Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[The Rhythm Theif]

He shared the picture last Saturday I believe so technically this Tuesday would be the earliest if we were to go off past patterns. Nintendo, however, very rarely makes big announcements on Fridays or the weekends so a literal two week mark is very unlikely. Jon otter posted last Friday so that hypothetically puts an announcement the week of the 29th based on his past patterns. If we were to extend to the full three weeks, it would still fall in line since Evo starts on August 1st, a little less than two weeks from now.

Actually, EVO starts on August 2nd.

 

[ForsakenM]

Actually, EVO starts on August 2nd.

Who is your profile pic FC?

It gives me character inspiration so I'm curious.

Also, here is a nice and cozy rendition of BOTFM!

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Who is your profile pic FC?

That's not an FC. If you've played Rhythm Thief and the Emperor's Treasure (or at least look up a Wikipedia page on it), the person on my avatar is Phantom R. The person who steals forgery art and returns the real things.

 

[AugustusB]

I am back from my mini get away. Much needed and am feeling revitalized! I take it we are in agreement that if nothing happens this week, expect EVO for some answers.

Also how are y'all!?

 

[BoringName]

this ended up going way longer than I thought it would so I thought one of these might be appropriate.

Spoiler

I'd like to start by saying that bowser isn't evil, especially in the rpg's where the various creative teams have softened him up from miyamoto's initial vision and frankly now he's about as much of a threat as dedede. As big a deal in the grand scope of the universe the star spirits are they would likely be able to tell that, as we got to see from the first game, that bowser's behavior stems from some deep and unresolved emotional issues namely self-confidence and a fear of inadequacy, which he tries to hide behind a proud and pompous exterior. they would know that there is good in him and could grow to be a better person, maybe thinking the journey at hand might create the space for that?( though I'd imagine the events of paper mario would have heavily tried their patience on that : ) I mean sure he's always kidnapping peach and generally being a nuisance( though like many a theorist I'm heavily suspicious about the true nature of the relationship the three share, especially since he's been invited to literally all their leisure events) but like the earlier kirby example compared to the other villains he's almost a joke. I mean look at the shroobs, who seized control of the entire kingdom, turning toad town to rubble and killing off all dissenters, keeping the rest just barely alive hooked up to use as living batteries. even the smithy gang were committing far more egregious acts throughout the land such as the attack on rose town( which would have left them permanently frozen for all time had the gang not stopped bowyer) and literally destroying the balance of the universe by shattering star road which if you stop to think about all the deeper implications about how a world where all hopes and desires would go unrealized would be catastrophic. Maybe I'm just looking too deep into him the same with you and geno but the big goof deserves better than what he gets in the mainline series when we know would could be.

anyway I think the main difference here is that I don't see a lot of the points you bring up as actual conflicts with my original post though maybe I should reiterate a bit. the ending that your brought up is a good example, he clearly has become quite fond of his new friends after the grand adventure they shared but puts his personal desires aside to return to star road and deal with whatever cosmic threats need dealing with now as a devoted envoy of order and justice, and with entire universe to tend to I imagine him and his cohorts are kept quite busy. obviously we don't know what happened afterwards and the sky's the limit on the possibility. Personally I think he has made an endeavor to keep an eye on the mushroom kingdom,maybe in ways we never noticed. I certainly feel that future star sprite characters were spiritual successors and given that they went out of there way to get a cameo of the doll I imagine the original developers now at alphadream are quite attached to starboy and probably feel the same. Just doing what he's told is a bit of an oversimplification to me and sort of trivializes what all characters like him stand for."He listens to his higher authority, he does his job, he leaves, he serves them without a second thought, and that's that" is about as far from what I believe his true nature is as you can get. as a genuine lawful good he has dedicated his life to serving the needs of those around him. not because he has too, or out of some respect or loyalty to some ancient tradition or fate but because he has chosen it for himself. always looking to see what he can do for others first, to defend and serve those who cannot themselves. but sometimes doing the right thing is hard, requiring us to make decisions that will lead to potential hardship or suffering. But no matter what the odds geno is willing weather any storm, suffer through any challenges he might face, and make any sacrifice required of him to achieve his goal, to maintain balance in the universe and stop those would disrupt it. doing this demonstrates great humility, bravery, strength, and a strong resolve, all the traits needed of a true hero and why I deeply respect our star friend.

