Organization XIII
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That's not even what was said. As far as the quote goes it's saying the character's weren't picked based on his personal preferences. Trying to say his bias didn't play a part.
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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior
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Fatmanonice
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Coincidentally, I've had to work with Disney for public events. You all know but for the lurkers, my wife and I run a Halloween Facebook group where he advertise and help plan public events each October. Disney is very particular about movies and you have to work with a second party for the licensing. For starters, you have to give them about 90 days notice for the event. Second, you have to lock in the date. Doesn't matter if the location gets carpet bombed, you have to stick to that date. No rescheduling. Next, you have to do a date that they permit. For example, Disney is super hard nosed about not licensing out the Nightmare Before Christmas after October 15. Can't do it before then? "**** you, try again next year" -Mickey Mouse.
Next you have to explain the nature of the event in full. If they don't like it in any way, it's no deal. Of course the biggest rule is that you can't make a profit from the showing. If you do, the Disney Death Eaters will find you. Surprisingly, they're not cool with charity events either. Doesn't matter if it's for paralyzed baby seals, they find out that anyone gets a large sum of money except them, they're coming to your house. So, if they approve the event and you legally acknowledge that they can make your life Hell if you break any of the rules, then comes the costs. Depending on demand and time of year, it fluctuates. Something like TNBC or Hocus Pocus in October will set you back about $800 PER SHOWING and there's also a deposit that's non-refundable and due as soon as the deal is closed. You then have until about 2 weeks out from the event to pay the rest or the deal's off.
Something I also have to say regarding this is that you're responsible for all your own equipment and they provide none of that. The "movie" is also a simple DVD if you don't already own it and you have to pay to send it back to them by a certain date. That's the kicker too... You basically have to pay Disney to show a group of people TNBC even if you're doing it for free and it's your own DVD because licensing is that much of a pain in the ass. Again, this is for ONE SHOWING of a 26 year old movie, I can't imagine what would need to be agreed on for Sora to be in Smash Bros.
Next you have to explain the nature of the event in full. If they don't like it in any way, it's no deal. Of course the biggest rule is that you can't make a profit from the showing. If you do, the Disney Death Eaters will find you. Surprisingly, they're not cool with charity events either. Doesn't matter if it's for paralyzed baby seals, they find out that anyone gets a large sum of money except them, they're coming to your house. So, if they approve the event and you legally acknowledge that they can make your life Hell if you break any of the rules, then comes the costs. Depending on demand and time of year, it fluctuates. Something like TNBC or Hocus Pocus in October will set you back about $800 PER SHOWING and there's also a deposit that's non-refundable and due as soon as the deal is closed. You then have until about 2 weeks out from the event to pay the rest or the deal's off.
Something I also have to say regarding this is that you're responsible for all your own equipment and they provide none of that. The "movie" is also a simple DVD if you don't already own it and you have to pay to send it back to them by a certain date. That's the kicker too... You basically have to pay Disney to show a group of people TNBC even if you're doing it for free and it's your own DVD because licensing is that much of a pain in the ass. Again, this is for ONE SHOWING of a 26 year old movie, I can't imagine what would need to be agreed on for Sora to be in Smash Bros.
Lord Woomy
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Nintendo has to give them the rights to Mario
SSGuy
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If the Sora talks are to be believed, then we as a community are kind of in endgame at this time. Either Nintendo wanted to make us happy or wanted nothing to do with Geno when it is all said and done. I truly believed they would go with Sora for the loud minority that follow him around.
MattX20
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Oof, I don't envy what anyone would have to go through to get Sora at that point.
Polarthief
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Yeah but if they were put through an even worse hell than Fatman, I can totally believe Nintendo being like "**** that noise" after trying, and I can guarantee that if you have to go to Disney for it, there's no way in hell they'll just hand him over. Cloud was supposedly a massive pain in the ass; anything Disney-related would likely be ~5-10x that. Doesn't seem worth it. Wouldn't be surprised if they would also demand 100% of the DLC payments, as well as extra on top of it. Then you'd probably have to pay SE on top of that for reasons.
