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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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I’m telling you Master Chief is fighter #5 and that audio leak is real
Fake. It just doesn´t sound right. wear some nice headphones. Hear it in a silent place. **** sounds fake.

I disagree there, especially Waluigi. The Game Awards is too big a stage and too big of an event to end on Waluigi or a first party character. I know Smash has a history of ending on sour and 'weak' notes, but all of those have been on their own terms in their own events, this is the game awards, this is basically E3's pre-game

After Nintendo blew the ceiling off with Joker last year you can be sure they'll bring their A-game to close out the pass at the GA's. Someone like Kratos or Sora or Master Chief would totally match what they got last year
If I had a dollar for every time Nintendo dissapointed me, I would have at least one or two more games in my collection.
 

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So, kind of left holding the bag here. Outside of the NoA source squashing it, Namco still makes sense to:

-Lines up thematically with the rest of the pass ("new" companies to Smash Ultimate with histories of crossovers).

-Fighter's Pass was originally final so ending on the company that has spent 8 years helping Sakurai out made sense to me. As shown time and time again, Sakurai is someone that puts a lot of effort in making sure in "giving credit where credit is due" so doing this with a character addition seemed to be the most tangible route.

-3 of the remaining 8 (technically 9) Mii costumes are Namco.

-Namco hasn't had a new addition to Ultimate yet.

Things that made sense about Soul Calibur:

-Second most ambitious cross over series in gaming after Smash and obviously Namco's biggest crossover series.

-If Power of Six Theory is right, Lloyd and Heihachi would be out of the Fighter's Pass and Soul Calibur is Namco's fourth biggest series.

-Of the remaining Mii costumes, 3 are Namco, 3 have swords, and 2 have heavy armor, suggesting a theme.

-Fighter's Pass seems to have a theme of wrangling new games from certain franchises/companies. Soul Calibur has been notably absent from Nintendo since Soul Calibur Legends on the Wii.

-Link in Soul Calibur 2 is still one of the most ambitious crossovers Nintendo has ever done with a third party.

This all said, logically it made sense to me but if the NoA source with the perfect track record said "nope, ain't Namco", I can't fully support it. Verge was one thing (putting it mildly) but if the NoA source that I actually know and whose reliability I have seen time and time again claims to know, I'm pretty inclined to listen. My only hang up is that Nintendo did flat out lie to it's own employees last year about the VGAs but hard baiting them in making them believe Metroid announcements were coming so there's a side of me that wonders what are the odds of Nintendo doing this again.
 

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I do have a reason myself to want Sora be deconfirmed (probably not the same reason you have, lol), and it's simply because if it's not Sora, I rather know NOW and move on from it, rather than get disappointed during TGA event… specially after all this teasing I've been going through lately personally with: NO ONE deconfirming him yet, and KH having a most likely big pressence at TGA instead of jump festa (by this i mean KH hasn't been confirmed for jump festa's schedule that Gematsu just put out recently, but FF7R new trailer was confirmed in that schedule instead, so that most likely means KH3 DLC trailer that was promised for december MIGHT be at TGA instead then, just an assumption of course, based on this info we know so far).
I really wish i could say "no sora" already and be at peace myself, if someone would just deconfirm him already, but so far, no one has :mybodyisreggie: (he could be deconfirmed any day now, we still got days to go, lol).

Edit: Typo "no" to "not" in the parentheses near the start.
Personally, I'd like sora to be disconfirmed for the sake of my own sanity. It'd be the absolute biggest middle finger to have very conspicuously held off on geno's mii costume just to package him in with sora later.
 

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So, kind of left holding the bag here. Outside of the NoA source squashing it, Namco still makes sense to:

-Lines up thematically with the rest of the pass ("new" companies to Smash Ultimate with histories of crossovers).

-Fighter's Pass was originally final so ending on the company that has spent 8 years helping Sakurai out made sense to me. As shown time and time again, Sakurai is someone that puts a lot of effort in making sure in "giving credit where credit is due" so doing this with a character addition seemed to be the most tangible route.

-3 of the remaining 8 (technically 9) Mii costumes are Namco.

-Namco hasn't had a new addition to Ultimate yet.

