now, like I said, Mii Costume Guy didn't talk about ARMS or Crash but his in-between did... Here's where Mii Costume Guy and his in-between potentially bump into each other info wise. I showed you all this in March on Discord but now it potentially has even deeper meaning:

View attachment 275833

Two first parties... One ARMS... What's the other? Remember, we have decent evidence that both Min-Min and Crash were decided last E3 but there's a mysterious character sandwiched between them. My theory is that this character was one of the original "bonus" Post Fighter's Pass characters but pushed back for ARMS to lead the pass. I also have the theory that both Mii Costume Guy and his In-between knew about this character but, ironically, not because of each other but their own networks.

In conclusion, in a very weird twist of fate, Mii Costume Guy supported a Nintendo pack that wasn't ARMS and his in-between supported two Nintendo packs with one of them being ARMS. They also both implied that this Nintendo pack would be early in the pass. So, could we be in for some premium cheeky shenanigans for 77? I guess we'll see in due time.

Could be wrong, but could Geno be this other Nintendo pack? I know he's owned by Square so technically 3rd Party, but he's still practically a Mario character so I could see them overlapping Nintendo and Square content

If not, then that means hypothetically (based on this in-between and Mii Costume guy) we're looking at 2 1st party reps (ARMS and ????) one 1st Party/3rd Party Hybrid (Geno) and at least one 3rd Party (Crash) for wave 2

It makes a lot more sense now why Imran was speculating this Pass having more 1st party representation if the latter is the case. Practically half the pass would be Nintendo focused

 

[AugustusB]

I am really hoping we see a reveal in early July. The fact Nintendo has been semi silent with E3 style announcements is telling. Min Min is incredible, but surely, not enough to have for E3 alone...if plans didn't change.

EDIT: I am grateful for what we got. Do not misread these thoughts!

 

[RichieGonzo]

So, what is there that points to a character reveal in July, again?

https://twitter.com/RichieGonzo21/status/1275184582745341956
Couldn't find the original tweet so sorry for linking my post but yeah this is basically it.

 

[Ender1645]

My theory is that mii costumes from companies with no dlc fighters yet will have them, and the later the company got their first mii costume, the later they were asked for a fighter, with Bandai Namco and Capcom being the first two third party companies asked for post fighter pass 1 content, and with Ubisoft and Bethesda being asked or had a fighter decided recently. I believe Bethesda was asked recently or had a fighter decided not too long ago so that is why we got Vault boy now. And means that a Bandai Namco character and a Capcom character got decided to be earlier in the pass. But that leaves one spot that doesn’t specifically have a known company, maybe a Nintendo character or a company that doesn’t have a fighter decided yet (we still have more than a year till the fighters pass is said to end so they might still have one to figure that out) and that mysterious fighter can be any where in the pass based on who it is (if it’s Nintendo they could be earlier on, if not they could be later). But that’s my theory, I could totally be wrong.

 

[Antho]

Obviously, today was an amazing day but I wanted to go over something that could potentially be big... Really big. Something really unusual happened today. None of Mii Costume Guy's Mii costumes showed up today. Why is this unusual? Because he knew Hero's ALTs, Banjo's Mii costumes, Terry's spirit board, and Byleth's stage and ALTs. He's known huge swaths of information for every pack for the past year except... This one... He was able to bullseye some of the most esoteric info from each pack months in advance but knew nothing about 6 despite a rather lengthy list of probable Mii costumes. So what's a possible explanation of this? I'll go into that.

Remember how I told you three of my contacts predicted Bethesda content was coming back in November? None of them were Mii Costume Guy and this information didn't come from Mii Costume Guy. One of these contacts, however, is an in-between for Mii Costume Guy and does their own research and has their own network. Now, in Mii Costume Guy's sprawling costume list, there are two companies that are notably absent despite his in-between supporting them: Bethesda and Activision. Despite Mii Costume Guy obviously having a ton of oversight, these two Western companies were weirdly blind spots. The only Western stuff he's strangely known about has come from Microsoft and Western Indies.