Meanwhile, Geno's already got a foot in the door with a Sm4sh costume and spirit in Ultimate; his costume from the previous game mysteriously not reappearing. SE is a diva (nowhere close to Disney), but they already have 2 characters in the game and they've clearly been open to allowing Geno in the game in some form. The two are night-and-day differences because one requires going to one of, if not, the worst companies ever to try and get licensing rights to any of their owned IPs. The other is Geno.
All that said, if Geno's been planned for some time (which seems likely, given his COSTUME STILL BEING AWOL, WHERE THE HECK IS IT?!), they might have intended to go with both him and Sora, if they could actually get Sora in, but it's seeming more and more unlikely, especially given today's events and Disney's rather ridiculous policies.
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SSGuy
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It's reasons like this that the inner Star Wars fan in me terrified since 2012.
Don't get me started on how concerned I am about seeing Simpsons/Bob's Burgers/King of the Hill and the distribution of those shows in a few years...
Don't want Disney getting their slimy white gloves into Smash Bros. Especially at the expense of a character kept alive purely by fan love and admiration. Disney seems to be pretty good at destroying really great things that people organically love. (Rest in peace Wander Over Yonder)
Still hyped for Clone Wars conclusion though
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MattX20
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At times, I just wished Nintendo would've bought out the rights to all the original characters made for Super Mario RPG just so we wouldn't have to deal with these ridiculous legal shenanigans.
MisterMike
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Wah is a longman, and Bayo is a longwoman, both are sexy af. Kind of makes sense to me.
Polarthief
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Plus we'd also have an official SMRPG 2, possibly 3, 4, 5 etc by now. That said, we may have never gotten Paper Mario as a result, hmmm... That's hard, because as much as I love SMRPG, I also thoroughly love the customization and strategy that is in Paper Mario, especially the badge system (seriously, I'm a sucker for stuff like PM's badge system). Badges alone are probably why I love PM a hell of a lot more than say M&L (also still a great series though, don't get me wrong).
Oh god, I could totally see Walunetta catching on now...
... that said, I don't *completely* hate the idea.
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Dynamic Worlok
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He'll need two models to contain all that leg action
TheCJBrine
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I don't really know about the Bayonetta stuff, the glitch is just a visual bug with her clothes not disappearing when she shields or kicks or something.
PsychoIncarnate
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Hey, y'all. Who's enjoying the new Minecraft update. Gonna chill tonight and make a base with the new crimson blocks. Also gonna hunt for gmax toxtricity.
Geno and chill everyone
Spatulo
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Glitches with specific animations that only appeared with the latest update seem to imply that the next DLC character will use auto-combo kicking attacks that were developed using Bayonetta’s data as a base
Fatmanonice
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This:
Basically provides conjecture that one of the Season 2 characters will share characteristics with Bayo, possibly even 6.
MattX20
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Not a Minecraft fan, but I do like the color of the flames
ActualGarbage
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Don't you DARE ship Bayonetta and Waluigi, I'm not mentally capable to handle anything related to that subject at all.
TheCJBrine
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I really like the new Nether stuff they're adding. The only thing is ghasts are bothersome in the Soulsand Valley, and are especially annoying if your portal generates there. I like that they spawn more often there, as I thought the biome could be a Ghast domain because of all the soul stuff, though they seem to spawn too often...with fireballs coming at you left and right, and constant Ghast screams.
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Aerospherology
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On the topic of the Bayonetta base:
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As both a Sora fan and Geno fan I am conflicted. Do not get me wrong, Geno is ahead by a nose between the two, but I was of the mind that BOTH could happen.
If this is a legit shoot then I am saddened. But this could also be just speculation among people. However, knowing this guys insider knowledge, it makes sense to take this as truth. Interesting note, Remember when Shinji said to that fan that Sora was not in Smash? Could we possibly see a connection between Shinji and Imran's 'speculation'?
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Aerospherology
seeing Waluigi doing Bayonetta moves really makes me want to see him as a fighter!
