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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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AdamBel731

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Fatmanonice said:
Proofreading is now done and, not surprisingly, I added almost added 200 more words in the proces. Now I'm just kind of glassy eyed but I'll address something a TON of people have asked me since I came out with the name Dragonborn.

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Could Dragonborn be leakbait for Doom Guy? Yes. Do I think that's the case? No. Why? Reasons... (Imagine if I stopped there.)

1. Lots of people have been warning people about this for months.

Smash tends to "end" on "low notes." Yes, tons of people have chewed me out for calling Dragon Born a low note but, in the Smash bubble, people aren't exactly happy with the prospect (and my inbox on multiple sites is definitely proof of that). It's kind of like a Wolf/Krystal situation in Brawl but one obviously has a much more vocal fanbase. Skyrim is an absolutely beloved again and would be perfectly fine as an addition to Smash. I've gone into details why I think it's a logical choice based on theory crafting. Smash has never ended on a super popular character and, in my own speculation, I don't think Nintendo would have "warned us" back in September if they thought 5 was going to go over super well with everyone. This is another reason why I entertained Lloyd and Nightmare, because plenty of people complained about those characters too for their own set of reasons. As someone who has been here for Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate speculation, I can look at you all as a grizzled old man and could say that 5 would probably be a "low note" even if I was theorycrafting or privy to insider stuff.

2. The situation isn't comparable to Steve and Banjo.

The reasons so many people believed in Steve over Banjo because people claimed that there was fake photos and even videos going around of him in Smash. In other words, Microsoft was full ass invested in a misinformation campaign on the character. Yes, those are tall claims but it honestly makes sense given how multiple insiders lived and died on that hill. There's nothing currently out there to suggest that for Dragonborn. No insiders aside from some contacts of my friends have outright said "holy ****, guys; here comes Dragonborn." People have taken to speculation and theorycrafting. Some insiders have left very cryptic hints to other insiders. That being said, there isn't the full on confidence that many insiders had for Steve. The people who are the most confident in this have kind of yeeted themselves out of existence or avoid the topic entirely. This is also why I've been getting a lot of **** because I'm confident based on my own theorycrafting and going against insiders and contacts is (checks notes) supposedly death threat worthy according to the Smash fanbase but whatever... I literally have no attachment to the character so the number of people who are absolutely furious at me for making this prediction is miserably ironic. Fun fact; I've never played Skyrim.

3. People have been saying "No Doom Guy" for months now.

I keep warning people that taking messages at face value is probably a good idea. Grant Kirkhope is a composer. He has no ownership of the Banjo IP outside of the original music. He's no longer an employee of RARE either and hasn't been for a longtime either. I believe he's a free lance video game composer now. He can lie in whatever capacity he wants and nobody can fault him for it. In the cases of Travis, Sora, and Doom Guy, there's significantly less incentive for full-on executives to lie about this stuff. These are respected men in the industry and their words are worth a lot. They have authority and control over million dollar IPs. To be totally blunt, for them to outright lie would be really ****ing bad, especially for the two in Japanese business culture. Professionalism is taken with a degree of grave seriousness. People laugh and point out that "ha ha, Kamiya is such a scoundrel", yeah, but he's definitely an outlier and a lot of his colleagues full on resent him because of his lack of professionalism. Your typical executive is not going to tell fans to eat **** on Twitter. These guys are suit and tie for most of these things.

"Well, why would they tell the truth to random interviewers?" Because there's definitely a value in that and not thinking you can just freely lie to people because they're "not as important as you." This is why I have confidants as young as 14 and as old as late 40's because I hate the idea of assuming that people aren't trustworthy based on age alone. Plus, all in all, there's plenty of ways to avoid situations like this. As someone who has been interviewed for a wide variety of reasons over the reasons, you can specifically ask for questions to not be recorded. Sometimes people "oops" during interviews or just super uncomfortable with certain things being said being blasted. This being said, these men had absolutely no objections to saying "we have no plans for these characters in Smash at this time" being part of the public record even though they had the right and power to just flat out say "hey man, don't include that part in your write up or I will legally squash you because I did not consent to it." Brass tacks, interviews are all about consent and, yes, people can be sued if they don't respect interviewees requests.

So, there's all that...
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Thank you for the response, my fat friend. Hmm... yeah, I suppose you make good points. Smash does have a tendency to end on low notes. I'd prefer Doom Slayer, but as I've said for a while, I'm content with the roster and fine with Skyrim.

As an aside, did you say when you'd post your Geno essay? Also, are you actually gonna post a Google Doc link, or did you decide against that?
 
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Could be nothing, but the kings of being coy AKA GameXplain seems to be planning Direct predictions. Reminder that they also did direct predictions before that direct that Nintendo shadowdropped like two years ago
 
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Could be nothing, but the kings of being coy AKA GameXplain seems to be planning Direct predictions. Reminder that they also did direct predictions before that direct that Nintendo shadowdropped like two years ago
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I mean the person he was responding to mentioned that a direct seemed close so his comment was just in response to that. He's not even saying that they are planning one at the moment just that they hope they'll be able to do one soon.
 
