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I think that theory is solid. The missing costumes are clear exceptions that raise some huge red flags. I said for the entire first half of the year that if the Geno costume didn’t return with Erdrick (Hero) then I’m all in.
This also lines up with the rumor that "Season 2" was decided around E3 and explains why Hero and Terry simply had costumes cut and not full on replacements (presumably Chocobo and Geno for Hero and Heihachi for Terry).
Like I said, I think it's a matter of "fairness" because Sakurai has already apologized for Rex and Spring Man and they came out in 2017. Despite that, I keep saying the names I've heard aren't absolutely definite, it's super unlikely that all of them will make it, and there's a decent chance of a "surprise" or two at some point. As for me, and you all can drag me for this later if I'm wrong, I'm currently not expecting anyone from Three Thrones, Sword and Shield, Astral Chain, etc.
That's fair and a good point. But I can¨t deny that if they are out of the question, the lack of spirits from 3H and AC, while there are DXM and LoZ:A spirits makes me scratch my head if you know what I mean
Could someone summarize Fatman's full thoughts on postpass DLC for me? This thread kind of moves miles a minute so it's hard to keep up sometimes. From what I gather, the character names he has been hearing are "the equivelant of drunk online shopping" but do NOT consist of spirit promotions, AT promotions, or Mii Costume promotions and also won't be shill characters (Byleth, Akira) nor are any echoes being talked about. That's just from what i'm gathering, please let me know if i'm off the mark on any of this.
Sylux is another missing character. I cant see any of these characters actually becoming playable, theyre all such odd choices. Porky being the exception but idk how he’d be implemented or if theyd even want to give mother another rep
Sylux from Metroid is missing as well. That said, this past January, Nintendo decided to completely restart development of Metroid Prime 4 and re-partner with Retro Studios. Sylux may be in hiatus or could be used to reinvigorate excitement for Metroid Prime 4 if Nintendo can turn it around.
Could someone summarize Fatman's full thoughts on postpass DLC for me? This thread kind of moves miles a minute so it's hard to keep up sometimes. From what I gather, the character names he has been hearing are "the equivelant of drunk online shopping" but do NOT consist of spirit promotions, AT promotions, or Mii Costume promotions and also won't be shill characters (Byleth, Akira) nor are any echoes being talked about. That's just from what i'm gathering, please let me know if i'm off the mark on any of this.
-A vast majority of the hypothetical list is decent sized fan picks, on par or bigger than Geno and Crash.
-Don't expect a lot of NPC promotions. This includes spirits and ATs. I will say that ATs and Mii costumes already in the game are a lot less likely and, if the jump happens, it'd be literally one and I have a hard time seeing Sakurai do that for the sake of fairness.
When saying it's narrowed down to two, my mind pretty much jumps right away to Lloyd vs. Heihachi. Or potentially Lloyd vs. Yuri, should Heihachi's addition to Pac-Man's taunts be one of those "disconfirm" things.
When it comes to a Bamco Rep, not enough people are talking about a dark souls Rep, the series has a humongous influence and could very well blindside all of us
Like I said, I think it's a matter of "fairness" because Sakurai has already apologized for Rex and Spring Man and they came out in 2017. Despite that, I keep saying the names I've heard aren't absolutely definite, it's super unlikely that all of them will make it, and there's a decent chance of a "surprise" or two at some point. As for me, and you all can drag me for this later if I'm wrong, I'm currently not expecting anyone from Three Thrones, Sword and Shield, Astral Chain, etc.
This also lines up with the rumor that "Season 2" was decided around E3 and explains why Hero and Terry simply had costumes cut and not full on replacements (presumably Chocobo and Geno for Hero and Heihachi for Terry).
-A vast majority of the hypothetical list is decent sized fan picks, on par or bigger than Geno and Crash.
-Don't expect a lot of NPC promotions. This includes spirits and ATs. I will say that ATs and Mii costumes already in the game are a lot less likely and, if the jump happens, it'd be literally one and I have a hard time seeing Sakurai do that for the sake of fairness.
You do realize that most games kinda don't care about characters and focus on gameplay, right? RPGs are very much story-focused, and you can't have a story without characters, and the characters have to be worth investing in. FPS games care more about gameplay, usually multiplayer, rather than characters. Battle Royale game care about gameplay, not characters. Sports games care about making money, not characters.
This is why it makes sense to have more JRPG/RPG characters being requested and put into Smash, because more people will be fans of those characters since they fell in love with them, which is what RPGs are supposed to do. How do you think all us Geno fans got here in the first place? The majority of us are fans from when we were kids, and most of the rest are people who liked him for smaller other reasons and then played the game and fell in love with him there as well.
