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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Just a reminder, the saltiest person when it comes to Smash DLC speculation (me) will actually finally be thrilled with a DLC pick if it ends up being Terry Bogard.

I'd love for Geno to show up of course but having him and Terry would be pretty badass
 

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Is it wrong to be disappointed if the character you want is not in it? I agree that either harassing or causing problems for fans or people who like the other choice .... but being disappointed about it is fine.
No, everyone should be happy about everything all the time. You're hereby forbidden from having negative opinions about something because that's toxic.
 

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Is it wrong to be disappointed if the character you want is not in it? I agree that either harassing or causing problems for fans or people who like the other choice .... but being disappointed about it is fine.
I got :ultkrool:, :ultridley:, and:ultbanjokazooie: in this game so I'm pretty much satisfied. Anything else at this point is really just a bonus too me. Me not getting another character won't count as a loss what so ever as I waited 17 to 18 years for the three above.
 
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I'm assuming we jumped 6 pages because of an SNK character coming to Smash that's also (supposedly) a female character. Don't worry, I know what this is all about, I don't need an explanation.
 
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No, everyone should be happy about everything all the time. You're hereby forbidden from having negative opinions about something because that's toxic.
Having different views and being disappointed on things is okay, but it's about how those opinions are voiced, especially if they can come off as rather disrespectful.
 

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No, everyone should be happy about everything all the time. You're hereby forbidden from having negative opinions about something because that's toxic.
There’s a difference between disappointment and vitriol. When you let your feelings turn to anger and start expressing that outwardly, that’s where you’ve crossed the line.
 

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I'm assuming we jumped 6 pages because of an SNK character coming to Smash that's also a female character. Don't worry, I know what this is all about, I don't need an explanation.
Glad I'm not the only one who just walked in on this hot mess.
 

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SNK what now?

Well, as long as Sakurai is having fun. He's already got my money!

Maybe the SNK character will have something fun to bring to the table. :yoshi:
 

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Not gonna lie I really want the snk character to be someone from metal slug
 
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Worst part is like.. Is that supposed to be a surprise now? If Nintendo UK already slipped it out it's gonna be so disappointed. (Not the Character, but the reveal itself)
 

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YES (It is wrong to be disappointed), everyone should be happy about everything all the time. You're hereby forbidden from having negative opinions about something because that's toxic.
I fixed that for you
 
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When it came to Dragon Quest, my initial perception of it was negative because of toxic bandwagoning over the "brave" codename in Discord and the like. SNK however, is the exact opposite this time for me personally. I'm genuinely curious/excited to see who will join the fight.
 

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I hope it's Nakoruru to make it unique. All of the other common picks like Terry and Mai already had crossover appearances recently.
 

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Worst part is like.. Is that supposed to be a surprise now? If Nintendo UK already slipped it out it's gonna be so disappointed. (Not the Character, but the reveal itself)
At least it's not like when Ryu and Roy leaked for Smash 4 well in advance - even if this is legitimate (there's evidence pointing in both directions), we still have no idea who the character could be, and from what I've seen in speculation, there are at least half a dozen viable options.
 
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Y'know what I would probably be disappointed in an SNK character but I was also disappointed in Hero and now they're one of my most played characters and I have Hero dittos with my friend once a week. Hero is a lot of fun and yet I would've preferred Geno, Same with a hypothetical SNK rep.

Could they be cool? Absolutely they could blow me away for all I know, I could really like their playstyle and main them for all I know and yet I would prefer Geno and that's okay. You can want someone and be disappointed when you get someone else without saying that character is bad cause we don't know.
 

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I can't believe it, but Ultimate's closing fighters might be more disappointing than Smash 4's. I never would have thought any Smash game would have a ending more boring than Smash 4's.
Well what did you expect when they ended Smash Bros Ultimate Final Direct with Incineroar & Piranha Plant while deconfirming many fan favorite with Assist Trophies.

But anyway I'm a little confuse with the 5th Fighter being leaked, but if it's from an establish franchise then my bets on Dante. His creator said that Dante can only be in Smash Bros if Devil May Cry comes to the Switch, few months later Devil May Cry is on Switch.
 

