Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[OffBi]

Didn't Fatman say that the 7th character was going to be in Geno terms of hype.
If so, could it be Rayman?
His following was getting smaller due to being a spirit, much like Geno.
And like how Geno has that mii costume where he could pull it's asset from, so could Rayman from its trophy back in smash 4.
Just food for thought.

 

[Fatmanonice]

People seem to be speculating a Soulcalibur character but there is a key reason I doubt that. We not only just got Terry but also as Lloyd is most likely a matter of when that means we'd be getting two Namco characters which isn't too likely. Geno is an exception due to the fact that he is viewed as a Nintendo character and is so highly requested

I don't see why not. Lloyd and Geno are very similar to each other in a lot of ways.

-Requested even before Brawl.
-Both Mii costumes in Smash 4.
-Both names heard by insiders for over a year.
-Both deconfirmed for the Fighter's Pass.

Namco currently only has one character in Smash and it's Pac Man. Konami has 3, SEGA has 3, Capcom has 3 (with decent evidence that it's going to get a 4th), and Square has 2. Based on all these factors, Namco eventually getting two characters would not be weird at all, in fact, it would just even out all the third parties that have been involved since Brawl.

 

[ChronoBound]

I may have to revise some things for my Geno essay but I feel like two more of Geno's "competitors" took major blows in the past two days. Like I said, no specific female characters have been heard but the agreement is that Nintendo will probably try to get one before DLC is over.

Lara Croft- If Resident Evil is arguably hard deconfirmed, I think Tomb Raider is an enormous stretch. She's super iconic but she already had a ton of obstacles and I think RE getting the big thumbs down from God himself is pretty damning given the similarities between RE and Tomb Raider.

2B- Similar boat. All the names we've heard have longevity in the Smash fanbase with like half the list going back to Brawl or even Melee. In my opinion, she's "too new" and if Nintendo was going to cash its chips for one female character in DLC, I doubt it would be her. I'm more inclined that Nintendo would go with someone like Dixie ( ChronoBound ) that fans have been requesting for ages than someone who's been kind of niche and you can count the years of being semi relevant on one hand. Sure, people point at Joker and Hero but, guys... Come on... Persona is a spin-off of SMT and goes back to the SNES days and Dragon Quest goes back to the NES and is often credited with full on starting the JRPG genre. It's not comparable. It's like comparing the Looney Tunes to the Minions it's just... No... No... Harsh but it needed to be said.

I appreciate Dixie being the first female that comes to mind for you (and I would really want her to be the one in this situation), but I highly doubt Dixie would randomly be thrown into next year's DLC. The only Nintendo characters I see as a possibility are Astral Chain's Akira Howard or a character from Fire Emblem Three Houses (both titles still never received a spirit event in Ultimate, which is very peculiar).

In general, I think if a female newcomer is included next year (assuming Fighters Pass Fighter #5 is not one or does not have a female alt), she most likely will be Arle or Reimu. Both would be a Japanese equivalent to Doom Slayer, a character who is very popular in a particular region, but obscure in another. I think Doom Slayer is coming, and I do see them trying to balance his inclusion with a character with high particular Japanese appeal, and I think both of those character fit that. Even if a Nintendo character is chosen for the female rep both of the most likely Nintendo character examples I listed (Astral Chain and Fire Emblem Three Houses) have female choices within them (Akira Howard has a male and female version, and Byleth does as well, as well as Edelgard being exclusively female).

I would really love for it to somehow be Dixie Kong as the female newcomer Nintendo hopes to include, but I don't see them seeing Dixie as "female" because she is not a human/mostly human woman, which is what most of the Smash fanbase here means when they say that they want, "more female newcomers", which is really a shame because she is probably the most important female Nintendo not yet on the roster, and arguably the most important gaming one (though Arle outclasses her on the Japanese side of things).

I want to be proven wrong on this, but I doubt Dixie would get picked for explicitly filling out a female DLC character slot. Again, I appreciate Dixie Kong being what comes to mind when you thought about a female newcomer being DLC (she is truly among the few Nintendo icons left not part of Ultimate's legendary roster), and that myself was tagged in relation to this.