Congrats on the 1700 pages guys. Shame Geno isn't FP5(if sabi's source is right), but I still think Geno is a garuntee at this popint. the question is when.
as for FP5, I am still leaning towards Shantae or Reimu(if that doujin leak is still legit, nothing has killed it yet). Sakurai said that reconition is not important to him, but fun gameplay, and this FP is a celebration of games. Why not end the pass with a Indie fighter? These 2 seem the most likely, as Shantae has a very long history with nintendo and is the longest currently ongoing indie in the west(and who cares if she is a spirit, her getting in helps geno's chances a bunch),and Reimu is the biggest Indie/Doujin character in japan and is mega popular in Japan and China.
No offense to Touhou and stuff, but for the same reasons that I don't believe we will get Heihachi is the same reason I don't think we will get any other fighting game characters in the FP. Terry got a lot of nerds upset at having three reps from other fighting games and I doubt picking another one is in the plans. Could happen I suppose, but I don't see it as likely. As for an indie rep, that seems like post-pass to me at best. You already got two huge indie reps in the game as an AT and Mii costume as well as a Spirit so I think that will still come later down the line once bigger requests have been filled. I could see an indie rep of some sort near the end of Season 2, like #9 or #10.
So far Sakurai has been introducing fighters that bring new things to the table in the pass. Joker has Arsene and the Revolution (?) Meter, Hero has the Command Menu and a small chance for critical hits, Banjo and Kazooie have their side special which they can only use five times per stock and renders them (mostly) invincible, and Terry can use Power Geyser and Buster Wolf using certain inputs at 100% damage or more.
When it comes to Tales, even though Lloyd is super popular due to Symphonia originating on GC, and Yuri has ToV Definitive on Switch in his favor, Velvet would be the most unique from a gameplay perspective. Yes I know there’s her outfit, but it’s nowhere near comparable to Mai Shiranui’s situation and Velvet’s idle animations don’t focus on sexuality; her design is more “edgy” than sexy. Just cover the cleavage a bit and make her shorts longer and you’re good
Uhh...not to burst your bubble, but Mai didn't get in because she shows off cleavage and legs and some hips and booty with her design, and Mai has an earlier design for the first and third (I think?) Fatal Fury games that covers up her boobage. She's still got the hips and legs, but she doesn't even remotely have as much cleavage.
So to me, this means that it wasn't that they COULDN'T censor her, but it was more that they couldn't represent her fully and truly to her well-known design that is iconic, and they decided to not have her at all rather than not properly represent her.
So, if a character that is well known for being sexy and revealing HAS an art style that is canon that makes them less revealing and can't even be a Spirit or background character in a stage, I'm not sure what makes you think THIS would be acceptable as a fighter,
Fatmanonice
is it possible some of the characters on the "LIST" are leakbait Characters perhaps, kind of like with the Minecraft content thing, and the 7 Square name list
These are names that have honest to god been floating around as early as last September and they can be prime candidates for #5 and post pass. Also, there are first/second party names but not a lot. Most of the characters would be new to Smash too so, like I told the thread yesterday, if you're crossing your fingers for a ton of NPC promotions, you're going to be super disappointed.
Fatmanonice
is it possible some of the characters on the "LIST" are leakbait Characters perhaps, kind of like with the Minecraft content thing, and the 7 Square name list
It really doesn't sound good for Isaac, I flip between him and Geno being my #1 most wanted like every couple days. Alas for the poor boy... Though if they were to promote exactly one AT, I think he has a legit shot. That's probably the character I feel most conflicted over, lots of fan demand but he's kinda stuck in limbo, and could just lose out to Waluigi. We'll have to see how it goes.
You do realize that most games kinda don't care about characters and focus on gameplay, right? RPGs are very much story-focused, and you can't have a story without characters, and the characters have to be worth investing in. FPS games care more about gameplay, usually multiplayer, rather than characters. Battle Royale game care about gameplay, not characters. Sports games care about making money, not characters.
This is why it makes sense to have more JRPG/RPG characters being requested and put into Smash, because more people will be fans of those characters since they fell in love with them, which is what RPGs are supposed to do. How do you think all us Geno fans got here in the first place? The majority of us are fans from when we were kids, and most of the rest are people who liked him for smaller other reasons and then played the game and fell in love with him there as well.
No offense to Touhou and stuff, but for the same reasons that I don't believe we will get Heihachi is the same reason I don't think we will get any other fighting game characters in the FP. Terry got a lot of nerds upset at having three reps from other fighting games and I doubt picking another one is in the plans. Could happen I suppose, but I don't see it as likely. As for an indie rep, that seems like post-pass to me at best. You already got two huge indie reps in the game as an AT and Mii costume as well as a Spirit so I think that will still come later down the line once bigger requests have been filled. I could see an indie rep of some sort near the end of Season 2, like #9 or #10.
