Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Tree Gelbman]

I thank God every day that Nintendo is a Japanese company

One who has embraced a male's choice to wear female clothing and vice versa in Animal Crossing, allowed Link to dress in female clothing numerous times now, made a whole plotline of Zelda was really the boy the entire time, one who has toyed with gender identity in Pokemon and other games as well, one that picked up ambiguously and most likely gay characters like Bayonetta, had romance options in Fire Emblem that are gay and lesbian, not exactly totally ditched what was a mistake that made Birdo into a trans-icon in Mario, nor kept them from repeating it with Vivian in Paper Mario.

The twist that Samus is actually a woman under her armor specifically ties into the very delicate nature of transexuality and gender norms expected from a female character. This very twist is what made her a famous video game character.

So if this was a ''Thank god they keep that gay **** out of my video games." post, bub. They've already failed.

The gay is already in your Nintendo games. And it's FABULOUS!!~

 

[Ben Holt]

I'm confused. Was something homophobic said?

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

What does bigger characters mean?

Bigger as in more highly requested by the smash fandom at large, and this is putting aside my bias for geno. I'm talking stuff like Crash Bandicoot, Doom Slayer, Isaac, Spyro, an RE rep of some sort, any number of characters that the fans are actually clamoring for. I'm not trying to claim that overwatch isn't big, but smash fans haven't exactly been chomping at the bit for tracer. My philosophy is that if you're going to make DLC for the people who have the game, it should be the characters they want to see. I realize there's that whole thing about drawing new players to the game, but I really couldn't care less.

 

[DaxMasterix]

So if this was a ''Thank god they keep that gay **** out of my video games." post, bub. They've already failed.

I think he was refering to avoid the "LGBT+ Rep", talking about that is like saying LGBT+ is a game enough to be in SSB.
Also you know how people like reggie works (Even tho he doesn't work in N anymore).. that games are about fun, not about politics or stuff, Like "we support you buy our games".
Remember the Sugiyama Drama in this thread?

 

[Icewolff92]

I'm confused. Was something homophobic said?

The only thing I know is that I posted about accesory that is overwatched theme that later got de-listed from Amazon, which I thought could indicate towards Switch getting a port of Overwatch. But even though I didn't even point it out, instead of port for switch discussion it became a Tracer for Smash spekulation. And since that character is LGTQ... you get the rest

 

[P47]

What if we get Geno in Overwatch?

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

The fact that Tracer is an LGBTQ+ character is unique enough to "justify" an inclusion, is ridiculous that in an 80 character roster, there is no one that represents the community.

A non nintendo character’s sexual orientation alone is not nearly enough to justify their inclusion in a Nintendo All Star fighting game.

You’re just trying to check off a diversity box to justify an inclusion that barely anyone is asking for and that simply isn’t enough

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Alright, I've had enough. This is a support thread for a puppet from a 23 year old game that most of us care about. Why are we STILL discussing Tracer? In this spoiler below, I'm going to discuss Tracer, so don't look if you don't want reality to hit. I intend on ending this discussion.

Spoiler: Tracer, LGBTQ, and Video Games In General

If you want Tracer in Smash because she's LGBTQ, you're playing video games for the wrong reason. At least that's what I think.

I wouldn't mind Tracer but her being "representation of LGBTQ" is not a reason I would pick her. She has more qualities to her than just "I'm LGBTQ, look at me!" Tracer is a genuinely good character. It's almost like she's human. Here's why I would pick her.

1) She's a colorful, unique take on an FPS character.
Tracer is more than the doom and gloom of the Doom Slayer or Master Chief and the mildly cartoony color palette makes Tracer feel unique among her fellow FPS heroes. Her bright orange suit stands out to me and I like characters with unique takes on a genre.

2) Tracer is human and her personality makes her good.
She's not some hero who always wins and stands for something. Tracer is shown to make mistakes and bad calls. She got someone assassinated because of it. She was upset because of it. She's more than just the plucky upstart so many see her as. She has personality and I can respect that. Tracer is more than a one-sided coin.

3) Her sexuality doesn't dictate her morals or affect gameplay at all.
This is the controversial part so you've been warned. Tracer being LGBTQ should not be a determining factor in this. There's more to her than just that and it hurts me to see that THAT is an actual reason some people accept her. I, personally, don't care what your race, sexuality, or age is. It's what makes you you that matters most. Age, race, and sexuality don't determine your character.

Truth be told, for the game I'm working on, I considered making my main protagonist gay with another character but then it hit me. "Why?" Why would I include that in her story? The story is a robot who rises up from her dark past and learns to be... almost human. Her sexuality shouldn't matter because that doesn't determine her character. It shouldn't be in the story at all because it doesn't fit the theme. If the fans want to make headcanons or fanart, so be it. However, that doesn't determine what I like about a character.

Video games shouldn't be enjoyed because they support LGBTQ or a political group or a specific race. It's nice to do so but you shouldn't dictate whether a game is good or a character is worthy because of it. It's about the story, the characters, the destinations, the battles! It's about the friends you make along the way and the enemies you face! The places you explore and the story that's weaved together! The epic conclusion to a narrative, whether it's depressing, frustrating, or joyful!