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Fatmanonice Fatmanonice i finished reading the Geno essay or Geno Bible as i like to call it and i must say that i'm speechless. i find the last segment of it to be very wholesome and emotional when you talk about how Geno teached you courage when you were just a little kid and it made me tear up a bit. you sir did a great job on this and the wait was totally worth it.
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EricTheGamerman said:
I mean, I've seen people get banned for being dismissive of more traditionally problematic behaviors and elements, but I've not seen any of the outright critical elements banned.
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Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That's like saying World War 2 never happened because you live in Canada and didn't read the news.
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Mods are people too who make mistakes, and we've seen that on literally every forum ever. I'm not defending ****ty behavior, but that's not like the norm over there any more than mods who have overextended on places like SmashBoards and it feels like you're pretty actively trying to frame ResetERA in a holistically negative way over a couple of temp bans.
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I don't need to try to make ResetEra look bad, it does a fine enough job of that on it's own. There's plenty of reasons to not like ResetEra, the most significant of which being their incredibly partisan views. Political topics shouldn't be discussed on forums such as this regardless of which side you're on, as they're inherently prone to causing heated disagreements amongst users, but more importantly are completely unrelated to the topics at hand. Most video game forums, such as Smashboards and even GameFAQs for example, do a good job of discouraging such discussion and keeping things on-topic, but ResetEra is different.

ResetEra as a website goes out of it's way to encourage political discussion, specifically political discussion of a politically left-leaning nature. On their "General Guide to ResetEra" they claim to be accepting of people who disagree with any number of things, however in practice it's not uncommon to hear of people getting banned for not only having political viewpoints that run counter to the generally left-leaning viewpoints, but even just having polite disagreements about such matters. It also doesn't help that what they consider hate speech or inflamitory is, according to the "General Guide to ResetEra" thread, are incredibly vague and ill-defined.

As a result, the website has gained a reputation as being incredibly overly sensitive and ban happy. This kind of reputation is exclusive to ResetEra and ResetEra alone. Say what you want about Smashboards or even GameFAQs Forums, but it's never been the popular observation that they are full of ban happy mods who operate on partisan lines. You don't see image like this being made about Smashboards:
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Wait...is this Megamind?

Forgive me, I've actually never seen Megamind so...who am I supposed to be here?
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Imagine being a person who hasn't seen Megamind. Imagine being a person who doesn't know who best boy Minion is.
Fatmanonice said:
The Essay:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S2J9qPVD5uMOrhfy29rz9_ot5MvAfNH2dhuAWRUhrhQ/edit?usp=sharing

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IT'S TIME!!
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Found this on GilvaSunner's upload of Geno Awakens, and frankly, I think shinysableye's got the right idea.

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MisterMike said:
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That's like saying World War 2 never happened because you live in Canada and didn't read the news.

I don't need to try to make ResetEra look bad, it does a fine enough job of that on it's own. There's plenty of reasons to not like ResetEra, the most significant of which being their incredibly partisan views. Political topics shouldn't be discussed on forums such as this regardless of which side you're on, as they're inherently prone to causing heated disagreements amongst users, but more importantly are completely unrelated to the topics at hand. Most video game forums, such as Smashboards and even GameFAQs for example, do a good job of discouraging such discussion and keeping things on-topic, but ResetEra is different.

ResetEra as a website goes out of it's way to encourage political discussion, specifically political discussion of a politically left-leaning nature. On their "General Guide to ResetEra" they claim to be accepting of people who disagree with any number of things, however in practice it's not uncommon to hear of people getting banned for not only having political viewpoints that run counter to the generally left-leaning viewpoints, but even just having polite disagreements about such matters. It also doesn't help that what they consider hate speech or inflamitory is, according to the "General Guide to ResetEra" thread, are incredibly vague and ill-defined.

As a result, the website has gained a reputation as being incredibly overly sensitive and ban happy. This kind of reputation is exclusive to ResetEra and ResetEra alone. Say what you want about Smashboards or even GameFAQs Forums, but it's never been the popular observation that they are full of ban happy mods who operate on partisan lines. You don't see image like this being made about Smashboards:
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Look, I'll just say this. Posting an image in which people were banned for (with absolutely no context provided to any of those specific bans mind you): Transphobic comments, victim blaming, anti LGBTQ+ sentiments, and a history of trolling with sensitive topics is not exactly making the point you think it is. The vast majority of that stuff will also get you banned here.

But we'll drop it because it is off topic, has gotten this thread into trouble in the past. So we'll leave it at the disagreement and move on while people enjoy Fatman's essay.
 
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EricTheGamerman said:
Look, I'll just say this. Posting an image in which people were banned for (with absolutely no context provided to any of those specific bans mind you): Transphobic comments, victim blaming, anti LGBTQ+ sentiments, and a history of trolling with sensitive topics is not exactly making the point you think it is. The vast majority of that stuff will also get you banned here.

