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Ovaltine

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Anyone else not seeing the correlation here? Sure, Overwatch could be coming to Switch and get a licensed case, but that doesn’t relate to Smash in any way. Unless there’s some super credible™️ rumor going around, but I haven’t heard it. I’m not convinced if I’m honest. But sure, entertaining the idea yields discussion at least!
The most that there is... is a 4chan text leak from before the Switch case listing that said we'd get a reveal on the 12th: a female that wasn't highly demanded from Smash fans, a choice that'd confuse and disappoint a lot of people. A looooot of people correlated that to Tracer.

Anyway, I'm keeping my personal opinions of Overwatch and Blizzard out of here from this point on. Apologies for the outburst. As someone who was really hyped for OW when it was first unveiled (again, mostly because THAT CAST), I have very... mixed, yet strong, opinions about the game and the people who play it lol. That doesn't belong here and I don't want to upset any other OW fans.
 

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I can't say I agree with this point. Nintendo chose the DLC. If Sora or Tracer got in, it'd be due to their popularity and the sales they could generate. It wouldn't be Blizzard or Disney buying out a spot for anything.
And then you have to consider that Sakurai saw value in making the character. He has final say and I highly doubt a third party would be able to pay him enough to make a character he doesn't want to make. He would make the decision on if he likes the character and what they can do. Not how toxic of a fanbase the character would attract.
 

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The most that there is... is a 4chan text leak from before the Switch case listing that said we'd get a reveal on the 12th: a female that wasn't highly demanded from Smash fans, a choice that'd confuse and disappoint a lot of people. A looooot of people correlated that to Tracer.

Anyway, I'm keeping my personal opinions of Overwatch and Blizzard out of here from this point on. Apologies for the outburst. As someone who was really hyped for OW when it was first unveiled (again, mostly because THAT CAST), I have very... mixed, yet strong, opinions about the game and the people who play it lol. That doesn't belong here and I don't want to upset any other OW fans.
Also keep in mind, if you want to apply that cryptic bird message to ||Tracer|| it kind of fits. Going to be a scary few days.
 

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Honestly, with Hero being used as a way to get people to buy Dragon Quest XI S, I wonder if there's going to be the character from Astral Chain in Smash as the last character. They've been trying to advertise that game a lot, so it would make sense. Plus we did have Bayonetta as the last rep in Smash 4.
No. Rex & ARMS were disqualified from getting in as DLC because they were too new. No way a character from a 2019ngane is getting in when Springman is only an Assist Trophy and Rex is a Mii Costume.
 

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Now that supposed think has been delisted... Yeah, I think this could indicate that THE GAME is coming to Switch
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1166100502787940352
I will admit though if in one direct they go
"Overwatch is coming to the switch...and we have one more announcement *Tracer for Smash*"
It would really come off as a promotional thing Like how the Hero transitioned into a Dragon Quest Ad after his reveal.
 

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I will admit though if in one direct they go
"Overwatch is coming to the switch...and we have one more announcement *Tracer for Smash*"
It would really come off as a promotional thing Like how the Hero transitioned into a Dragon Quest Ad after his reveal.
The "fun" part of all this is that I was talking about the game all along. Could Tracer come to Switch? Of course. As I¨ve said before. The only characters that are more than likely off the table are the likes of Goku and Iron Man.
 

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It's always funny that when a game ends up coming to the Switch it immediately brings up comments like "So-and-so coming to Smash Bros." There could be a chance that Tracer might he the fourth fighter, but I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think a lot of characters are going to happen just because their game is on Switch, but we'll wait and see.
 

