Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Nicnac]

If the Big One is a SMRPG remake then yeah, he's gotta be coming. On the other hand I think it might be Golden Sun.

 

[pinshadow]

If the Big One is a SMRPG remake then yeah, he's gotta be coming. On the other hand I think it might be Golden Sun.

He has said multiple times now that it's not Mario RPG related.

Whatever, lets get back on topic with Geno. If you do think he's going to happen, what slot on the pass is he, personally I'm going with 6, ballsy but I don't see Geno as an E3 reveal and it lines up with other stuff I'm thinking about.

 

[SSGuy]

It's tough considering the whole mii costume thing is hard to track. I am banking on the next three mii costume waves to determine his fate.

 

[MattX20]

It's tough considering the whole mii costume thing is hard to track. I am banking on the next three mii costume waves to determine his fate.

I think that if anything, if Geno weren't meant to be playable, his Mii Costume would've shown up in Season 1 with the DQ heroes.

 

[Axelocke]

Geno also just makes sense to me as a DLC character in a Rated E fighting game. I did a (admittedly nerdy) survey with my younger siblings, cousins, etc about preferred character types and found in majority that they preferred non human characters.

In a poularity poll for each of the DLC, not one of my relatives voted for or knew who Hero, Joker, or Byleth were. Though Terry did get a few votes for his "cool look"

I explained which series these characters were from, though they had no clue. Being that it was a younger audience it was understandable. (Though my family is Canadian so the games may have not been really advertised or we didn't catch any sight of them.)

I just find it really cool that Nintendo is including all these mature franchises for older audiences while also including some for the young'uns!

I could see Geno not only as a great old school addition, but a nice eyecatching character that kids may want to look into more, finding out his origins as a Mario character, who he is, etc.

It was quite a wholesome time with family I rarely get a chance to talk to!

 

[Icewolff92]

So the board has truly blown up while I was gone... Any news regarding Geno?

 

[T2by4]

So the board has truly blown up while I was gone... Any news regarding Geno?

Nop

 

[pinshadow]

So the board has truly blown up while I was gone... Any news regarding Geno?

Its actually been pretty chill all things considered. As for the thread blowing up, just Fatman talking about the R-word again, aside from him thinking SMRPG is one of the games coming to SNES online its nothing Geno related either. I'm sure something interesting will happen soon though, getting that feeling.

 

[Polarthief]

Geno also just makes sense to me as a DLC character in a Rated E fighting game. I did a (admittedly nerdy) survey with my younger siblings, cousins, etc about preferred character types and found in majority that they preferred non human characters.

Obviously not a great sample size, but we have TONS of human characters already. It'd be nice to get more non-humans.

So just for fun (or out of being insane), I took the character select screen and broke them down into 3 categories: Human, Humanoid, and non-Humanoid. Humans are crossed out with a red line, humanoids are crossed out with a green line, and the non-humanoids are circled in blue or yellow (to make them stand out based on the colors of the background). I also specified "humanoid" as "anything non-human that acts like a human", examples would be Fox, Falco, and Wolf all being anthropomorphic animals, or Mega Man being an android (which is defined as a robot that is designed to look like a human). I also did count people that are so-clearly-humans but not actually by lore (such as the Pits and Palutena). I know they're heavenly beings and such, but c'mon, they're humans with wings and powers. Bayo too (I think idk, I didn't actually play her game yet).

PS: I accidentally ****ed up on Pokemon Trainer because I was just going through the motions, and they're a human to me, but then by the time I realized it, it was WAY too late to go back and change it, so it has a white line, lol.

The totals are:
- Humans (red line): 48 (Miis are all separate; Random I didn't count despite the line, idk why I crossed that out, lol)
- Humanoids (green line): 20
- Non-Humanoids (blue or yellow circles): 14 (Pokemon Trainer was counted 3x)

TBH more than I expected before doing this, especially in the non-humanoid department. DISCLAIMER: I also think I could make some slight adjustments, like Ridley and Greninja could be considered more humanoid than non, but there's a decent amouunt of wiggle room and it's up to your own interpretation. Point is, it'd be nice to get more "non-humanoids and "humanoids" than more humans, which beat out non-humans ~48-34. Geno would be one of those weird ones between the lines of humanoid and non-humanoid (since the doll is virtually humanoid, but the actual living star spirit is definitely not).

