Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Ender1645]

> controversial pick that deconfirms a highly requested character

Lol what if the Cacomallow leak is true but instead of either Doomguy or dovahkin it’s Commander keen

 

[pinshadow]

Can someone photoshop Todd Howard with a Geno hat? I feel like we could use that right about now.

 

[zferolie]

Like I've said in the past, the main thing of evidence of Cacomallow being fake is that, according to the "old" NoA source, Nintendo's legal team didn't freak out about it like they supposedly did the Ken leak. Both the old NoA source and the main guy pushing this rumor have very good track records but have two completely different takes on the topic.

Thats why i was thinking that leak was fake too. Didnt see any signs of nintendo freaking over it

 

[MattX20]

So, should Geno's alts be based on the official guidebook capes like the Happy Cape and the Star Cape?

 

[SSGuy]

Ah Genobros, it's good to be back!

Let us resume our choirs and rooting for Geno. Despite recent events that have transpired, his chances are still looking top-notch. Also, what would you all say if a Super Mario RPG remake was announced, it's visual style turned out to be similar to either:

a. Octopath Traveler's HD-2D
b. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (HD remake)
c. Bravely Default/Second

Feel free to share other possible visual styles you'd prefer to see.

Most definitely Link's Awakening. The neat thing that separated Super Mario RPG from other JRPGs at the time was the overworld. Being able to jump around levels as Mario was really fun and stayed true to the Mario spirit. If we are ever blessed with a remaster of Super Mario RPG, I want to have a condensed overworld that looks and feels like playing Super Mario 3D World.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Thats why i was thinking that leak was fake too. Didnt see any signs of nintendo freaking over it

We didn't know about them freaking out over the Ken leak until after the fact either, though. (At least not to my knowledge.)

 

[EarlTamm]

So, should Geno's alts be based on the official guidebook capes like the Happy Cape and the Star Cape?

Could go either way with that or star themed alts. I did bring up the idea of Mario RPG character themed alt list, but I think that is unlikely.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Now we just wait for LaxChris to make a video on this TOTALLY LEGIT LEAK FOR FIGHTER 5 FROM THE INSIDER FATMAN.

Speak of the devil, I guess you are officially a "leaker" now. LaxChris says that he only has screenshots because the source was deleted, but I mean... has he even tried to find it? You can really tell how much the guy cares about looking into the things he talks about in his videos. The messages haven't left Smashboards.

I wish I saw this earlier, because this is a thing that actually happened. Basically, Fatmanonice confirmed Steve or Waluigi somehow, because LaxChris absolutely pounced on the ability to talk about those characters for the 100th time.

On an on-topic note, has Nintendo ever tried to line up a character release with a specific number? Making Geno be the 77th seems to be more of a coincidence rather than a planned event, you know?

 

[SSGuy]

We didn't know about them freaking out over the Ken leak until after the fact either, though. (At least not to my knowledge.)

I didn't really pay much attention to the Ken leak either. I just remember a lot of talk with the Grinch leak.

Does anyone have any source regarding the Ken leak causing chaos within Nintendo?

 

[EarlTamm]

On an on-topic note, has Nintendo ever tried to line up a character release with a specific number? Making Geno be the 77th seems to be more of a coincidence rather than a planned event, you know?

I am going to guess it is more of a coincidence than anything. Nintendo hasn't had a history of doing that.

 

[Malo Mart]

Can someone photoshop Todd Howard with a Geno hat? I feel like we could use that right about now.

Gotcha fam.

 

[Axelocke]

Okay so what with the thread being locked a couple times in a couple days I think I'll take a little break, I'll lurk until some big news on Geno. I can't take not knowing who FP5 is anymore, Nintendo!!

See ya'll later, and rock on.

 

[AdamBel731]

Which would make things with Cacomallow rather awkward in a number of ways.

Yes, it would. But technically he'd line up if it were real. Geno with Mallow hat, and Dovahkin with the Cacodemon costume.

I personally wouldn't mind Dovahkin (as I know Skyrim is massive), but I'd be pretty ambivalent towards him and would rather see Doom Slayer.

 

[volbound1700]

1. The sources gave me permission to talk about hints to a certain extent on here and Discord.

2. The Paragon Leak basically was someone speculating based on insider info, got turned into Nintendo for "leaking" because someone gave away their personal info, and Paragon received a C&D because some of the speculation/rumors wound up being true. I want to avoid a repeat of that situation and not name specific names.

Understood. Thanks for the response

 

[EarlTamm]

Yes, it would. But technically he'd line up if it were real. Geno with Mallow hat, and Dovahkin with the Cacodemon costume.

I personally wouldn't mind Dovahkin (as I know Skyrim is massive), but I'd be pretty ambivalent towards him and would rather see Doom Slayer.