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People on 4chan are already jumping the gun and saying Tracer is gonna be in. Im gonna have to say no to that because 1, my boy Heavy is more worthy, 2, if we're getting doomguy, which I am 99% sure we are, I highly doubt we're also getting another shooter/fps rep, and 3, there have been zero hints from anyone indicating a Overwatch rep.
There have been zero hints as to any character, so I don't see how that's a negative unless you're going to literally count every character out lol. I'd also say if you were going to pick two "shooter" types, Tracer and Doomguy would be absolutely amazing choices that contrast each other perfectly (not to mention their physical games are barely like one another except for the fact they are both generally FPS games). Also, please no Heavy, don't insult Gordon Freeman like that. Not that I expect Tracer, but, I don't see any reason to go against her. Overwatch on Switch is going to be dope though as its one of my favorite games of the generation.

I'm going to be honest here, I doubt Tracer would get in Smash because Blizzard themselves have said they'd take Diablo with his cane as a fighter over Overwatch representation, so..

Not saying it's impossible but Blizzard clearly has their own priorities
I think Sakurai would approach Blizzard with Overwatch in mind, and honestly, I doubt Activision is ever going to turn down money. Would be a small shame to see her get in over Crash Bandicoot as the first Activision rep, but I also couldn't really complain.

For me, an Overwatch character would be the second worst thing to happen for a character reveal. The first being Sora. The third being (well was) Plant.

But rip Doomguy if we do end up getting Bayonetta 2.0 into this game. They are both shallow enough to be to each other I suppose.
I think you've gotta stop letting certain fan bases influence your opinions so much if the mere idea of Kingdom Hearts and Overwatch in Smash is enough to bother you so much. Lots of people really enjoy both those franchises. Also, what the hell is that "Bayonetta 2.0" comment supposed to mean? Tracer's not really that shallow and there is lots of lore to all the Overwatch characters. Again, I don't expect her, but I don't get this criticism of her.

No. Rex & ARMS were disqualified from getting in as DLC because they were too new. No way a character from a 2019ngane is getting in when Springman is only an Assist Trophy and Rex is a Mii Costume.
Only applied for the base game. Joker and Hero's main representation both came from 2017 games (Dragon Quest 11 originally released after ARMS for crying out loud), which immediately points out that the same restrictions of base game don't apply to DLC. They just chose to skip over Rex/Pyra and Springman for base game and disqualified them from that (and then DLC by extension of choosing to give them different roles in base game, at least for this Fighter's Pass). I don't think we're getting Astral Chain reps, but there's also no basis to your claim that a character from a more recent, or even 2019, game couldn't get in.
 

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It’s funny how quick the Smash community is to latch on to an idea before eventually forgetting about it and falling back into discussing the same 3-4 characters over and over again.

I doubt Tracer's in, personally (if she were I don't think I'd have a reaction beyond maniacal laughter) but I'm admittedly curious if consideration for her/Overwatch on Switch recontextualizes any of the hint images that we aren't privy to.
Yeah. I know we are in a Smash Speculation Forums but.. Not everything new that happens it's necessary related to Smash
Also this.
 

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The most that there is... is a 4chan text leak from before the Switch case listing that said we'd get a reveal on the 12th: a female that wasn't highly demanded from Smash fans, a choice that'd confuse and disappoint
okay but Elma could fit that and that’s cool with me if that’s the case

I can see how it fits together if that’s the case, though. I don’t know like anything about Overwatch, but hey, Persona didn’t come to Switch when Joker got in. Rare Replay didn’t come when Banjo was announced. It is a possibility, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessity.
 

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At least, based on what I've seen, it appears that the issue with an Overwatch representative is less the character, and more the general toxicity that surrounds the game from which she hails from. Granted, every fandom has its thorns, but that just means those thorns need vigilant maintenance and trimming - Whether there is a representative from overwatch in the game or not, should they appear and their appearance brings with them overlap from the other fanbase, and that overlap happens to bring over some of the bad apples along the way, then we should just be sure to continue to do our part to discourage toxic behavior and ensure people are treated properly and with respect.
That's the Undertale fandom in a shell nut
 

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Honestly on the whole tracer thing...

There’s a couple of reasons why I don’t want the character in smash. And they don’t have anything to do with the overwatch community, and i don’t have anything against the game personally (never played it, eventually will.)

