Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[axel_]

@Trevenant If this was an isolated incident I would let it go but, when it comes to Smash, notable crossovers or exclusive projects shortly before Smash announcements is actually a decent predictor of whether a company will be involved in Smash in some form:

Snake: the Twin Snakes for the GameCube
Sonic- Mario and Sonic at the 2008 Olympic Games
Megaman- Street Fighter x Tekken (which had both Pac-Man and Megaman in it)
Pac-Man- Seriously, take your pick.
Bayonetta- the Wonderful 101
Simon- Castlevania in both the NES Classic and SNES Classic
Joker- Tokyo Mirage Sessions (aka SMT x Fire Emblem).
Hero- Dragon Quest XI S
Banjo- Mario in Minecraft

This isn't an exhaustive list either, just the ones I could think of off the top of my head. Point is that a lot of Smash additions were kind of foreshadowed in this way because Smash is rarely the first time major companies work together and there's typically something noteworthy before their Smash primere.

Just gonna go out on a limb and say

Geno - Bravely Default 2 and all those Final Fantasy games
Doomguy - Bethesda supporting Switch since Day 0, and almost all their current games on Switch
Heihachi - Bandai Namco making Smash for over 6 years
Rayman - Mario + Rabbids being a surprise success

 

[Fatmanonice]

I only started agreeing with what you said because I thought you were a floating blue Popeye head IRL. Once I realized you were a human it was much easier to question your takes.

Speaking of, forgot if you had ever mentioned this and a bit off topic (like that's new), but you a big Popeye guy and if so, thoughts on the Genndy Popeye film being revived?

Love it and I'm really excited, especially in the light that it's being spearheaded by a lot of the same people who are doing the Cuphead Show and were behind the Mickey Mouse shorts revival. That said, Genndy Tartakovsky is working with an even better team than he would have if he had been allowed to continue with Sony.

 

[Lord Woomy]

I only started agreeing with what you said because I thought you were a floating blue Popeye head IRL. Once I realized you were a human it was much easier to question your takes.

Wait... He's Not a floating Blue Popeye head???
Okay, that tears it. I say we revolt, Genobros!

 

[Paraspikey]

Wait... He's Not a floating Blue Popeye head???
Okay, that tears it. I say we revolt, Genobros!

Absolutely insane that we weren't just brainwashed by a floating real Popeye head, how dare he lie to us..

 

[Firox]

Also, I have to say, contrary to what Resetera, GameFAQs, and the Newcomer Speculation thread often asserts, I appreciate the fact that people feel free to disagree with me and NO, you all don't blindly agree with everything I say just because I support Geno. I don't think this thread is given enough credit to how intuitive it is and how fully in-depth you all can explain your reasoning and beliefs for things. It's miserably ironic because you all are often presented as mindlessly agreeing with on everything I say and theorize when the reality of things is that very few of you agree with everything I say and, looking at people's personal prediction charts, I would say that maybe HALF agree with three or more of my predictions for Season 2. Sorry this seems out of nowhere but you all have been regularly **** on for the past year and a half because of me and I'm sorry people suck so much.

I think outsiders too often assume that our mutual fervor for Geno means that we all just mindlessly nod to each other in our little echo chamber. I too agree that we have plenty more free thinkers in here than people give us credit for. That said, I personally find your thoughts and theories interesting (and most often refreshing), however, to your point, I accept the fact that our tastes and predictions differ greatly. Another important thing to note is that ever since Nintendo locked down "insider" information, we've had to accept the fact that nobody truly knows what's coming (that they can prove), therefore, we've come to accept that pretty much ALL theories and predictions are to be taken with a grain of salt. That doesn't mean we can't have fun speculating though.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I don't suppose people have been keeping track of when Nintendo typically drops news on Twitter, have they? Also, today should be the last spirit event before E3, 6, and whatever else so they may foreshadow things to come if it's not something totally weird or irrelevant.

 

[Xehanort1372019]

I don't suppose people have been keeping track of when Nintendo typically drops news on Twitter, have they? Also, today should be the last spirit event before E3, 6, and whatever else so they may foreshadow things to come if it's not something totally weird or irrelevant.

Yeah, and it's weird that they haven't tweeted all day, not even for the Pokemon news...it's weird?

 

[Spatulo]

I don't suppose people have been keeping track of when Nintendo typically drops news on Twitter, have they? Also, today should be the last spirit event before E3, 6, and whatever else so they may foreshadow things to come if it's not something totally weird or irrelevant.

It’s typically in the morning or the later evening and it almost always starts right on the hour. In times of yore General Direct announcements were almost always at 10 am Eastern Time but things aren’t that consistent anymore, stuff like Sakurai Presentations have been announced at 9 am and also at 9 pm if I’m not mistaken.

