Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[RetrogamerMax]

Yuck. We already have enough Capcom representation. Give it to another company now

That wasn't the only continuation location in his theory, but one of the three out of the two. Other two being the location in Ridley's trailer and the boxing ring in Incineroar's trailer.

 

[Deleted member]

I have a hard time believing this multiple DLC seasons thing cause:

1) I don't know how the final character based off of who he is will lead into another DLC pack and if it's someone like Ryu Hayabusa I cannot see how that will happen.

2) I don't know how credible and solid this leak, rumor or theory is. I don't even know if it's speculation or an actual leak.

And many more I want to believe this but there's too many unanswered questions for me to take it seriously. I may be misinterpreting it as a leak when it's a theory though. I just don't want to get my hopes up time after time after time after time in a continuous loop of disappointment.

 

[Datboigeno]

Wasn't that only a day or two beforehand? And even then, I remember the wording was vague enough that the people claiming that he'd be in could weasel out of it if he wasn't. (such as claiming that it's what they were hoping for as opposed to actually leaking anything)

There were rumblings for at least a week or two beforehand. Like, I remember the Shinobi thing had been around for almost a week or so before E3. Vergeben is the one who did the lame-ass "99% sure thing" litertally the day before likely to save his own ass. Notice how quiet he's been since then.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

There were rumblings for at least a week or two beforehand. Like, I remember the Shinobi thing had been around for almost a week or so before E3. Vergeben is the one who did the lame-*** "99% sure thing".

Vergeben was literally piggybacking off of Shinobi and so was the other insiders and leakers.

 

[Datboigeno]

They're both classic NES series and the climax of the original game does take place in a castle/fortress? I dunno. Either way, it doesn't have to make total sense either. Why were Mario and Megaman with Samus in Ridley's trailer?

To have the follow-up to it be the Geno trailer

 

[YsDisciple]

Nintendo HQ, Japan - February 2020

Mr. Furukawa: Well Mr. Sakurai, it would seem that the Fighters Pass ended up being quite the success!
Sakurai: Indeed. It was truly a gratifying experience working with these companies. This was truly a good call.

both turn towards a button embedded on the meeting table

Mr. Furukawa: I believe it is time then we get on with the next phase?
Sakurai: Well, I would like to take some days to collect my thoughts on the designs but, certainly. I'll make the announcement in the following days.

Mr. Furukawa removes the glass casing covering the button

Mr. Furukawa: In that case, would you do the honors Mr. Sakurai?
Sakurai: Oh, it would be my pleasure. menacing

Narrator: In that moment, as the button had been pressed, encrypted messages were immediately sent to a select group of individuals. The message sent to these individuals stated the following:

"Development time has begun."
-M.S.

Tune in next year, for the next exciting episode of, Super Smash Bros. DLC Speculation Cycle 20XX MAXIMUM CLIMAX Ver. Sigma: The ULTIMATE

 

[wynn728]

Something else people should consider is that there's a decent possibility that future DLC won't be as complicated as this one. We could have DLC packs without stages, spirits, or even CGI trailers to keep things simpler.

It would be a real shame to not get a CGI trailer

Fatmanonice mentioned a Resident Evil rep in his theory for the continuation of the Simon trailer, not Ryu Hayabusa.

While I haven't read it all I understand that Resident Evil could fit well with Simon trailer, but this leak we're looking at says Ryu coming in for Simon trailer. Terry with Incineroar make sense, Ninja Ryu Hayabusa coming into a haunted castle to fight Dracula doesn't make sense as a connection. All these other continuation trailers make sense, but I can't for the life of me understand how Ninja Gaiden and Castlevania connection can work out. Plus I feel they would want a Nintendo character to be along side a third party reveal.

 

[MattX20]

...good lord, I've missed quite a bit since I was away. So, can I get a quick summary regarding what was discussed?