If your looking for a twist than how about this: did it ever strike you as odd how the star sprites, knowing full well the total capability of the smithy gang was, would think sending out a single lone star on a mission to save the world all by himself? we can clearly tell from our first encounter that geno's quest would have met a gruesome end. Even if he made it past bowyer, alone he simply doesn't stack up well against the gang as a whole and would have fallen to one of them eventually. It's my headcannon that he was on fact NOT sent by the star spirits to clean up smithy's mess but rather chose this mission himself. Well aware of smithy's power I imagine that none of the other stars would dare to stand against him and the cycle of traveling between worlds to conquer and turn into his personal production factories devoid of life or hope has been a major concern for quite some time. After the star road of mario's world had fallen ♡♪!? had finally had enough and when called to action only he offered to fight against smithy's regime. the others who had lost hope in the wake of the tragedy likely thought him mad, and a fool for recklessly throwing his life away. But he ignored their pleas and disappointed in his peers sought to go alone. Concerned but not in a position to argue the star spirits agreed to let geno go on his quest or even better maybe they didn't and he simply stole away when the opportunity arrived, believing this was what needed to be done to make good on his loyalty to the cosmic order and the stars role as it's caretakers. That said he's not a fool, he is well aware of the dangers that await him and the likelihood he would fail and meet and unfortunate end. But since theirs a job to be done and no one else to do it he steels his resolve and presses onward anyway. It was always fascinating that in all instances after this the sprites are perfectly transparent on their role in the narrative, citing this or that as why they happened to be there and assisting the player. But geno for some reason stayed relatively quiet on the matter, only after it first comes up he pauses, and says that he "serves a higher authority" to me he's coyly alluding in a way only he would understand that again, no matter the cost he must do what is right. and that the authority is not the star sprites but justice itself.

to quickly answer the last bit since this is already quite the essay when I said he would go through with something even if he didn't want to or believe in it I merely mean that he is willing to go to any length or make any sacrifice to stay true to his path he's set for himself. For example if a future story had bowser and the mushroom gang do something that would jeopardize star road then despite his love for his friends he would hold to his convictions even if it meant standing against those whom he would hold dear, no matter how painful it would be to do so and despite the likelihood he would not win

So hopefully I've gotten across why I don't think my previous comments imply that he would have to lack depth but quite the opposite. I think he is immaculate character and hero and is a fantastic twist on the stereotypical powerful stoic and serious archetype of jrpg characters by quickly revealing a rather warm and fun personality. that said the only rule I would have about extrapolating on his character would be that he would never ever place his personal feelings or desires above the greater good and more specifically his duty as a defender of star road and the balance of the world that it maintains.
I'm sorry that this sort of spilled out so far and kudos if you made it this far but you diiid say you wanted this so : )

On a separate note while were still on the idea of smrpg stuff specifically there was something thats been on my mind for a while now. in gaz's house we have a mario doll, a peach doll, a bowser doll, and a geno doll. what do those all have in common? they're all famous celebrities in-universe, all except for one. does this mean that geno is some tangential silly action figure, or like the other three is there a in fact a real person named geno wandering the planet in a dashing cap and sleek cape never to be seen in the adventure we had? If this isn't just me being dumb and overlooking some npc dialogue that brings this up than this would be one of the big things in a SMRPG sequel I would want to see resolved, after getting to know ♡♪!? who sort of pretended to be geno to fit in with the world I would love to meet the man who inspired it all. Especially since I'm of the unpopular opinion that ♡♪!?'s involvement in the story should be kept to a minimum. I don't mind him showing up and taking a guide role similar to starlow so we could keep his banter with the party but for him to come back to save the world again, by possessing a geno doll again, would feel kinda contrived and forced in a FF4 the after years sort of way were the decision was made for fanservise to the first game instead of being it's own thing. Having a real geno take the dolls place in the active party would be a great way to keep the gameplay somewhat intact while not sacrificing the integrity of the story and even making more room to explore the cast. I'd imagine ♡♪!? and geno would make for some interesting dialoge given what happened in the first game.