 

[domriver]

I don't suppose people have been keeping track of when Nintendo typically drops news on Twitter, have they? Also, today should be the last spirit event before E3, 6, and whatever else so they may foreshadow things to come if it's not something totally weird or irrelevant.

yes it has been very quiet from nintendo twitter.

 

[MattX20]

If there is one last spirit event before the potential direct of sorts next week, we won't know until at least 7-8 p.m. or so.

 

[Inawordyes]

So, let’s say hypothetically that Geno is revealed, and his stage is [INSERT PREFERRED OPTION HERE]. Like most other DLC stages, it has a gimmick. It could be something simple or it could be complicated, but no matter what, the stage, whatever it is, has a gimmick of some sort.

What gimmick would a Geno stage have? Bonus points if you don’t go the cop-out route of a traveling stage since it is so easy to do.

 

[CannonStreak]

So, let’s say hypothetically that Geno is revealed, and his stage is [INSERT PREFERRED OPTION HERE]. Like most other DLC stages, it has a gimmick. It could be something simple or it could be complicated, but no matter what, the stage, whatever it is, has a gimmick of some sort.

What gimmick would a Geno stage have? Bonus points if you don’t go the cop-out route of a traveling stage since it is so easy to do.

How about arrows that, if they hit a player's character, cause them to not be able to use one of their special moves?

 

[YsDisciple]

I suspect that the reason why Nintendo hasn't tweeted anything today might be in "solidarity" to the #BlackOutTuesday event going on today. Content creators, artists, musicians participating of it will abstain of their usual content (i.e.: new songs, artwork, etc.) and instead will be sharing information or donating in support of what's been going on since last week. That's my opinion though. Nintendo could either express their solidarity some time during the day, or simply not delve into said waters and continue business as usual. Ok, end of topic. Back to Geno.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Got this card today from a pack and it was just so ironic I had to share. I'd never seen the card or heard of it before and it just fits my "wait and see" mantra so well. I can't wait to police everyone's hype with this image from now on
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Maybe someone should just plop a Geno hat on this bad boy and I'll use it as my pfp. In case image doesn't load: https://52f4e29a8321344e30ae-0f55c9...cf2.rackcdn.com/products/pictures/1328020.jpg

 

[axel_]

So, let’s say hypothetically that Geno is revealed, and his stage is [INSERT PREFERRED OPTION HERE]. Like most other DLC stages, it has a gimmick. It could be something simple or it could be complicated, but no matter what, the stage, whatever it is, has a gimmick of some sort.

What gimmick would a Geno stage have? Bonus points if you don’t go the cop-out route of a traveling stage since it is so easy to do.

Gonna interject my own idea for Geno's stage into here.

Geno's stage is Star Hill, but it's actually a transforming stage that warps to other SMRPG areas. The gimmick is that each area has a boss.

Forest Maze - Bowyer
Seaside Town - Yaridovich
Barrel Volcano - Axem Rangers
Bowser's Keep - Exor

I'm kinda disappointed that none of the DLC stages so far have had bosses like Yellow Devil and Metal Face.

 

[Fatmanonice]

So, let’s say hypothetically that Geno is revealed, and his stage is [INSERT PREFERRED OPTION HERE]. Like most other DLC stages, it has a gimmick. It could be something simple or it could be complicated, but no matter what, the stage, whatever it is, has a gimmick of some sort.

What gimmick would a Geno stage have? Bonus points if you don’t go the cop-out route of a traveling stage since it is so easy to do.

I kind of want a stage where it's the graphics of the original game. If it was something like Forest Maze, I think it would still look really good.

Also, what top 5 characters you would want to see in Geno's trailer? I think mine would be:

1. Megaman. Like I said the other day, it would be a childhood and having my all time Smash 1 and 2 would be amazingly cathartic.

2. Rosalina. So many people have had these characters together that it might as well be canon.

3. Ridley (specifically Meta Ridley). Meta Ridley feels like something that could have been an SMRPG boss so having him be the "conflict" of the trailer would honestly be great.

4. Any of the original SMRPG cast. This seems like a given (at least Mario) but it would be nice to have Peach and Bowser too if possible.

5. Another Square character. Again, it would be cathartic after 15 years of being told that Geno would never appear alongside Cloud or anyone notable from Square.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Doomguy - Bethesda supporting Switch since Day 0, and almost all their current games on Switch
Heihachi - Bandai Namco making Smash for over 6 years

Could be any Bethesda or Namco character, people need to consider other options.

 

[axel_]

Could be any Bethesda or Namco character, people need to consider other options.

I've heard talk about "other options" for a while, and there isn't anything compelling about them.
Even ones that are have little to no chance compared to more significant figureheads for their respective companies.

 

[MattX20]

Almost one year ago, tensions were high and hopes were seemingly dashed for fans of Geno at the time, and yet, we persevered and we now have a second chance.