I apologise if I offended anyone but Tracer is more than just LGBTQ. She would put a nice spin on a FPS and she would fit well with the modern takes on heroes. She'd be fresh like the Luminary and Joker. A new generation of characters for the Ultimate fighting game. I'd be honored if Tracer made it into Smash.

Also, Tree Gelbman , Samus probably has nothing to do with trans rights. If anything, it's feminism, which was a much bigger deal back in the 80s and 90s and was likely the intended use of Samus's character. A strong, independent female protagonist showing what they're capable of. Not saying it couldn't be trans rights but I don't think that's what she was intended for.

If you read that, hopefully we can put it all aside now. This was my TED Talk and I want you guys to understand that I'm completely neutral with whatever reason you pick for her. I'm going to go back to talking about Geno now, as that was the main intention of this thread. I'm certain I will get backlash but that's life. Can't make everyone happy.

So, Geno. Possible taunt options?

 

[KoopaSaki]

Man I wake up from a dream where I saw Geno in the september direct and the crowd went wild with me crying in pure joy to all this speculation of Tracer coming to smash bros! I honestly would be okay with her inclusion and all, It's just that Blizzard really messed up if they were wanting to hide this. More importantly didn't blizz say they could not run overwatch on the switch?

 

[MissingGlitch]

Just want to say I hope one day people stop considering LGBT+ existing as political. But it shouldn't be used as a qualifier for if they deserve a spot in smash. I doubt they added Mario because he was straight. Tracer wouldn't be added because she is a Lesbian. She would be added because of her other qualities. Being lesbian would just be a bonus that adds to her character.

 

[DaxMasterix]

So, Geno. Possible taunt options?

The nod with the *Thanks you!*
The star leaving the puppet ald floating around and
Geno making the genkidama pose

 

[Rikarte]

So, Geno. Possible taunt options?

Crossing arms and nodding is an absolute must tbh

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Just want to say I hope one day people stop considering LGBT+ existing as political

as long as we continue to be exploitable for political good boy points, I don't see that changing anytime soon, unfortunately. But I'll not say more on the matter.
I wouldn't hate tracer, and would not actively hope for her disinclusion, but there are a wealth of other characters I would much rather see.

 

[Megadoomer]

For reference, there is a Tracer discussion thread here: https://smashboards.com/threads/cheers-love-the-cavalrys-here-tracer-support-thread.462080/ I would have pointed it out before conversation reached this point (it's not on-topic for a Geno discussion thread beyond discussing rumours relating to Smash), but I just woke up.

As for Geno's taunts, they tend to relate to whatever direction the button press is in. For his up taunt, his victory animation from Mario RPG seems like a natural fit. If I'm trying to stick with pre-existing Mario RPG animations, it gets trickier - maybe his item animation for a side taunt (lifting his hat off, putting out a small Mario RPG item like a jar of syrup, as throwing it for 1% damage?). Not sure about the down taunt, but maybe the victory pose could be a down taunt while his spellcasting pose (raising his arms in the air as an orange star glows around him) could be an up-taunt?

 

[xNovaNebulax]

So, Geno. Possible taunt options?

crossing arms and nodding, holding his gun hand in the air, or the star flying around the lifeless doll and going back in?

 

[G0nard]

It's been a while since I've been on this, Has there been any updates about Geno or anything about the Starling BIRD image??

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

So I just woke up, what's going on here?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So I missed out on 9 pages and I'm too lazy to go through it all lol! Can anyone give me the lowdown?

 

[SSGuy]

So I missed out on 9 pages and I'm too lazy to go through it all lol! Can anyone give me the lowdown?

https://youtu.be/PAsAVTGh9ts

 

[MissingGlitch]

So I missed out on 9 pages and I'm too lazy to go through it all lol! Can anyone give me the lowdown?

Overwatch switch case got leaked and basically
“Maybe I’ll be Tracer.”
“I”m already Tracer”
“What about Geno?”
Twitter and /v/ were going crazy.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Overwatch switch case got leaked and basically
“Maybe I’ll be Tracer.”
“I”m already Tracer”
“What about Geno?”

Anything from Fatmanonice ?

 

[riggsbass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-xchWPAzJ0

 

[MissingGlitch]

Anything from Fatmanonice ?

As far as we know we still don’t know if the bird means Geno. He just knows the bird doesn’t mean Tracer lol

We are still in the same spot we have been for a couple weeks now.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Here I am just waiting for August to end because we're not getting anything new until September.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

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Honestly Pauline is probably the Mario rep I want most aside from Geno.

 

[MissingGlitch]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Honestly Pauline is probably the Mario rep I want most aside from Geno.

Would people even be disappointed by Pauline?

