Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Giga Kaiju]

I honestly don't expect a full-on direct until next February or the very beginning of March.

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[Fatmanonice]

LMAO! Look who just decided to make a video on those Paper Mario and 2D Metroid leaks.

The kings of being coy strike again.

Just goes to show we should keep a strong eye on GameXplain especially with how confident Jon was in the 5th character being a first party despite everyone doubting him.

Jon's going to be the death of me... "He can't keep getting away with this." Also, Star, yes, I totally forgive you for the other day. Even when you have your, uh, lows, I generally like what you contribute to this thread.

So, I was driving home from work, jamming out to CCR's Suzie Q when a realization slapped me in the face... Most of the characters on that list either have a history with Smash or crossovers in general, including ??? and the Microsoft character.

For example, let's look at the three Namco characters on that list:

-Ms. Pac-Man (Smash and crossovers)
-Kos-Mos (crossovers)
-Nightmare (crossovers)

Arle? Puyo Pop has crossed over with Kirby, Sonic, and most of the major SEGA franchises.

Elecman was a cut assist trophy.

The secret Square character has been in a lot of crossovers.

Travis crossed over with Capcom in the Switch version of Dragon's Dogma.

Even one of the Indies has been in crossovers.

Throw in other super prevalent characters in speculation over the past year. Steve. Crossovers. Ryu. Crossovers. Sol Badguy. Crossovers.

Think about the 6 characters I'm currently predicting. Chuck Mangione. Crossovers. Geno. Crossovers (SMRPG had Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Zelda, F-Zero, Metroid, and Star Fox before Smash Bros even existed). Lloyd. Crossovers. Dante. Crossovers. Crash. Crossovers. Master Chief. Crossovers. It's kind of the central thread that ties this stuff together. Except Blythe, all the Fighter's Pass characters were pretty crossover heavy too. It feels very deliberate for DLC and even Ryu, Cloud, and Bayo in Smash 4 were pretty crossover heavy too. Hell, every single third party character they've chosen has an extensive crossover history, even before they got into Smash. Every third party character has appeared in a game outside their own franchise multiple times before coming to Smash. Seriously... Go to the Crossover Wiki and check out each character.

I mean, wow... Smash is obviously a big ol' ****in' crossover but most of the choices made, including Mii costumes, seem to predominantly boil down to this to. Monster Hunter? Crossovers. Assassin's Creed? Crossovers. Rabbids? Crossovers. It's really cool when you think about it.

 

[ctt4lfecw]

So what are the chances that Geno is gonna be one of these six fighters?

 

[ChoccyStar]

So what are the chances that Geno is gonna be one of these six fighters?

More than 0% but less than 100%

 

[Lord Woomy]

You know what? I'm sick of speculation and leaks, so I've just decided to deny all reality and declare that the grinch leak was real and Geno is in the game. There, I win!

 

[P47]

Also, sorry if I misdirected anyone to believing that the account is Sakurai's real one, but in my defense I couldn't find the lewd Inkling stage, but it just so happens that it was cleverly covered behind a foreground wall in the stage preview, something I didn't think was possible (I don't use the shared content feature much at all)

What really was convincing me, again, is that music track, because I still can't seem to find out of that is possible to post or not, and if there are any repurcussions of posting something like that via modding.

EDIT: Also updated that post with a warning that the account could be fake.

There's an option in the Smash Video Editor to insert a snapshot. Don't know where the account took a picture of a blue music note but that looks like how it was done.

EDIT: Apparently the video editor complains if you try to save without inserting any videos. How did they get around that?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That is still one of the questions. It still feels like Byleth is a better base roster pick than perhaps Simon and Inlkings, the two series newcomers in the base game. After all Roy already exists to be a character released after his main title even if it wasn't originally planned. So unless Nintendo didn't really want to keep the hype for the last.

FE Three Houses released and was developed at a time that only really fit the FP. It was way too late for base game. Only the concept of the series was started in 2015, but it was till way later any real development, including characters, were worked on. So that wasn't an option. It was FP 1 or bust, really. That said, they probably would've been taken a lot better if they appeared base game, yeah.

Out of the five FP fighters, two are clearly gaming veterans, DQ heroes at least manages to defend by having multiple alts from past games. Joker, relunctatnly, as a human character he might be considered more identifiable and unique than all past Persona protagonists, and he is still the first Persona fighter. Byleth specifcally only relates to FE3H, which is why s/he is obvious for advertising.
Not saying that there cannot be new protagonists, but better be a new IP to show the diversity of historical depth. Splatoon represents an IP from WiiU, so maybe we need a 3DS or Switch one?