 

[pinshadow]

It is pretty telling that neither NoA or the English Pokemon twitter have said anything today despite them dropping release dates/other info on the first expansion. Even the western Nintendo sites haven't said anything about it while the Japanese site is headlining it. Will they actually delay any other announcements they had planned? I have no idea, I don't work at Nintendo, but they still seemed ok with dropping stuff on their Japanese sources so eh? Who knows how much longer the protests will persist to the degree they are at. Until the weekend, next week, until something drastic happens like a spike in corona cases/pseudo martial law? Nintendo might straight up just push forward regardless of how it makes them look.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Hey guys. I'm not sure if anyone's been paying attention to it, but operation starfall has raised over $700 for Starlight to help make wishes come true. Well done everyone.

 

[Enigma735]

With June approaching, I kinda wanna leave my thoughts on something. As most of you know, I am a firm believer CP7 will get revealed sometime this month, and I do think we are going to get another Square Enix character, because I just think things are lining up for another one to happen. And as weird as it is to say it, I do believe Geno is the most likely Square rep and he will be next after the ARMS rep.

I know some people think its one huge meme to think Geno is more likely then other possible Square reps, but hear me out. I am personally of the belief Sora has little to no chance of happening. People really do forget just how much Disney plays a role in Kingdom Hearts, and with the non-video game characters rule, I really don't see how they would represent Kingdom Hearts well without the Disney representation, especially with how faithful all of the other DLC franchises are to their source material, and Kingdom Hearts content without the Disney stuff would be kinda lame. As for other Square characters, I doubt Crono since Square doesn't acknowledge Chrono Trigger at all anymore and I can't see us getting another Akira Toriyama-designed swordfighter again, especially as DLC. I don't think Sephiroth is happening because while he could promote FF7R, I just think other third-party franchises like Sonic or Mega Man should be the ones to get another rep, not Final Fantasy. I doubt Neku due to reasons I have said in the past. I doubt Lara Croft is gonna happen because while she is an iconic character in the West, I heard Tomb Raider is not popular at all in Japan. Agnes from Bravely Default is the only other Square character I could see besides Geno, and even then I still think Geno is more likely just because of the "evidence" that is in his favor. I'm just so excited for this month and this is honestly been the most confident I have ever been in Geno's chances in a great while, and I do believe if we are getting a Square rep, which I do find likely, then I think it will be Geno. He is a popular request, Sakurai has expressed interest in him, he has tons of evidence in his favor, and I do believe he is CP7.

 

[MisterMike]

So, let’s say hypothetically that Geno is revealed, and his stage is [INSERT PREFERRED OPTION HERE]. Like most other DLC stages, it has a gimmick. It could be something simple or it could be complicated, but no matter what, the stage, whatever it is, has a gimmick of some sort.

What gimmick would a Geno stage have? Bonus points if you don’t go the cop-out route of a traveling stage since it is so easy to do.

My idea for Geno's stage would be based on the classic Forest area, complete with a stump platform off to the left of the main platform. As such, the gimmick I'd suggest would be a Wiggler that would crawl out of the log and walk across the stage and off to the right. You'd be able to bounce off of it.

How about arrows that, if they hit a player's character, cause them to not be able to use one of their special moves?

Or the arrows just paralyze you for a second.

I'm kinda disappointed that none of the DLC stages so far have had bosses like Yellow Devil and Metal Face.

I feel you, though it's not all that suprising to see why that'd be. Bosses may not be as complex as Assist Trophies or Fighers, but they still have a lot that goes into them.

I kind of want a stage where it's the graphics of the original game. If it was something like Forest Maze, I think it would still look really good.

Also, what top 5 characters you would want to see in Geno's trailer? I think mine would be:

1. Megaman. Like I said the other day, it would be a childhood and having my all time Smash 1 and 2 would be amazingly cathartic.

2. Rosalina. So many people have had these characters together that it might as well be canon.

3. Ridley (specifically Meta Ridley). Meta Ridley feels like something that could have been an SMRPG boss so having him be the "conflict" of the trailer would honestly be great.

4. Any of the original SMRPG cast. This seems like a given (at least Mario) but it would be nice to have Peach and Bowser too if possible.

5. Another Square character. Again, it would be cathartic after 15 years of being told that Geno would never appear alongside Cloud or anyone notable from Square.

As vague as this sounds, I just want it to be done as well as the King K. Rool and Banjo trailers. That is to say, something clever that gives winks and nods to the fans in small ways. An example of this would be DK and Diddy's eyes bugging out upon seeing King K. Rool in the flesh, referencing the first game's intro. Another one would be the shot in Banjo & Kazooie's reveal trailer where you got DK, Diddy and King K. Rool cheering upon seeing the duo drop in, as if they too are excited to see their old friend.

A idea I like, as you mentioned in 4, would be to include Mario, Peach and Bowser in the trailer, since those three were also party members in the game and you could accomplish something similar to the scenarios I mentioned above. And I've thought of a great way to do it, too! REVEAL TRAILER CONCEPT TIME!