Okay, I'm up and rarin' to go! Thanks for all of this mental exercise, by the way. Again, this is my jam.

Spoiler: a whole bunch of drivel

First off, Bowser. Yeah, I used the wrong terminology last night in terms of him being 'evil'. He's not 'evil', moreso just antagonistic and brutal. Evil would more equate to the likes of the Shadow Queen, the Dark Star, Smithy, etc. Bowser has been a notable threat multiple times in the past, though, and isn't what I'd call 'almost a joke'. I think that'd be a bit of an insult to his impact. He's the king of all of the koopas and has reason to be as such beyond birthright. He's incredibly powerful and has a good handle on dominion. His kingdom quakes before him. He's taken the Star Rod from the Star Spirits, practically gods in their own rights, and he's almost meddled directly with space-time in both Galaxy games. Both of those could have had catastrophic outcomes beyond anything Bowser could have intended. Whether or not he means to, the potential for being a gigantic threat, more than one could imagine, is definitely there. When it comes to that, I'd see the Star Spirits as being more leery of him, mostly because of the risk of something going terribly wrong. Watering down Bowser's potential as 'almost a joke' isn't fair to him, but on the other hand, it also isn't fair to refer to him as a big baddie without reason beyond 'he's bad and evil because he can be'. That'd be a ridiculous stretch that doesn't do the character justice.

Anyhow, this isn't about Bowser, but our star boy.

I'd like to bring up the point that it seems we both agree on: Geno acts as he does not because of tradition or fate, but because his sense of justice aligns with protecting everyone's wishes. It's less his higher authority as a result, at least to me. He will protect the wishes of this planet and any others no matter what, even if the Star Spirits refuse to give him their blessing. If they don't see eye-to-eye on something that could hugely shape the course of destiny via wishes, that could be a massive kerfuffle. Geno's duty is not one to take lightly, and he is well-aware of this. I could easily see it resulting in a divide, and given Geno's independent nature and notably courage, if the Star Spirits take a course that is more corrupt or otherwise short-sighted, I can see him rebelling. In the end, he wants to set things right, no matter the cost, yeah? Even if it means his elders finding reason to be disappointed in him, as long as his goals are achieved and everyone's wishes are safe, then that's all that matters. Yes, even though I'd be willing to say that he's 'friends' with Bowser, if he does something against his idea of righteousness, Geno will fight against him.

Because of all of this, Geno just comes across to me as almost a vigilante-type. Justice is obviously very important to this character. Star Road, everyone's wishes, are his world. If he feels what he's doing is right or otherwise acceptable, I can only imagine he'd be difficult to assuage in terms of a different direction. With such heroism comes an extent of stubbornness, and I think that'd be a fascinating character foil. As of now, Geno doesn't have much of one, and a character with balanced pros and cons is a healthy one in fiction. Stubbornness and a desire to have personal fulfillment via his friends, alongside his broader stroke of fulfillment world- and even universe-wide, would make things very interesting to me. Striking a balance between the two, questioning what he's doing and if it's the right choice, potentially defying his superiors, figuring out everything he wants to do as his own person, all while still devoted to Star Road and doing whatever he can to protect it... is what I see in Geno. It's a whole world of grey area in a mind that's more black and white, and that exploration into his character is something I'd love to write out someday. It'd probably be a lot better written down in proper storytelling form than the way I'm just flatly explaining things, haha.

I have to say, though, that I do apologize for my remarks about an interpretation like that coming across as more one-dimensional. You're right that it doesn't have to be so trivialized. The way you portray it sounds much more multi-faceted, and it definitely interested me. Thanks so much for having this chat with me! It's nice to bounce this kind of stuff off of someone, even if on some points, we may just have to agree to disagree — and that's okay. Like I said, that's the beauty of creativity.

To wrap this post up, let me just embed this. I think this embodies how I view Geno pretty well rofl. (Also, it's Nathalie's Geno, so it's extra blessed.)

Snufkin and Geno both give me extremely strong independent-anarchist vibes, but geno is more business about it pic.twitter.com/QWSteAhEMu

— Nathalie F (@Loopyyylupe) May 14, 2019

By the way, yeah, who the heck is the real Geno, the one the doll is meant to represent and NOT the actual star? Is his name even Geno, or is it just the name Gaz came up for that doll in particular? Like, whaddap widdat? I agree, I think that'd be SUPER interesting to see in a hypothetical sequel!