I don't think it's nearly this simple; they weren't representing a specific era of gaming so much as their own series. Hero is an excellent representation of Dragon Quest's magic gameplay. Sure, you could do the same thing with Slime, but that also meant figuring out unique moves with possibly tentacle limbs, and that might be harder to overall create, since Hero has borrowed some animations for a few moves. It's also worth noting that any content beyond DQ11 is significantly less. It's clear that's the core game being promoted. We don't know exactly why. Could be advertisement reasons(which can also mean SE wants that to have the most attention. Sakurai also tends to like content from the latest game as is).I do remember hearing a rumor that Sakurai wanted Hero, not Slime, specifically. That or it was an interview, which also included Hero being intended for base game. Don't quote me on that though. I can easily be remembering it wrong. Banjo & Kazooie are moreso major fan favorites, and some of Microsoft's mascots they are currently heavily promoting. Rare Replay is basically the biggest "thing" for them. More or less this is why I treat them as relevant today, though clearly on life support instead of a fully active series. Joker is also pretty much core representing Persona 5, but has bits and pieces among the rest. Terry is the opposite, who brings about a ton of SNK stuff, due to the crossover nature. Byleth isn't just for advertising, but had potential, as an Avatar, for a moveset nobody else could do but another FE avatar at best. The weapon triangle doesn't work with another series. Likewise, nor would the Whip Sword combined with the Weapon Triangle. It's a specific package that just worked out in timing.

I mean, we don't know if Nintendo wanted a 1st party pick as a core part of it, or if Sakurai had inspiration. We don't know if there's a list, and the more notable ones get tried out first, but may fail, which leads to others. Basically the selection process is hard to gauge. Yes, Sakurai only makes characters he's sure will work, but we don't know who were rejected(if any). Likewise, he has yet to talk to us about FP2. The only details we have is that they're similar to the previous FP, which means spirit board, music, stage, character. And obviously Mii costumes.

 

[Megadoomer]

So what are the chances that Geno is gonna be one of these six fighters?

That depends entirely on who you ask, since none of us have any idea of what's realistically likely or not. All we can really do is guess.

I think (or at least I'd like to think) that Geno's pretty likely; I feel like at least some of the six fighters will be either characters that were popular but they couldn't get permission to use in the original fighters pass for one reason or another (ex. Geno; I can't imagine that Square-Enix would agree to having him playable before their two flagship franchises make it in), or characters who gained a lot of popularity after the original fighters pass was decided on. (ex. Dante, seeing as the series' director said that Dante wouldn't be an option for Smash unless he got games on a Nintendo consoles, only for him to get games on Nintendo consoles 2-3 months later)

 

[Deleted member]

You know what? I'm sick of speculation and leaks, so I've just decided to deny all reality and declare that the grinch leak was real and Geno is in the game. There, I win!

The answer was so obvious this entire time.

 

[smileMasky]

I think it's way too early for another fighter to be announced wait till E3 or some where inbetween

 

[Grumbo]

I think the 2nd mysterious Microsoft Mii costume is either Steve or Master Chief.

He said it wasnt Steve or Chief, so im thinking someone like Conker or even Ori

Even one of the Indies has been in crossovers

Please be Dead Cells

 

[StarLight42]

There's an option in the Smash Video Editor to insert a snapshot. Don't know where the account took a picture of a blue music note but that looks like how it was done.

So it is, hmm. Might've Jumped the gun a little bit on that one. I don't use the shared content function much (and seems like not a lot of others do either)

Still, it's funny to imagine Sakurai being a TerminalMontage fan, lol (I guess there's still a small chance it could be real)

 

[Lord Woomy]

The answer was so obvious this entire time.

Now reality can be whatever I want.

 

[Deleted member]

Now reality can be whatever I want.

It’s often disappointing.

 

[MrJudd]

I think it's way too early for another fighter to be announced wait till E3 or some where inbetween

Where was that tweet about Sakurai asking us to be patient for DLC 6's reveal? Too lazy to immediately find it; if the direct is this week, I seriously doubt we'd see it (DLC 6), which means they would push for a double reveal at E3 and an almost-immediate release of DLC 6 right after, with 7 releasing in August. Seems like a bit of a gap between Byleth (Jan 28) and DLC 6 (mid-June), and then having both DLC 7 and 8 both released within 6 months after. I just don't see it happening.

I also find too early for 6’s reveal. At the same time, if the Direct is this close and they don’t put a warning about no Smash, people will come expecting Smash stuff (me included: we always had reveals in Directs for Smash DLC, except the Direct at E3 2015, which they separated Smash into it’s own Direct). I don’t think we will get reveals in the same way as Byleth anymore, so Directs are the spot now.

 

[DanganZilla5]

Why are people assuming we won't even get a character announcement until E3? What about a character release in April? We have precedence for that.