For others reading this message, I am sure many of you are either unfamiliar or barely familiar with Dixie Kong, or might even just simply think of her as "that girl Kong". Dixie Kong is far more than that. She is a legendary heroine and was absolutely historic for the time she made her debut. I wrote an essay a few months ago explaining just what makes Dixie Kong special and why I believe in many way she is the ultimate heroine.

Here is a link to the work:
https://smashboards.com/threads/dix...eators-of-dkc-on-youtube.446464/post-23549985

I am not sure if what I wrote will convince any of you or change minds, but it might offer a perspective about why she is so endearing to her fans. Please give it a look when or if you have the chance.

 

[Vector Victor]

It's weird that there were plans to add Dixie back in Brawl as a tag team with Diddy but they never returned to the idea by just adding her later on. Really ironic as that was a time when she was on hiatus in the series and now she's back in the spotlight.

So, the message here is:

Just add Dixie already.

 

[ArchRanger]

I appreciate Dixie being the first female that comes to mind for you (and I would really want her to be the one in this situation), but I highly doubt Dixie would randomly be thrown into next year's DLC. The only Nintendo characters I see as a possibility are Astral Chain's Akira Howard or a character from Fire Emblem Three Houses (both titles still never received a spirit event in Ultimate, which is very peculiar).

In general, I think if a female newcomer is included next year (assuming Fighters Pass Fighter #5 is not one or does not have a female alt), she most likely will be Arle or Reimu. Both would be a Japanese equivalent to Doom Slayer, a character who is very popular in a particular region, but obscure in another. I think Doom Slayer is coming, and I do see them trying to balance his inclusion with a character with high particular Japanese appeal, and I think both of those character fit that. Even if a Nintendo character is chosen for the female rep both of the most likely Nintendo character examples I listed (Astral Chain and Fire Emblem Three Houses) have female choices within them (Akira Howard has a male and female version, and Byleth does as well, as well as Edelgard being exclusively female).

I would really love for it to somehow be Dixie Kong as the female newcomer Nintendo hopes to include, but I don't see them seeing Dixie as "female" because she is not a human/mostly human woman, which is what most of the Smash fanbase here means when they say that they want, "more female newcomers", which is really a shame because she is probably the most important female Nintendo not yet on the roster, and arguably the most important gaming one (though Arle outclasses her on the Japanese side of things).

I want to be proven wrong on this, but I doubt Dixie would get picked for explicitly filling out a female DLC character slot. Again, I appreciate Dixie Kong being what comes to mind when you thought about a female newcomer being DLC (she is truly among the few Nintendo icons left not part of Ultimate's legendary roster), and that myself was tagged in relation to this.

For others reading this message, I am sure many of you are either unfamiliar or barely familiar with Dixie Kong, or might even just simply think of her as "that girl Kong". Dixie Kong is far more than that. She is a legendary heroine and was absolutely historic for the time she made her debut. I wrote an essay a few months ago explaining just what makes Dixie Kong special and why I believe in many way she is the ultimate heroine.

Here is a link to the work:
https://smashboards.com/threads/dix...eators-of-dkc-on-youtube.446464/post-23549985

I am not sure if what I wrote will convince any of you or change minds, but it might offer a perspective about why she is so endearing to her fans. Please give it a look when or if you have the chance.

Honestly, I feel kind of the opposite. IMO if we were going to get another Nintendo character, I am sold on it being Dixie since she was nearly included with Diddy back in the day and has had steady support over the years. Outside of her, I could maybe see Banadana Dee due to the high quests but I feel like Sakurai secretly hates the Kirby series due to HAL milking the series (pushing him to leave the company eventually IIRC) which is why Kirby is bottom tier.

Jokes aside, I don't think we will see another FE character and Three House spirits are coming only in a matter of time. Especially after seeing 8th gen Pokemon get reduced down to spirits (thankfully, sorry Sw/Sh fans). Possibly the same with Astral Chain due to it being a brand new IP despite being successful but that one could go either way. Anyways, I wouldn't sleep on Dixie Kong if we do end up getting another first party character as DLC, which I think is very plausible as a character to show up in-between DLC passes potentially. Just my opinion though.