I know this is is a little late but these headcanons remind me of Captain America’s arc in the MCU, and the more I think about it the more I think that that type of arc really suits geno

 

[link2702]

This is probably a just a coincidence and not really related to geno too much, but with hero still not out, i wonder if maybe Nintendo is deliberately waiting until the final splatfest is over before he gets released? You know, just so they don’t diminish the event for splatoon.

If so perhaps he’s gonna be out by either today, tomorrow, or the very least by Wednesday.

 

[Ovaltine]

This is probably a just a coincidence and not really related to geno too much, but with hero still not out, i wonder if maybe Nintendo is deliberately waiting until the final splatfest is over before he gets released? You know, just so they don’t diminish the event for splatoon.

If so perhaps he’s gonna be out by either today, tomorrow, or the very least by Wednesday.

I doubt they'd do a reveal today (on a Sunday in the US), but I'd be willing to think that tomorrow or Tuesday is plausible.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

This is probably a just a coincidence and not really related to geno too much, but with hero still not out, i wonder if maybe Nintendo is deliberately waiting until the final splatfest is over before he gets released? You know, just so they don’t diminish the event for splatoon.

If so perhaps he’s gonna be out by either today, tomorrow, or the very least by Wednesday.

I don't think Splatoon 2 was ever going to affect much of anything with regards to Nintendo's release schedule. I mean, they're dropping Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 and Fire Emblem Three Houses back to back one week after another and MUA3 released smack in the middle of the this Splatfest anyway (which is a much bigger deal for Nintendo than an in game event for Splatoon 2). Not to mention they just revealed a whole bunch of information about Switch stuff last week. I don't think Nintendo really cares if they "diminish an event" or not right now haha. Especially with something as mostly inconsequential as a Splatfest even if it is the last one.

 

[Fatmanonice]

This is probably a just a coincidence and not really related to geno too much, but with hero still not out, i wonder if maybe Nintendo is deliberately waiting until the final splatfest is over before he gets released? You know, just so they don’t diminish the event for splatoon.

If so perhaps he’s gonna be out by either today, tomorrow, or the very least by Wednesday.

That's what we're wondering, along with whether or not cares about having Hero drop the same week as Fire Emblem: Three Houses. I know Fire Emblem is a lot easier to sell now than it has been in the past but they've also been hyping up the game for over a year and this is the first mainline Fire Emblem game in almost 12 years that's being released on a home console.

 

[wynn728]

This is probably a just a coincidence and not really related to geno too much, but with hero still not out, i wonder if maybe Nintendo is deliberately waiting until the final splatfest is over before he gets released? You know, just so they don’t diminish the event for splatoon.

If so perhaps he’s gonna be out by either today, tomorrow, or the very least by Wednesday.

They're not going to release The Hero in the same week as Three Houses. Also we got to remember that there's a good reason why The Hero is taking so long, they have to make 4 unique models that work for each animation. Also maybe we're getting another mode beside Home-Run Contest. Plus it would be perfect synergy to reveal something at EVO and I doubt they're going to show the fourth Fighter already, so why not make that reveal be The Hero.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

That's what we're wondering, along with whether or not cares about having Hero drop the same week as Fire Emblem: Three Thrones. I know Fire Emblem is a lot easier to sell now than it has been in the past but they've also been hyping up the game for over a year and this is the first mainline Fire Emblem game in almost 12 years that's being released on a home console.

It's Fire Emblem Three Houses, not Thrones. I usually don't like correcting people on stuff like that, but I've noticed you calling it Thrones every time you've brought it up and I couldn't not say anything haha.