Spoiler: Yet Another Geno Reveal Trailer Concept From An Amateur Aspiring Writer With Too Much Time On His Hands

The trailer opens with a recreation of the classic Smash N64 intro, with Master Hand hurriedly assembling a suitable battlefield for his Mario toy to engage in combat on. With the field set a quick countdown courtesy of everyone's favorite hand, the Mario toy jumps to life and strikes a pose. But suddenly, just as the area begins to morph into a more fantastical arena, a loud explosion can be heard off in the distance, where the toybox was. Mario flinches as the shockwave courses through the platform. Off in the distance, opposite of the toybox, Peach and Bowser (and maybe some other Smash combatants like Link or Kirby) rush over to Mario's side.

Mario and Master Hand, the latter of which is now also at Mario's right side, give a quick glance at eachother in disbelief. After a brief beat, Master Hand points upwards and bobs up and down a bit as if to say "Don't worry, I'll check it out.". Master Hand then floats over towards the toybox and peers inside... at least as much as a disembodied hand can peer, anyways. After a brief glance, he jumps back in a slightly shocked manner and proceeds to reach into the box and grabs something out of it, persumably whatever it was that caused that loud explosion. It's not quite clear who or what it is that he has just grabbed, as it appears to be small enough to be perfectly concealed within his grasp.

Master Hand slowly brings himself back to the main platform, person/object in tow. Mario, Peach, Bowser, and whoever else is there, are bracing themselves. Of note, Peach is readying her frying pan in both hands. Master Hand then lays his fist on the ground and opens himself up. His whole "body" is blocking the character's views for that extra suspense. He begins to slowly lift himself up, revealing what or who it was he had grabbed. The camera pans up what appears to be a person. Upon fully lifting himself up, the camera cuts to Mario and company in shock. And with a brief arm fold and a nod, cue splash screen.

While the other characters look on either in shock or in confusion, as they don't recognize Geno in the slightest, Mario, Peach and Bowser are beyond happy to see their old friend again, cheering and/or waving at his arrival... well, except for maybe Bowser, who points at him and growls in a sort of "I remember you!" kind of way. (He's a bit of a tough guy that way.) Cue gameplay montage showcasing what Geno's playstyle is all about, with a good helping of references to SMRPG ending with his Final Smash. Cue Super Smash Bros. Ultimate logo X Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.

As a stinger, a red Wario picks up a Star Rod and proceeds to ride off across the Bridge of Eldin on his bike with Geno in hot pursuit.

 

[CannonStreak]

Or the arrows just paralyze you for a second.[/SPOILER]

Yeah, that too. I forgot about that for some reason.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As far as a Mario RPG stage, since the limit for transformed stages appears to be around five, here's a set-up I have that would reference all seven stars in some way. Its far more complex than Nintendo would do, but I figured what the heck.

Phase 1: Mushroom Kingdom - Basic platforms in front of the Royal Castle with the occasional Shyster hopping by needing to be avoided or knocked away.
Phase 2: Forest Maze - Slightly more complex with pipe stumps allowing you to transport around the stage at points with Wigglers occasionally popping out.
Transition 1: Punchinello throws some small bombs onto the stage, with a larger, more damaging one thrown on rare occasions.
Phase 3: Star Hill - Blocky setting where activating star flowers can have the large stars trap other fighters if they're nearby.
Phase: 4: Sunken Ship - Flatter stage with both barrels and bottomless pits where King Calimari's tentacles come out. If all are attacked he appears to spit ink.
Transition 2: The Axem Rangers appear in the background on Blade shooting the Breaker Beam at a select spot.
Phase 5: Smithy's Factory - Assembly lines of of Smithy's forces move along certain parts of the stage but can be stopped if the Smelter is destroyed.

 

[MattX20]

With potentially no more than 9 days left to go for the reveals, this could be a very pivotal moment for the entire Fighter Pass and speculation as a whole

 

[Theguy123]

What i

I kind of want a stage where it's the graphics of the original game. If it was something like Forest Maze, I think it would still look really good.

Also, what top 5 characters you would want to see in Geno's trailer? I think mine would be:

1. Megaman. Like I said the other day, it would be a childhood and having my all time Smash 1 and 2 would be amazingly cathartic.

2. Rosalina. So many people have had these characters together that it might as well be canon.

3. Ridley (specifically Meta Ridley). Meta Ridley feels like something that could have been an SMRPG boss so having him be the "conflict" of the trailer would honestly be great.

4. Any of the original SMRPG cast. This seems like a given (at least Mario) but it would be nice to have Peach and Bowser too if possible.

5. Another Square character. Again, it would be cathartic after 15 years of being told that Geno would never appear alongside Cloud or anyone notable from Square.