Uhh...not to burst your bubble, but Mai didn't get in because she shows off cleavage and legs and some hips and booty with her design, and Mai has an earlier design for the first and third (I think?) Fatal Fury games that covers up her boobage. She's still got the hips and legs, but she doesn't even remotely have as much cleavage.
So to me, this means that it wasn't that they COULDN'T censor her, but it was more that they couldn't represent her fully and truly to her well-known design that is iconic, and they decided to not have her at all rather than not properly represent her.
So, if a character that is well known for being sexy and revealing HAS an art style that is canon that makes them less revealing and can't even be a Spirit or background character in a stage, I'm not sure what makes you think THIS would be acceptable as a fighter,
Let's say there's 5 post-pass. 40% of them being AT promotions and 20% of them (Geno) bring spirit promotions definitely counts as "many" in my book. We'll get Geno and that's probably it.
Geno
Ryu
Crash
1-2 1st party spirits
1-2 1st party newcomers
2-3 other 3rd party newcomers
The spirit candidate could literally be anyone but in the context of fanservice I think dee and paper Mario are the only ones that come to mind. If doom makes it then i think shantae and rayman also become very likely but time will tell
For entirely new 1st parties we have even less of an idea. Looking at all spiritless fighters then we have poochy, sylux, Adeline, porky, vaati, grovile/sceptile, Mike Jones,Dixie Kong, ext. And I'll add to that as we continue to find new possible candidates.
3rd parties are largely unknown but we do know it isn't doomguy Steve and reimu, sora and I think fortnite. Not that they are impossible but they certainly aren't on the list. Also we know they are on par or bigger than geno and crash. It could be hyperbole and contain other choices like Lloyd, Dante, Phoenix, valve, ext.
Hopefully we have a leaker enter the game to take up verges mantle but for now it looks like we're going to have to work this out ourselves until the release happens. Major props to brew and the crash guy for coming out though so we have a little more to contextualize with.
I understand that a lot of people find AT promotions to be extremely unlikely, but like, nothing is entirely impossible in Smash. I don't think adding Isaac would completely turn Smash Ultimate on its head and ruin the game. Yeah it's probably not the most likely thing to happen, but the same could be said for Ridley joining the game. It just depends on whether or not Sakurai and his team is fine with doing it. I mean, if Waluigi gets promoted and summons a Waluigi AT, is the game going to suddenly crash and CTRL + ALT + DEL itself?
Definitely. But not impossible. I like to think that the most requested first party character in the Smash community for the past 15 years that’s not Ridley or K. Rool still has a chance to get in to the Smash game that’s been dedicated to fan favorites. The series has no playable characters. Come on Sakurai!
lol? Definitely not about being a softie. I used to frequent 4chan for years, starting back when it was first a thing. It's more about cultural divide and how poking and prodding at 4chan outside of 4chan just makes you look silly and hardly invites anything productive. I've seen enough on the 'net as an edgy old fogey to know.
Anyway, I'm done with that subject. Promotions...
I easily see spirits being promoted. Base game Mii costumes, I could see being promoted, as well. DLC Mii costumes and assist trophies, however... nah. I think their chances are long dead.
I’m thinking spirit promotions will be like maybe Geno, Shantae and Rayman (Paper Mario in my dreams) hopefully there will be more
The only Assist Trophy promotion will be Isaac in my eyes
From the sounds of things, AT promotions are not looking that likely, but as time goes on it certainly could change, especially should they expand their plans again. I do think for what it's worth that Isaac and Waluigi are the first and foremost candidates. I'd hesitate to expect it at the moment, but I would also hesitate to say that you'll never see an AT promotion before this game's DLC is completely finished.
Geno
Ryu
Crash
1-2 1st party spirits
1-2 1st party newcomers
2-3 other 3rd party newcomers
The spirit candidate could literally be anyone but in the context of fanservice I think dee and paper Mario are the only ones that come to mind. If doom makes it then i think shantae and rayman also become very likely but time will tell
For entirely new 1st parties we have even less of an idea. Looking at all spiritless fighters then we have poochy, sylux, Adeline, porky, vaati, grovile/sceptile, Mike Jones, ext. And I'll add to that as we continue to find new possible candidates.
3rd parties are largely unknown but we do know it isn't doomguy Steve and reimu and I think fortnite. Not that they are impossible but they certainly aren't on the list. Also we know they are on par or bigger than geno and crash. The only thing that comes to mind is sora but it could be hyperbole and contain other choices like Lloyd, Dante, Phoenix, valve, ext.
Hopefully we have a leaker enter the game to take up verges mantle but for now it looks like we're going to have to work this out ourselves until the release happens. Major props to brew and the crash guy for coming out though so we have a little more to contextualize with.