 

[Just a random scrub]

Obviously not a great sample size, but we have TONS of human characters already. It'd be nice to get more non-humans.

So just for fun (or out of being insane), I took the character select screen and broke them down into 3 categories: Human, Humanoid, and non-Humanoid. Humans are crossed out with a red line, humanoids are crossed out with a green line, and the non-humanoids are circled in blue or yellow (to make them stand out based on the colors of the background). I also specified "humanoid" as "anything non-human that acts like a human", examples would be Fox, Falco, and Wolf all being anthropomorphic animals, or Mega Man being an android (which is defined as a robot that is designed to look like a human). I also did count people that are so-clearly-humans but not actually by lore (such as the Pits and Palutena). I know they're heavenly beings and such, but c'mon, they're humans with wings and powers. Bayo too (I think idk, I didn't actually play her game yet).

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PS: I accidentally ****ed up on Pokemon Trainer because I was just going through the motions, and they're a human to me, but then by the time I realized it, it was WAY too late to go back and change it, so it has a white line, lol.

The totals are:
- Humans (red line): 48 (Miis are all separate; Random I didn't count despite the line, idk why I crossed that out, lol)
- Humanoids (green line): 20
- Non-Humanoids (blue or yellow circles): 14 (Pokemon Trainer was counted 3x)

TBH more than I expected before doing this, especially in the non-humanoid department. DISCLAIMER: I also think I could make some slight adjustments, like Ridley and Greninja could be considered more humanoid than non, but there's a decent amouunt of wiggle room and it's up to your own interpretation. Point is, it'd be nice to get more "non-humanoids and "humanoids" than more humans, which beat out non-humans ~48-34. Geno would be one of those weird ones between the lines of humanoid and non-humanoid (since the doll is virtually humanoid, but the actual living star spirit is definitely not).

Why did you mark Kirby as a humanoid? Especially since you marked the similar looking Jigglypuff as a non-humanoid. I understand most of these, but I don't understand that at all. He's one of the least human-like characters on the roster I'd say

 

[Polarthief]

Why did you mark Kirby as a humanoid? Especially since you marked the similar looking Jigglypuff as a non-humanoid. I understand most of these, but I don't understand that at all. He's one of the least human-like characters on the roster I'd say

TBH I had him unmarked, but had Meta Knight marked. Similarly, I had Bowser unmarked (based purely on his Smash incarnation, NOT based on other incarnations), but Jr marked. I felt like it'd be weird to split same-species characters like that.

Bowser (in his Smash-specific incarnation) and Kirby could easily go either way. If Meta Knight didn't exist, I probably would have made Kirby non-humanoid. That said, I think we can agree they're not humans, and that was the main purpose of this exercise.

 

[Icewolff92]

Nop

Its actually been pretty chill all things considered. As for the thread blowing up, just Fatman talking about the R-word again, aside from him thinking SMRPG is one of the games coming to SNES online its nothing Geno related either. I'm sure something interesting will happen soon though, getting that feeling.

Okay. Hopefully we getting something soon so we know what track we are on.

 

[Polarthief]

Okay. Hopefully we getting something soon so we know what track we are on.

Well according to that one tweet earlier, we're getting "a lot of confirmations next week". That likely means a Nintendo Direct, so let's all keep our eyes peeled, keep our (probably very excited) expectations in check, and not flip out if we see a non-Geno character for DLC 6. The only times we can flip out is if he is put in or deconfirmed out (via a Mii costume or something).