Things that made sense about Soul Calibur:

-Second most ambitious cross over series in gaming after Smash and obviously Namco's biggest crossover series.

-If Power of Six Theory is right, Lloyd and Heihachi would be out of the Fighter's Pass and Soul Calibur is Namco's fourth biggest series.

-Of the remaining Mii costumes, 3 are Namco, 3 have swords, and 2 have heavy armor, suggesting a theme.

-Fighter's Pass seems to have a theme of wrangling new games from certain franchises/companies. Soul Calibur has been notably absent from Nintendo since Soul Calibur Legends on the Wii.

-Link in Soul Calibur 2 is still one of the most ambitious crossovers Nintendo has ever done with a third party.

This all said, logically it made sense to me but if the NoA source with the perfect track record said "nope, ain't Namco", I can't fully support it. Verge was one thing (putting it mildly) but if the NoA source that I actually know and whose reliability I have seen time and time again claims to know, I'm pretty inclined to listen. My only hang up is that Nintendo did flat out lie to it's own employees last year about the VGAs but hard baiting them in making them believe Metroid announcements were coming so there's a side of me that wonders what are the odds of Nintendo doing this again.
Oh so all the talk of Metroid around the VGAs last year was because of leakbait? Interesting, so there is a precedent for Nintendo doing that for specific events.
 

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@JDCabrera Alright, it's time for yet another story time. This time about the starling. Much like me being kicked out of the group, this was something else that was supposed to just pass over without drama and the irony of this might as well be shrapnel at this point.

The truth about the starling is that we don't know what the starling means, if anything. As you all know, the NoA source has teased announcements in the past via picture hints such as the infamous Puzzle Witch for Banjo and Kazooie. So, the first round of drama went down. I let my emotions get the best of me and I shared the picture without asking and that whole saga can be in the preceding pages here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1065#post-23446153

After I shared the picture, I would find out that it actually didn't come from the NoA source but from one of their sources. Well... ****... This caused some group infighting for awhile when this was revealed. The NoA source didn't (and still doesn't) know what it was supposed to mean. They never got clarification and neither did we. This had become par the course in the group because we've probably received half a dozen picture hints since the starling and have been able to figure out literally one because they're so vague and cryptic. This caused more fighting in the group because some of us felt jerked around because we didn't know the NoA source didn't know what it meant for over a month but we got our anger out.

"Okay, what do we tell people about the starling?"

"Nothing."

"Nothing?"

"Nothing."

It was decided to just drop it and move on. I didn't agree with this and wanted to tell this group what it meant (possibly nothing). More fighting ensued. I gave up because the arguments were getting too heated and everyone was just burned out on the whole damn thing so I just went ahead and made this statement:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1347#post-23519539

Like I said, the irony is palpable and exactly what I argued in the group came true "this is the internet, nobody forgives or forgets anything" so letting sleeping birds lie honestly just made people trust me less and grow into bitter resentment. Funny how that works. Finally, it was always speculation and I noted that here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1231#post-23483112

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1299#post-23504392

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1232#post-23483149

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1145#post-23469549

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1085#post-23450278

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1088#post-23451001

Get the picture? There's plenty more examples where I say it's a probably a hint based on past patterns but we didn't know what it was yet. So, all in all, not super fun to dig this all back up on my birthday but I personally feel that this could have all been avoided if I had just flat out told you all the truth straightforward instead of trying to bury it per my given instructions.
 
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I know people are saying phoenix. And I know I sound like a broken record BUT.....

Monokuma though?
Too random
Nothing new, at least not that I have read. NoA hasn't heard anything new about it. I have a TERRIBLE memory so If I get wrong who deconfirmed what, let me know guys… but the current deconfirm list for FIGHTER PACK 5 looks like this now iirc :

-Crash Bandicoot. ( NoA and sabi's other source)
-Doom Slayer from Doom (vergeben)
-Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden (All of the sources I think)
-Tracer from Overwatch (everyone, duh lol)
-Scorpion from Mortal Kombat (Verge)
-Dante from Devil May Cry (Sabi's other source)
-Geno from Super Mario RPG (verge, and sabi I think? definitely verge for sure anyway)
-Not Gordon Freeman (verge I think?)
-Any Resident Evil character (Nintendo with the spirits)
-Any character from Ubisoft (Verge)
-Any character from Falcom (Verge)
-Any character from Nippon Ichi Software (Verge)
-Any Bandai Namco Character (Verge and NoA guy)
- Any Level-5 Character (Verge)
- Any Capcom characters (NoA guy)

No idea on the scenario for next DLCs after pass 1, we are all clueless about that of course, but personally I feel a lot (or some, rather) of these could have a chance for next DLCs if sakurai meant what he said by next DLC being "opportunities to please fans" or however he said it.