But we'll drop it because it is off topic, has gotten this thread into trouble in the past. So we'll leave it at the disagreement and move on while people enjoy Fatman's essay.
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This. Regardless, I think it's safe to say a very good portion of the smash fandom on the internet WANTS Geno at this point.
 
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Really glad to see the geno bible in all its glory. It may have all been stuff we already knew but now we have a singular location for every notable geno related item from the past few years and was very pleasant to read through again. Good job fatman I'm glad you managed to eek it out just in time for us to see the fate of the upcoming smash rumors one and for all.
 
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Alright, I finished reading your post Fatmanonice Fatmanonice , and I gotta say it was totally worth the wait. A lot of ground covered, a lot of reasonable inferences. I think my only two issues are:
1 - You didn't go too in-depth on recapping ForsakenM ForsakenM 's post, or at least add a link it to it. While you're not wrong to make reference to it, an outsider (ie. someone who isn't a Geno Thread regular) would likely not have any frame of reference for that, and I think it's a little unfair for them to have to do that legwork to look for that post you're referencing wehen you've done so with damn near everything else.
and 2 - A bit of weird phrasing: "One commonly brought up issue is that the game is very particular and can very easily crash when new totally elements are added through modding."
Other than that, again, really good post. As a Longman, I'm very satisfied by your length.

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Crossposting this from PG's Discord. All signs point to yes on a Direct being this week

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My hopes is that Nintendo was fully aware of the cacomallow leak, but didn't want to cause a scene since they know it would bring more questions if they took action. Since that was the only thing that leaked they probably just found out who did it and took action, but did nothing with the videos. So, with that in mind, if fp 5 is indeed Dragonborn and it comes with cacodemon costume, the best thing to do would be to release Geno in the same direct. Otherwise, everyone is gonna be aware that Geno is coming since the cacodemon was with the mallow costume in that vid. That's my hope, at least.
 
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My hopes is that Nintendo was fully aware of the cacomallow leak, but didn't want to cause a scene since they know it would bring more questions if they took action. Since that was the only thing that leaked they probably just found out who did it and took action, but did nothing with the videos. So, with that in mind, if fp 5 is indeed Dragonborn and it comes with cacodemon costume, the best thing to do would be to release Geno in the same direct. Otherwise, everyone is gonna be aware that Geno is coming since the cacodemon was with the mallow costume in that vid. That's my hope, at least.
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I imagine that, if the leak is actually a leak, Nintendo’s keeping quiet about it completely until they’re both released, then doing a full investigation—waiting to not draw any suspicions whatsoever—then firing the individual responsible.

Taking it down as soon as the leaks emerged would just tell everyone that they were legit.
 
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Fatmanonice said:
The Essay:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S2J9qPVD5uMOrhfy29rz9_ot5MvAfNH2dhuAWRUhrhQ/edit?usp=sharing

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Hey man, seriously nice job on this. I know most people outside the thread will probably dismiss it without reading it because "lol fatman", but at least in this loser's opinion, this piece was really well written and a joy to read.
...though it is worth correcting that Sukapon wasn't actually planned to be playable in Melee, but was instead planned as an item that let players "ride" Sukapon. But y'know, good work.
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ngl i thought you said Johnny Bravo
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Woah, hey pretty momma...
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Some things I’m kinda hoping for although it’d never happen...
The ability to voice chat without the stupid phone app. The app was a disaster, kill it already and just let us use the systems built in mic.
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I don't think the Switch actually has a built-in mic, that being why they had to sideline voice chat to a phone app in the first place. It sucks, but hey, most people use Discord or other third-party external software for that anyway.
 
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Good read Fatman! That essay and all it says is pretty much my reasoning for why Geno is the only character who I'm hard banking on and why the Geno support thread is the only one I go in and support despite me not being a personal Geno fan. Like there are other characters who I think are likely like Crash and Ryu Hayabusa, but I wouldn't put money on them because Sakurai is so unpredictable at times. Again, I'm not a Geno fan really, and I'd actually put money on him making it into Smash.
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(^The Geno thread right now^)

Things really do seem to be coming together!


I honestly do feel Geno in my bones. While I wish I could say the same for my personal desires like Bandana Dee or another Sonic character, you guys have waited years for Geno to properly return, so you guys should get your dues. As always, this young millennial is with you all until the end of the line!
 
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just because Nintendo doesnt tske down a "leak" doesnt mean thr leak is real. It could be fake and nintendo just doesnt give a care. And I say the with respect, hopefully its real for yalls sanity because you guys are putting a lot of chips on the thing
 
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I can't say I didn't expect it to be big but when I'm still groggy and brain dead, it be like that.
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Actually pretty good meme right here.
Fatmanonice Fatmanonice , perhaps you don't know, but you're a Hero for me now. You made me create an account to participate within this forum, your essay is the very culmination of why I love you ;3 <3
I hope we could see Geno very soon..
 
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