Now, focusing on ARMS itself, we know that the Crash Bash ran from November 2018 to June 2019, around the time Season 2 was greenlit. We know certain character names were floating around as early as early August 2018. Sakurai said himself that post Fighter's Pass content was originally only imagined as one or two fighters. Thanks to the 16 dummy slot leak in January 2016, we know Nintendo was already entertaining a Season 2 six months before Crash Bash even ended. This places a strong probability that ARMS wasn't one of the bonus characters originally considered.

All this implies that Min-Min was, ironically, probably decided after what's now our 77. This ties into Mii Costume Guy because the ARMS character was probably a placeholder until the Crash Bash was decided, meaning its content was decided later too. Keep in mind that the Crash Bandicoot info didn't come from Mii Costume Guy either, something else that supposedly wasn't decided until last E3. As today further cemented, we now have Mii costume pairs from Capcom, Square, and Namco which may imply these three companies were heavily considered for "bonus" content before Season 2 was even official. Beyond this, Banjo lacking RARE or Microsoft costumes may imply Microsoft was considered too.

As I've said in the past, Mii Costume Guy's costume list only had one true Nintendo Mii costume and it is Gooigi. We had a Nintendo pack today and Gooigi didn't show up. We also still haven't had Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits yet, the only major 2019 game that hasn't had one yet. Very weird. Now, like I said, Mii Costume Guy didn't talk about ARMS or Crash but his in-between did... Here's where Mii Costume Guy and his in-between potentially bump into each other info wise. I showed you all this in March on Discord but now it potentially has even deeper meaning:

View attachment 275833

Two first parties... One ARMS... What's the other? Remember, we have decent evidence that both Min-Min and Crash were decided last E3 but there's a mysterious character sandwiched between them. My theory is that this character was one of the original "bonus" Post Fighter's Pass characters but pushed back for ARMS to lead the pass. I also have the theory that both Mii Costume Guy and his In-between knew about this character but, ironically, not because of each other but their own networks.

In conclusion, in a very weird twist of fate, Mii Costume Guy supported a Nintendo pack that wasn't ARMS and his in-between supported two Nintendo packs with one of them being ARMS. They also both implied that this Nintendo pack would be early in the pass. So, could we be in for some premium cheeky shenanigans for 77? I guess we'll see in due time.

Look, as much as I would love for Waluigi to be next (and also Geno, don't get me wrong, I want him just as much), not to mention how much I want Waluigi and Geno to both be in by the time this DLC is over, I can really only see one of them, and it seems that Geno has tons of more evidence to be next than Waluigi (At least, from what you've said), with the September amiibo wave being one of them. I can see Waluigi's amiibo wave having rereleases of Mario and Luigi, but then also having 3 big JRPG icons with two of them being Square owned properties doesn't fit with Waluigi at all. Not to mention Wario also isn't being rereleased afaik, which doesn't help Waluigi's case at all, unless he comes out in November or something.
I guess "3 or more characters of the same franchise can't get in in one DLC cycle" is also technically a fan rule that could be broken, but I don't see both Geno and Waluigi at the moment.

 

[Rohanx17]

So what a day it's been gang, the spirit rule is finally dead for good, and the assist one is as well if you read between the lines. Tekken got capped out of no where and left us with 3 neat sets of 2 to round out the next few slots it seems. geno, lloyd and crash are still the only ones I feel really confident in happening but a capcom rep is possible and I'm going to hold on to hope for Isaac for as long as possible. Either way I think the most interesting thing was sakurai's wording that they'll make "at least 5 more fighters" could that mean post fp2 dlc is a possibility? In my eyes I could definitely see 4 more standalone characters without packs cranked out corrin/plant style since there are plenty of super popular characters from series that already have a swath of content like waluigi, BWD, dixie, and skull kid. Either way sakurai hammering in yet again that spirit battles can and will be retconned bodes very well for us and I'm excited to see what the future holds.