 

[CannonStreak]

Well according to that one tweet earlier, we're getting "a lot of confirmations next week". That likely means a Nintendo Direct, so let's all keep our eyes peeled, keep our (probably very excited) expectations in check, and not flip out if we see a non-Geno character for DLC 6. The only times we can flip out is if he is put in or deconfirmed out (via a Mii costume or something).

Next week? Don’t you mean this week, since it is Sunday, which is the beginning of a full week? Unless, you truly mean next week?

 

[Polarthief]

Next week? Don’t you mean this week, since it is Sunday, which is the beginning of a full week? Unless, you truly mean next week?

I wouldn't know. They posted that literally this morning at 2AM, so they could mean "next week" as in "later this week" since you could argue it to be "very late Saturday night, before they went to sleep", or they truly did mean "next week, the second [third?] week of February". Unfortunately, I'm not that person, and I have no insider information whatsoever, so I can't answer. I can only speculate.

 

[Aerospherology]

Next week? Don’t you mean this week, since it is Sunday, which is the beginning of a full week? Unless, you truly mean next week?

It depends on Markomaro's definition on the beginning day of a week.

 

[CannonStreak]

It depends on Markomaro's definition on the beginning day of a week.

Maybe he means beginning on Monday, then?

 

[pinshadow]

Everything seems to be pointing to this week, leaks have pretty much reached critical mass and the way people are acting is very much implying that stuff is indeed happenning.

I'm just praying Nintendo isn't stupid enough to have no Smash, lets be real here, I'd normally be fine with a DLC break but Byleth has done absolutely nothing to calm tensions. Like after the last Smash direct in 2018 people just chilled out after the initial salt and speculated on DLC. With Byleth it doesn't even feel like anything happened. It's just like we spent months arguing over it and then they just dropped Byleth alone in the middle of January, and we just went back to arguing. I just feel like we've spent the last 5 months since the Terry reveal building up to something that still hasn't happenned.

 

[Polarthief]

Maybe he means beginning on Monday, then?

We'll know in a few days since announcements are usually on Tuesday for a Thursday direct, right?

I'm just praying Nintendo isn't stupid enough to have no Smash

Oh god I cannot imagine the crapstorm if we don't get DLC 6 revealed. That would very likely be no information about FP2 until E3, despite already selling it by the end of January. FP1 was available for pre-purchase before the game launched, but Joker was revealed hours before the game launched as well. This ~1-2 weeks of being able to purchase it is already kinda iffy, but having ~4.5 MONTHS of it being available would be really... bad.

 

[CannonStreak]

We'll know in a few days since announcements are usually on Tuesday for a Thursday direct, right?

You got it, Polar! I'd like Monday, which I believe has happened before, but that would probably be wishful thinking on my part. Still, can't wait for Tuesday to come!

And if nothing happens, something is up at Nintendo, something not good.

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

Everything seems to be pointing to this week, leaks have pretty much reached critical mass and the way people are acting is very much implying that stuff is indeed happenning.

I'm just praying Nintendo isn't stupid enough to have no Smash, lets be real here, I'd normally be fine with a DLC break but Byleth has done absolutely nothing to calm tensions. Like after the last Smash direct in 2018 people just chilled out after the initial salt and speculated on DLC. With Byleth it doesn't even feel like anything happened. It's just like we spent months arguing over it and then they just dropped Byleth alone in the middle of January, and we just went back to arguing. I just feel like we've spent the last 5 months since the Terry reveal building up to something that still hasn't happenned.

While I'm still hoping for news, let's be real. Even if the next reveal was the (nonexistent hypothetical) fighter of every speculator's dreams, the fanbase would be at one another's throats again in two weeks, tops. That said, news >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no news.

 

[Houndstooth]

Obviously not a great sample size, but we have TONS of human characters already. It'd be nice to get more non-humans.