But...if we’re going to add a character from blizzard, then it absolutely needs to be like a generic WoW character avatar, or one of the main characters from the Warcraft series. WoW is what truly brought blizzard where they are, it’s what led the way through the mmorpg revolution(and ultimately might even have been what killed it...). You can’t discuss an mmorpg without discussing WoW, it created so many of the things that still exist for the genre. If smash is about legendary fighters/characters coming together from big name companies, you just can’t add a blizzard character that isn’t from Warcraft imo, it just wouldn’t feel right. And WoW would also represent a genre that isn’t actually repped in smash yet.

Another reason I don’t feel an overwatch character should be in is cuz....if we’re gonna add a team based fps character, I feel TF2 should get that honor, much for the exact same reasons as a WoW character. TF2 is kinda what pushed the team based fps genre where it’s at, and it was the inspiration for overwatch, so i feel a tf2 character would just be more deserving.


Now, I wanna point out, I really don’t want ANY of those characters in smash, even despite me being a huge fan of WoW over the years.(excited beyond excited cuz of classic) because there’s a ton of other characters, both Nintendo first party, and third party, who are waaaaaaay more deserving. But if I have to choose between an overwatch character, or a WoW or tf2 rep, well, sorry overwatch.
 

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And everything else for that matter.

Seriously though there's plenty of nice folks in both communities with jerks here and there, not much different from Smash.
Man, and I thought my fellow Sonic fans (not mainly those here, by the way) were so toxic.
You should see my luck. I'm a fan of Overwatch, She-Ra, Destiny, Fortnite, Steven Universe, Geno, Sonic, Smash, TF2, and Disney just to name a few. I'm a fan of properties which have maybe the worst fandoms out there. lol
 

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I'm not willing to go through the "X game is on Switch, therefore Y character is in Smash" cycle again. Nope. Not this time.
 
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I don't think this means Tracer or whomever will be DLC for Smash if anything I believe it will be that the game itself will come to the Switch. I believe Blizzard wanted to get the game on Switch anyways but I don't have a source for that I just remember hearing and seeing that somewhere.

And for if I would want Tracer or not? Nah not really. Overwatch is cool and I would like to try it out but the fanbase the game brings is awful and toxic, We don't need the Smash fanbase to get any worse than it already is. Dumpster fire + Dumpster fire is not a good match.

I don't mind Tracer themselves though and I think she could potentially work decent enough to be a fun character. Anyways I wouldn't want Tracer due to the games bad fanbase and I don't think this means Tracer will be in anyways it's more than likely just that the game will be ported to Switch if anything.
 

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I think, based on what I know from waaay back, there surfaced some information about Blizzard/Activision being coy in regards to whether or not Overwatch would be coming to the Switch. I remember it being lightly touched upon in a sort of "Ahaa, well, we'll see!" kind of way, and then nothing ever really materialized from that.

Given that we just got a peek at an OW-themed case for the Switch, I think it's a lot safer to say that Overwatch as a game will be arriving onto the platform at some point in the future. Whether that entails a character reveal or not, I can't really say for sure. However, I can't help but admit that re-contextualizing the starling around Tracer sure does seem to fit a little too well.
 

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I think, based on what I know from waaay back, there surfaced some information about Blizzard/Activision being coy in regards to whether or not Overwatch would be coming to the Switch. I remember it being lightly touched upon in a sort of "Ahaa, well, we'll see!" kind of way, and then nothing ever really materialized from that.