 

[SSGuy]

It would be a real shame to not get a CGI trailer

I just want it to happen at this point regardless of how much work gets put into the trailer lol

 

[Fatmanonice]

I have a hard time believing this multiple DLC seasons thing cause:

1) I don't know how the final character based off of who he is will lead into another DLC pack and if it's someone like Ryu Hayabusa I cannot see how that will happen.

2) I don't know how credible and solid this leak, rumor or theory is. I don't even know if it's speculation or an actual leak.

And many more I want to believe this but there's too many unanswered questions for me to take it seriously. I may be misinterpreting it as a leak when it's a theory though. I just don't want to get my hopes up time after time after time after time in a continuous loop of disappointment.

There's a number of factors but the big things are the 10 unaccounted for placeholders and the fact that Papageno may have been onto something with his amiibo theory. Smash 4 had placeholders too and all of them were eventually filled too. Nintendo's very deliberate with this sort of thing so I don't think they would have added them unless they were very seriously considering the idea.

 

[wynn728]

They're both classic NES series and the climax of the original game does take place in a castle/fortress? I dunno. Either way, it doesn't have to make total sense either. Why were Mario and Megaman with Samus in Ridley's trailer?

Hmmm... maybe that could be it, but I feel they don't want to put a third party character in another third party character trailer.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

...good lord, I've missed quite a bit since I was away. So, can I get a quick summary regarding what was discussed?

- Who is the SNK rep?

- SNK rep is definitely Terry.

- https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1168633558971244544

- Ryu Hayabusa has to be the last character.

- Doom Slayer has to be the last character.

- Geno is definitely coming as bonus DLC.

- Sakurai has only been adding franchises in the DLC that only he likes.

 

[MattX20]

- Who is the SNK rep?

- SNK rep is definitely Terry.

- https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1168633558971244544

- Ryu Hayabusa has to be the last character.

- Doom Slayer has to be the last character.

- Geno is definitely coming as bonus DLC.

- Sakurai has only been adding franchises in the DLC that only he likes.

I really hope Geno happens

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Sakurai liked Undertale, if I remember correctly. Would he add that to Smash though? I know we all say Shovel Knight should've been the indie rep (and I 100% agree) but if we look at Undertale versus Shovel Knight, the popularity difference is very obvious. SK sold 2.5 mil copies earlier this year while Undertale did that in a fraction of the time it took SK. Undertale is basically an icon of the indie scene. If we do get an Undertale rep like a few people believe, it would be extremely understandable why.


I just hope it's Papyrus, as he's far more expressive than Frisk is and more energetic than Sans is.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Sakurai liked Undertale, if I remember correctly. Would he add that to Smash though? I know we all say Shovel Knight should've been the indie rep (and I 100% agree) but if we look at Undertale versus Shovel Knight, the popularity difference is very obvious. SK sold 2.5 mil copies earlier this year while Undertale did that in a fraction of the time it took SK. Undertale is basically an icon of the indie scene. If we do get an Undertale rep like a few people believe, it would be extremely understandable why.

I would honestly love an indie pass: Frisk, Shovel Knight, Shantae, etc. I know they probably wouldn't do that cuz it probably would be perceived by Nintendo that that pass wouldn't sell as well but I think a lot of people do want characters like these. Unfortunately, it's probably just not enough.

 

[DaxMasterix]

They're both classic NES series and the climax of the original game does take place in a castle/fortress? I dunno. Either way, it doesn't have to make total sense either. Why were Mario and Megaman with Samus in Ridley's trailer?

Man, Now I want to see Geno saving Samus from Ridley..

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I would honestly love an indie pass: Frisk, Shovel Knight, Shantae, etc. I know they probably wouldn't do that cuz it probably would be perceived by Nintendo that that pass wouldn't sell as well but I think a lot of people do want characters like these. Unfortunately, it's probably just not enough.

In an Indie Pass, I'd take:
Shovel Knight
Shantae
Frisk
The Ghost (not to be confused with the Hollow Knight, those are two separate things)
and
Quote

Heck, the Prisoner from Dead Cells would be cool too.
Or the Hyper Light Drifter.


I hope my characters can be part of Smash speculation someday, lol.

