Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MisterMike]

That said, let me ask: How will you all celebrate if Geno gets in?

From back in October:

In no particular order:
1 - Record and upload my reaction video for it. You guys should do the same.
2 - Make an image macro of comments by people saying Geno would never happen, a la the Banjo image. In case you're wondering, I currently have about 50 different twitter posts related to this. If you guys have any particularly good ones, be sure to screencap them.
3 - Make a video in the style of BestGuyEver for Geno titled "S T A R M A N". In spite of the name, it will not be primarily using the David Bowie song of the same name. I already have a song picked out for it, and I can guarentee you that it's gonna be good.
4 - Play through Super Mario RPG, either through emulation or NSO if it gets re-released on there.
5 - Play more Smash, make more memes, probably shift my focus to supporting some other character for DLC, most likely Crash Bandicoot, and generally enjoy living in a society wherein Ridley, King K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, and Geno are all in Smash.

 

[CannonStreak]

Just to make one thing abundantly clear before I start. As long as the character isn¨t someone like Son Goku, Naruto, Batman (aka 4rh part reps) I¨m open minded towards anyone. I have my preference sure, but as I said. I¨m open-minded. With that said

You are comparing base game towards DLC. That¨s a big difference. There would have been a different set of factors involved if Waluigi were included in the base game compared to be revealed now. Especially after Byleth who got their share of backlash on their own.




About the death threats... well, does Nintendo want to signal to their fans that if you send enough death threats, you get said thing?? No....

Also.. f they wanted Waluigi open for DLC, they could have easily removed him before the game released, if the timeframe that Fatman claims on when Sakurai was approached about DLC. It is easier to remove then add.

If I understand what you mean on the death threats, that is not how things work, or should work. Just sending death threats would make whole fanbases look bad, regardless of how many people have actually done that. Plus, I think Nintendo and Sakurai would just laugh at those death threats, or something along those lines. Death threats are not a good way to get a character in, for it hurts the fanbases and fans more than the devleopers themselves. You don't see many, if any sending death threats to Nintendo about Geno, do you? If you don't, that is because we are much more mature than that, for the most part, anyway.

At the same time, I don't see much of a difference between base game and DLC. I can apply your logic to base game, too. People would possibly and perhaps probably also complain about Waluigi being in the base game, or better yet, being in the game at all as a playable, if he were added to begin with. Even if it isn't as strong as Byleth, people would still complain, as people do that all the time, for reasons (Waluigi being mainly in spin-offs, not liking the character, etc.) I don't see how things would be different here from adding him as DLC. Plus, even if they did not remove him before the game was released, they could still disable his assist trophy when he is playable on stage, or find a way to remove him in DLC. They were able to change the names of some spirit characters as shown a few days ago, like how they could if characters like Geno became playable as DLC, so they could find a way to do it for Waluigi.

Sorry, but your reasons seem just too minor to make it so Waluigi's reception as DLC would be bad as Byleth's reception. People could easily get over it better than getting over Byleth, for they would not be the same thing.

 

[Icewolff92]

At the same time, I don't see much of a difference between base game and DLC. I can apply your logic to base game, too. People would possibly and perhaps probably also complain about Waluigi being in the base game, or better yet, being in the game at all as a playable, if he were added to begin with. Even if it isn't as strong as Byleth, people would still complain, as people do that all the time, for reasons (Waluigi being mainly in spin-offs, not liking the character, etc.) I don't see how things would be different here from adding him as DLC. Plus, even if they did not remove him before the game was released, they could still disable his assist trophy when he is playable on stage, or find a way to remove him in DLC. They were able to change the names of some spirit characters as shown a few days ago, like how they could if characters like Geno became playable as DLC, so they could find a way to do it for Waluigi.

Sorry, but your reasons seem just too minor to make it so Waluigi's reception as DLC would be bad as Byleth's reception. People could easily get over it better than getting over Byleth, for they would not be the same thing.

Sorry.. but the DLC game compared to the base game does not work because of entirely different beasts even if you like it or not. Would people complain if he was in the base game? Of course, people would. Every character has gotten some form of backlash. But the circumstances of him getting into the base game compared to get into as DLC is not even close to the same. Sure, they could program so he won¨t appears as an AT if he were to be playable. But guess what.. Both Sakurai and Nintendo knows that it would cause less steer to add him in later if he is NOT an AT, to begin with.