Also I feel like if for some reason any of these happened to become FP5, then every single source would be BTFO, lol, since most agree with each other with many of these deconfirmations. In my opinion anyway.
I’m sorry for asking but at this point in the game I need to know, is a Sony character deconfirmed yet? Sackboys my most wanted and he’s the last one out of my top 30 that hasn’t been deconfirmed or deemed very unlikely based on evidence, and I just need to know if he’s out the game too.
 
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Oh so all the talk of Metroid around the VGAs last year was because of leakbait? Interesting, so there is a precedent for Nintendo doing that for specific events.
Yep. Nintendo Ambassadors were even sent magazines with Samus on the cover days before the VGAs so the Private Discord was hueing, hueing, hueing up until we got completely BTFO by Joker. Once again, I do have citations:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-471#post-22796472

Funny how I'm supposedly a pathological liar but can provide evidence of my statements EACH AND EVERY SINGLE TIME.
 
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@JDCabrera Alright, it's time for yet another story time. This time about the starling. Much like me being kicked out of the group, this was something else that was supposed to just pass over without drama and the irony of this might as well be shrapnel at this point.

The truth about the starling is that we don't know what the starling means, if anything. As you all know, the NoA source has teased announcements in the past via picture hints such as the infamous Puzzle Witch for Banjo and Kazooie. So, the first round of drama went down. I let my emotions get the best of me and I shared the picture without asking and that whole saga can be in the preceding pages here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1065#post-23446153

After I shared the picture, I would find out that it actually didn't come from the NoA source but from one of their sources. Well... ****... This caused some group infighting for awhile when this was revealed. The NoA source didn't (and still doesn't) know what it was supposed to mean. They never got clarification and neither did we. This had become par the course in the group because we've probably received half a dozen picture hints since the starling and have been able to figure out literally one because they're so vague and cryptic. This caused more fighting in the group because some of us felt jerked around because we didn't know the NoA source didn't know what it meant for over a month but we got our anger out.

"Okay, what do we tell people about the starling?"

"Nothing."

"Nothing?"

"Nothing."

It was decided to just drop it and move on. I didn't agree with this and wanted to tell this group what it meant (possibly nothing). More fighting ensued. I gave up because the arguments were getting too heated and everyone was just burned out on the whole damn thing so I just went ahead and made this statement:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1347#post-23519539

Like I said, the irony is palpable and exactly what I argued in the group came true "this is the internet, nobody forgives or forgets anything" so letting sleeping birds lie honestly just made people trust me less and grow into bitter resentment. Funny how that works. Finally, it was always speculation and I noted that here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1231#post-23483112

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1299#post-23504392

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1232#post-23483149

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1145#post-23469549

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1085#post-23450278

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1088#post-23451001

Get the picture? There's plenty more examples where I say it's a probably a hint based on past patterns but we didn't know what it was yet. So, all in all, not super fun to dig this all back up on my birthday but I personally feel that this could have all been avoided if I had just flat out told you all the truth straightforward instead of trying to bury it per my given instructions.
Yeah, I am really sorry about what happened yesterday.

I have to admit that back when I was at Forest Maze you were one of the better people over there... and a bit inside I wanted to believe that maybe all I knew was some sort of odd missunderstanding since I did not want to actually see the whole world against you.

I am quite glad that I’m getting to learn more about all of this right now, since it really clears a lot of questions and concerns I had back then and helps me understand what really went on better.


I honestly don’t want to make any enemies, and from personal experience I could say that it is likely you aren’t a person of bad intentions.
 