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

They have had big releases in the same week as other games. Smash DLC isn't going to effect the sales of Three Houses. I don't think that's good logic. They have different demographics they appeal to anyway. One is a game, one is DLC. The only thing I honestly agree with is not having Smash DLC during Splatfest, because it's honestly important to have more people online in Splatoon 2 duing that time than Smash. They can 100% release Hero during the same week as Three Houses and it wouldn't effect anything.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

They have had big releases in the same week as other games. Smash DLC isn't going to effect the sales of Three Houses. I don't think that's good logic. They have different demographics they appeal to anyway. One is a game, one is DLC. The only thing I honestly agree with is not having Smash DLC during Splatfest, because it's honestly important to have more people online in Splatoon 2 duing that time than Smash. They can 100% release Hero during the same week as Three Houses and it wouldn't effect anything.

What he or she said.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's Fire Emblem Three Houses, not Thrones. I usually don't like correcting people on stuff like that, but I've noticed you calling it Thrones every time you've brought it up and I couldn't not say anything haha.

Speaking of pet peeves, it's Hero, not The Hero, as well. There was never a The(nor was it ever capitalized specifically in the same way for the trailer. Though the trailers were poorly put together as well. They misnamed Banjo & Kazooie for the splash screen. Instead of saying the character, they said the series was Raring To Go). But eh, splash screeens and trailers muck stuff up. It was funny that Dark Pit never got one proper, and thus, also didn't get labeled a Newcomer on Smash 4's website. Former makes sense, if Dark Pit was turned into a playable character after Palutena's trailer was made. Latter is just completely forgetting how your website is designed. :/

 

[Icewolff92]

They have had big releases in the same week as other games. Smash DLC isn't going to effect the sales of Three Houses. I don't think that's good logic. They have different demographics they appeal to anyway. One is a game, one is DLC. The only thing I honestly agree with is not having Smash DLC during Splatfest, because it's honestly important to have more people online in Splatoon 2 duing that time than Smash. They can 100% release Hero during the same week as Three Houses and it wouldn't effect anything.

Agreed 3000%

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm not sure how the technology works but what about the E-shop servers? I know Joker crashed the Smash servers for awhile but did it effect the E-shop as well?

 

[Captain Fun]

I'm not sure how the technology works but what about the E-shop servers? I know Joker crashed the Smash servers for awhile but did it effect the E-shop as well?

Pretty sure Joker didn’t actually crash anything and that the trouble was that they launched Joker in between maintenance periods.

Edit: apparently the Eshop itself experienced errors that night right after maintenance was supposed to have concluded. Not sure now but I remember people saying that it was still ongoing after he had launched. Either way, hopefully it doesn’t happen again and Nintendo is prepared for it.

 

[T2by4]

I'm not sure how the technology works but what about the E-shop servers? I know Joker crashed the Smash servers for awhile but did it effect the E-shop as well?

God bless anyone working on the servers when banjo comes out. That's gonna be a nightmare.

 

[ShotoStar 2]

God bless anyone working on the servers when banjo comes out. That's gonna be a nightmare.

Or when Geno comes out that's gonna be an absolute nightmare upon nightmares.

 

[T2by4]

Or when Geno comes out that's gonna be an absolute nightmare upon nightmares.

You already know. Banjo is huge in american he's alright in japan. Geno is popular in both america and japan. It'll be a rough day/night for them, that's for sure.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don't think Splatoon 2 was ever going to affect much of anything with regards to Nintendo's release schedule. I mean, they're dropping Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 and Fire Emblem Three Houses back to back one week after another and MUA3 released smack in the middle of the this Splatfest anyway (which is a much bigger deal for Nintendo than an in game event for Splatoon 2). Not to mention they just revealed a whole bunch of information about Switch stuff last week. I don't think Nintendo really cares if they "diminish an event" or not right now haha. Especially with something as mostly inconsequential as a Splatfest even if it is the last one.

Yeah, although some would argue that MUA3 "doesn't count" because "it's not a Nintendo property".

The only things that'd get in the way at this point are Nintendo's habit of not announcing major stuff at the end of the month, and whether DQ11 should be marketed as close to its release as possible.

They have had big releases in the same week as other games. Smash DLC isn't going to effect the sales of Three Houses. I don't think that's good logic. They have different demographics they appeal to anyway. One is a game, one is DLC. The only thing I honestly agree with is not having Smash DLC during Splatfest, because it's honestly important to have more people online in Splatoon 2 duing that time than Smash. They can 100% release Hero during the same week as Three Houses and it wouldn't effect anything.