Sure, some would go over it after a while, but it would still not go over as well as you might think. ESPECIALLY if they reveal him and Byleth back to back. He is more controversial then what you want to believe. Especially after the WSJ article.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I find it funny how most of the fans who say Smash has too many Mario characters are salty Fire Emblem fans trying to be contrarian, because that argument only started popping up when Fire Emblem was being put under that same light.

Good lord, this. Mario currently has 9 characters, the biggest franchise in gaming, while Fire Emblem has 8. We technically have two versions of Mario and two versions of Peach which brings down the original characters to 7. Pokemon has 10 characters. ONE is a technical clone. That's 9 original characters. Mario getting 2 wouldn't even be a big deal and literally TIE (again, Nintendo's flagship franchise and the most successful video game series ever) it with Pokemon for original characters.

 

[Icewolff92]

Good lord, this. Mario currently has 9 characters, the biggest franchise in gaming, while Fire Emblem has 8. We technically have two versions of Mario and two versions of Peach which brings down the original characters to 7. Pokemon has 10 characters. ONE is a technical clone. That's 9 original characters. Mario getting 2 wouldn't even be a big deal and literally TIE (again, Nintendo's flagship franchise and the most successful video game series ever) it with Pokemon for original characters.

That comment has mostly being created of the annoyance that is ""¤%"%¤"% they might as well call it Super Fire Emblem Bros" at this point when they don¨t even have the most amount of characters

 

[MattX20]

I find it funny how most of the fans who say Smash has too many Mario characters are salty Fire Emblem fans trying to be contrarian, because that argument only started popping up when Fire Emblem was being put under that same light.

My big problem with FE in the context of Smash is that it does a TERRIBLE job of representing the games as a whole, something that both Pokemon and Mario don't have. There are no ax users, lancers, archers, or any other weapon type or other classes in the game given a fair shake. Mario meanwhile, is represented in pretty much every part in playable character form, apart from the rpgs, which Geno would undeniably represent.

 

[Organization XIII]

One of the best selling DLC? Sorry, but your bias is clearly showing here. Selling more than the likes of Banjo or Cloud? Or (in cause they would get in) Dante, Sora, Master Chief and even Steve for that matter? For christ sake... don¨t fool yourself.

Also

A) We have the Assist Trophy squad that will go "YOU MAKE THIS MF PLAYABLE BUT NOT X OR Y" which will be a big deal.
B) Waluigi is mostly known because of memes. The Waluigi fanbase isn¨t exactly a fanbase that is taken seriously.
C) It would signal to people that... oh, so we just had to send enough death treats to Sakurai and we would have our character playable. Yes, it was not the majority but it would still signal that.
E) It will be even more argument about "wasted slots" than before.

Upgrading him would cause more harm then good.

Just because they "mock" the fanbase, doesn¨t mean it a good deal to do the same thing twice.. Especially in a row when they need someone to grab people to purchase the fighters pass.

Dude Ridley was the single most divisive character in speculation yet when he got in celebration drowned out the naysayers. Waluigi will be the same way.

 

[CannonStreak]

Sorry.. but the DLC game compared to the base game does not work because of entirely different beasts even if you like it or not. Would people complain if he was in the base game? Of course, people would. Every character has gotten some form of backlash. But the circumstances of him getting into the base game compared to get into as DLC is not even close to the same. Sure, they could program so he won¨t appear if he were to be playable. But guess what.. Both Sakurai and Nintendo knows that it would cause less steer to add him in later if he is NOT an AT, to begin with.

Sure, some would go over it after a while, but it would still not go over as well as you might think. ESPECIALLY if they reveal him and Byleth back to back. He is more controversial then what you want to believe. Especially after the WSJ article.

I am aware that Waluigi has had some controversy to him, but I still do not see it as strong as Byleth's. And on this line...

"Sakurai and Nintendo knows that it would cause less steer to add him in later if he is NOT an AT, to begin with."