With June approaching, I kinda wanna leave my thoughts on something. As most of you know, I am a firm believer CP7 will get revealed sometime this month, and I do think we are going to get another Square Enix character, because I just think things are lining up for another one to happen. And as weird as it is to say it, I do believe Geno is the most likely Square rep and he will be next after the ARMS rep.

I know some people think its one huge meme to think Geno is more likely then other possible Square reps, but hear me out. I am personally of the belief Sora has little to no chance of happening. People really do forget just how much Disney plays a role in Kingdom Hearts, and with the non-video game characters rule, I really don't see how they would represent Kingdom Hearts well without the Disney representation, especially with how faithful all of the other DLC franchises are to their source material, and Kingdom Hearts content without the Disney stuff would be kinda lame. As for other Square characters, I doubt Crono since Square doesn't acknowledge Chrono Trigger at all anymore and I can't see us getting another Akira Toriyama-designed swordfighter again, especially as DLC. I don't think Sephiroth is happening because while he could promote FF7R, I just think other third-party franchises like Sonic or Mega Man should be the ones to get another rep, not Final Fantasy. I doubt Neku due to reasons I have said in the past. I doubt Lara Croft is gonna happen because while she is an iconic character in the West, I heard Tomb Raider is not popular at all in Japan. Agnes from Bravely Default is the only other Square character I could see besides Geno, and even then I still think Geno is more likely just because of the "evidence" that is in his favor. I'm just so excited for this month and this is honestly been the most confident I have ever been in Geno's chances in a great while, and I do believe if we are getting a Square rep, which I do find likely, then I think it will be Geno. He is a popular request, Sakurai has expressed interest in him, he has tons of evidence in his favor, and I do believe he is CP7.

You also missed off that Disney are hard to work with when it comes to them. We’re talking about the company that destroyed club penguin all because they believed they weren’t making enough money and also tried to take all the profits for Tom Holland’s Spider-Man in the new deal with Sony. Having to split money with Disney and square would be huge problem for them.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I really don't see how they would represent Kingdom Hearts well without the Disney representation,

It was pretty much explained several times how it can.

 

[TriggerX]

So, let’s say hypothetically that Geno is revealed, and his stage is [INSERT PREFERRED OPTION HERE]. Like most other DLC stages, it has a gimmick. It could be something simple or it could be complicated, but no matter what, the stage, whatever it is, has a gimmick of some sort.

What gimmick would a Geno stage have? Bonus points if you don’t go the cop-out route of a traveling stage since it is so easy to do.

Probably Forest Maze, as for a gimmick have the ring out direction change per player. On every new stock the ring out direction will change some similar to how you had multiple choices of paths to go, but only progressed forward by taking the correct routes.

With June approaching, I kinda wanna leave my thoughts on something. As most of you know, I am a firm believer CP7 will get revealed sometime this month, and I do think we are going to get another Square Enix character, because I just think things are lining up for another one to happen. And as weird as it is to say it, I do believe Geno is the most likely Square rep and he will be next after the ARMS rep.

I know some people think its one huge meme to think Geno is more likely then other possible Square reps, but hear me out. I am personally of the belief Sora has little to no chance of happening. People really do forget just how much Disney plays a role in Kingdom Hearts, and with the non-video game characters rule, I really don't see how they would represent Kingdom Hearts well without the Disney representation, especially with how faithful all of the other DLC franchises are to their source material, and Kingdom Hearts content without the Disney stuff would be kinda lame. As for other Square characters, I doubt Crono since Square doesn't acknowledge Chrono Trigger at all anymore and I can't see us getting another Akira Toriyama-designed swordfighter again, especially as DLC. I don't think Sephiroth is happening because while he could promote FF7R, I just think other third-party franchises like Sonic or Mega Man should be the ones to get another rep, not Final Fantasy. I doubt Neku due to reasons I have said in the past. I doubt Lara Croft is gonna happen because while she is an iconic character in the West, I heard Tomb Raider is not popular at all in Japan. Agnes from Bravely Default is the only other Square character I could see besides Geno, and even then I still think Geno is more likely just because of the "evidence" that is in his favor. I'm just so excited for this month and this is honestly been the most confident I have ever been in Geno's chances in a great while, and I do believe if we are getting a Square rep, which I do find likely, then I think it will be Geno. He is a popular request, Sakurai has expressed interest in him, he has tons of evidence in his favor, and I do believe he is CP7.

Sora- Appears in his own titles without goofy and Donald as aid. It’s not like they are detrimental to his moveset. Kh has so much original content they don’t need to rely on Disney content. Idk doesn’t seem like most fans really care if the Disney content makes it in. Besides you have cloud with not too much content as support.
Crono Trigger- I agree, I do feel like we’d see another Nomura design in smash before Toriyama. Not that he doesn’t have any chance since a character like Banjo was pushed. Honestly him Geno are in a similar boat in terms of relevancy.