Also a valid point. Also, did anyone here expect Pearl to win? I sure didn't.

Latter is just completely forgetting how your website is designed. :/

The website staff for Ultimate in a nutshell. These interns are flat-out the worst part of the game and its marketing this time.

They even translated only ONE of the History posts, and even then it was only for Fox, of all people.

Or when Geno comes out that's gonna be an absolute nightmare upon nightmares.

Maybe that's the real reason why he's being held back.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

It would honestly be better if they dropped characters directly after their shadow presentations rather than announce a time for release the following day. When you announce something like that dropping with no ability to preload the update/content, you're practically begging for an unreasonable traffic flow on your already poorly made servers (Based upon my online experience with Nintendo, I think they run their servers on a couple of PS3s taped together). At least with the full shadow drop people will be downloading as they hear about it and the flow will be a little more sporadic and less taxing on the network.

Yeah, although some would argue that MUA3 "doesn't count" because "it's not a Nintendo property".

Well, MUA3 is published and funded by Nintendo and a Nintendo Switch exclusive that was big enough to reveal at the TGAs with Joker for Smash... so I'm not sure anyone can really make that argument haha. It's as Nintendo as they come honestly.

 

[TheCJBrine]

They even translated only ONE of the History posts, and even then it was only for Fox, of all people.

No others, Fox only

 

[xNovaNebulax]

That's not an FC. If you've played Rhythm Thief and the Emperor's Treasure (or at least look up a Wikipedia page on it), the person on my avatar is Phantom R. The person who steals forgery art and returns the real things.

I know this sounds kind of weird, but I would LOVE to see Phantom R in smash! I know its a long shot but I think he would fit incredibly well!

 

[wynn728]

They have had big releases in the same week as other games. Smash DLC isn't going to effect the sales of Three Houses. I don't think that's good logic. They have different demographics they appeal to anyway. One is a game, one is DLC. The only thing I honestly agree with is not having Smash DLC during Splatfest, because it's honestly important to have more people online in Splatoon 2 duing that time than Smash. They can 100% release Hero during the same week as Three Houses and it wouldn't effect anything.

I disagree. Dragon Quest is extremely big in Japan, so potential when The Hero gets release many Japanese audiences will only focus on playing Smash Bros and ignore Fire Emblem Three Houses on release date and get it later. Plus Nintendo not going to want to overshadow Fire Emblem is Smash Bros announcement.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Again, are people going to honestly play as Hero for 40 hours in a row? I think not.

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

Fire Emblem Three Houses comes out on July 26th, a Saturday (Or Friday). If Hero releases before then, that's not even a problem if it was in the first place. They'd still be advertising the hell out of Three Houses, sales aren't gonna go down unless the whole population of Japan decides to play Hero for the rest of their lives 24/7. It's a non-existent issue, Hero is not going to overshadow a full-on game, it's a DLC character, not a Dragon Quest game.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest here, the idea that a single DLC character + a new mode could overshadow a new full-blown game is a ridiculous claim. That's like saying the Breath of the Wild DLC overshadowed Super Mario Odyssey, despite it being a full blown game people had been anticipating for a while....oh wait-

 

[TheCJBrine]

I mean, I'm sure some of the big DQ fans could also afford Three Houses if they care about it.

 

[Icewolff92]

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest here, the idea that a single DLC character + a new mode could overshadow a new full-blown game is a ridiculous claim. That's like saying the Breath of the Wild DLC overshadowed Super Mario Odyssey, despite it being a full blown game people had been anticipating for a while....oh wait-

Still doesn¨t change the fact that Hero isn¨t exactly as expensive nor as timeconsuming as the Breath of the Wild DLC,

 

[Fatmanonice]

I don't think it would have anything to do with cost, I think it would have to do with respect towards the developers. Three Houses was technically first announced two and half years ago and, for reasons already stated, it's kind of a big deal to that development team. In my view, a major DLC drop that's going to do well no matter when it's released a day or two before a game release like that seems kind of rude but that's just my view on it.

 

[xpnc]

With how heavily involved Nintendo seems to be with the Switch port of DQXI they are clearly banking on this being a major title. If they were worried about competition stifling sales, why would they release their Zelda game within 7 days of it? The games are going to have similar audiences.