 

[Datboigeno]

Man, Now I want to see Geno saving Samus from Ridley..

I honestly was thinking Geno would show up as a continuation of the Hero trailer being a spirit and all but as fatman laid out him showing up as a sequel to the Ridley trailer would be perfect.

 

[ivanlerma]

In an Indie Pass, I'd take:
Shovel Knight
Shantae
Frisk
The Ghost (not to be confused with the Hollow Knight, those are two separate things)
and
Quote

Heck, the Prisoner from Dead Cells would be cool too.
Or the Hyper Light Drifter.

Actually, he's refired as The Knight

 

[MattX20]

Oh, that... Don't worry about it. Can't talk about it but I will say that if it's true then, in my opinion, the chances of bonus characters or even additional passes shoots through the roof. If anything, it's a weird blessing in disguise so don't stress it.

Hope this is true

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Actually, he's refired as The Knight

Yeah, except Hornet calls him "Little Ghost." I just think it's cuter than "The Knight." That's as bland as "Hero."

 

[Ezclapper]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77982719

Well I guess this is the final nail in the coffin

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I have to get ready for work in less than a hour, so I'll see you guys tomorrow peace.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

I would honestly love an indie pass: Frisk, Shovel Knight, Shantae, etc. I know they probably wouldn't do that cuz it probably would be perceived by Nintendo that that pass wouldn't sell as well but I think a lot of people do want characters like these. Unfortunately, it's probably just not enough.

I would only accept an Indie pass if Quote was one of them. Please god give me quote,,,

 

[vivala]

https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1168679421072429056

It's definitely Terry. But at least Sabi confirmed that Ryu isn't confirmed. Makes sense that we'd jump on the Ryu train though, seeing as Terry's trailer will probably play up the Ken rivalry and thus be a sequel to Incin's trailer, which will lean towards the 4 chan post about Ryu

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1168679421072429056

It's definitely Terry. But at least Sabi confirmed that Ryu isn't confirmed. Makes sense that we'd jump on the Ryu train though, seeing as Terry's trailer will probably play up the Ken rivalry and thus be a sequel to Incin's trailer, which will lean towards the 4 chan post about Ryu

Wait, so does that mean ForsakenM 's dream could still be legitimate? I'm just entertaining the idea

 

[wynn728]

Shame it wasn't Mai, but I'm ready to get this Fighters Pass over with. And with Ryu Hayabusa potential being the last makes it seem like if you're a Spirit you were basically dead.

 

[SSGuy]

I'm for anything so long as it means Geno is in the cards

 

[MissingGlitch]

https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1168679421072429056

It's definitely Terry. But at least Sabi confirmed that Ryu isn't confirmed. Makes sense that we'd jump on the Ryu train though, seeing as Terry's trailer will probably play up the Ken rivalry and thus be a sequel to Incin's trailer, which will lean towards the 4 chan post about Ryu

Well. Sucks to hear my hype for the fighter pass ended at Banjo.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Again, the point of this pass seems to be about video game history and involving series that Sakurai is a big fan of.

-Persona is a spin off of Shin Megami Tensei which goes back to 1992.

-Dragon Quest is widely considered the "grandfather" of modern JRPGs.

-Even with Banjo being a fan pick, he definitely falls into this too. Rare was definitely a big part of Nintendo's history.

-SNK has a long history and has been making games since the late 1970's. King of Fighters is a probably the most influential traditional fighting game series aside from Street Fighter and Tekken.

This is much different than the Smash 4 DLC with the main point mainly being about fulfilling fan requests. Five of the seven were particularly big requests and one was an ad.

 

[T2by4]

There's a number of factors but the big things are the 10 unaccounted for placeholders and the fact that Papageno may have been onto something with his amiibo theory. Smash 4 had placeholders too and all of them were eventually filled too. Nintendo's very deliberate with this sort of thing so I don't think they would have added them unless they were very seriously considering the idea.

Is that true? Every single placeholder was filled? Not a single one was left out?