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Yep. Nintendo Ambassadors were even sent magazines with Samus on the cover days before the VGAs so the Private Discord was hueing, hueing, hueing up until we got completely BTFO by Joker. Once again, I do have citations:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-471#post-22796472

Funny how I'm supposedly a pathological liar but can provide evidence of my statements EACH AND EVERY SINGLE TIME.
They PRINTED FAKE MAGAZINE COVERS? That’s some next level baiting right there. That does seem to lend even more credence to the possibility that the 5th character that the sources seem to know might not be real after all.

Also, happy birthday! I’m sorry that you have to deal with yesterday’s leftover bull today but I hope today gets better!
 

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Mallow and Cacodemon seems more real to me the more time goes by and we see how little these pro leakers actually know
 

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Yeah, I am really sorry about what happened yesterday.

I have to admit that back when I was at Forest Maze you were one of the better people over there... and a bit inside I wanted to believe that maybe all I knew was some sort of odd missunderstanding since I did not want to actually see the whole world against you.

I am quite glad that I’m getting to learn more about all of this right now, since it really clears a lot of questions and concerns I had back then and helps me understand what really went on better.


I honestly don’t want to make any enemies, and from personal experience I could say that it is likely you aren’t a person of bad intentions.
This is also why I have no intention of going back to insider stuff because, when you're the low guy on the totem pole, you're told to take one for the team... A lot. Yesterday was another prime example. Things that blew up because of insistence of secrecy, even in the face of defending people. This is the dark reality of why people like Paragon and Krono had very few public defenders and I honestly hate that. I hate that I can't publicly defend these guys because of the fear that if certain people get called out for bull**** that they'll go nuclear and literally endanger their entire network because you literally run into people like that in insider circles, where everyone's a tool or a stepping stone and they are ready at a moment's notice to cover their ass, no matter the cost.

Like I said the other day, it's incredibly exhausting. I used to work at a police station and dealt with the same thing: cool bros and like 2 people with a ton of power that were pure sociopaths. The sociopaths always won. Always. Publicly outting them meant endangering the whole department because you knew they wouldn't go quietly and would try to take down as many people with them. Granted, almost every work place and organization works like this but having it bleed into something that was supposed to be fun is just... Ugh. When did video games get so damn serious?
 
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This is also why I have no intention of going back to insider stuff because, when you're the low guy on the totem pole, you're told to take one for the team... A lot. Yesterday was another prime example. Things that blew up because of insistence of secrecy, even in the face of defending people. This is the dark reality of why people like Paragon and Krono had very few public defenders and I honestly hate that. I hate that I can't publicly defend these guys because of the fear that if certain people get called out for bull**** that they'll go nuclear and literally endanger their entire network because you literally run into people like that in insider circles, where everyone's a tool or a stepping stone and they are ready at a moment's notice to cover their ass, no matter the cost.

Like I said the other day, it's incredibly exhausting. I used to work at a police station and dealt with the same thing: cool bros and like 2 people with a ton of power that were pure sociopaths. The sociopaths always won. Always. Publicly outting them meant endangering the whole department because you knew they wouldn't go quietly and would try to take down as many people with them. Granted, almost every work place and organization works like this but having it bleed into something that was supposed to be fun is just... Ugh. When did video games get so damn serious?
I really feel you in regards to Paragon.

Paragon is honestly a man too good for this world, and he tends to do great stuff that you rarely see someone do on the internet (he made me a birthday gift for example back when I feared I was getting nothing for that day for example).

I honestly support your choice of getting more apart from Smash speculation... because it truly is hurting innocent people.
 

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Yep. Nintendo Ambassadors were even sent magazines with Samus on the cover days before the VGAs so the Private Discord was hueing, hueing, hueing up until we got completely BTFO by Joker. Once again, I do have citations:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-471#post-22796472

Funny how I'm supposedly a pathological liar but can provide evidence of my statements EACH AND EVERY SINGLE TIME.
So Nintendo straight up leakbaited their ambassadors by implying a Metroid announcement might be happenning? Who's to say something similar isn't happenning here, especially since pretty much everyone is 99% sure its a Smash announcement, so they can't just try and act like something else will be there instead.
 
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And yes, even with all what has happened, I really hope your birthday does go a bit better Fatmanonice Fatmanonice .

Hoping that good stuff does happen.
 

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So here’s something I don’t think anyone’s thought about yet....