Sorry, but I don't see how that can add to a character getting more backlash and controversy if he was added in as DLC rather than then the base game. That is just altering the functions of something in the game or removing it, and that, plus Waluigi already being an assist trophy, shouldn't have an impact on Waluigi's reception as a DLC character. Maybe it could be a little different from base game, but I don't see how being an assist trophy; which would perhaps be different from making a spirit like Geno playable, somewhat; I still do not see that, altering how he is in the game or any of what you said have to do with making him as controversial as Byleth if he got in. Like I said, Byleth had other reasons for having negative reception, and at least Waluigi is not from Fire Emblem or another anime swordsman.

I find it funny how most of the fans who say Smash has too many Mario characters are salty Fire Emblem fans trying to be contrarian, because that argument only started popping up when Fire Emblem was being put under that same light.

To me, Mario has a better excuse for having more characters, which is being Nintendo's flagship franchise. Now, keep in mind, this excuse is not big enough to warrant 20 or even 30 characters playable in Smash Bros. from the Mario universe, or maybe 15 or 16, but it has more going for it than Fire Emblem does in terms of having a number of characters nonetheless.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

My big problem with FE in the context of Smash is that it does a TERRIBLE job of representing the games as a whole, something that both Pokemon and Mario don't have. There are no ax users, lancers, archers, or any other weapon type or other classes in the game given a fair shake. Mario meanwhile, is represented in pretty much every part in playable character form, apart from the rpgs, which Geno would undeniably represent.

This is also an issue. They're getting better about it with Byleth using multiple weapons but... there really isn't anything they can do about it now until the next Smash comes around.

 

[Icewolff92]

Sorry, but your reasons seem just too minor to make it so Waluigi's reception as DLC would be bad as Byleth's reception. People could easily get over it better than getting over Byleth, for they would not be the same thing.

I love that you write could and not would. And yes, they would not be the same thing. Byleth is just another FE character (although not another pure sword fighter and from a recently released game that is critical and commercially successful) and the other one is one of the most controversial fans demanded pick that got even more trouble on him after the WSJ article that did not paint the fandom in a good light.

Dude Ridley was the single most divisive character in speculation yet when he got in celebration drowned out the naysayers. Waluigi will be the same way.

If he would end up in the base game yes. If he is DLC it will be FAAAAR worse.

Sorry, but I don't see how that can add to a character getting more backlash and controversy if he was added in as DLC rather than then the base game. That is just altering the functions of something in the game or removing it, and that, plus Waluigi already being an assist trophy, shouldn't have an impact on Waluigi's reception as a DLC character. Maybe it could be a little different from base game, but I don't see how being an assist trophy; which would perhaps be different from making a spirit like Geno playable, somewhat; I still do not see that, altering how he is in the game or any of what you said have to do with making him as controversial as Byleth if he got in. Like I said, Byleth had other reasons for having negative reception, and at least Waluigi is not from Fire Emblem or another anime swordsman.

Why it would not be a bigger deal if he had ended up in the base game?
A) The WSJ article would never have happened
B) The death threats would not have happened
C) The AT crowd would not get their wounds open and hope demolished yet again
D) We were all expecting DLC which made it clear that we weren¨t in the endgame as we are now.

See above why he would have more issues then Byleth. I can also add that he was WAAAAY better received then Corrin and that is saying something...

I don¨t care if Waluigi joins personally. But that doesn¨t mean that I can¨t see the cards on the table, knowing what would happen.

My big problem with FE in the context of Smash is that it does a TERRIBLE job of representing the games as a whole, something that both Pokemon and Mario don't have. There are no ax users, lancers, archers, or any other weapon type or other classes in the game given a fair shake. Mario meanwhile, is represented in pretty much every part in playable character form, apart from the rpgs, which Geno would undeniably represent.

Like I said before. The hardcore FE base would rather have like 5 unique than 8 where the majority is pure swords

 

[T2by4]

mod edit- no

His time is coming (and so am i).

 

[Organization XIII]

If he would end up in the base game yes. If he is DLC it will be FAAAAR worse.
Why it would not be a bigger deal?
A) The WSJ article would never have happened
B) The death threats would not have happened
C) The AT crowd would not get their wounds open and hope most likely demolished yet again
D) We were all expecting DLC which made it clear that we weren¨t in the endgame as we are now.