So just for fun (or out of being insane), I took the character select screen and broke them down into 3 categories: Human, Humanoid, and non-Humanoid. Humans are crossed out with a red line, humanoids are crossed out with a green line, and the non-humanoids are circled in blue or yellow (to make them stand out based on the colors of the background). I also specified "humanoid" as "anything non-human that acts like a human", examples would be Fox, Falco, and Wolf all being anthropomorphic animals, or Mega Man being an android (which is defined as a robot that is designed to look like a human). I also did count people that are so-clearly-humans but not actually by lore (such as the Pits and Palutena). I know they're heavenly beings and such, but c'mon, they're humans with wings and powers. Bayo too (I think idk, I didn't actually play her game yet).

View attachment 260715

PS: I accidentally ****ed up on Pokemon Trainer because I was just going through the motions, and they're a human to me, but then by the time I realized it, it was WAY too late to go back and change it, so it has a white line, lol.

The totals are:
- Humans (red line): 48 (Miis are all separate; Random I didn't count despite the line, idk why I crossed that out, lol)
- Humanoids (green line): 20
- Non-Humanoids (blue or yellow circles): 14 (Pokemon Trainer was counted 3x)

TBH more than I expected before doing this, especially in the non-humanoid department. DISCLAIMER: I also think I could make some slight adjustments, like Ridley and Greninja could be considered more humanoid than non, but there's a decent amouunt of wiggle room and it's up to your own interpretation. Point is, it'd be nice to get more "non-humanoids and "humanoids" than more humans, which beat out non-humans ~48-34. Geno would be one of those weird ones between the lines of humanoid and non-humanoid (since the doll is virtually humanoid, but the actual living star spirit is definitely not).

K. Rool/Banjo + Kazooie, but DK and Diddy aren't? I would have probably considered them the same, I guess?

 

[Icewolff92]

Everything seems to be pointing to this week, leaks have pretty much reached critical mass and the way people are acting is very much implying that stuff is indeed happenning.

I'm just praying Nintendo isn't stupid enough to have no Smash, lets be real here, I'd normally be fine with a DLC break but Byleth has done absolutely nothing to calm tensions. Like after the last Smash direct in 2018 people just chilled out after the initial salt and speculated on DLC. With Byleth it doesn't even feel like anything happened. It's just like we spent months arguing over it and then they just dropped Byleth alone in the middle of January, and we just went back to arguing. I just feel like we've spent the last 5 months since the Terry reveal building up to something that still hasn't happenned.

The reaction towards the character begs to differ

 

[Fatmanonice]

Kind of surprised a lot of people argue with me about Geno coming after Waluigi. "But they're both Mario characters. We live in a society, sir."

1. Geno and Waluigi are nothing alike. Design wise, Geno is so wildly different from a vast majority of Mario characters that most people wouldn't even know unless you outright told them. A doll that doubles as basically a transforming mech with literal firearms doesn't exactly scream "Mario."

"Ha ha, what does Geno shoot? Corks? Paintballs?"

Uh, bullets. Actual bullets. Geno doesn't **** around.

2. Characters being from the same series but announced back to back isn't unusual. Bowser and Peach. Ganondorf and Young Link. Solo Zard and Greninja. Palutena and Dark Pit. Lucina and Robin. Simon and Richter. This doesn't even include the combo characters that all technically count individually and the Mii Fighters. Waluigi and Geno being announced in two separate presentations really isn't a huge stretch with this in mind.

 

[Polarthief]

K. Rool/Banjo + Kazooie, but DK and Diddy aren't? I would have probably considered them the same, I guess?

Banjo is the absolute definition of humanoid animal (aka: anthropomorphic, [aka: furry]). Kazooie isn't quite humanoid, but does talk and should be considered in the same category with Banjo.

KKR walks both on 2 and 4 limbs (usually 2 when walking/jogging and 4 when running/sprinting) and is rather humanoid-esque for a gator. Despite not talking in his Smash incarnation, he has talked in DK64 and the original DKC series IIRC.

DK and Diddy I was actually iffy on. They could go either way. TBH though they're "humanoid-esque" because they're literally monkeys, you know, those animals that humans such as us are the closest to? Does that make put them in this specific humanoid category though? Eh. They could go either way.