If this is a legit shoot then I am saddened. But this could also be just speculation among people. However, knowing this guys insider knowledge, it makes sense to take this as truth. Interesting note, Remember when Shinji said to that fan that Sora was not in Smash? Could we possibly see a connection between Shinji and Imran's 'speculation'?
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Aerospherology
seeing Waluigi doing Bayonetta moves really makes me want to see him as a fighter!
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Franco Geno
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Wait, Sora is out of the running?
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Imran Kahn said that Sora is out.
Franco Geno
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I see, so the puppet is still fine
Unless there's something else, all he said was Disney Japan could be an obstacle. The only one he was vehemently disagreeing with getting in was Master Chief in that video, though the other KF people still think both he and Sora are getting in after that exchange.
People need to watch that video again because they're really misinterpreting what Imran is saying if they think it's something explicit.
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Don't kill the messenger. I didn't even watch the video but I will take the L.
DaxMasterix
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Geno and Sora are friends, and that's a fact. You can feel "happy" or "sad" about the news but don't be a **** with others, always spread love!
(ora I don't have credit for the art, I took it from 4chan like a year ago.)
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Thanks! Nothing personal, I don’t want Sora before Geno.
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Houndstooth
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I just watched the video. I don't see the "vehemently disagreeing with Master Chief." He and Greg seem more about him than the other two, but only one seems to be "I will eat this cup if Chief gets in" about it.
Polarthief
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LOL I'm not actively shipping them, I'm just saying it's so weird that I could see it happening.
I don't see MC being nearly as hard to get compared to Sora, given that we already have BK, a now Microsoft-owned IP, in the game. If anything with how well Microsoft and Nintendo have been as of late, I'd almost expect to see him sometime later. Hell my E3 prediction last year was way off; I was actually expecting MCC (and Rare Replay) on Switch, alongside MC and BK in Smash. I'll laugh if the games and MC were delayed to 2020's E3 instead.
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I'm an idiot. I pretty much had every single KF member mixed up (thought Imran and Blessing were each other and thought the same about Tim and Greg).
I still don't think this is a hard deconfirm. The whole discussion seems like speculation more than anything.
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TheCJBrine
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It seems Imran only thinks Sora isn't happening, while Chief was just speculation about who could be the biggest reveal left.
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Yeah, Imran said Nintendo approached Disney and he thinks Disney of Japan specifically is keeping him getting in. I’m a bit iffy since I rewatched the video but still.
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Fatmanonice
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The thing is though is that Khan is an insider in a professional sense. He likely knows what he's talking about. He was the former senior editor of Game Informer after all. His speculation comes with industry know how and experience. That's why I definitely put a lot of weight in his recent statements.
Yeah he seems incredibly confident when he states anything I noticed in this video. There was no hesitation in saying Disney Japan said No (or rather being a road block)
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Then be nicer about it then. I dont care if you want geno more over sora, just dont be an asshole
but who am I kidding, no one is listening to what I have to say anyway. I just want everyone to be nice to eachoter and not make another feel like **** but obviously its not possable to say you want one character without being rude about the other
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I can’t help but find a little concerning that Nintendo wanted to add Sora. Yes, Sora is owned by Disney, but one could argue that he can still count as Square rep because of his association.
mynameisBlade
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Wow that's insane. Khan completely and totally sealed Sora's fate in my eyes. While I never thought Sora had a good shot to begin with, I still love the character. Also, none of them mentioned Geno at all, but HOT DAMN would it be amazing to get MASTER ****ing CHIEF!! >< Best timeline!
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T2by4
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Yeah master chief would be lit. Really glad they didnt seal geno's fate though. That could've been bad.
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Hot_N_Tasty
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It's a shame to hear that Sora is looking bleak, I thought he would be fun to play. Chief and Sora would both be HOLY **** moments for the entire net though, which is something I feel like Geno lacks to that extent. The fact Ninty may have approached the mouse also worries me. That said, I'd like to think that FPII could happily exist with both Sora and Geno, despite them both veering into each other's lanes.
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