 

[cool6012]

Yeah, I don't buy it's Deluxe without Music. He's just a standard Mii costume without what makes it truly Deluxe. A lot of the costumes have been made to simply not look as bad as others. A lot were updated. Looking a lot "better" doesn't suggest it's Deluxe. Where's the music, the most consistent thing that made them outright Deluxe at this point?

Basically, it's music or "nope" for how I look at them. If they had no music, they weren't the case. Besides that, keep in mind it's not an Indie, which is supposed to be some defining factor too. Obviously Indie was never the key thing to them either. In addition, every single Mii costume has its own special music, and to be frank, this is practically like Geno's costume. A massively good one compared to others, has its own notability, but isn't treated as more special than the rest overall.

Feel free to disagree, but I don't see how it's close to "Deluxe". They've improved a lot of the costumes to look really damn good. Callie and Marie looks almost 100% perfect to me too. I wouldn't label them Deluxe either.

Theres no such thing as "deluxe" though. Sans and Cuphead just so happened to come with a song, but they weren't marketed any differently than the others besides having actual "trailers" but Vault Boy also had a "trailer" too. I think it's silly to argue over an arbitrary completely fan-made term.

 

[Enigma735]

I'm honestly sorry I keep bringing attention to the Geno detractors from GameFAQs but C'MON. This post was so ridiculous that I could just NOT share with you all. Goalpost moving at its finest.

Also, implying that Sakurai even considered Min Min and even Ninjara, two characters that are Spirits.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm honestly sorry I keep bringing attention to the Geno detractors from GameFAQs but C'MON. This post was so ridiculous that I could just NOT share with you all. Goalpost moving at its finest.

Also, implying that Sakurai even considered Min Min and even Ninjara, two characters that are Spirits.

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GameFaqs at their finest.

 

[CannonStreak]

I'm honestly sorry I keep bringing attention to the Geno detractors from GameFAQs but C'MON. This post was so ridiculous that I could just NOT share with you all. Goalpost moving at its finest.

Also, implying that Sakurai even considered Min Min and even Ninjara, two characters that are Spirits.

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Typical and Predictable. Once a spirit is upgraded to playable, it is all over already. No trying to fix it.

 

[RichieGonzo]

I'm honestly sorry I keep bringing attention to the Geno detractors from GameFAQs but C'MON. This post was so ridiculous that I could just NOT share with you all. Goalpost moving at its finest.

Also, implying that Sakurai even considered Min Min and even Ninjara, two characters that are Spirits.

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People are in denial lmao Geno is coming and there's nothing you can do about it

 

[MattX20]

Even when Geno gets in, there will still be denial over the whole thing. It's not going to change even then

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Given that the fighter's pass characters have been lending themselves to more complex/gimmick based movesets, it does seem providential in one respect that Geno making use of timed hits for attacks would fit right into that type of nuanced fighter.

 

[CannonStreak]

Given that the fighter's pass characters have been lending themselves to more complex/gimmick based movesets, it does seem providential in one respect that Geno making use of timed hits for attacks would fit right into that type of nuanced fighter.

I was actually thinking the same thing, myself! Great minds do think alike!

 

[Fatmanonice]

So you DO think 77 is Mr.You Know Who? No offense, but doesn't that NOT bode well for Geno?

Surprisingly no and I'll go through everything in bullet points.

-Geno first entered insider talks in August 2018, Waluigi in November. (Lloyd was in September 2018 and Ryu was December but that's a whole different train of thought).

-Mii Costume Guy said last July that Mallow, Chocobo, and Smithy Mii costumes were eventually coming. Correctly named all of Banjo's costumes except Sans. No game has had multiple Mii costumes without a playable character.

-Paragon was told last spring that Waluigi would be "last." He assumed this meant 5 because a Season 2 wasn't known definitively known last April/May. Implies Waluigi was originally one of the "bonus" characters planned.