See above why he would have more issues then Byleth. I can also add that he was WAAAAY better received then Corrin so and that is saying something...

I think you are vastly underestimating how much people a. Get excited for fan favorites, b. how much hope he'd actually give other AT character supporters, and c. how little Nintendo listens to things people don't want.
Also there's no way he will have more controversy than Byleth or Corrin.

 

[Icewolff92]

I think you are vastly underestimating how much people a. Get excited for fan favorites, b. how much hope he'd actually give other AT character supporters, and c. how little Nintendo listens to things people don't want.

And no offense, but you are quite naive if you think Waluigi would go over so smoothly all things considered

Also there's no way he will have more controversy than Byleth or Corrin.

And yes, if there is any character that would, its him

 

[DaxMasterix]

Icewolff92 CannonStreak I think you should discuss that specific topic on Private, not in the Geno Thread.

 

[CannonStreak]

I love that you write could and not would. And yes, they would not be the same thing. Byleth is just another FE character (although not another pure sword fighter and from a recently released game that is critical and commercially successful) and the other one is one of the most controversial fans demanded pick that got even more trouble on him after the WSJ article that did not paint the fandom in a good light.


If he would end up in the base game yes. If he is DLC it will be FAAAAR worse.



Why it would not be a bigger deal?
A) The WSJ article would never have happened
B) The death threats would not have happened
C) The AT crowd would not get their wounds open and hope most likely demolished yet again
D) We were all expecting DLC which made it clear that we weren¨t in the endgame as we are now.

See above why he would have more issues then Byleth. I can also add that he was WAAAAY better received then Corrin so and that is saying something...



Like I said before. The hardcore FE base would rather have like 5 unique than 8 where the majority is pure swords

Icewolff, why consider an article from the Wall Street Journal, anway? Regardless of what it says, that is just someone's opinion in the end, as in the someone who wrote that. Not to mention, the Wall Street Journal is not a mainly gaming site, as in does not focus on that, and many people who work there probably aren't gamers to begin with. Why care of what one person has to say?

Plus, about Corrin, switch his Smash reveal with Byleth's and you'd say Corrin would be received better than Byleth. Thing is, it has been a while since Corrin was revealed for Smash 4, so there was enough time for people to ease up and probably ease up on the next Fire Emblem character, partly, maybe, but still.

And as for reasons I already explained, reception of Waluigi being in the base game compared to being DLC is not that different, especially since the reasons you gave, the Assist Trophy, the functions and all would not affect Waluigi's reception. Why would people even care about all that?

To try and get back on topic, just a little question: What are the odds of Geno getting revealed in the next Direct? I say they are low, but I would like to hear your thoughts, guys.

 

[Organization XIII]

And no offense, but you are quite naive if you think Waluigi would go over so smoothly all things considered

I am not naive I'm been in this community so long I know how'll they'll react. There will a crap ton of cheering. The people who said he wouldn't happen would get posted around as laughing points to enjoy and then in a couple of weeks all manner of discussion around the character in speculation would drop.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Dude Ridley was the single divisive character in speculation yet when he got in celebration drowned out the naysayers. Waluigi will be the same way.

Waluigi, gaming's biggest loser, finally gets his first important playable spot in a game in his 20 year existence and it's Super Smash Brothers no less; if that doesn't make you at least crack a smile, you're a sociopath.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I'm something of a chaotic neutral so I'd want Waluigi to get in just so I can see pandora's box open

That and he's a cool character in his own right

 

[CannonStreak]

Icewolff92 CannonStreak I think you should discuss that specific topic on Private, not in the Geno Thread.

What do you say, Icewolff92 ?

 

[Icewolff92]

I am not naive I'm been in this community so long I know how'll they'll react. There will a crap ton of cheering. The people who said he wouldn't happen would get posted around as laughing points to enjoy and then in a couple of weeks all manner of discussion around the character in speculation would drop.

And I have been in the community since the Brawl age... Your point is?

But let's agree to disagree before this thread get¨s locked

 

[Organization XIII]

And I have been in the community since the Brawl age... Your point is?