Yeah, but as Doom Slayer fan it would kinda suck.

Can you imagine how many sad memes would happen if Dovahkin was the actual character behind the leak besides Geno?

 

[Sphenodon]

Perhaps it's simply biased hope, but the idea of this being so controversial makes me suspicious that it is not a Bethesda rep as mentioned - or if so, not the Dragonborn (perhaps Vault Boy? Might be seen as a "troll" character and completely out of nowhere). Perhaps someone from Naughty Dog who isn't Crash? Then again the frontrunners there are Nathan Drake or Last of Us, in and of themselves not really the sort of characters one would expect at all.

Nonetheless, let us remain on topic.

So, assuming Geno is released in the same vein as Fighter Pass (1) characters - i.e. with a stage, tracks, and costumes - are there any non-SMRPG costumes one would expect to see alongside his release? Outside the potential of Sora (mostly from the angle of how much outrage that would cause) and the still-missing Chocobo, I haven't really heard that many other Square-Enix names.

 

[StarLight42]

Gotcha fam.

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i love it.

Todd Genoward

 

[EarlTamm]

Perhaps it's simply biased hope, but the idea of this being so controversial makes me suspicious that it is not a Bethesda rep as mentioned - or if so, not the Dragonborn (perhaps Vault Boy? Might be seen as a "troll" character and completely out of nowhere). Perhaps someone from Naughty Dog who isn't Crash? Then again the frontrunners there are Nathan Drake or Last of Us, in and of themselves not really the sort of characters one would expect at all.

Nonetheless, let us remain on topic.

So, assuming Geno is released in the same vein as Fighter Pass (1) characters - i.e. with a stage, tracks, and costumes - are there any non-SMRPG costumes one would expect to see alongside his release? Outside the potential of Sora (mostly from the angle of how much outrage that would cause) and the still-missing Chocobo, I haven't really heard that many other Square-Enix names.

I mean, the problem with that is that Naughty Dog doesn't Crash anymore, so that wouldn't be the case.

Maybe they would put in a Bravely Default costume, considering the recent announcement.

 

[pinshadow]

Gotcha fam.

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See that Star Hill? You can climb it.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Although it was interesting to have discussion with people I don't normally speak with due to spending most of my time in this thread I'm happy that it's back open and we can speculate about Geno again. The rules seems fair to me but I guess some people are going to miss the pages and pages of off-topic stuff about characters other than Geno. The thing is though I feel like with the post pass nearing and some rumors about 6 and 7 in particular there's plenty to discuss about Geno. Like really you can compare your desire for a character that isn't Geno to how much you want Geno or measuring how likely they may be when compared to one another and that's still on-topic. With Geno being a big contender I feel like it'd be pretty easy to discuss a lot of characters with respect to Geno in the near future. Just some food for thought.

Also, imo the VGAs sucked. Like, BD2 shows a willingness between Ninteno/SE to collaborate which I guess shows a possibility for more collaborations in the future (if it's successful). Honestly @ing them on social media about SMRPG2/ a remake when their official accounts post about BD2 might not be a terrible idea as long as it's done respectfully. But other than that the only things I was actually hype about were Wolf Among Us 2 and NMH3 which wasn't even a reveal. Kind of ****ty on Geoff's part to reference Joker and tease about other big announcements on that level. Like I get he wanted people to watch but it was most definetely b8ing Smash fans to stick around the entire show.

Yeah I think this is the way to look at it (the new rules and relating stuff to Geno I mean).

I'm not really surprised we didn't get any announcement at VGAs knowing Nintendo. I agree with consensus tho that Geno is super likely for post pass and not likely for FP5.

In an effort to stimulate some on topic conversation: awhile back I was posing questions about parts of Geno's potential Moveset like asking people to come up with taunts or special attacks and whatnot and said it would be kind of cool to somehow develop a sort of community Moveset. What would you guys think of doing something like a tournament style vote for different parts of Geno's Moveset? Like each week we could take submissions of ideas for a specific part of his Moveset like up Smash and then we could compile those submissions and have people vote for their favorites until only one remained then do it again the next week for a different thing and just take it piece by piece like that?

 

[AdamBel731]

Yeah, but as Doom Slayer fan it would kinda suck.

Can you imagine how many sad memes would happen if Dovahkin was the actual character behind the leak besides Geno?

Yeah I completely agree.

Yeah yeah, blah blah Doom Slayer violent blah blah blah, but honestly, DOOM has such an impact on gaming that has endured throughout the ages that I'd rather have that represented over Skyrim.