That's interesting. But damn hard to believe. You tell me we could potentially be looking at a 85-90 character sized roster?? That's insane.

 

[vivala]

Okay so now that we know fighter 4 is Terry, we need to return to the eternal question: what the hell is the starling referring to???

 

[Fatmanonice]

Is that true? Every single placeholder was filled? Not a single one was left out?

That's interesting. But damn hard to believe. You tell me we could potentially be looking at a 85-90 character sized roster?? That's insane.

Now, this doesn't mean that absolutely every single one will be filled and there's also the possibility of ALTs taking slots too. Echoes can fill placeholders too. At the very least, it shows that Nintendo has entertained the idea of filling all those placeholders.

 

[Deleted member]

Again, the point of this pass seems to be about video game history and involving series that Sakurai is a big fan of.

-Persona is a spin off of Shin Megami Tensei which goes back to 1992.

-Dragon Quest is widely considered the "grandfather" of modern JRPGs.

-Even with Banjo being a fan pick, he definitely falls into this too. Rare was definitely a big part of Nintendo's history.

-SNK has a long history and has been making games since the late 1970's. King of Fighters is a probably the most influential traditional fighting game series aside from Street Fighter and Tekken.

This is much different than the Smash 4 DLC with the main point mainly being about fulfilling fan requests. Five of the seven were particularly big requests and one was an ad.

dang sure would be nice for Sakurai to acknowledge the historically relevant event that was the first time Nintendo let another company handle one of their IPs, which happened to produce a character he said was a great fit for Smash

 

[ivanlerma]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77982719

Well I guess this is the final nail in the coffin

that profile of yours matches the sentence's feeling in my opinion.

 

[SSGuy]

Now, this doesn't mean that absolutely every single one will be filled and there's also the possibility of ALTs taking slots too. Echoes can fill placeholders too. At the very least, it shows that Nintendo has entertained the idea of filling all those placeholders.

Does it seem like Geno wasn't in the cards for the FP at this point?

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Is that true? Every single placeholder was filled? Not a single one was left out?

That's interesting. But damn hard to believe. You tell me we could potentially be looking at a 85-90 character sized roster?? That's insane.

As the resident expert on this one particular thing, yes. All of them were filled in Smash 4. The WoL slots are a different thing entirely, though. The 29 character IDs in ultimate are more accurate to the character IDs in Smash 4, which were all filled, but some of which by alt skins (such as Cloud's different outfit or Bayonetta's different hairstyles.) The WoL slots being filled eventually only makes sense because filling 29 IDs with only 6 fighters seems hard to do. If we got 16 fighters total, then filling 29 IDs is a lot less out of the question.

Also keep in mind, the WoL slots could be echo fighters too.

 

[ForsakenM]

Again, the point of this pass seems to be about video game history and involving series that Sakurai is a big fan of.

-Persona is a spin off of Shin Megami Tensei which goes back to 1992.

-Dragon Quest is widely considered the "grandfather" of modern JRPGs.

-Even with Banjo being a fan pick, he definitely falls into this too. Rare was definitely a big part of Nintendo's history.

-SNK has a long history and has been making games since the late 1970's. King of Fighters is a probably the most influential traditional fighting game series aside from Street Fighter and Tekken.

This is much different than the Smash 4 DLC with the main point mainly being about fulfilling fan requests. Five of the seven were particularly big requests and one was an ad.

Don't forget that Smash first started development in Sakurai's head after whooping the **** outta some couple who never played KoF95 before. It was that initial moment of Sakurai realizing that fighting games often push away the casual audience that birth the first thoughts of Smash in Sakurai's mind.

Only fair they got a character eventually.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Sabi seemed to just make fun of the Smash community in her tweet.

She confirmed she doesn’t know about Ryu.

 

[ForsakenM]

Sabi seemed to just make fun of the Smash community in her tweet.

She confirmed she doesn’t know about Ryu.

Can you blame her?

Look at how this community acts over everything!

We have people in here who think the pass is mostly disappointing because an iconic character from a titan of a franchise is potentially making the roster.