But let's agree to disagree before this

My point is hype demolishes hate. Every time. It happened for Ridley, it happened for Banjo, it happened for K Rool, it even happened for the stupid Sans costume and that's just Ultimate itself. If you think for 5 seconds a character breaking out of AT prison to deliver someone people have been begging for years will be met with more resistance than jubilation then I'd say you're the one being naive or you haven't been paying attention when you joined in Brawl

 

[CannonStreak]

My point is hype demolishes hate. Every time. It happened for Ridley, it happened for Banjo, it happened for K Rool, it even happened for the stupid Sans costume and that's just Ultimate itself. If you think for 5 seconds a character breaking out of AT prison to deliver someone people have been begging for years will be met with more resistance than jubilation then I'd say you're the one being naive or you haven't been paying attention when you joined in Brawl

Organization XIII, I do rather agree with your post, but let it go, okay?

 

[Icewolff92]

My point is hype demolishes hate. Every time. It happened for Ridley, it happened for Banjo, it happened for K Rool, it even happened for the stupid Sans costume and that's just Ultimate itself. If you think for 5 seconds a character breaking out of AT prison to deliver someone people have been begging for years will be met with more resistance than jubilation then I'd say you're the one being naive or you haven't been paying attention when you joined in Brawl

They are still not in the same position as Waluigi. But anyway, if you want to continue DM me and I gladly do so.

 

[Vector Victor]

This numbers game and spotlight issue is not a new discussion. In Brawl, people complained about Kirby bias due to how much focus the Kirby series got in SSE. In 4, there was backlash against Kid Icarus with how Pit bumped Yoshi out of the original 8, all the KI items and assists, the Guidances being weaker than the codecs, classic mode taking cues from Uprising, Palutena getting 12 unique moves and Dark Pit being the final straw (while Metroid and DK for example were still at 2 characters). This 'outrage' for lack of a better word was because a smaller series was hogging the spotlight.

And now its FE because its using the biggest draw for Smash too much: playable characters. People will be more forgiving (but will also voice disapproval) to Mario and Pokemon getting more characters as one is the face of video games and the other is one of the biggest media franchise on the literal planet. Both are cultural phenomena. There is no double standard to why is it ok for Mario to have 9 but not ok for FE to have 8. Mario can justify it. FE, despite being successful, cannot. DK could not justify 8 characters. Nor can Kirby. Zelda can justify another character. And so what if FE has a lot of characters? Zelda introduces new characters each game. Hell, they introduce new LINKS almost every game. Where's the 8 or 9 Links in Smash?

And that is the crux of the FE debate: a successful series is getting the recognition level of a series that is significantly much more successful. Basically, making a US history war class where the wars highlighted are Civil War, War World 2 and the War of 1812.

So if Geno or Waluigi are next, it will not be as big of a backlash as Byleth. Due to Mario's unquestionable worldwide historic success, more people will accept it, although begrudgingly. As for Incineroar, the backlash was mostly due to when he was revealed, not that he was the reveal.

If Dissidia added more FFVII characters after Cloud, Sephiroth and Tifa, people will complain and claim overrated or overexposure, but in the back of their mind they know why another character came (FFVII's star power). But if FFV or FFXII got the same high amount of characters, it would raise red flags and be met with more backlash. Those games are good; they just aren't that FFVII level.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Sometimes I wish there were notes on the brainstorming sessions for the SMRPG original characters.

"Okay, check it... What if... One of Mario's teammates is Pinocchio... but he's NAKED except for a hat, cape, and boots... And he fights with GUNS... REAL guns with REAL ammunition. Oh yeah, these guns are INSIDE him and he can turn into a CANNON!"

... "サー、これはウェンディーズです..."

 

[Polarthief]

This post is massive, I'm sorry. Also gets fairly off-topic >.>

Sorry but no.
A) We have the Assist Trophy squad that will go "YOU MAKE THIS MF PLAYABLE BUT NOT X OR Y" which will be a big deal.

If people cry over an AT being promoted, it just means Isaac, Shadow, Knuckles, Zero, etc has a chance of being DLC down the road.

B) Waluigi is mostly known because of memes. The Waluigi fanbase isn¨t exactly a fanbase that is taken seriously.

He's still missing and we should have more Mario characters.

PS: A LITERAL !@#$ING POTTED PLANT GOT IN BEFORE WALUIGI, and you're going to talk about memes being a NEGATIVE?

