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I read on the source gaming compilation it was mewtwo and Marth, with Bowser and Dedede actually making it decently far before they had to cut them loose for time or something. If anything that just makes Ness staying in look better.
Ok Fatman put the weapon down....there is no need to chop anyone up over this.
I am also having a hard time imagining the moveset since I haven’t played any of the games
"staying in" like they were going to just cut a completely done character?
Their hatred for Shantae is pathetic too.
I think 2 Namco characters back to back is honestly small potatoes and there's a number of work arounds:
Fatmanonice
what are your thoughts on Verge saying FP5 isn't a Namco rep? I believe your theory over Verge's words, but I just want to hear your thoughts.I don't think so. Soul Calibur isn't the biggest Namco franchise, but it certainly isn't niche that's for sure.
I should have worded it better then, I need to go read the interview quotes again but it seemed to imply that at some point they realized they weren't going to finish without cutting off some of the fat, and out of the current cast Bowser and dedede got the boot. I think they said they only got as far as a controllable model so who knows that the timeline of this all was.
You can't generalize about an entire website, of course, but it might just be that Geno's been consistently popular. From what I recall, Ridley and K. Rool were met with similar reactions before they were revealed. (saying that Ridley's too big, or saying that K. Rool wouldn't be included in Smash since he hadn't been in a game since Mario Super Sluggers in 2008)
*starts to imagine a Game Awards trailer starting from the Hero trailer where Nightmare appears and then Geno and Lloyd show up to fight him*
It still feels weird. Even knowing that the fighter pass was basically a lot of Sakurai's wants. There are a bunch of characters he heavily raves about but then ends up going with Nightmare. It just seems like a really odd choice.
Like do we know at all on what Sakurai's thoughts are on Soul Calibur? No, no we don't.
You don't give the artists enough credit. They don't need a 'frame of reference' when the original IP is the reference. That's like saying it's easier to work with someone else's rendition of the Mona Lisa to paint your own than referencing the original.
Don't believe him. Verge hasn't been right about Smash in over a year (last August if we want to be super blunt) and has honestly had an awful year altogether. This is the guy that fell for both the Steve and Star Fox Grand Prix leakbait, after all. Yes, his track record for base roster was great but the info wasn't exactly esoteric among insiders. Lots of people knew but nobody said anything because they didn't feel a need to. Verge was leaking stuff for e-cred and efame and I've come to find that a lot of insiders just find that trashy. Rumors, hints, and teasing are one thing, outright leaking is very hard looked down on, especially if you have a public platform. This is also why **** hit the fan for the Seven Squares. Full scale leaking games/info that you absolutely know are true is largely seen as unethical.So
I don't think so. Soul Calibur isn't the biggest Namco franchise, but it certainly isn't niche that's for sure.
Whoopee, failure to be dedicated to WIPs has its benefits! It's not like it's disparaging for artists to do that, too. Even the most skilled artists have done this very thing. They can pick from the original sources and from prior projects to make something fresh a reality. I truly feel like that was done at least with King K. Rool's costume's assets, as they mirror the playable K. Rool quite well. You can also see the inspiration from both of his older designs, the one from Rareware's DKC series and the one from PAON. It was all used to make the beautiful concoction we have today.Almost two months ago, the Supper Mario Broth twitter made a post about Peach's Mario RPG model that they used to create her sprites, and it's ridiculously detailed for the time. Ever since seeing it, I've been really hoping that somewhere, those models still exist and they use Geno's original model as a reference for his Smash debut.
Not to mention that once Ridley was in, almost everything was a safe bet. Waluigi was dead in the water (... apparently), Daisy and the concept of echo fighters was in, and Ridley was here. The sky was the limit and every character added was a safe bet afterwards - and the ones that weren't safe bets, Richter and K. Rool, Vergeben screwed the pooch on.
Soul Caliber is basically the Crossover King of Namco and second only to Smash in gaming as a whole. Here's a list of the huge properties that Soul Caliber has crossed over with over the years:
Nightmare is the face of Soul Calibur, he's even on Project Soul's logo
Yeah, I made the mistake of looking at gamefaqs for a while. Then, I found this thread and it seemed like the gods were smiling down upon me.
Wonderful comparison! I was just about to make that same case, but with music.I think the thing with re-used assets is like... recycling stuff from an old sketch, if we'll use artist metaphors here (and boy, as an artist, I love those). You've sketched a character from their original design that you made a long time ago and didn't complete it, and now, you're working on something at a grander scale. Instead of starting with a new sketch, you're like, "Hey, I actually did something that might fit with this," and you can take either portions or the entirety of that sketch to make something new. It uses assets from the original, both the sketch and your final piece, but your sketch is a framework you'd already made that could be recycled. It, too, is very faithful to the original design and original assets, and it can be helped to shortcut things.
I've done this too many times, which is painfully common when you make a million things that you never finish.
tl;dr: Reusing things, even the tiniest things, isn't giving artists less credit they deserve. Rather, it's a commonly integrated part of an artist's life, professional or not. It's just logical. It can even boil down to just reusing and sprucing up texture maps or pieces, which, in the case of Geno's outfit, is definitely possible. They already have a basis with his cape and hat. Why not tweak those and give them a fresh coat of paint? They've already got some groundwork there, and they can alter the already done models to best fit the real deal. It's not like it's an impossibility, and in fact, it could potentially make the workload easier.
Also, unrelated, buuuuuuut...
THAT MARIO MAKER 2 UPDATE IS MAKING MY ZELDA II-LOVING HEART SING.
I doubt Sakurai was dropping hints about the next character like that, he was probably just being general about the post pass characters - if he wants to please the longtime fans, he's gonna be dropping some characters that zoomers are gonna have to crack open a history book to know about, and they won't be listed in the first few pages like Terry.
I would hope so...but I fear it might be lost. Square was bad about keeping materials back then. It's believed that they lost most of the source materials for all final fantasy games, including source code. That's why all FF7 ports are based on the old pc version (which another company did, that DIDN'T lose everything).
True, I heard that's why it took so long to get a Final Fantasy 8 remaster. But, Mario RPG has the advantage in that Nintendo was involved with it.
Fatmanonice
is on to something
Fatmanonice
where would you put the chances of a double reveal at the game awards?
as I was mentioning earlier he was fully modeled in 3D back when they made Super Mario RPG, as all of his sprites were "pre-rendered" - i.e. they were rendered as models, screenshot, and then touched up to work as individual sprites (tiles, to be more accurate)Geno's Mii costume was the first time the character has ever been modeled officially in 3D if I'm not mistaken. For that reason, they would probably use the Mii costume as reference when making him a playable fighter similar to howOvaltine described.
And than there's also the fact he piggyback off of Shinobi with Banjo & Kazooie and Nintendo themselves with Terry Bogard.
Damn, you just destroyed my hopes...