This is why I don't buy Hero somehow conflicting with Fire Emblem's release.

 

[Vector Victor]

Honestly, I'm becoming soured on Fire Emblem. Most smash talk is that a 3 House character is expected for DLC. This expected is a combination of some people being pessimistic after the whole Corrin thing and some fans demanding a rep, which comes off as a bit spoiled (not the fans who would like a character, but those fans who are going 'Look, Sakurai, I better be seeing a 3 House character in Smash. Hop to it.' while they forget the already in 7 characters)

I'm not going to lie: I'm going to be very annoyed if they repeat 4's DLC where an FE character is added when their game has barely been out and ends up being the only 1st party DLC. And some people have gone on that 3 Houses will be game of the year so a new character makes sense. Well, Breath of the Wild was game of the year so where's its new Smash character? Oh right, Zelda one-offs don't count but FE's do for some reason.

I understand Smash is mostly Advertising:The Game, but FE seems to use it the most. Roy was added for his unreleased game, Corrin's only came out in Japan at the time, and IF 3 Houses is added, their game just came out. Either way, each of those characters would have to be worked on before any of their home games came out. Not even Pokemon does that.

And no, comparisons to Pokemon having a reserved slot don't count in FE's defense. Pokemon is a cultural, worldwide, iconic, literal money making franchise. To try and compare FE, a generally popular series, to Pokemon is downright laughable. Even with reserved slots, the gap from a Pokemon game developing to its inclusion in Smash is large enough that the Pokemon character gets a chance to build a fanbase playable in its home series before its Smash reveal.

 

[BoringName]

You already know. Banjo is huge in american he's alright in japan. Geno is popular in both america and japan. It'll be a rough day/night for them, that's for sure.

I think we should all just pray that whenever we get Hero or any other character, that Nintendo will prepare a little more knowing what happened with joker

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Honestly, I'm becoming soured on Fire Emblem. Most smash talk is that a 3 House character is expected for DLC. This expected is a combination of some people being pessimistic after the whole Corrin thing and some fans demanding a rep, which comes off as a bit spoiled (not the fans who would like a character, but those fans who are going 'Look, Sakurai, I better be seeing a 3 House character in Smash. Hop to it.' while they forget the already in 7 characters)

I'm not going to lie: I'm going to be very annoyed if they repeat 4's DLC where an FE character is added when their game has barely been out and ends up being the only 1st party DLC. And some people have gone on that 3 Houses will be game of the year so a new character makes sense. Well, Breath of the Wild was game of the year so where's its new Smash character? Oh right, Zelda one-offs don't count but FE's do for some reason.

I understand Smash is mostly Advertising:The Game, but FE seems to use it the most. Roy was added for his unreleased game, Corrin's only came out in Japan at the time, and IF 3 Houses is added, their game just came out. Either way, each of those characters would have to be worked on before any of their home games came out. Not even Pokemon does that.

And no, comparisons to Pokemon having a reserved slot don't count in FE's defense. Pokemon is a cultural, worldwide, iconic, literal money making franchise. To try and compare FE, a generally popular series, to Pokemon is downright laughable. Even with reserved slots, the gap from a Pokemon game developing to its inclusion in Smash is large enough that the Pokemon character gets a chance to build a fanbase playable in its home series before its Smash reveal.

You make a valid point but here's my counteropinion. I think Pokemon wouldn't be a big problem if they had more diversity. I know they have unique designs and attacks but I wish over half of them weren't Gen One Pokemon. Lucario, Pichu, Greninja, and Incineroar are the only non Gen Ones and I don't like that fact.
Same with Fire Emblem. At least include more classes and spice it up!
That's how I am with Kirby representation. Sakurai only represents the OG series he worked on. He's made it clear that he dislikes the modern Kirby series. Including assist trophies, fighters, stages, and bosses, Sakurai represents only 6 unique titles. Ported over music and pngs don't count because those have no heart put into them. Considering how Star Allies managed to give 10+ characters who were staples to the series the playable treatment, it makes no sense to me why characters like Magolor and Bandana Dee, both of which who are heavily requested in Japan, aren't in this title.
Heck, Mario is like that too! All the characters we have are platformer original characters! Why don't we have RPG representation?! No Paper Mario, no Fawful, no Geno! These three are the Triforce of Mario RPGs. Geno is a character from the og Mario RPG. Fawful is the most iconic original character from the Mario and Luigi series, which is still well respected today. Paper Mario represents a once solid Mario RPG series. Smash's representation of series is very flawed to certain degrees. I love all the characters we have but there is little diversity from the times the individual series actually stepped out their comfort zone... :/