That said, the entire point of the picture is to point out that we have a lot of humans, a *LOT* of humans. Even if I removed a few (Bayo, Pitx2, and Palutena), we're still at 44 humans to 38 non-humans+human-like animals/creatures. Also let's be honest, FTL was right: "Humans are common and uninteresting" compared to other races, mostly since we're humans and we generally understand and know our species more than non-humans. All that said, let's get our favorite non-human, Geno, in there to help balance out the numbers a bit, eh?

"Ha ha, what does Geno shoot? Corks? Paintballs?"

Uh, bullets. Actual bullets. Geno doesn't **** around.

In order of the weapons you get in the game: Arm Rocket (Unarmed), Bullets (Finger Shot), Many Bullets (Hand Gun), Two Arm Rockets (Double Punch), Cannonballs, Which Are Just Bigger Bullets (Hand Cannon), and LITERALLY !@#$ING STARS (Star Gun).

Also if you look at his specials: Lasers (Geno Beam), A Rotating Probably-Bladed Frisbee Of Death (Geno Whirl), The Literal Heavens Above Smiting Thine Enemies(?) (Geno Blast), and Turning Into A Cannon To Shoot What Appears To Be A Freaking Sun With A Face (Geno Flash).

2. Characters being from the same series but announced back to back isn't unusual. Bowser and Peach. Ganondorf and Young Link. Solo Zard and Greninja. Palutena and Dark Pit. Lucina and Robin. Simon and Richter. This doesn't even include the combo characters that all technically count individually and the Mii Fighters. Waluigi and Geno being announced in two separate presentations really isn't a huge stretch with this in mind.

Let's also not forget that Ultimate has added 2 characters to the Mario universe, an echo of an existing character and what even Sakurai acknowledges as a joke character. We could definitely use a few more in Smash, given that even Fire Emblem received 2 characters in this game as well.

 

[Icewolff92]

Kind of surprised a lot of people argue with me about Geno coming after Waluigi. "But they're both Mario characters. We live in a society, sir."

It's more of a question of... do they really want more controversy on top of earlier controversy. Waluigi would come with as much controversy as an FE character if not more at this point in time (and that is coming from someone that finds him underused). and yes, I¨m on the camp that he won¨t most likely be upgraded

 

[Polarthief]

It's more of a question of... do they really want more controversy on top of earlier controversy. Waluigi would come with as much controversy as an FE character if not more at this point in time (and that is coming from someone that find him underused)

In what way would that be true? I don't see how Waluigi would remotely be close to another FE character in terms of controversy.

Like yeah many people wouldn't be happy, but it wouldn't come close to the hatred Byleth got.

 

[Icewolff92]

Like yeah many people wouldn't be happy, but it wouldn't come close to the hatred Byleth got.

Sorry but no.
A) We have the Assist Trophy squad that will go "YOU MAKE THIS MF PLAYABLE BUT NOT X OR Y" which will be a big deal.
B) Waluigi is mostly known because of memes. The Waluigi fanbase isn¨t exactly a fanbase that is taken seriously.
C) It would signal to people that... oh, so we just had to send enough death treats to Sakurai and we would have our character playable. Yes, it was not the majority but it would still signal that.
E) It will be even more argument about "wasted slots" than before.

So yes, it would be on par with Byleth, most likely more. If you want him, that's fine by me.. but don¨t kid yourself that it would go off "smoothly".

 

[Giga Kaiju]

Man, that would be something. A direct happens, but there's NO SMASH news. Absolutely NONE.

The reactions would be interesting to say the least.

.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It's more of a question of... do they really want more controversy on top of earlier controversy. Waluigi would come with as much controversy as an FE character if not more at this point in time (and that is coming from someone that find him underused)

Nintendo literally mocked the Smash fanbase in Byleth's trailer. Waluigi would make headlines the world over, no small exaggeration. Controversial? Yes. Would he sell like crazy? Holy hell, yes. A character that even Sakurai himself has mocked for not being playable becoming playable would be huge for a ton of reasons. Yes, not everyone wants him but people who don't think he would be a nuke of an announcement and be one of the best selling DLC characters are sadly mistaken.