Neku- Nomura and Sakurai seem to be on decent terms so it seems like a possibility. I believe he did say he’d like to see another one of his characters in there. There may also be big push with TWEWY series considering it may reappear in other series as well. Also it’s not like Square has a ton of exclusive titles on the switch, so Neku wouldn’t be a bad choice if there was a second switch game.

Lara Croft -May not be a huge character in Japan, but that’s kind of why Square would want to push her. I think it’s their third best selling series, and if they can promote her more for the Japanese audience that’s a plus. Besides odds are we get another female dlc character(could be an alt), Lara is pretty iconic as far as gaming goes.

Sephiroth- This one is a bit hard. Unless Square is going to push some kind of ff7 content on the switch I don’t personally see it happening. Although to be fair, he is a pretty well known villain as far as gaming goes. We really don’t have enough those in the roster and they could essentially push for it.

Geno- I do believe he’s possible like anyone else. The missing mii costume is the only flag for me though. I’m not expecting him anytime soon , but maybe as 4th or 5th dlc to this pass.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Dear god... If the next week really is the endgame for Geno, can we PLEASE not go into another Geno vs Sora debate?!? Literally 15 years of this **** and I can't wait for its official death in hopefully the next 10 days...

 

[Droodle]

Alright, time for some counter arguments.

I know some people think its one huge meme to think Geno is more likely then other possible Square reps, but hear me out. I am personally of the belief Sora has little to no chance of happening. People really do forget just how much Disney plays a role in Kingdom Hearts, and with the non-video game characters rule, I really don't see how they would represent Kingdom Hearts well without the Disney representation, especially with how faithful all of the other DLC franchises are to their source material, and Kingdom Hearts content without the Disney stuff would be kinda lame

Sora is a weird one because in a way Sora's not competing with Geno, but Geno is competing with Sora. For example, it's totally possible for us to get Sora with Geno as a mii costume, but it's not possible that we get Geno with a Sora mii costume. So there is a "small" possibility we end up with both Sora and Geno in terms of the next Fighters Pass.

On the other hand, "it wouldn't be faithful to the series if there are no Disney characters" is a pretty weak argument. There's enough OC in Kingdom Hearts to make more then enough spirits/music, not to mention that Sora doesn't need Donald and Goofy to fight at all. It'd be no more then a stretch then say Joker doesn't properly represent Persona because he doesn't switch Persona's at all, and 99% of people kill Arsene 3 hours into the game. "Sora needs to come with Disney content" is usually used as a weak counterargument used to shut down Sora supporters, it's no different then the likes of "Geno is to irrelevant to be a fighter".

Do I think Sora is likely? No, not really. Disney would probably be annoying to work with, but do I think he's impossible? Well, Sakurai/Nintendo have already surprised me by getting DQ music into Smash when the composer is known to be a notorious douchebag. So far we've had Square's biggest franchises in Japan (FF and DQ) in Smash, and while KH is technically not Square; it is in a lot of ways their 3rd biggest franchise over there.

As for other Square characters, I doubt Crono since Square doesn't acknowledge Chrono Trigger at all anymore and I can't see us getting another Akira Toriyama-designed swordfighter again, especially as DLC.

I think Crono is super unlikely, so I agree. Sure, it's easy to give him a unique moveset; but the "charm" of the character is already covered by DQ heroes. That said, Crono music would be sweet and I think he should get a mii costume.

Sephiroth isn't happening because while he could promote FF7R, I just think other third-party franchises like Sonic or Mega Man should be the ones to get another rep, not Final Fantasy.

Alright I can see why Sonic should get another rep first, but Mega-Man? Sonic is at least bigger in terms of a multimedia franchise compared to Final Fantasy, and even if it has lost popularity in Japan; it's still decently popular. Mega-Man though? The character of Mega-Man is very iconic sure, but as a franchise it's not huge in terms of sales compared to either of them. Wikipedia puts it at around and 35 million sales. Meanwhile Sonic sits at 140 million sales.

On the other hand, Final Fantasy is sitting at around 155 million sales, and is definitely far more popular in Japan compared to either Mega-Man or Sonic. Even worldwide, as a games series; FF is definitely more popular then Sonic nowadays. Not to mention that Sephiroth is one of the most iconic villains in gaming, especially in Japan.

I doubt Neku due to reasons I have said in the past. I doubt Lara Croft is gonna happen because while she is an iconic character in the West, I heard Tomb Raider is not popular at all in Japan.

Agreed about Neku. The only way I can see him getting added is if they pull a Bayo, and add him in because they're helping fund a second game. But I expect him to get spirited/costumed more if they end up doing that. Tomb Raider has a very niche following in Japan nowadays, kind of like Crash; except Crash was popular in the 2000's. I can't really see them putting Lara Croft; but at the same time, it wouldn't be the first time we've gotten a character that is only popular in the West added to Smash. We did get Ridley, except he was at least 1st party and highly requested at that.

Agnes from Bravely Default is the only other Square character I could see besides Geno, and even then I still think Geno is more likely just because of the "evidence" that is in his favor.