Mewtwo: First DLC character for Smash 4. Released in April.

Joker: First fighter in the first fighters pass. Released in April.

I'm pretty sure Fatman brought this up before as it's a consistent pattern. Especially since Fighter 6 has probably had quite some work put into them already as we've speculated before. Plus E3 is 5 months away! Would Nintendo really go that long without trying to entice people to buy the second fighters pass? Though to be fair this is Nintendo we are talking about.

 

[Lord Woomy]

It’s often disappointing.
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It's fitting that I've had this picture of my squid from Splatoon for a while now lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If not playable, a Fulgore Mii costume would be great. >.>

If a Brawler costume, then when you use Counter Throw and hits, the sound effect for Combo Breaker should play. Perfect bonus, really.

 

[Deleted member]

E3 is nearly half a year away. I'm confident we will hear something about #6 before hand and maybe a double reveal for 7 and 8 at E3 like they did last year.

 

[Fatmanonice]

So what are the chances that Geno is gonna be one of these six fighters?

I'm now kicking myself because it would have been a great topic for the Geno essay.

-Super Mario RPG was basically the first major Nintendo crossover console game with a major third party.

-It was the first major Mario crossover game.

-It crossed over with Donkey Kong, Zelda, Yoshi, Metroid, F-Zero, and Star Fox before Smash Bros existed.

In a way, SMRPG was kind of the beginning of it all when it came to Nintendo and major crossovers.

 

[Deleted member]

-It crossed over with Donkey Kong, Zelda, Yoshi, Metroid, F-Zero, and Star Fox before Smash Bros existed.

And Final Fantasy with the Culex boss battle. The references to the crystals during the battle, the use of the FFIV boss battle music, and the FF victory fanfare post-battle.

 

[Deleted member]

If not playable, a Fulgore Mii costume would be great. >.>

If a Brawler costume, then when you use Counter Throw and hits, the sound effect for Combo Breaker should play. Perfect bonus, really.

Fulgore would be awesome. If it’s not Fulgore, then maybe Jago or Sabrewulf.

 

[T2by4]

Do you think Geno watches his pals race on rainbow road while he's busy at star road?

https://youtu.be/SrAo6BGwf00

 

[CannonStreak]

Fulgore would be awesome. If it’s not Fulgore, then maybe Jago or Sabrewulf.

Oh, yeah, Fulgore or any Killer Instinct character would make my day! To be honest, since the N64 days, I have always wanted to see a Killer Instinct character playable in a Smash Bros. game.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, yeah, Fulgore or any Killer Instinct character would make my day! To be honest, since the N64 days, I have always wanted to see a Killer Instinct character playable in a Smash Bros. game.

So many Rare characters, only one spot. You have Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, Blast Corps, Viva Piñata and obviously Conker, Battletoads and Killer Instinct.

 

[CannonStreak]

So many Rare characters, only one spot. You have Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, Blast Corps, Viva Piñata and obviously Conker, Battletoads and Killer Instinct.

About Viva, I think Nintendo may want Rare characters who previously showed up on an Nintendo console. Either way, I bet Joanna Dark might be the closest we may get to seeing James Bond in a Smash Bros. game. Seriously, James Bond was once considered for at least Melee.

 

[link2702]

I doubt sakurai would have a lewd inkling stage saved to his personal stagelist on his switch, knowing full well it could be found and then he’d be in deep ****.

So i call bull on that

 

[Deleted member]

About Viva, I think Nintendo may want Rare characters who previously showed up on an Nintendo console. Either way, I bet Joanna Dark might be the closest we may get to seeing James Bond in a Smash Bros. game. Seriously, James Bond was once considered for at least Melee.

I can’t remember but there might’ve been a Viva Piñata on the DS.

 

[CannonStreak]

I can’t remember but there might’ve been a Viva Piñata on the DS.

Yeah, if there was, I had a feeling I might have missed that.

EDIT: And there was, I just checked.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, if there was, I had a feeling I might have missed that.

Yup, looks like it. But, I personally wasn’t a big fan of Viva Piñata so I would prefer someone like Joanna or Fulgore.

 

[CannonStreak]

Yup, looks like it. But, I personally wasn’t a big fan of Viva Piñata so I would prefer someone like Joanna or Fulgore.
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So would I, actually. I would prefer Joanna or Fulgore as well. What about Conker, though?

 

[Deleted member]

So would I, actually. I would prefer Joanna or Fulgore as well. What about Conker, though?

Most definitely. Would be cool if he came with a music track like this one remix someone did for Windy.

 

[CannonStreak]

Most definitely. Would be cool if he came with a music track like this one remix someone did for Windy.