-Weirdly enough, the only Smash Mario Amiibo being reprinted in September are Mario and Luigi. Further more, we're getting Cloud, Joker, and Hero too. It begs the question of why Joker and Hero weren't released in the most recent Amiibo wave.

-We still have all the stuff in the game that "turns off" certain assist trophies in specific situations. This is even more in your face now that Springman isn't the ARMS rep and first AT promotion.

-Callie and Marie were new assist trophies given Mii costumes today. Waluigi is still notably one of the few first party ATs without a full fledged costume for some reason (yes, there's a hat but no overalls despite Builder Mario getting one).

-The mountain of other stuff supporting Geno that this thread has painstakingly documented.

It's a weird situation because there's quite a bit that supports that both Waluigi and Geno were entertained as bonus characters as far back as 2018 and that both have decent chances of being early in Season 2.

Now for more tinfoily stuff:

-7 is currently planned to be released in September, the 35th Super Mario anniversary.

-Joker and Hero showed that the remaining Amiibo releases will be in pairs. Joker and Hero, Banjo and Terry, Byleth and Min-Min, 7 and 8, 9 and 10, ... 11. That's a little weird.

-Joker and Hero are coming out together along with Mario, Luigi, and Cloud in the same wave. It's canon that Joker stole his invitation to get into Smash. Guess who most people think whose invitation he stole?

-Waluigi and Geno are both Mario characters so they could both technically share the same trailer.

Like I said, it's a very interesting situation and I'm excited to see how it pans out.

 

[Enigma735]

Given that the fighter's pass characters have been lending themselves to more complex/gimmick based movesets, it does seem providential in one respect that Geno making use of timed hits for attacks would fit right into that type of nuanced fighter.

Agreed. Honestly, Geno's abilities and his personality alone would be enough to make him one of the most unique characters on the roster.

 

[EarlTamm]

Given that the fighter's pass characters have been lending themselves to more complex/gimmick based movesets, it does seem providential in one respect that Geno making use of timed hits for attacks would fit right into that type of nuanced fighter.

If there is one definite trend to Ultimate DLC, its that all the fighters need to have something that really differentiates them from the rest of the pack. Timed hits is the clear way of doing this for Geno.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Theres no such thing as "deluxe" though. Sans and Cuphead just so happened to come with a song, but they weren't marketed any differently than the others besides having actual "trailers" but Vault Boy also had a "trailer" too. I think it's silly to argue over an arbitrary completely fan-made term.

I'm already done with the conversation and made it clear I have a specific stance that isn't changing. Please move on.

If there is one definite trend to Ultimate DLC, its that all the fighters need to have something that really differentiates them from the rest of the pack. Timed hits is the clear way of doing this for Geno.

I mean, it's one of his core things. The other is clearly shapeshifting into projectile-like stuff.

 

[Super10ZX]

Hold on guys, I just thought of something crazy!

So you know how Bethesda mentioned in the past they had talked with Nintendo about Smash Bros? Most mentions I can find of this interview being published go WAY BACK to September 13, 2018. And now after a year and a half we’re seeing Vault Boy as a Mii Costume.

This doesn’t 100% confirm they were in talks about this Mii Costume all the way back then, but IF they were, this would give strong credibility to Cacomallow on why it hasn’t appeared yet.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Hold on guys, I just thought of something crazy!

So you know how Bethesda mentioned in the past they had talked with Nintendo about Smash Bros? Most mentions I can find of this interview being published go WAY BACK to September 13, 2018. And now after a year and a half we’re seeing Vault Boy as a Mii Costume.

This doesn’t 100% confirm they were in talks about this Mii Costume all the way back then, but IF they were, this would give strong credibility to Cacomallow on why it hasn’t appeared yet.

It doesn't really do anything for Cacomallow either. Keep in mind they had a second interview, where they reaffirmed Doom Slayer wasn't in Smash(saying the rumors are false) but don't specify when they last talked to Nintendo. So all they did was noted... that Doom Slayer was still a no go but other talks could be happening.