 

[Icewolff92]

Nintendo literally mocked the Smash fanbase in Byleth's trailer. Waluigi would make headlines the world over, no small exaggeration. Controversial? Yes. Would he sell like crazy? Holy hell, yes. A character that even Sakurai himself has mocked for not being playable becoming playable would be huge for a ton of reasons. Yes, not everyone wants him but people who don't think he would be a nuke of an announcement and be one of the best selling DLC characters are sadly mistaken.

One of the best selling DLC? Sorry, but your bias is clearly showing here. Selling more than the likes of Banjo or Cloud? Or (in cause they would get in) Dante, Sora, Master Chief and even Steve for that matter? For christ sake... don¨t fool yourself.

Also

A) We have the Assist Trophy squad that will go "YOU MAKE THIS MF PLAYABLE BUT NOT X OR Y" which will be a big deal.
B) Waluigi is mostly known because of memes. The Waluigi fanbase isn¨t exactly a fanbase that is taken seriously.
C) It would signal to people that... oh, so we just had to send enough death treats to Sakurai and we would have our character playable. Yes, it was not the majority but it would still signal that.
E) It will be even more argument about "wasted slots" than before.

Upgrading him would cause more harm then good.

Just because they "mock" the fanbase, doesn¨t mean it a good deal to do the same thing twice.. Especially in a row when they need someone to grab people to purchase the fighters pass.

 

[CannonStreak]

Sorry but no.
A) We have the Assist Trophy squad that will go "YOU MAKE THIS MF PLAYABLE BUT NOT X OR Y" which will be a big deal.
B) Waluigi is mostly known because of memes. The Waluigi fanbase isn¨t exactly a fanbase that is taken seriously.
C) It would signal to people that... oh, so we just had to send enough death treats to Sakurai and we would have our character playable. Yes, it was not the majority but it would still signal that.
E) It will be even more argument about "wasted slots" than before.

So yes, it would be on par with Byleth, most likely more. If you want him, that's fine by me.. but don¨t kid yourself that it would go off "smoothly".

If they wanted Waluigi in, he should have been in the base game in the base game

Sorry, but those are minor reasons. First off, saying Waluigi has little chance of getting in Smash as a playable character because he is known because of memes is like saying King K. Rool can't get in because he is irrelevant, oh wait. That did not stop K. Rool, and that situation, to me, is similar enough to being popular because of memes. Relevancy did not stop K. Rool from getting in, so being known for memes is not going to stop Waluigi, if anything. Plus, he is still popular, like how K. Rool was, and popularity is how K. Rool mainly got in. That said, being popular, regardless of why, should be a good reason for Sakurai to add a character like Waluigi.

That said, those death threats you mentioned are not a good reason to not add a character, and those complaining about Sakurai making a character playable instead of "X or Y", that happens all the time with other characters. What is the big deal on that? Plus, for wasted slots, I don't think there is a thing as slots, as all characters are decided before the development of the game begins. It's not like they leave a character slot open DURING development midway for people ask Sakurai to take up sometime in development. It doesn't work that way. Very few people realize this, it seems.

Sorry, but I find those reasons for Waluigi being received as badly as Byleth to be quite petty. Byleth had other reasons Waluigi does not have. It is not the same.

That said, let me ask: How will you all celebrate if Geno gets in?

 

[Spatulo]

Nintendo literally mocked the Smash fanbase in Byleth's trailer. Waluigi would make headlines the world over, no small exaggeration. Controversial? Yes. Would he sell like crazy? Holy hell, yes. A character that even Sakurai himself has mocked for not being playable becoming playable would be huge for a ton of reasons. Yes, not everyone wants him but people who don't think he would be a nuke of an announcement and be one of the best selling DLC characters are sadly mistaken.