 

[Icewolff92]

Honestly, I feel kind of the opposite. IMO if we were going to get another Nintendo character, I am sold on it being Dixie since she was nearly included with Diddy back in the day and has had steady support over the years. Outside of her, I could maybe see Banadana Dee due to the high quests but I feel like Sakurai secretly hates the Kirby series due to HAL milking the series (pushing him to leave the company eventually IIRC) which is why Kirby is bottom tier.

Jokes aside, I don't think we will see another FE character and Three House spirits are coming only in a matter of time. Especially after seeing 8th gen Pokemon get reduced down to spirits (thankfully, sorry Sw/Sh fans). Possibly the same with Astral Chain due to it being a brand new IP despite being successful but that one could go either way. Anyways, I wouldn't sleep on Dixie Kong if we do end up getting another first party character as DLC, which I think is very plausible as a character to show up in-between DLC passes potentially. Just my opinion though.

Sorry, but you are missing an important point. It is months after the release of Three Houses and Astral Chain. Pokemon and Daemon X Machina (which is a exclusive ip to nintendo that is brand new) got it right during the release. And its not that hard to add in JPGs compared to something like assist or a character

So unless we are getting a AC and/or 3H rep, adding spirits later for them makes no sense.

 

[OffBi]

Sorry, but you are missing an important point. It is months after the release of Three Houses and Astral Chain. Pokemon and Daemon X Machina (which is a exclusive ip to nintendo that is brand new) got it right during the release. And its not that hard to add in JPGs compared to something like assist or a character

So unless we are getting a AC and/or 3H rep, adding spirits later for them makes no sense.

Then why didn't we get tetris spirits until recently then?
The absence of AC and 3H spirits doesn't mean anything.

 

[ArchRanger]

Sorry, but you are missing an important point. It is months after the release of Three Houses and Astral Chain. Pokemon and Daemon X Machina (which is a exclusive ip to nintendo that is brand new) got it right during the release. And its not that hard to add in JPGs compared to something like assist or a character

So unless we are getting a AC and/or 3H rep, adding spirits later for them makes no sense.

Honestly, there has been no rhyme or reason to any of the spirits so far so 8th gen Pokemon getting added shortly after release isn't setting some rule on why there should be spirits for every major Nintendo shortly after or near release. And let's say this is some new precedent moving forward, this would be something new and therefore wouldn't affect previous releases but I honestly don't think there is any pattern when it comes to the free post-release spirits.

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

Which character is everyone leaning towards for FP5 now? KOS-MOS?

 

[OffBi]

Which character is everyone leaning towards for FP5 now? KOS-MOS?

Nope, nightmare

 

[Icewolff92]

Honestly, there has been no rhyme or reason to any of the spirits so far so 8th gen Pokemon getting added shortly after release isn't setting some rule on why there should be spirits for every major Nintendo shortly after or near release. And let's say this is some new precedent moving forward, this would be something new and therefore wouldn't affect previous releases but I honestly don't think there is any pattern when it comes to the free post-release spirits.

Yet every spirit event that has contained spirits from the newly released game (for example Super Mario Party, Links Awakening, Daemon X Machina and now Sword and shield) has been within the release date. NOT months/weeks later. That's why your comment of "Sword and Shield got spirits now, so it automatically means that 3H and AC are getting spirits only down the line. makes no sense

I¨m not saying that their lack of spirits = fighters, but it sure is a weird one. But if I had to guess, I am on the line of "they will happen". I mean, we got no Persona spirits before Joker, DQ before Hero, Banjo spirits before Banjo, and SNK before Terry

To qoute PapaGenos answer to me when I asked his thoughts about all this a while back
"It’s definitely strange given nearly everything else has had spirits but I’m unsure what to make if it"

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Which character is everyone leaning towards for FP5 now? KOS-MOS?

The general consensus is that it is all over the place now, after Lloyd was taken out.

Also, people seem to forget that Kos Mos still has Tekken, Dark Souls, and Soul Calibur roadblocks to go through.