It's worth clarifying they could be referring to the 2018 interview or an all new one. So while he's still possible for Pass 2, there's actually nothing to suggest Doom Slayer isn't anything but out right now. It's still vague, but it's worded to be "he's done" at this time. Maybe we'll know of another interview.

The only thing we knew is that talks didn't go anywhere for Doom Slayer(with no clear context of their last talk), but a costume from them was easily on the table. People just expected Cacodemon, the mascot of Doom. Not entirely cause of Cacomallow, but because Doom is a huge franchise for them and we knew Doom was getting stuff on Nintendo. If you mean Doom Eternal isn't out yet, which is why the Cacomallow isn't, then I can see where you're going with this.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Its possible that Mii Costumes development is very different than character development. Look at Heihachi costume, its (mostly?) the same as his Smash 4 costume, so I don’t think it is wild to suggest that his costume was ready long time, and decided to just drop it now.

 

[T2by4]

Surprisingly no and I'll go through everything in bullet points.

-Geno first entered insider talks in August 2018, Waluigi in November. (Lloyd was in September 2018 and Ryu was December but that's a whole different train of thought).

-Mii Costume Guy said last July that Mallow, Chocobo, and Smithy Mii costumes were eventually coming. Correctly named all of Banjo's costumes except Sans. No game has had multiple Mii costumes without a playable character.

-Paragon was told last spring that Waluigi would be "last." He assumed this meant 5 because a Season 2 wasn't known definitively known last April/May. Implies Waluigi was originally one of the "bonus" characters planned.

-Weirdly enough, the only Smash Mario Amiibo being reprinted in September are Mario and Luigi. Further more, we're getting Cloud, Joker, and Hero too. It begs the question of why Joker and Hero weren't released in the most recent Amiibo wave.

-We still have all the stuff in the game that "turns off" certain assist trophies in specific situations. This is even more in your face now that Springman isn't the ARMS rep and first AT promotion.

-Callie and Marie were new assist trophies given Mii costumes today. Waluigi is still notably one of the few first party ATs without a full fledged costume for some reason (yes, there's a hat but no overalls despite Builder Mario getting one).

-The mountain of other stuff supporting Geno that this thread has painstakingly documented.

It's a weird situation because there's quite a bit that supports that both Waluigi and Geno were entertained as bonus characters as far back as 2018 and that both have decent chances of being early in Season 2.

Now for more tinfoily stuff:

-7 is currently planned to be released in September, the 35th Super Mario anniversary.

-Joker and Hero showed that the remaining Amiibo releases will be in pairs. Joker and Hero, Banjo and Terry, Byleth and Min-Min, 7 and 8, 9 and 10, ... 11. That's a little weird.

-Joker and Hero are coming out together along with Mario, Luigi, and Cloud in the same wave. It's canon that Joker stole his invitation to get into Smash. Guess who most people think whose invitation he stole?

-Waluigi and Geno are both Mario characters so they could both technically share the same trailer.

Like I said, it's a very interesting situation and I'm excited to see how it pans out.

>waluigi and geno could share the same trailer

But I thought based off what that guy said that Waluigi was "last". Wouldn't he come waaaaaay later until some time in 2021 if he was the final fp slot?

 

[BigZGaming2015]

Surprisingly no and I'll go through everything in bullet points.

-Geno first entered insider talks in August 2018, Waluigi in November. (Lloyd was in September 2018 and Ryu was December but that's a whole different train of thought).

-Mii Costume Guy said last July that Mallow, Chocobo, and Smithy Mii costumes were eventually coming. Correctly named all of Banjo's costumes except Sans. No game has had multiple Mii costumes without a playable character.

-Paragon was told last spring that Waluigi would be "last." He assumed this meant 5 because a Season 2 wasn't known definitively known last April/May. Implies Waluigi was originally one of the "bonus" characters planned.