Plus, I feel like Doom Slayer over Dovahkin is like Dante over a Resident Evil rep kinda. All 4 of the franchises I've listed are huge, but I feel only two of those characters are good fits. Now, I think all of the characters I listed could feasibly get in Smash, but I think Dante and Doom Slayer fit better because they're more outlandish and "psuedo-cartoony" if that makes sense (yes, I know that's ironic for these two characters to call them cartoony). But you know what I mean? It is the same way Bayonetta is cartoony, whereas Snake really isn't. Doom Slayer and Dante are just so flashy and over the top that they just assimilate better I feel.

I really do want Doom Slayer though. It would be such a WTF reveal.

 

[Megadoomer]

Okay so what with the thread being locked a couple times in a couple days I think I'll take a little break, I'll lurk until some big news on Geno. I can't take not knowing who FP5 is anymore, Nintendo!!

See ya'll later, and rock on.

Maybe the real fifth Fighters Pass character was the friends we made along the way.

I wonder what sort of spirits we'd get alongside Geno. Smithy seems like an obvious one (I'm guessing either the Game Boy coloured Dedede or a metal Dedede), and maybe some other bosses like Yaridovich (Corrin?), Valentina (Palutena), Booster (Wario), or Bowyer (Pit? Link?).

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Dragonborn is all I could think of that would be controversial for killing Doomslayer, but it still saves Geno

I can see Tracer's inclusion killing Crash or Spyro, but that doesn't fit CacoMallow so it wouldn't effect Geno

 

[EarlTamm]

Maybe the real fifth Fighters Pass character was the friends we made along the way.

I wonder what sort of spirits we'd get alongside Geno. Smithy seems like an obvious one (I'm guessing either the Game Boy coloured Dedede or a metal Dedede), and maybe some other bosses like Yaridovich (Corrin?), Valentina (Palutena), Booster (Wario), or Bowyer (Pit? Link?).

The Axem Ranger could make for a good battle against a team of computers, as that seems to be a common trend among spirit battles.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Geno being 77 is merely my assumption because if Geno isn't 5 or 6 and Cacomallow really was real, why would the Cacodemon and Mallow costumes be shown together? There's other reasons too that I think are weird:

With GameXplain correctly "guessing" that there would be no VGA reveal a week out, this video is a lot more interesting. For example, Geno, Lloyd, and Waluigi not being mentioned in this video despite extensive segments on assist trophies, spirits, and Mii costumes is really unusual and things like Jon's extremely strong confidence in a spirit promotion are especially eyebrow raising.

 

[Franco Geno]

Geno being 77 is merely my assumption because if Geno isn't 5 or 6 and Cacomallow really was real, why would the Cacodemon and Mallow costumes be shown together? There's other reasons too that I think are weird:

With GameXplain correctly "guessing" that there would be no VGA reveal a week out, this video is a lot more interesting. For example, Geno, Lloyd, and Waluigi not being mentioned in this video despite extensive segments on assist trophies, spirits, and Mii costumes is really unusual and things like Jon's extremely strong confidence in a spirit promotion are especially eyebrow raising.

With Geno being a star warrior possesing a puppet it would make sense for him to be the only or one of the few spirit promotions to happen

 

[Malo Mart]

Yeah I completely agree.

Yeah yeah, blah blah Doom Slayer violent blah blah blah, but honestly, DOOM has such an impact on gaming that has endured throughout the ages that I'd rather have that represented over Skyrim.

Plus, I feel like Doom Slayer over Dovahkin is like Dante over a Resident Evil rep kinda. All 4 of the franchises I've listed are huge, but I feel only two of those characters are good fits. Now, I think all of the characters I listed could feasibly get in Smash, but I think Dante and Doom Slayer fit better because they're more outlandish and "psuedo-cartoony" if that makes sense (yes, I know that's ironic for these two characters to call them cartoony). But you know what I mean? It is the same way Bayonetta is cartoony, whereas Snake really isn't. Doom Slayer and Dante are just so flashy and over the top that they just assimilate better I feel.

I really do want Doom Slayer though. It would be such a WTF reveal.

Oh yes, you put it into words better than I could. I completely agree. In comparison to Dovahkin, Doomguy is very over the top in an almost cartoony fashion. I think part of that is because Doom as a game is pretty outlandish and detached from reality in a way, and Skyrim, while having many fantasy elements, is still relatively grounded in reality, know what I mean? I find it kinda hard to explain. Same goes with Devil May Cry and Resident Evil like you said. If you look at it that way, Snake is the only realistic character in Smash, which is why he stands out from the roster in my opinion (not saying that's a bad thing though). I'm not that well versed into any of the franchises I mentioned and I might be talking out of my ass for all I know, but that's how I see this.

 

[CannonStreak]

With Geno being a star warrior possesing a puppet it would make sense for him to be the only or one of the few spirit promotions to happen

I'd have to agree. I can see Geno transcending spirit status based on what you said.