 

[Franco Geno]

Sup guys? what did i miss?

 

[nessdeltarune00]

After what happened yesterday, I’m not going to put a ton of stock in Nightmare. I’m still going to bank on the VGA reveal being someone random.

However, as someone who is somewhat unfamiliar with the series, why would they choose Nightmare? Is he like, the face of the series or something?

 

[Vector Victor]

Honestly, there has been no rhyme or reason to any of the spirits so far so 8th gen Pokemon getting added shortly after release isn't setting some rule on why there should be spirits for every major Nintendo shortly after or near release. And let's say this is some new precedent moving forward, this would be something new and therefore wouldn't affect previous releases but I honestly don't think there is any pattern when it comes to the free post-release spirits.

Resident Evil's spirits came out of nowhere with no more fanfare than other spirit events and not for a special day or tie in release. Just, a major third party had spirits dumped in out of the blue. Weird.

 

[AugustusB]

Which character is everyone leaning towards for FP5 now? KOS-MOS?

Its hard to say. Nightmare would be neat, but so would KOS-MOS. Honestly until either or is deconfirmed, then it could be a toss between those two for possible Namco Rep. Now there could be the curveball choices of Klonoa and Tekken Rep. So we shall see in due time.

I do have a question for the class. Way back Sakurai had stated that there was consideration for Heihachi back in Sm4sh. YET he decided against him because of translation of movement from Tekken to incorporate into Smash. What did he mean by that? As in his moves are hard to translate? He moves around in a 3rd space so its weird to translate? I am curious if Nightmare fits the 'hard to translate' to Smash that Sakurai stated about Heihachi way back. I strongly doubt my own line of questioning, but I am curious if this had been considered by others.

 

[Plank08]

Sup guys? what did i miss?

Lloyd died and everyone’s banking on Nightmare
Also did Sabi say Lloyd was Permadead of just FP5 dead?

 

[Icewolff92]

Also, about FP5, I think that it is Jin.
I know we there is talk about SC but here me out.
Tekken is far more popular than Soul Calibur
Every fighting game character has been heroes
Tekken has just recently done more crossovers (Gesse in Tekken and Tekken in the mobile game)
Sakurai has talked about how he wants to add Heihaci but now with the VA died and all, on apparently going for heroes makes Jin the most obvious choice if Tekken

We got 2 JRP characters back to back. So why should it disqualify the chances of two fighting game characters back to back

Resident Evil's spirits came out of nowhere with no more fanfare than other spirit events and not for a special day or tie in release. Just, a major third party had spirits dumped in out of the blue. Weird.

There is a difference between a third-party IP and two IPs that Nintendo literally owns

 

[T2by4]

I can see Nintendo putting in Nightmare since Soul calibur hooked them up in the past. Plus nightmare looks super cool! I'm totally down for it. Also if that happens and Lloyd still has a chance for postpass, Geno has a chance too! If what everyone is saying is true where Sakurai is focusing solely on fan requests post pass, this could be an amazing dlc season, more amazing than what we already got which is hard to believe tbh. I love every character we got so far from the pass.

 

[Franco Geno]

Lloyd died and everyone’s banking on Nightmare
Also did Sabi say Lloyd was Permadead of just FP5 dead?

I really hope it ends up being Nightmare, his design is sick

 

[Looma]

I legit think FP5 might be Travis Touchdown. Everybody counted him out early thanks to the Suda interview but everything seems to be lining up in his favor now. Grant Kirkhope being officially involved with Banjo & Kazooie and teasing like that on twitter has made me second guess the conclusion that Travis is 100% out of the Fighter Pass.

The impending release of NMH3, he fits Fatman's "Thank You" theory, Grasshopper Manufacture would be a new company introduced to SSBU, he even barely squeezes into color theory for good measure (glasses). He's also a name that stylishly dodged the disconfirmation bloodbath completely.

 

[Vector Victor]

I legit think FP5 might be Travis Touchdown. Everybody counted him out early thanks to the Suda interview but everything seems to be lining up in his favor now. Grant Kirkhope being officially involved with Banjo & Kazooie and teasing like that on twitter has made me second guess the conclusion that Travis is 100% out of the Fighter Pass.