C) It would signal to people that... oh, so we just had to send enough death treats to Sakurai and we would have our character playable. Yes, it was not the majority but it would still signal that.

Sakurai gets death threats for every character they want in, or ones they don't when one gets revealed.

E)

*OCD intensifies*

It will be even more argument about "wasted slots" than before.

Ehhhh... Not if Sakurai makes a *real* character out of Waluigi. That's more than worth a slot.

Nintendo literally mocked the Smash fanbase in Byleth's trailer. Waluigi would make headlines the world over, no small exaggeration. Controversial? Yes. Would he sell like crazy? Holy hell, yes. A character that even Sakurai himself has mocked for not being playable becoming playable would be huge for a ton of reasons. Yes, not everyone wants him but people who don't think he would be a nuke of an announcement and be one of the best selling DLC characters are sadly mistaken.

Thank you Fatman, you always know how to put my thoughts into words. I'm notoriously terrible at forming coherent sentences.

Upgrading him would cause more harm then good.

It really wouldn't. Byleth being added caused way more harm, especially when the Smash community was mocked during their reveal.

Just to make one thing abundantly clear before I start. As long as the character isn¨t someone like Son Goku, Naruto, Batman (aka 4rh part reps) I¨m open minded towards anyone. I have my preference sure, but as I said. I¨m open-minded. With that said

Sakurai has gone on record saying any non-video game character is pretty much ineligible. All those characters you named have obviously been in video games, but they are not "video game characters" (similar to how Mario has been in a movie... kinda, and a few TV series, but in the same way, he's not a movie/cartoon character). Unless he changes his mind, none of those characters will ever be put in.

You are comparing base game towards DLC. That¨s a big difference.

Need I say it again about a literal potted plant that even Sakurai acknowledges is a joke character that you can no longer get for free and must pay for?

Edit - yes Geno would get anger from the "spirit group", but he has still less "backlash factors" going for him if he would be upgraded compared Waluigi

*you see both Byleths just waving from the distance, Smash invitations in hand despite the horde of angry people*

I find it funny how most of the fans who say Smash has too many Mario characters are salty Fire Emblem fans trying to be contrarian, because that argument only started popping up when Fire Emblem was being put under that same light.

How anyonme can think Smash has too many Mario characters, Nintendo's primary mascot/universe, is beyond me,

Just to remind everyone: Mario has 9, 1 of which is a total joke character (Plant), 1 of which is an Echo that is heavily memeable like Waluigi (Daisy). Fire Emblem has 8. EIGHT compared to Mario's NINE. Nintendo's PRIMARY mascot/series, and it has 9 characters, 10 if you count Yoshi (I probably would), 11 for Wario (also kinda would), and 12 for DK (I wouldn't here). Even still, Mario universe needs more characters. Waluigi and Geno would bolster that number nicely (even though Geno is barely a Mario character, just happens to exist in Mario's universe, kinda like Link and Samus in SMRPG, haha).

Good lord, this. Mario currently has 9 characters, the biggest franchise in gaming, while Fire Emblem has 8.

Isn't Pokemon technically "bigger"? Depends by the definition of "bigger", I guess. More well known among everyone, even non-gamers? Then yeah I'd agree with you in that Mario is the most recognizable icon of gaming.

That comment has mostly being created of the annoyance that is ""¤%"%¤"% they might as well call it Super Fire Emblem Bros" at this point when they don¨t even have the most amount of characters

Because Fire Emblem has a disproportionate amount of characters compared to others like Zelda and Kirby, both of which are way more known. Ffs, Pokemon has 10 if you count Pkmn Trainer as 3. POKEMON, the game with over EIGHT HUNDRED characters (FE is up to what, 600?) and is not only infinitely more successful, but infinitely more known than FE.

I'm just going to go ahead and say it: by far, FE has more characters than the series has any right deserving in the game compared to all series in Smash, and this is coming from someone who probably likes Fire Emblem more than he likes Smash. It would not matter if they all played vastly unique from one another and they all had different weapons (Sword, Lance, Axe, Bow, Magic, Byleth [all weapons], Robin [all magic], some 8th character who has all weapons and all magic), the series does not deserve as much as it has, not while other series like Zelda and Kirby have way less and are also more popular and well-known series. Fire Emblem is big, yes, but not *that* big, especially in the West. But anyway, we're done with FE; the chances of them adding another FE character during FP2 is practically nonexistent unless they truly wanted to piss everyone off because that would be a backlash significantly bigger than Byleth's.