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I still want to know more about the Starling thing, if the "Specie" is important then I don't see it being related to Nakoruru's Birb.
 
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At least it's not like when Ryu and Roy leaked for Smash 4 well in advance - even if this is legitimate (there's evidence pointing in both directions), we still have no idea who the character could be, and from what I've seen in speculation, there are at least half a dozen viable options.
Yeah, that is the big thing about this leak. We know it's SNK, but we don't know who the character is specifically. It certainly allows for speculation to remain interesting rather than it all being about one character, like previous leaks have.
 

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No, she wasn't.

Compare the reactions to Bayonetta compared to a character like Banjo or K. Rool. Hint: One of them caused much more salt
Bayonetta was someone I very much voted for in the ballot. I know others that did too.

Just cause YOU don't like Bayonetta. Doesn't make her any less of a fan favorite. She's probably one of the biggest cult franchises in gaming at the moment.

See: The uproar anytime Bayo 3 is absent yet again from a Nintendo showing.
 

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while the idea of an SNK rep intrigues me Nako would be really anti-hype over fatal fury and metal slug,but if it was part of the twitter leak that implicated geno then I'd be ecstatic but that sadly wouldn't be provable until the release anyway.
 
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while the idea of an SNK rep intrigues me Nako would be really anti-hype over fatal fury and metal slug, if it was part of the twitter leak that implicated geno then I'd be ecstatic but that sadly wouldn't be provable until the release anyway.
Which leak?
 

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Bayonetta was someone I very much voted for in the ballot. I know others that did too.

Just cause YOU don't like Bayonetta. Doesn't make her any less of a fan favorite. She's probably one of the biggest cult franchises in gaming at the moment.

See: The uproar anytime Bayo 3 is absent yet again from a Nintendo showing.
There are definitely a very large number of people who love Bayonetta, but you're just completely wrong if you think she legitimately won the Smash Ballot. There was datamined evidence in the code that she was already in-development a few weeks after the ballot started, meaning they had done negotiations before the ballot started. Even ignoring that, they can't have made an entire character in the 4 months after the ballot ended. It was rigged from the start, and the actual ballot winner was put in Smash Ultimate.
 

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while the idea of an SNK rep intrigues me Nako would be really anti-hype over fatal fury and metal slug,but if it was part of the twitter leak that implicated geno then I'd be ecstatic but that sadly wouldn't be provable until the release anyway.
You mean the flying weapon one that said FP5 had “already appeared”?
 

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You know something? I'm not gonna give up hope but I'm not gonna set myself up for disappointment either. I genuinely believe that if we get Geno, he'll be the final character. I feel like maybe, just maybe, Nintendo will do a fan favorite for once as a final character. If not... Eh(?) I would argue how some characters make more sense but at this point, when a character reaches Smash, it just sort of blends together like a family. Like a certain webcomic that I hold dearly. A Brawl in the Family.
 

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imo, Fighter #4 potentially being "leaked" doesn't mean Geno's chances of getting into the roster are done for. I've always thought he could be added as a bonus fighter by the end of the Fighters Pass.:nifty:
 

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I'm still pretty confident that the character IDs and WoL fighter slots that were datamined mean something, so I'm not worried about DLC "ending" just yet. I had already pretty much accepted that the first fighter pass was gonna be 3rd party characters I don't care about, with a small chance of Geno being one of them.
 

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Which leak?
the female fighter with a flying weapon thing that's been going around for several months now. CJbrine mentioned earlier the user later made a post before deleting everything about another fighter being someone already present(in the game), which would go in line with exactly what we've all been saying about geno. Now I never saw it myself so I can't say if that actually happened but if it did then nako would look really good for us.
 
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I believe they are commonly hunted by hawks.
Except that's not how the Source said it. He made it very clear that the bird species mattered, and if it were a hint to Nakoruru, he would have used a hawk and not its prey
 

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Honestly, I would love some justice for Rayman, Shantae, or Geno, just because they're the only third party characters with spirits and no form of better representation than that. They're also really big deal characters too. However, I will not place hope on a pedestal too high.
 