What if the original planned fp5 was swapped with someone else after new dlc was announced, and saved for a later dlc date?

This might explain why the namco rep isn’t fp5. Maybe sakurai does want the final reveal to be namco and wants to do something really special for it.

Instead what if sakurai decided to end the original fp on a fan pick instead of a thank you to namco?


It’s of course an unlikely situation, since that would mean pushing back revealing a character they probably already had done. But maybe he’d replaced them with someone he wanted in the past and already had assists to work with to speed development up...
 
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So here’s something I don’t think anyone’s thought about yet....


What if the original planned fp5 was swapped with someone else after new dlc was announced, and saved for a later dlc date?

This might explain why the namco rep isn’t fp5. Maybe sakurai does want the final reveal to be namco and wants to do something really special for it.

Instead what if sakurai decided to end the original fp on a fan pick instead of a thank you to namco?


It’s of course an unlikely situation, since that would mean pushing back revealing a character they probably already had done. But maybe he’d replaced them with someone he wanted in the past and already had assists to work with to speed development up...
I don’t know if that would be likely.

Seems like quite a lot of work for such a short amount of time.

But well, there’s a small chance that could have actually happened.
 

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So here’s something I don’t think anyone’s thought about yet....


What if the original planned fp5 was swapped with someone else after new dlc was announced, and saved for a later dlc date?

This might explain why the namco rep isn’t fp5. Maybe sakurai does want the final reveal to be namco and wants to do something really special for it.

Instead what if sakurai decided to end the original fp on a fan pick instead of a thank you to namco?


It’s of course an unlikely situation, since that would mean pushing back revealing a character they probably already had done. But maybe he’d replaced them with someone he wanted in the past and already had assists to work with to speed development up...
Aw yeah, Waluigi time
 

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Good morning genothread
I got a feeling that it's gonna be a wonderful day
The sun in the sky has a puppet on its face
And it's shining a salute to the genobros race
Oh boy it's well to say
Good morning genothread!
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So here’s something I don’t think anyone’s thought about yet....


What if the original planned fp5 was swapped with someone else after new dlc was announced, and saved for a later dlc date?

This might explain why the namco rep isn’t fp5. Maybe sakurai does want the final reveal to be namco and wants to do something really special for it.

Instead what if sakurai decided to end the original fp on a fan pick instead of a thank you to namco?


It’s of course an unlikely situation, since that would mean pushing back revealing a character they probably already had done. But maybe he’d replaced them with someone he wanted in the past and already had assists to work with to speed development up...
I have honestly considered this. We do have a decent amount of evidence that Hero was probably meant to be first but wasn't because Square couldn't get its collective **** together with Dragon Quest XIS: the Quest for a Western Market and literally delayed it two years (it was supposed to be a Switch launch title). That then raises the question of who the swap out is meant to be? (If it's Waluigi, I might just have a stroke...)
 

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Ultimate may go down as the most successful games in the series, but this development cycle and fan actions may be the worst this series has ever seen. People say the Smash fanbase is one of the worst fanbases out there, and some days, it's impossible to counter that.

Edit: how apropos. My 666th post.
 
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So Nintendo straight up leakbaited their ambassadors by implying a Metroid announcement might be happenning? Who's to say something similar isn't happenning here, especially since pretty much everyone is 99% sure its a Smash announcement, so they can't just try and act like something else will be there instead.
I can confirm this as sabi dm’d me about the magazine covers before the VGAs (back when they just went by polarpanda). They were most definitely alluding to a Metroid Trilogy which as we all know hasn’t been announced. That plus SF Grand Prix have been the biggest reasons why I believe Nintendo has ramped up leakbait for smash. They used to be subtle about it but this current rash of insiders hearing names and having those names be deconfirmed in 48 hours after they go public is super suspicious. Especially when FP5 is supposedly known for a fact by certain insiders.
 
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I have honestly considered this. We do have a decent amount of evidence that Hero was probably meant to be first but wasn't because Square couldn't get its collective **** together with Dragon Quest XIS: the Quest for a Western Market and literally delayed it two years (it was supposed to be a Switch launch title). That then raises the question of who the swap out is meant to be? (If it's Waluigi, I might just have a stroke...)
On the bright side of the potential Hero delay, at least it helped make my biggest “never-ever” out of my most wanted actually happen: Eight from DQ8.