-Weirdly enough, the only Smash Mario Amiibo being reprinted in September are Mario and Luigi. Further more, we're getting Cloud, Joker, and Hero too. It begs the question of why Joker and Hero weren't released in the most recent Amiibo wave.

-We still have all the stuff in the game that "turns off" certain assist trophies in specific situations. This is even more in your face now that Springman isn't the ARMS rep and first AT promotion.

-Callie and Marie were new assist trophies given Mii costumes today. Waluigi is still notably one of the few first party ATs without a full fledged costume for some reason (yes, there's a hat but no overalls despite Builder Mario getting one).

-The mountain of other stuff supporting Geno that this thread has painstakingly documented.

It's a weird situation because there's quite a bit that supports that both Waluigi and Geno were entertained as bonus characters as far back as 2018 and that both have decent chances of being early in Season 2.

Now for more tinfoily stuff:

-7 is currently planned to be released in September, the 35th Super Mario anniversary.

-Joker and Hero showed that the remaining Amiibo releases will be in pairs. Joker and Hero, Banjo and Terry, Byleth and Min-Min, 7 and 8, 9 and 10, ... 11. That's a little weird.

-Joker and Hero are coming out together along with Mario, Luigi, and Cloud in the same wave. It's canon that Joker stole his invitation to get into Smash. Guess who most people think whose invitation he stole?

-Waluigi and Geno are both Mario characters so they could both technically share the same trailer.

Like I said, it's a very interesting situation and I'm excited to see how it pans out.

I love the idea of Waluigi and Geno sharing a trailer, it would be so cool to see Waluigi and other Mario characters trying to fight off Dharkon's army only for Geno to swoop in and give the final attack to the enemies, or vice versa.

 

[Fatmanonice]

>waluigi and geno could share the same trailer

But I thought based off what that guy said that Waluigi was "last". Wouldn't he come waaaaaay later until some time in 2021 if he was the final fp slot?

"Last" in the Fighter's Pass. Fighter's Pass has, uh, passed. Paragon got this information in April/May last year before Season 2 was greenlit meaning Waluigi would no longer be last but mere after the Fighter's Pass at some point.

 

[Firox]

It was less disrespect and more how most of the people who supported it were people who publicly stated they don't like or play ARMS, while most ARMS fans were against it, and how the people who don't play ARMS actually lectured ARMS fans on the game to prove it would work as if they knew more about it somehow. It was quite annoying.

So ARMS fans are the only ones that can dictate how Smash could implement ARMS? Sounds kind of prideful and gatekeepy to me. Granted, there was a lot of speculation by those that have never even played ARMS, but I for one was well aware of both sides of the argument. In either case, I don't remember the "Hero" crowd accusing the opposition of having a "stupid ass" view and dismissing it as "nonsense". It wasn't that hard to acknowledge the fact that those that opposed the "Hero" situation simply wanted to guarantee a more dedicated depiction of the characters. This was a reasonable desire, though given the unprecedented nature surrounding the DLC, it would have been presumptuous to simply handwave all other possible outcomes. Isn't that what speculation is about? Trying to predict the outcome? If we can't be civil about differing views then we're no better than the Geno detractors. When our predictions prove true, let's just accept victory with some class and humility rather than bring hostility to where there was none.

Actually scratch that, there was plenty of disrespect too. I got sick of hearing about how ARMS is just "stretchy punch out" and the characters have nothing distinct about them, and how the only way ARMS could possibly be interesting is if they added extra characters as alts.

I sure hope you aren't accusing me of this. I was speculating about how Sakurai could use the SIMILARITIES between characters to fit more than one in the game. I fully understand your annoyance though if anyone here relegated ARMS to "stretchy punch out". That's as bad of an oversimplification as calling Geno "knock-off wizard Pinocchio" or something. Again, I for one never denied that there was individuality between characters. Rather, I argued HOW MUCH individuality was necessary to facilitate a character addition. Either way, if you've got an issue, take it up with the individual instead of bashing an entire idea simply because you felt it condescending. I'm sorry if you felt it was.