Sorry if this offended you. :'(

[Edit] Same applies to Legend of Zelda. That's why I hated the fact that Skull Kid wasn't playable. We literally have the three main characters from every game and two clones of the main character. Sheik is the only end splitter and even then, she's still tied down by her history as part of Zelda's old movesets. Why not just throw in Phantom Ganon while you're at it, Nintendo?!

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not sure how the technology works but what about the E-shop servers? I know Joker crashed the Smash servers for awhile but did it effect the E-shop as well?

Some dumb employee decided to launch Joker in between maintenance periods.

 

[MrGameguycolor]

It was funny that Dark Pit never got one proper, and thus, also didn't get labeled a Newcomer on Smash 4's website. Former makes sense, if Dark Pit was turned into a playable character after Palutena's trailer was made. Latter is just completely forgetting how your website is designed. :/

To be fair, was never officially announced as a brawl cut returning veteran in any trailers or directs even when & were. Heck, they still released trailer after the 3DS one was out.

at least appeared at the end of the trailer, so it was hinted at.
was just... there, again.




Character reveals are odd.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Anybody else think Fawful would be a great Smash fighter? I hope that if we get a first party pass, they'll include him since his whacky nature and design adds a bit more flavor to Smash...


get it? Because beans?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Honestly, I'm becoming soured on Fire Emblem. Most smash talk is that a 3 House character is expected for DLC. This expected is a combination of some people being pessimistic after the whole Corrin thing and some fans demanding a rep, which comes off as a bit spoiled (not the fans who would like a character, but those fans who are going 'Look, Sakurai, I better be seeing a 3 House character in Smash. Hop to it.' while they forget the already in 7 characters)

I'm not going to lie: I'm going to be very annoyed if they repeat 4's DLC where an FE character is added when their game has barely been out and ends up being the only 1st party DLC. And some people have gone on that 3 Houses will be game of the year so a new character makes sense. Well, Breath of the Wild was game of the year so where's its new Smash character? Oh right, Zelda one-offs don't count but FE's do for some reason.

I understand Smash is mostly Advertising:The Game, but FE seems to use it the most. Roy was added for his unreleased game, Corrin's only came out in Japan at the time, and IF 3 Houses is added, their game just came out. Either way, each of those characters would have to be worked on before any of their home games came out. Not even Pokemon does that.

And no, comparisons to Pokemon having a reserved slot don't count in FE's defense. Pokemon is a cultural, worldwide, iconic, literal money making franchise. To try and compare FE, a generally popular series, to Pokemon is downright laughable. Even with reserved slots, the gap from a Pokemon game developing to its inclusion in Smash is large enough that the Pokemon character gets a chance to build a fanbase playable in its home series before its Smash reveal.

Is there an actual group of people insisting on a Three Houses character? I’ve mostly just seen some people supporting Byleth/Edelgard and some people just cool with the idea of more Fire Emblem. I mean first party character wise, sure Three Houses and Pokemon dominate since all the other big options are Assists, Costumes, or Spirits, so it practically has to be a brand new character if you consider those all deconfirms for the Fighter’s Pass. But most of what I’ve seen has been incredibly focused on a variety of third party choices.

It’s also worth noting that we would have dropped Roy ages ago had the fan base not been up in arms about him. And Pokemon have been developed prior to their popularity being established as well. Greninja they just extremely lucky on as he was in development before XY released and while we don’t know the specifics of Incineroar, it’s safe to say he was worked on before Sun/Moon released and husband popularity was determined.

 

[Deleted member]

Anybody else think Fawful would be a great Smash fighter? I hope that if we get a first party pass, they'll include him since his whacky nature and design adds a bit more flavor to Smash...


get it? Because beans?

I don't particularly care for Fawful, but he'd be neat.