So at least I am glad about Hero taking the development time he had just for that alone.
 

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So here’s something I don’t think anyone’s thought about yet....


What if the original planned fp5 was swapped with someone else after new dlc was announced, and saved for a later dlc date?

This might explain why the namco rep isn’t fp5. Maybe sakurai does want the final reveal to be namco and wants to do something really special for it.

Instead what if sakurai decided to end the original fp on a fan pick instead of a thank you to namco?


It’s of course an unlikely situation, since that would mean pushing back revealing a character they probably already had done. But maybe he’d replaced them with someone he wanted in the past and already had assists to work with to speed development up...
Doomguy 5, Geno 6, hypothetical Namco rep (Lloyd or Nightmare pls) is now 7

Bait all the insiders with something completely different

Tell Gamexplain to shoot down the CacoMallow leak cause it’s totally not anything related to those costumes, it’s actually Leak McBait

Game awards happen and the real reveals implode the internet
 
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Bruh moment
This entire thread is a bruh moment

Wow Fatman, disgusting. And this is coming from someone who's named ActualGarbage. You truly never were a Fatmanonice, just a Leanboyinwater.
ActualGarbage you're beautiful man don't put yourself down. Fatman is a good guy too.....

I love the fact that Fatman also announces in this thread that he's retiring from speculation, and yet the newest Blocked Content (aka the worst speculation YouTuber of the big 3... guy reports everything but doesn't do the research) fails to notice and makes a video based on his speculation. Really getting tired of that guy.

Good morning genothread
I got a feeling that it's gonna be a wonderful day
The sun in the sky has a puppet on its face
And it's shining a salute to the genobros race
Oh boy it's well to say
Good morning genothread!
Nice post! You wanna speedrun some American Dad with me today?
 
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@JDCabrera Alright, it's time for yet another story time. This time about the starling. Much like me being kicked out of the group, this was something else that was supposed to just pass over without drama and the irony of this might as well be shrapnel at this point.

The truth about the starling is that we don't know what the starling means, if anything. As you all know, the NoA source has teased announcements in the past via picture hints such as the infamous Puzzle Witch for Banjo and Kazooie. So, the first round of drama went down. I let my emotions get the best of me and I shared the picture without asking and that whole saga can be in the preceding pages here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1065#post-23446153

After I shared the picture, I would find out that it actually didn't come from the NoA source but from one of their sources. Well... ****... This caused some group infighting for awhile when this was revealed. The NoA source didn't (and still doesn't) know what it was supposed to mean. They never got clarification and neither did we. This had become par the course in the group because we've probably received half a dozen picture hints since the starling and have been able to figure out literally one because they're so vague and cryptic. This caused more fighting in the group because some of us felt jerked around because we didn't know the NoA source didn't know what it meant for over a month but we got our anger out.

"Okay, what do we tell people about the starling?"

"Nothing."

"Nothing?"

"Nothing."

It was decided to just drop it and move on. I didn't agree with this and wanted to tell this group what it meant (possibly nothing). More fighting ensued. I gave up because the arguments were getting too heated and everyone was just burned out on the whole damn thing so I just went ahead and made this statement:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1347#post-23519539

Like I said, the irony is palpable and exactly what I argued in the group came true "this is the internet, nobody forgives or forgets anything" so letting sleeping birds lie honestly just made people trust me less and grow into bitter resentment. Funny how that works. Finally, it was always speculation and I noted that here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1231#post-23483112

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1299#post-23504392

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1232#post-23483149

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1145#post-23469549

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1085#post-23450278

Here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1088#post-23451001

Get the picture? There's plenty more examples where I say it's a probably a hint based on past patterns but we didn't know what it was yet. So, all in all, not super fun to dig this all back up on my birthday but I personally feel that this could have all been avoided if I had just flat out told you all the truth straightforward instead of trying to bury it per my given instructions.
I had really come to the conclusion that it was nothing, but I appreciate the honesty, especially if it means you're going against the grain of what these ****heads told you to do in the first place. Like, the image was already out when it shouldn't be, how would just being truthful about it literally 6 months ago have been any more trouble? These guys are clowns. What you said about how there's always a risk someone's going to go nuclear and try to take people with them when they go? I've seen the bad guys at the top get brought down before in my work environment. It's a process, but it happens, and the sociopaths do not always win, and the fallout is never as bad on the "uninvolved" as long as their hands are provably clean. Just my two cents on that.