All that said, we're going/have gone way off-topic now as usual, so let's reel it back in a bit.

 

[Vector Victor]

Sometimes I wish there were notes on the brainstorming sessions for the SMRPG original characters.

"Okay, check it... What if... One of Mario's teammates is Pinocchio... but he's NAKED except for a hat, cape, and boots... And he fights with GUNS... REAL guns with REAL ammunition. Oh yeah, these guns are INSIDE him and he can turn into a CANNON!"

... "サー、これはウェンディーズです..."

Let's give him weapon called a Hand Cannon where it fires from the elbow.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

Y’know, I’ve seen a lot of people say on the internet that Geno fans, Waluigi fans, Sora fans, etc. are sending death threats to Sakurai but the funny thing is, we haven’t seen much evidence supporting these claims...

Perhaps people are just virtue signaling and saying stuff like “Just heard that (insert fan favorite character people want in smash) fans are sending Sakurai death threats, and honestly I am shocked and repulsed!!”. Or maybe they’re using this narrative to detract from these fans. A fanbase that sends death threats isn’t exactly a good look.

But what do I know! Let’s just use the rare instances where a couple of idiots have sent Sakurai death threats as ways to undermine an entire fanbase, hahaha!

 

[Polarthief]

Phew. Again, sorry about that massive wall of replies. Now, back to Geno...

Sometimes I wish there were notes on the brainstorming sessions for the SMRPG original characters.

"Okay, check it... What if... One of Mario's teammates is Pinocchio... but he's NAKED except for a hat, cape, and boots... And he fights with GUNS... REAL guns with REAL ammunition. Oh yeah, these guns are INSIDE him and he can turn into a CANNON!"

... "サー、これはウェンディーズです..."

I would love to read those notes/listen in on that brainstorm. Also Mallow too. "He's a cloud that has magical powers and somehow thinks he's a tadpole/frog for the entirety of his life prior to the game starting."

Let's give him weapon called a Hand Cannon where it fires from the elbow.

Finger Shot, but it doesn't shoot fingers. Hand Gun, but it's not a gun you hold in your hand, also it's more of an SMG than a pistol (handgun).

Y’know, I’ve seen a lot of people say on the internet that Geno fans, Waluigi fans, Sora fans, etc. are sending death threats to Sakurai but the funny thing is, we haven’t seen much evidence supporting these claims...

I'm willing to bet every large-scale community wanting a character has sent at least one death/very very angry threat by now. Extremists exist everywhere and they should all be condemned, even if they're on your side.

 

[Icewolff92]

Polarthief If you want to continue the discussion, DM me

 

[Polarthief]

Polarthief If you want to continue the discussion, DM me

TBH I'm good. We've all said some things, but I think it's time to move on to what we're all here for: Our favorite possessed piece of wood-and-cloth.

(you're free to DM me if you wish, but I think I've said all I wanted to say)

 

[Fatmanonice]

Y’know, I’ve seen a lot of people say on the internet that Geno fans, Waluigi fans, Sora fans, etc. are sending death threats to Sakurai but the funny thing is, we haven’t seen much evidence supporting these claims...

Perhaps people are just virtue signaling and saying stuff like “Just heard that (insert fan favorite character people want in smash) fans are sending Sakurai death threats, and honestly I am shocked and repulsed!!”. Or maybe they’re using this narrative to detract from these fans. A fanbase that sends death threats isn’t exactly a good look.

But what do I know! Let’s just use the rare instances where a couple of idiots have sent Sakurai death threats as ways to undermine an entire fanbase, hahaha!

>Implying that a man who singlehandedly made the fighting movesets for 75 unique characters and counting doesn't know how to instantaneously kill a man in thousands of ways.

 

[Vector Victor]

>Implying that a man who singlehandedly made the fighting movesets for 75 unique characters and counting doesn't know how to instantaneously kill a man in thousands of ways.