That would be cool! Too bad we can't get the Great Mighty Poo song since it has cursing, for I liked that song.

 

[Dorayaki]

Byleth isn't just for advertising, but had potential, as an Avatar, for a moveset nobody else could do but another FE avatar at best. The weapon triangle doesn't work with another series. Likewise, nor would the Whip Sword combined with the Weapon Triangle. It's a specific package that just worked out in timing..

Aside from franchise overpresentation, the other main problem with FE is that it seems less technically difficult to introduce fighters from fighting games (although same critique can go to the less presented series Zelda and Xenoblade). Most FE characters can do well in Smash bros, just that look like what already usually happens in a normal FE scenario despite of different gameplay.
And like I mentioned in the comment, what matters is whether Byleth could be introduced in better timing (Smash 5 or 6 base game) than now, not that s/he isn't a good fighter pick.

I cannot say Geno fits in the current timing more than Byleth, but it's definitely a warning to people who want old gaming characters who don't have new Switch game appearances while Nintendo wants advertising more. If Nintendo now do a Mario DLC but follow the same route, Hellen is now ironically very possible.

 

[Malo Mart]

Yo, I'm back! I just felt the need to take a break after the incoming Byleth ****storm. Tell the truth, I actually hate talking about Fire Emblem reps in Smash, not because I dislike them or their series or anything (if anything, I'm mostly neutral about them), but because discussions of this topic tend to bring out the worst in the Smash fanbase from my experience. Of course, most people here are pretty chill, but I didn't wanna take the risk, y'know?

Whatever though, I'll just let Byleth come and go. Not exactly excited about them, but I'm sure they'll be neat and I'll give'em a chance and yadda yadda. I'm way more interested in Fighter Pass 2 right now. I even made a mock up of what it could be for funsies, trying to mix my personal biases with picks that can appeal to a broad audience. Gonna be debatable how realistic it is, but I'd be pretty happy with it anyway. Any thoughts?

yes i just had to sneak waluigi in there lmao

Most definitely. Would be cool if he came with a music track like this one remix someone did for Windy.

I never even play Conker's Bad Fur Day, but I need this so much AAAAAAAHHHH

 

[CannonStreak]

Yo, I'm back! I just felt the need to take a break after the incoming Byleth ****storm. Tell the truth, I actually hate talking about Fire Emblem reps in Smash, not because I dislike them or their series or anything (if anything, I'm mostly neutral about them), but because discussions of this topic tend to bring out the worst in the Smash fanbase from my experience. Of course, most people here are pretty chill, but I didn't wanna take the risk, y'know?

Whatever though, I'll just let Byleth come and go. Not exactly excited about them, but I'm sure they'll be neat and I'll give'em a chance and yadda yadda. I'm way more interested in Fighter Pass 2 right now. I even made a mock up of what it could be for funsies, trying to mix my personal biases with picks that can appeal to a broad audience. Gonna be debatable how realistic it is, but I'd be pretty happy with it anyway. Any thoughts?

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yes i just had to sneak waluigi in there lmao

You might want to switch Crash with Geno. I hear a leaker has said Crash will come right after the Season 1 Fighters' Pass.

 

[Malo Mart]

You might want to switch Crash with Geno. I hear a leaker has said Crash will come right after the Season 1 Fighters' Pass.

Hmm interesting. Who is it?

 

[CannonStreak]

Hmm interesting. Who is it?

MandyCan.

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This is it.

 

[Polarthief]

Why are people assuming we won't even get a character announcement until E3? What about a character release in April? We have precedence for that.

If a Direct is this/next week, we very likely won't. 2 weeks between DLC 5 reveal and 6 reveal seems so unlikely to me, which is why I'm guesstimating that the direct will be in Feb. Gives us a few weeks post-Byleth release, ~a month after his reveal, to reveal DLC 6, giving us about 2~3 months (April/May) for DLC 6's release. Then 7 revealed at E3 and 8 at late Q3/early Q4 direct. Pattern will recycle for 2021 as well.

I just do not see a January direct anymore based on the time. It's too soon to already get a new reveal, especially when BYLETH HASN'T EVEN RELEASED YET FROM THE FIRST FP.

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Challenger Pack = the name of the DLC packs. Fighter's Pass = the season pass.
Are they saying Crash is going to be DLC 7 (Challenger Pack 2 of FP 2) or accidentally messed up and meant to say "First Fighter's Pass" instead?
Also sorry if this is ignorant, but who the heck is that person?

PS: Except for just before a reveal, the order of characters has been thrown out the wazoo, so even if Crash is in, I'd take the tweet with a lot of salt.

 

[Malo Mart]

MandyCan.

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This is it.

Not sure how credible they are but I guess I'll keep that in mind