I feel the same way about a Bravely Default character, as I feel about Neku. We could technically get them in as a fighter, but I see them getting spirited/costumed more then being a fighter. That said, I doubt it would be Agnes as BD 2 looks like it has a completely new cast of characters.

So overall I agree with you, but I think you're dismissing Sora/Sephiroth a little too easily. I don't think Sora/Geno compete that much, and I can see a pass where both of them get in; that said, Geno is definitely competing with Sephiroth, and I don't see both of them getting in.

 

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I find it really funny how much the two fanbases seem to fight given how much you could argue they actually have in common. Both representing different eras of Square-Soft in it's prime right before drastic changes (Square moving to Sony, the Enix merger), from JRPG's with more surreal and unique locations and ideas based on the premise of combining Final Fantasy elements with another iconic property, complete with more action focused combat than your typical RPG, stuck with weird rights issues surrounding them, Yoko Shimomura is the main composer for both games, christ they even both have weird possession/soul stuff going on. If it wasn't such a one or the other thing the two fanbases would probably get along super well.

 

[Springwood Slasher]

I’ve been advocating for Geno since Brawl (not on any official message board or group....mostly just friends and polls).

While I have only been involved with the community since December, I can’t wait for all of us Geno fans to just finally have some closure. It will be nice to have some extra mental capacity available to us that isn’t taken up by inferring hints and insider info.

VIVA LA GENO!

 

[Lord Woomy]

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Maybe we should just treat it as one last hurrah to remind us why we'll never be sentimental for this endless torment.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

I've heard talk about "other options" for a while, and there isn't anything compelling about them.
Even ones that are have little to no chance compared to more significant figureheads for their respective companies.

Still doesn't give you the right to make airheaded assumptions. The last pass surprised us to h*** and back.

 

[MattX20]

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This, so much this

 

[Inawordyes]

Also, what top 5 characters you would want to see in Geno's trailer? I think mine would be:

1. Megaman. Like I said the other day, it would be a childhood and having my all time Smash 1 and 2 would be amazingly cathartic.

2. Rosalina. So many people have had these characters together that it might as well be canon.

3. Ridley (specifically Meta Ridley). Meta Ridley feels like something that could have been an SMRPG boss so having him be the "conflict" of the trailer would honestly be great.

4. Any of the original SMRPG cast. This seems like a given (at least Mario) but it would be nice to have Peach and Bowser too if possible.

5. Another Square character. Again, it would be cathartic after 15 years of being told that Geno would never appear alongside Cloud or anyone notable from Square.

1. Rosalina - Queen of star people and a star person warrior who “serves a higher authority”, such as a queen perhaps? Even if it never becomes canon because Square owns the rights to Geno atm, being able to use Smash as a way to make that connection would be amazing.

2. Cloud - It would be funny to “bring the SMRPG party together” by using Cloud as a stand in for Mallow (a cloud person). Plus, you know, just having a CGI Cloud in a Smash video with other Smash Fighters in general.

3. King K. Rool, Ridley and/or Banjo - Geno is one of the last of the “old guard”, aka those characters that have been requested for years. Showing up with the other “long shots” who preceded him this time around would be really cool to really drive home just how amazing having these four in the game after years of hoping and waiting is. Lesser boons for characters like Diddy and Megaman who also fell into the same category but took their place in Smash in earlier games.

4. Kirby - pretty self-explanatory, I think. Especially if it was a continuation of Rosalina’s video, as he was obviously the central focus of 2/3s of that cinematic riding a star.

5. Samus - I’ve said it before, but I think having Geno’s video be a continuation of the Ridley reveal would be pretty cool. They both have arm cannons, and it’s probably the closest analogue to a Geno-Doomguy crossover without having Master Chief or Doomguy himself.

 

[MisterMike]

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"I long for death's cold embrace..." - Fatmanonice , June 2nd 2020

 

[Enigma735]

It was pretty much explained several times how it can.

I don't mean to come off as a Sora detractor. If I'm being real, Sora would probably be the Square character I would choose right after Geno. The thing is, Disney is very important to Kingdom Hearts and I feel like Sakurai should know this as he is a fan of the series. I know their are plenty of OC's in the KH series, but I really do think Disney is the main selling point of the franchise and without that representation, I just feel like it would be a shell of its former self.

Sora- Appears in his own titles without goofy and Donald as aid. It’s not like they are detrimental to his moveset. Kh has so much original content they don’t need to rely on Disney content. Idk doesn’t seem like most fans really care if the Disney content makes it in. Besides you have cloud with not too much content as support.
Crono Trigger- I agree, I do feel like we’d see another Nomura design in smash before Toriyama. Not that he doesn’t have any chance since a character like Banjo was pushed. Honestly him Geno are in a similar boat in terms of relevancy.