 

[zferolie]

I'd have to agree. I can see Geno transcending spirit status based on what you said.

Yeaj Geno and Shantae i feel are 100% beimg upgraded, as they are clearly the most wanted spirits by far.

 

[YsDisciple]

On the topic of what characters would a Geno Spirit Board include, I'd find the following spirits likely:

- Croco
- Frogfucius
- Toadofsky
- Belome
- Booster
- Jonathan Jones
- Yaridovich
- The Axem Rangers
- Exor
- Smithy (Can be enhanced to his final form)

These characters imo represent SMRPG the most (besides Geno, Mallow, and the rest of the gang).

 

[Malo Mart]

On the topic of what characters would a Geno Spirit Board include, I'd find the following spirits likely:

- Croco
- Frogfucius
- Toadofsky
- Belome
- Booster
- Jonathan Jones
- Yaridovich
- The Axem Rangers
- Exor
- Smithy (Can be enhanced to his final form)

These characters imo represent SMRPG the most (besides Geno, Mallow, and the rest of the gang).

I'd go with Valentina instead of Toadofsky but the rest is on point

 

[Zinith]

On the topic of what characters would a Geno Spirit Board include, I'd find the following spirits likely:

- Croco
- Frogfucius
- Toadofsky
- Belome
- Booster
- Jonathan Jones
- Yaridovich
- The Axem Rangers
- Exor
- Smithy (Can be enhanced to his final form)

These characters imo represent SMRPG the most (besides Geno, Mallow, and the rest of the gang).

Yeah, yeah. I mean SMRPG surely doesn't represent one of the only times in Mario history it subverted the personality of one of its most consistent characters. Surely there isn't a character like THAT!!!

 

[Qeomash]

The only other third party I can think of that would be a hard deconfirm for a popular request would be a Tales rep that isn't Lloyd.

 

[Firox]

Yeah, but as Doom Slayer fan it would kinda suck.

Can you imagine how many sad memes would happen if Dovahkin was the actual character behind the leak besides Geno?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: All due respect to fans of Dovahkin, I honestly think he's an extremely bland character beside Doomslayer. Personal biases aside, I'm REALLY wary about getting another realistic human swordfighter. Unless they give him an absolutely sick moveset, I probably wouldn't buy him.

 

[CannonStreak]

Yeaj Geno and Shantae i feel are 100% beimg upgraded, as they are clearly the most wanted spirits by far.

No kidding! I would like Rayman as well as Geno and Shantae (even though Rayman probably is not as likely or requested as the other two), but Shantae would be a great upgrade along with our favorite puppet boy.

 

[Malo Mart]

Yeah, yeah. I mean SMRPG surely doesn't represent one of the only times in Mario history it subverted the personality of one of its most consistent characters. Surely there isn't a character like THAT!!!

Clearly he confused Belome with another SMRPG character whose name starts with a B

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

If Geno gets in as the 7th fighter, there will not be a spirit board. Maybe like two or three spirits alongside of one fighter, but there will SURELY not be a spirit board. That is reserved for the Fighter Pass characters, and would give additional characters who make it in, say Bandana Dee at #6 and Geno #7, high amounts of undue representation in the spirit list, when they come from an already repped (probably first party) series.

But I don't know anything about it. All I have is high confidence that the exclusive spirit boards end with the controversial, third party FP5.

 

[EarlTamm]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: All due respect to fans of Dovahkin, I honestly think he's an extremely bland character beside Doomslayer. Personal biases aside, I'm REALLY wary about getting another realistic human swordfighter. Unless they give him an absolutely sick moveset, I probably wouldn't buy him.

Maybe they could use his shouts in some interesting ways? I can see them using Fus Ro Da in some interesting ways, but I am not knowledgeable enough about the character to truly know his full moveset potential. Probably a good idea to swing by the Dovahkin thread and see what they came up with.

If Geno gets in as the 7th fighter, there will not be a spirit board. Maybe like two or three spirits alongside of one fighter, but there will SURELY not be a spirit board. That is reserved for the Fighter Pass characters, and would give additional characters who make it in, say Bandana Dee at #6 and Geno #7, high amounts of undue representation in the spirit list, when they come from an already repped (probably first party) series.

But I don't know anything about it. All I have is high confidence that the exclusive spirit boards end with the controversial, third party FP5.

This is fair, considering we don't know the nature of DLC beyond the 5th fighter. I do hope that if there is going to be less content like that, however, the price will be lowered overall.

 

[TableCloth]

Fatman giving me anxiety about Doomslayer's chances.

Help me Geno, you're my only hope.

 

[Qeomash]

Honestly, if not coming with stages and much music would mean we get even one more character then we otherwise would have with stages...I'll take no more stages.