Given that we just got a peek at an OW-themed case for the Switch, I think it's a lot safer to say that Overwatch as a game will be arriving onto the platform at some point in the future. Whether that entails a character reveal or not, I can't really say for sure. However, I can't help but admit that re-contextualizing the starling around Tracer sure does seem to fit a little too well.
I seriously doubt the starling is a hint to Tracer in Smash. Given how the source made it clear that the bird's name is important, it's likely word play. Tracer isn't associated with stars, nor is she small so it doesn't really fit
 

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I seriously doubt the starling is a hint to Tracer in Smash. Given how the source made it clear that the bird's name is important, it's likely word play. Tracer isn't associated with stars, nor is she small so it doesn't really fit
If European is apart of the name, then it would be an instant cryptic hint towards her nationality being the UK
 

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I seriously doubt the starling is a hint to Tracer in Smash. Given how the source made it clear that the bird's name is important, it's likely word play. Tracer isn't associated with stars, nor is she small so it doesn't really fit
Maybe they were talking about Starlink: Battle for Atlas. That game came out in 2018 and would probably fit the bill for unexpected and disappointing. :(
 

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If European is apart of the name, then it would be an instant cryptic hint towards her nationality being the UK
Let's be real. I know we all really want Geno. All we really have to go off of is that Geno = Star.

Tracer is from London and her pilot patch features bird wings. If we want to start stretching the meaning of things
Lena Oxton (call sign: "Tracer") was the youngest person ever inducted into Overwatch's experimental flight program. Known for her fearless piloting skills, she was handpicked to test the prototype of a teleporting fighter
She was handpicked for her exceptionally talented flying skills. Or as we like to call it. A Star. It's mentioned a lot in Overwatch's lore how impressed people are of her skills.
 
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Wait a moment, are we indeed discussing the possibility of the Starling leak being related to overwatch coming to the Switch or something?
That's a nono in my nonolist.
And by the way, Overwatch in smash? MOBA rep? Nah, I don't buy it. Not even as a joke. (Nothing against the game tho, OW is pretty fun IMO)
 
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Let's be real. I know we all really want Geno. All we really have to go off of is that Geno = Star.

Tracer is from London and her pilot patch features bird wings. If we want to start stretching the meaning of things

She was handpicked for her exceptionally talented flying skills. Or as we like to call it. A Star.
Something else to keep in mind, too, is that Tracer is literally the face of Overwatch - a lot of promotional material in the beginning, and even still on the storefront for the game, Tracer's right there. You could consider her the Star of the 'show', all things considered.
 

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What was the bird type again? European starling? Tracer is from London. She used to be a pilot (flying like a bird) . Her logo has bird wings on it. Ahahahaha if it actually turns out to be Tracer I won't even be mad.
I'm going to go ahead and squash this now but based on recent comments made the starling isn't a hint about anything Overwatch related. I still don't know what it is but they definitely weren't hinting at that and I can confirm it 100%.
 

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I'm going to go ahead and squash this now but based on recent comments made the starling isn't a hint about anything Overwatch related. I still don't know what it is but they definitely weren't hinting at that and I can confirm it 100%.
Seems kinda weird though to go "I don't know what it is but it's sure not that" without providing some sort of proof or context clues to why it can't be. I know you tend to know a bit more than the rest of us. But it would be nice to know some of those comments.
 
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Seems kinda weird though to go "I don't know what it is but it's sure not that" without providing some sort of proof of context clues to why it can't be. I know you tend to know a bit more than the rest of us. But it would be nice to know some of those comments.
All I can say is that the Source was just as caught off guard by this recent leak and leave it at that.
 

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yeah I don't buy the idea of tracer coming to smash. will overwatch get a port? possibly, in fact I would bet on it after the case coverup but I don't see how at all that would mean smash dlc any more than any other high profile 3rd party game that's come in the past few years like doom, dark souls, skyrim and soon witcher 3. frankly to me it just stands out too much from the rest, joker does too but at least that was explicitly a push from sakurai and I don't see overwatch getting nearly the same level of attention or praise he gave p5.
 
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I'll also say that if Tracer's coming to Smash, it'll be another case of slipping completely under the radar like with Joker. It could happen but it would be something that would blindside basically everyone.
 

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There's not going to be an Overwatch character in Smash. That just straight up is not going to happen. If we got a Blizzard character it definitely would not be from their most recent game that stopped being relevant a year after its release. Not everything on earth that is related to video games means a character is gonna be in Smash...
 
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