Neku- Nomura and Sakurai seem to be on decent terms so it seems like a possibility. I believe he did say he’d like to see another one of his characters in there. There may also be big push with TWEWY series considering it may reappear in other series as well. Also it’s not like Square has a ton of exclusive titles on the switch, so Neku wouldn’t be a bad choice if there was a second switch game.

Lara Croft -May not be a huge character in Japan, but that’s kind of why Square would want to push her. I think it’s their third best selling series, and if they can promote her more for the Japanese audience that’s a plus. Besides odds are we get another female dlc character(could be an alt), Lara is pretty iconic as far as gaming goes.

Sephiroth- This one is a bit hard. Unless Square is going to push some kind of ff7 content on the switch I don’t personally see it happening. Although to be fair, he is a pretty well known villain as far as gaming goes. We really don’t have enough those in the roster and they could essentially push for it.

Geno- I do believe he’s possible like anyone else. The missing mii costume is the only flag for me though. I’m not expecting him anytime soon , but maybe as 4th or 5th dlc to this pass.

You bring up some good points about Neku, Lara Croft and Sephiroth, but I am still not entirely sold on Sora. I just think working with Disney on top of Square would just be tons of work.

Alright, time for some counter arguments.

Sora is a weird one because in a way Sora's not competing with Geno, but Geno is competing with Sora. For example, it's totally possible for us to get Sora with Geno as a mii costume, but it's not possible that we get Geno with a Sora mii costume. So there is a "small" possibility we end up with both Sora and Geno in terms of the next Fighters Pass.

On the other hand, "it wouldn't be faithful to the series if there are no Disney characters" is a pretty weak argument. There's enough OC in Kingdom Hearts to make more then enough spirits/music, not to mention that Sora doesn't need Donald and Goofy to fight at all. It'd be no more then a stretch then say Joker doesn't properly represent Persona because he doesn't switch Persona's at all, and 99% of people kill Arsene 3 hours into the game. "Sora needs to come with Disney content" is usually used as a weak counterargument used to shut down Sora supporters, it's no different then the likes of "Geno is to irrelevant to be a fighter".

Do I think Sora is likely? No, not really. Disney would probably be annoying to work with, but do I think he's impossible? Well, Sakurai/Nintendo have already surprised me by getting DQ music into Smash when the composer is known to be a notorious douchebag. So far we've had Square's biggest franchises in Japan (FF and DQ) in Smash, and while KH is technically not Square; it is in a lot of ways their 3rd biggest franchise over there.


I think Crono is super unlikely, so I agree. Sure, it's easy to give him a unique moveset; but the "charm" of the character is already covered by DQ heroes. That said, Crono music would be sweet and I think he should get a mii costume.


Alright I can see why Sonic should get another rep first, but Mega-Man? Sonic is at least bigger in terms of a multimedia franchise compared to Final Fantasy, and even if it has lost popularity in Japan; it's still decently popular. Mega-Man though? The character of Mega-Man is very iconic sure, but as a franchise it's not huge in terms of sales compared to either of them. Wikipedia puts it at around and 35 million sales. Meanwhile Sonic sits at 140 million sales.

On the other hand, Final Fantasy is sitting at around 155 million sales, and is definitely far more popular in Japan compared to either Mega-Man or Sonic. Even worldwide, as a games series; FF is definitely more popular then Sonic nowadays. Not to mention that Sephiroth is one of the most iconic villains in gaming, especially in Japan.


Agreed about Neku. The only way I can see him getting added is if they pull a Bayo, and add him in because they're helping fund a second game. But I expect him to get spirited/costumed more if they end up doing that. Tomb Raider has a very niche following in Japan nowadays, kind of like Crash; except Crash was popular in the 2000's. I can't really see them putting Lara Croft; but at the same time, it wouldn't be the first time we've gotten a character that is only popular in the West added to Smash. We did get Ridley, except he was at least 1st party and highly requested at that.


I feel the same way about a Bravely Default character, as I feel about Neku. We could technically get them in as a fighter, but I see them getting spirited/costumed more then being a fighter. That said, I doubt it would be Agnes as BD 2 looks like it has a completely new cast of characters.

So overall I agree with you, but I think you're dismissing Sora/Sephiroth a little too easily. I don't think Sora/Geno compete that much, and I can see a pass where both of them get in; that said, Geno is definitely competing with Sephiroth, and I don't see both of them getting in.

I think your points make a whole lotta sense. I admit I may be under-selling Sephiroth's chances, but I personally don't think we are in for another Final Fantasy character. As for Sora, I still believe he isn't too likely because Disney not only plays a huge role in that franchise, but I feel they would be pretty hard to work with, especially on top of Square. This is coming from someone who would low-key love to see Sora, but I just personally don't think it will happen.

 

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It has never really hit me that most of us and myself have been waiting 15 years for Geno. Kind of makes waiting for the next week or so seem like an eternity when you put it like that.