The impending release of NMH3, he fits Fatman's "Thank You" theory, Grasshopper Manufacture would be a new company introduced to SSBU, he even barely squeezes into color theory for good measure (glasses). He's also a name that stylishly dodged the disconfirmation bloodbath completely.

No. There's already too many anime lightsaber characters in Smash like Robin, Wii Fit Trainer and Isabelle.

 

[Midget Master]

Lloyd died and everyone’s banking on Nightmare
Also did Sabi say Lloyd was Permadead of just FP5 dead?

Just FP5.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Figured out who FP5 is

Spoiler: Video contains a bit of swearing

 

[Shado-will]

So why Nightmare and not Siegfried?

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

So why Nightmare and not Siegfried?

I read that as Seinfeld.

 

[Franco Geno]

Figured out who FP5 is

Spoiler: Video contains a bit of swearing

 

[Spatulo]

So why Nightmare and not Siegfried?

Nightmare is essentially the series logo at this point

 

[Datboigeno]

Siegfried could easily be an alt costume for Nightmare but considering neither Terry nor Banjo got alts I could see him not getting one.

 

[Vector Victor]

Fighter number 5 is literally the number 5. His echo is a 2.

 

[Spatulo]

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Nah I’ve figured out Fighter 5

Spoiler

 

[Opossum]

Fighter number 5 is literally the number 5. His echo is a 2.

I've seen enough KND in my childhood to know that Two would not work as an echo of Five.

 

[Sigran101]

Fighter number 5 is literally the number 5. His echo is a 2.

What a waste. 2 has so much potential. Really should be a semi clone like Luigi or Wolf.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I wanted to clear the air about something. I believe I already mentioned it here and provided proof but if Nightmare does wind up being true, I was given permission by Sabi in front of dozens of people and probably half a dozen mods on the Papageno's Discord to mention that we had heard Lloyd, Nightmare, and Sol. Based on his decision, I assumed it was "safe" to share and probably a rumor overall, given this has been the case for what Sabi has permitted me to do and say outside the Private Discord for a year now. If it does wind up being a leak, it was definitely unintentional and I had assumed I was being allowed to just talk about certain rumors.

 

[Franco Geno]

The deconfirmed fighters are not dead, maybe they're just trapped below River Twygz Bed waiting to be rescued by Mario or someone else from the smash roster

 

[Fatmanonice]

The fact that Geno and Lloyd are riding pretty high right now for post pass is good enough for me. Like I said yesterday, it's kind of a relief to learn that Lloyd's not 5 because that means Geno wouldn't have been singled out if the original plan was for the Fighter's Pass to be the end. It's weirdly comforting and honestly kind of a boon that the chances of both Lloyd and Geno showing up in Fighter Pass 5 is incredibly small, especially since we currently have 8 Mii costumes and a Mii hat that are MIA, three Namco Mii costumes are missing, and each pass has brought back no more than two veteran Mii costumes from Smash 4, both always being from the same company, meaning Geno's chances of being a Mii costume in Fighter Pass 5 are gloriously microscopic.

 

[T2by4]

>Silvagunner's Geno interview confirms Geno never got an invitation

It's over bros...

 

[xpnc]

>Silvagunner's Geno interview confirms Geno never got an invitation

It's over bros...

I wonder if they have NDAs in the Star Road

 

[Grumbo]

People seem to be speculating a Soulcalibur character but there is a key reason I doubt that. We not only just got Terry but also as Lloyd is most likely a matter of when that means we'd be getting two Namco characters which isn't too likely. Geno is an exception due to the fact that he is viewed as a Nintendo character and is so highly requested

They wouldnt have to be back to back. Geno could be #6 and Lloyd #7. Honestly I think we’re overdue for two more Namco reps

 

[Ura]

Fatmanonice I don't mean to sound like a pest but did you see the question I asked you a few pages ago?

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-1862#post-23691312

I understand if you can't answer and all but I was just curious. That is, if anything was ever said at all.