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When up against a threat, Sakurai will just wave dash and Fox Reflector to victory.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

>Implying that a man who singlehandedly made the fighting movesets for 75 unique characters and counting doesn't know how to instantaneously kill a man in thousands of ways.

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You may think you’re threatening the man’s life but in actuality you’re accepting a duel with him. He can count how many ways to kill you on his fingers, all in binary.

 

[Spatulo]

You may think you’re threatening the man’s life but in actuality you’re accepting a duel with him. He can count how many ways to kill you on his fingers, all in binary.

1023. 1023 unique ways that Masahiro Sakurai can end your feeble existence.

Pick a number. But choose wisely

 

[MisterMike]

Waluigi, gaming's biggest loser, finally gets his first important playable spot in a game in his 20 year existence and it's Super Smash Brothers no less; if that doesn't make you at least crack a smile, you're a sociopath.

What if you don't have a mouth, and thus can't smile? Are you saying all mouthless people are sociopaths? Wow, I expected so much better from you, Fatman. Consider my head shooken.

 

[link2702]

I know it's been mentioned several times in the past, but I do look back and honestly think it's amazing how far Geno has come.

He was quite literally just a side character in the mario universe, in an RPG co-developed by square(sure we can all argue he's central to the plot of SMRPG and thus a main character, but in the overall grand scheme of the mario universe as a whole, he was just a side character). From a game that did well enough, but honestly was releaseed during the SNES's end life when everyone was focusing on the n64 and this brave new world of 3D. He's made literally just one cameo appearance in another mario game, and after that nothing. Yet determination by fans of Geno, and fans of SMRPG in general and the world square helped create making it very different from any other mario world, kept the character alive.

Fast forward to now, and not only has SMRPG itself started to gain the recognition it truly deserved as a legendary SNES title and one of the best games on the system, but Geno himself has gotten popular enough to have millions now supporting him. People who never played SMRPG, still see why so many like the character and feel he would be a good fit for smash, his name is now commonly spoken of as one of the most likely contenders everywhere, with many major gaming outlets and journalists showing their support for him, he even has the backing of the social media account of a huge retailer chain with Walmart.

Geno could have went the way of multiple other characters in the mario universe, forgotten entirely by gamers, as well as Nintendo, Yet not only has he survived, but his popularity has skyrocketed.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Sometimes I just sit and wonder how not only SMRPG got made but how Miyamoto approved it and heavily supervised the project without having a stroke.

"Ha ha, in this scene, (get this, it's HILARIOUS)...Mario and Bowser accidentally kiss!"

Miyamoto:

 

[Polarthief]

"Ha ha, in this scene, (get this, it's HILARIOUS)...Mario and Bowser accidentally kiss!"

"Feels like sandpaper!"

 

[Houndstooth]

Banjo is the absolute definition of humanoid animal (aka: anthropomorphic, [aka: furry]). Kazooie isn't quite humanoid, but does talk and should be considered in the same category with Banjo.

KKR walks both on 2 and 4 limbs (usually 2 when walking/jogging and 4 when running/sprinting) and is rather humanoid-esque for a gator. Despite not talking in his Smash incarnation, he has talked in DK64 and the original DKC series IIRC.

DK and Diddy I was actually iffy on. They could go either way. TBH though they're "humanoid-esque" because they're literally monkeys, you know, those animals that humans such as us are the closest to? Does that make put them in this specific humanoid category though? Eh. They could go either way.

That said, the entire point of the picture is to point out that we have a lot of humans, a *LOT* of humans. Even if I removed a few (Bayo, Pitx2, and Palutena), we're still at 44 humans to 38 non-humans+human-like animals/creatures. Also let's be honest, FTL was right: "Humans are common and uninteresting" compared to other races, mostly since we're humans and we generally understand and know our species more than non-humans. All that said, let's get our favorite non-human, Geno, in there to help balance out the numbers a bit, eh?

lol. Yes, I do know what monkeys are. Was just addressing what I thought was odd is all. Nothing more.

You point out K. Rool talks outside of his Smash incarnation. Having not played DK64 in a long time, I guess I assumed they would belong in the same category is all. I do know monkeys are human-like, though. Lol.