Since it's sort of in the spotlight again, last night... you and no one else in this thread deserved that. There was a clear case of people either not having any reading comprehension, or maliciously choosing to not have any, much of which was probably the latter. If I go on too long about my thoughts, I'll end up writing a thread derailing novel, but I just wanted to put a little out there because it's honestly hard to watch high quality asshats try to drag someone through the mud and not be able to post until it's all over.

Have a happy birthday, man.
 

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This entire thread is a bruh moment


ActualGarbage you're beautiful man don't put yourself down. Fatman is a good guy too.....

I love the fact that Fatman also announces in this thread that he's retiring from speculation, and yet the newest Blocked Content (aka the worst speculation YouTuber of the big 3... guy reports everything but doesn't do the research) fails to notice and makes a video based on his speculation. Really getting tired of that guy.


Nice post! You wanna speedrun some American Dad with me today?
Thanks! and yes i do my friend
 
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Those hats were literally remade almost perfectly by the mod community one day after being shown.
I can't believe you signed up just to post something incorrect. It took at least a full week before somewhat similar hats were being put into the game, and I believe it took a little longer than that to get one that jiggles.
 

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So here’s something I don’t think anyone’s thought about yet....


What if the original planned fp5 was swapped with someone else after new dlc was announced, and saved for a later dlc date?

This might explain why the namco rep isn’t fp5. Maybe sakurai does want the final reveal to be namco and wants to do something really special for it.

Instead what if sakurai decided to end the original fp on a fan pick instead of a thank you to namco?


It’s of course an unlikely situation, since that would mean pushing back revealing a character they probably already had done. But maybe he’d replaced them with someone he wanted in the past and already had assists to work with to speed development up...
That's definitely not that case. Let's be honest here, Sakurai doesn't care about how they end Smash Bros with what character they revealed. They on a schedule which they have to adhere to, they're not going to push a character back that they already work on just to end the Fighters Pass on a supposed fan request.

Also let's say hypothetically they were using the Assist Trophy to speed up development for the newly Fifth Fighter, that's not going to speed development up at all. They have the model made, but there's still the moveset they need to come up with, the damage numbers, the animations, the voice acting, the stage, the music, there's a lot more that needs to get done just to get a character who's model is already completed to become playable. Also there is a great chance that they still have to start from scratch with characters that were originally Assist Trophies because there is a gap in quality of the Fighter's models and the Assist Trophies' models.

And last thing, there is no guarantee that a Namco character is going to be DLC at any point. It's speculations. There is never a guarantee for any kind of third party character to join Smash Bros. So much goes on behind close doors, it's takes a while for deals to get made, and the characters have to be on Nintendo's & Sakuria's radar in order for them to even be considered. There's so many uncertain variables that any third party character should be automatically deemed unlikely. Remember, people kept saying that Minecraft Steve was a lock and barely anyone thought that Terry Bogard had a chance of getting in.
 

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I can't believe you signed up just to post something incorrect. It took at least a full week before somewhat similar hats were being put into the game, and I believe it took a little longer than that to get one that jiggles.
Omg he actually did join just now
 

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I can't believe you signed up just to post something incorrect. It took at least a full week before somewhat similar hats were being put into the game, and I believe it took a little longer than that to get one that jiggles.
*snaps finger* beat me to it lol. And correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t know if we’ve even seen a full recreation of the Cacodemon hat in motion. Like people made similar models but never showed them in gameplay.
 

Smashoperatingbuddy123

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Good morning ya

My stand point might be the following for FP5 since the following is still alive

Konami rep

Master chief (I guaranteed you Sakurai will end the rule of only one new rep per company someday)

1st party

Sabi or verge lying about one of the deconfirmed characters not being fp5 (the theory here is they want us to be hype about who it is and not exspect it)

And unless Sudo lied on not happening Travis touchdown

I cant really think of anything else please let me know
 
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