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What was music theory?
The Music theory was that Nintendo copyrighted 2 songs from SMRPG and Megalovania from Undertale back on May 15th this year on BrawlBRSTMs3x youtube channel and he ended up deleting the entire thing because of it. I believe if either an Undertale rep happens as the 4th or 5th character then that means the songs that were copyrighted are in fact being used for Ultimate and that COULD be the same reason for Geno to be in. And the same thing could happen the other way around.
 

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Honestly, I would love some justice for Rayman, Shantae, or Geno, just because they're the only third party characters with spirits and no form of better representation than that. They're also really big deal characters too. However, I will not place hope on a pedestal too high.
Geno, Rayman, Shantae, Bomberman, Isaac, Shadow... Oh man, the memories..
Imagine a #2 Fighter Pass, a "Promotion Pass" where Spirits and/or AT gets promoted.
 
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Well no matter what happens I'm gonna continue to expect the worst and hope for the best even though the worst outcome seems to get likelier and likelier as the days go by. I won't drop out or quit rooting for my boy but I definitely except him to not get in and that Banjo is the only fan favorite we receive. He just seems to be a pipe-dream and nothing more at this point but I don't know the DLC I could be very very wrong.
 

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The Music theory was that Nintendo copyrighted 2 songs from SMRPG and Megalovania from Undertale back on May 15th this year on BrawlBRSTMs3x youtube channel and he ended up deleting the entire thing because of it. I believe if either an Undertale rep happens as the 4th or 5th character then that means the songs that were copyrighted are in fact being used for Ultimate and that COULD be the same reason for Geno to be in. And the same thing could happen the other way around.
I don’t remember anything about Nintendo taking down Undertale stuff from him, there was only a fanmade Smash Bros. Megalovania thing they striked last year during the music leak stuff, the same channel losing a fanmade Banjo-Kazooie Smash track and a fanmade SMRPG Smash track while they were in the process of nuking it. But this wasn’t on one of Brawl’s channels.
 
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I just can't muster up any sort of excitement for a SNK character no matter how hard I try. Metal Slug is the singular IP of theirs I've ever had fun with, and the rest has always looked super plain from afar and really not that noteworthy. I suddenly see all these people super happy about it, but again, I can't stress this enough. Despite being someone immersed in most of the gaming community all the time and who actively goes out of his way to find out about new games and investigate new series/have discussions on those matters, I've never encountered any one who really cares that much about the SNK properties and they don't seem as "fondly" remembered as I keep seeing people claim they are. That's anecdotal of course and I know the SNK brand is more popular than that, but it's just astounding how much of a non presence they are in basically all conversations in the gaming community (except for showing up in some crossovers).

My bigger issue is that, much like Capcom, having a crossover SNK character isn't anything special, it's just pretty standard fare. SNK crosses over with a lot of stuff and doesn't really break into anything new or make a crossover event that hasn't happened happen (Joker, Hero, and Banjo & Kazooie all managed this, so, yeah). It's the epitome of a "safe" pick, and somehow even more safe than the Tekken character I had halfway expected to show up.

Like, no matter who it is, they literally fail to check off any boxes for me personally:
-Character I enjoy or am interested in? No.
-Character from a brand new genre or underrepresented genre? Nope, Smash is a fighting game anyway, so there's not a whole lot to be gained here.
-Expands the crossover that is Ultimate in a big, new, and exciting way with a franchise or company that doesn't usually cross over with others? Nope.
-Character from a super successful series or games that reaches millions? None of SNK's IPs achieve anywhere near that notable of a success (and I can't find any information on any of their sales either).
-Character that Smash fans are interested in? Not really, a few people like Terry... but nobody from SNK comes close to being a main fan request.

The best I can say is that a SNK character represents the NeoGeo which does have a place in gaming history and that it will make some people happy (as would all characters). Like the SNK games are classic to a degree, and I know they have their fans. I'm not really disputing that as much, and if Sakurai does have a genuine interest in incorporating a SNK character into Smash, more power to him for doing what he wants. But it's difficult not to see this as a misfire unless there's just a much greater scene for SNK outside of literally every circle I've run in since devoting a big chunk of my life to gaming and collecting...
 
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