While I can understand Smash fans’ irritation at how much Fire Emblem representation is in the game, I think arguing against the Mario representation is a harder sell lol. If any franchise should get multiple DLC characters it’s Mario

 

[Fatmanonice]

Nintendo's general take when the fans complain about their character choices:

 

[CannonStreak]

Nintendo's general take when the fans complain about their character choices:

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Just to say it not to you, but others who don't know, even if they don't think of it as trash, Nintendo has so much to do on many things that it is hard for them to listen to every little complaint or not so important feedback out there, don't you all think? Not that their feedback and complaints are trash, but still...

 

[DaxMasterix]

Remember that a Mod posted recently to keep the topic Geno-Related. Don't bump this thread again .w.)/

 

[Icewolff92]

Sorry, but those are minor reasons. First off, saying Waluigi has little chance of getting in Smash as a playable character because he is known because of memes is like saying King K. Rool can't get in because he is irrelevant, oh wait. That did not stop K. Rool, and that situation, to me, is similar enough to being popular because of memes. Relevancy did not stop K. Rool from getting in, so being known for memes is not going to stop Waluigi, if anything. Plus, he is still popular, like how K. Rool was, and popularity is how K. Rool mainly got in. That said, being popular, regardless of why, should be a good reason for Sakurai to add a character like Waluigi.

Just to make one thing abundantly clear before I start. As long as the character isn¨t someone like Son Goku, Naruto, Batman (aka 4rh part reps) I¨m open minded towards anyone. I have my preference sure, but as I said. I¨m open-minded. With that said

You are comparing base game towards DLC. That¨s a big difference. There would have been a different set of factors involved if Waluigi were included in the base game compared to be revealed now. Especially after Byleth who got their share of backlash on their own. We are in the end game, not half way through (base game)

That said, those death threats you mentioned are not a good reason to not add a character, and those complaining about Sakurai making a character playable instead of "X or Y", that happens all the time with other characters. What is the big deal on that? Plus, for wasted slots, I don't think there is a thing as slots, as all characters are decided before the development of the game begins. It's not like they leave a character slot open DURING development midway for people ask Sakurai to take up sometime in development. It doesn't work that way. Very few people realize this, it seems.

About the death threats... well, does Nintendo want to signal to their fans that if you send enough death threats, you get said thing?? No....

Also.. f they wanted Waluigi open for DLC, they could have easily removed him before the game released, if the timeframe that Fatman claims on when Sakurai was approached about DLC. It is easier to remove then add.

Edit - yes Geno would get anger from the "spirit group", but he has still less "backlash factors" going for him if he would be upgraded compared Waluigi

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Kind of surprised a lot of people argue with me about Geno coming after Waluigi. "But they're both Mario characters. We live in a society, sir."

1. Geno and Waluigi are nothing alike. Design wise, Geno is so wildly different from a vast majority of Mario characters that most people wouldn't even know unless you outright told them. A doll that doubles as basically a transforming mech with literal firearms doesn't exactly scream "Mario."

"Ha ha, what does Geno shoot? Corks? Paintballs?"

Uh, bullets. Actual bullets. Geno doesn't **** around.

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2. Characters being from the same series but announced back to back isn't unusual. Bowser and Peach. Ganondorf and Young Link. Solo Zard and Greninja. Palutena and Dark Pit. Lucina and Robin. Simon and Richter. This doesn't even include the combo characters that all technically count individually and the Mii Fighters. Waluigi and Geno being announced in two separate presentations really isn't a huge stretch with this in mind.

Geno is about to vibe check some fools

 

[valkiriforce]

I think Geno getting into Smash Ultimate would have a very positive impact. I'm usually surprised at how many people would like to see Geno get in from various places online. Of course that's not ignoring there's obviously a loud bunch of peeps who attack him at every turn, but like with Banjo-Kazooie it's likely to be one of those things where the crowd attacking his chances will melt away at his revealing should it come sooner or later, and people will celebrate him all around.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I find it funny how most of the fans who say Smash has too many Mario characters are salty Fire Emblem fans trying to be contrarian, because that argument only started popping up when Fire Emblem was being put under that same light.