 

[Icewolff92]

Megadoomer

My apologize since I'm sort of the one that kicked it off. Just thought I could bring the potential about a port because of that de-listed thing and our diskussion of the upcomming direct and the birdpicture... Didn't expect it to implode to a Tracer in Smash discussion like this

About taunts, including Mallow is an obvious one

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Would people even be disappointed by Pauline?

It'd certainly debunk the "spirits deconfirm" argument

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Here I am just waiting for August to end because we're not getting anything new until September.

To me, September always feels like the longest month of the year. This year's September is going to feel like the longest September of my life since the bear and bird are probably coming out that month or October following.

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Honestly Pauline is probably the Mario rep I want most aside from Geno.

I think Geno would be cool. But honestly after that, I'm pretty much satisfied with the Mario representation in Smash Bros.. Last game I wanted to see more villains and Ultimate greatly fixed that by adding ones I really wanted , , .

Now I'm hungry for more female representation in the roster. Now I really want Krystal and Dixie Kong so Star Fox and DK can finally be completed in the roster.

 

[MattX20]

Would people even be disappointed by Pauline?

I wouldn't and even if that 4Chan leak were true regarding a female character causing confusion, KOS-MOS probably would get that kind of reaction also

 

[Datboigeno]

I really don’t get this: We’ve had how many posts over the course of this thread saying not to put any stock into 4chan leaks and the whole thread got derailed over a vague 4chan leak. Why? I question why so many people outside this site got hung up on it too. Like, how many vague 4chan Smash leaks happen everyday? Was it just the Overwatch switch case leak in combination with the vague post? Isn’t it possible someone saw the case and specifically made the post to create a seething atmosphere as people are wont to do on that site? Honestly it feels like I’m taking crazy pills here.

 

[AugustusB]

The obvious taunt is Geno crossing his arms and doing the head nod. I could see him spinning around like he does at the end of the game, but add the star spirit swirling around him as he does it. I would love the last taunt to be pulling stuff out of his hat.

Also unrelated, but I turned 31 today! I have leveled up!

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I really don’t get this: We’ve had how many posts over the course of this thread saying not to put any stock into 4chan leaks and the whole thread got derailed over a vague 4chan leak. Why? I question why so many people outside this site got hung up on it too. Like, how many vague 4chan Smash leaks happen everyday? Was it just the Overwatch switch case leak in combination with the vague post? Isn’t it possible someone saw the case and specifically made the post to create a seething atmosphere as people are wont to do on that site? Honestly it feels like I’m taking crazy pills here.

I'm guessing it's mostly the case leak, because, true to the stereotypical smash fanbase, everything has to tie into smash.

 

[CannonStreak]

The obvious taunt is Geno crossing his arms and doing the head nod. I could see him spinning around like he does at the end of the game, but add the star spirit swirling around him as he does it. I would love the last taunt to be pulling stuff out of his hat.

Also unrelated, but I turned 31 today! I have leveled up!

Happy birthday, then, AugustusB!

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I don't know about you guys, but I would be excited for Elma or KOS-MOS getting in and I would be especially thrilled for Rie Sonomura if either of them manged to get in.

The obvious taunt is Geno crossing his arms and doing the head nod. I could see him spinning around like he does at the end of the game, but add the star spirit swirling around him as he does it. I would love the last taunt to be pulling stuff out of his hat.

Also unrelated, but I turned 31 today! I have leveled up!

Edit: Happy birthday AugustusB !

 

[Ovaltine]

Actually, I think the wording might just be off with that one post...

The fact that Tracer is an LGBTQ+ character is unique enough to "justify" an inclusion, is ridiculous that in an 80 character roster, there is no one that represents the community.

I thought that it meant that Tracer being included solely because of being LGBTQ+ was ridiculous, along with the idea that, in an 80 character roster, it'd be silly to think that none of them represents that community? Although if it's meant to say that she should be included just based on her status as a lesbian alone... yeah, no, this lesbian doesn't approve of that. We're more than just the fact that we like girls, people. C'mon.

Anyway, moving on swiftly from the topic of Tracer... Happy birthday, AugustusB !!

 

[CannonStreak]

So why are we talking about a 4Chan leak when we know that 99% of the time, they don’t come out true? And why are we talking about Tracer in Smash when a Switch case with Overwatch on it does not mean she will get in?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So why are we talking about a 4Chan leak when we know that 99% of the time, they don’t come out true? And why are we talking about Tracer in Smash when a Switch case with Overwatch on it does not mean she will get in?

Because most of us are hungry for any info.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Would people even be disappointed by Pauline?

I'd be disappointed. She comes off more as another Peach clone moveset wise.

So why are we talking about a 4Chan leak when we know that 99% of the time, they don’t come out true? And why are we talking about Tracer in Smash when a Switch case with Overwatch on it does not mean she will get in?

People are talking about it because it's disappointing and everyone is expecting disappointment from Nintendo after having Joker and Banjo & Kazooie revealed.

 

[CannonStreak]

Because most of us are hungry for any info.

In other words, it’s Nintendo’s fault for the news drought.

But even though we are hungry for news, that literally foes not make things like Tracer possibly being in Smash any more right.