Official General Post-DLC Discussion [Closed]

[Deleted member]

Here are some mii costumes I'd like to see.

• Wolf
• Issac
• King K. Rool
• Shovel Knight
• Master Chief
• Shantae
• Snake

Um King K. Rool is already a Mii costume. Or are you just trolling?

 

[Miikon]

I would rather have Cloud be mute/grunts-only than have a Japanese voice in his western release.

 

[Deleted member]

GameXPlain thinks they might reuse old clips we'll see.

 

[Alice Margatroid]

I'm going to change the paste here...Instead of talking about characters, I'm gonna guess when the Special Broadcast will air.

Looking back at June, that smash presentation was announced about a week before it aired, specifically on a Monday on June 8th and aired on Sunday June 14th.

If I were to go by that I would guess we will have our special broadcast announced on Monday November 30th, for it air on Sunday December 6th as it would also be the One Year Anniversary of Smash Wii U's release in Japan. It's not going to be a direct so I'm betting that Sakurai won't designate himself to do it on a week day, just my thought though...

Edit: Also starting from April we have been DLC on a consistent 1.5 to 2 month basis so I personally wouldn't think Sakurai wouldn't present his broadcast too deep in December, even with the ballot just ending on the 3rd of October.

I agree.

I have no factual basis for this claim, but I feel like we'd be seeing the presentation sometime during the first week of December, I don't see why they would wait.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Here are some mii costumes I'd like to see.

• Wolf
• Issac
• King K. Rool
• Shovel Knight
• Master Chief
• Shantae
• Snake

BOY, have I got news for YOU

 

[SwordOfSeals]

I agree.

I have no factual basis for this claim, but I feel like we'd be seeing the presentation sometime during the first week of December, I don't see why they would wait.

Yeah that's a debate I'm having with myself, I mean Sakurai said we were going to get tourney mode in August and we got in the last day of July Lol.

 

[Halifax?]

Congratulations on the 2,000th post for this thread being pure blasphemy.

 

[Alice Margatroid]

Also, sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but why are people saying Wolf returning wouldn't generate hype? I mean he has such a huge fanbase pushing for him, I would think they could generate enough hype on their own.

I will admit that I agree on the point that releasing him on his own might be underwhelming (not to me personally but I could see how it would be for others), but to say that he doesn't deserve to come back at all because "people want newcomers" or "veterans aren't exciting" doesn't sit right with me.

 

[pupNapoleon]

As someone who has never played a Final Fantasy game in their life... I think Cloud was the perfect inclusion. There are many people who are voicing their distain for Smash because of his inclusion, and obviously providing other of their personal favourites who should have been included instead. But when I think Final Fantasy I think Cloud. Take from that what you will. I'm not saying he has a better move set then (insert character I don't know), but he is definitely the face of the franchise to an outsider looking in. Much like how Marth is the poster child for Fire Emblem.

But I think Cloud's inclusion marks the dawn of something much more. I absolutely think the team has been working on characters since the release of Lucas/Roy/Ryu, and Cloud was definitely one. It has been 6 months since the last DLC characters were released... and that's plenty of time to be working on at least a few. I expect quite a few more with the December special broadcast. And some more huge announcements.

People who think there will be a single ballot winner are fools. I'm sorry but it's not a competition, it's a gauge to see what characters they should include in the game. DLC is 100% for the money, so why not put time and effort into characters people really want.

Smash 4 is the Wii U's golden ticket. This console will live for however long Smash goes for. Nintendo would be stupid to stop the hype now, and they would be absolutely insane for not taking advantage of this unique opportunity. Smash Bros. is now the most upper echelon fighting game there is. It's not just Nintendo characters, it's iconic characters.

I'm expecting something huge this December, and I don't think I'm getting consumed by the hype. So here is what I expect from Nintendo and the future of Smash Bros.:

• New Characters
• Veteran Characters
• Inkling character + Splatoon stage (**** your opinion on Splatoon, it doesn't matter that you don't want the Inklings as characters. It's one of Nintendo's hottest games and they would be insane not to take advantage of it)
  
• New stages
• Retro stages
• New music
• Mii costumes

I'm not going to make assumptions of what characters and stages will come back because that always creates conflict. But we'll be getting more. And I don't care if you personally hate Mii costumes, they are great for the game and a whole lot of fun. Hopefully we see some new music tracks, a lot of good songs left out from Brawl, and a lot of good songs not included at all.

December will be huge. There is absolutely no reason to hold a direct without some big news coming. We might expect them to actually announce the ballot winner... but you can be sure as **** that winner won't be the only ballot character coming to Smash.

On an unrelated note, I definitely think there will be a Smash 4 re-release for the NX with all the released DLC. Won't expect an actual new Smash game for a few years, but I sure as **** think they're going to milk this game to make sure the NX hits the ground running.

Anytime I see someone else who is expecting a large amount of content, I want to cry. It seems no one wants to discuss this notion. I made a youtube video about it in my signature, and have truly tried to propagate the notion.

Rayman could be a good newcomer for Smash 5 along with Heihachi and Bomberman.

My prediction is that it's going to be Banjo revealed as the last 3rd party newcomer because I don't see anyone else that can come close to the hype of Cloud Strife.

You don't see any character in gaming that is as popular as Cloud?
Or you don't see anyone more hype-worthy having a chance at getting in? If the latter is true, did you believe Cloud had a chance?

I'm curious as to what your thought pattern was here- because I dont know anyone who thinks Cloud is without question the one-gaming character legend of all time, but your point doesn't make sense if that is not the case, unless you predicted Cloud.

I don't really see why people say we'll only be getting 3rd party characters because no one else will be as hype as .
We got in Brawl, the internet exploded that day. Did that stop us from getting anymore characters in the future, specifically Nintendo characters? We still got , and . They weren't as hype as Sonic but we still got them. Not to mention we got future newcomers for Smash 4.

Many characters could be more hype. Though thats pretty subjective anyway.
I also, as I said in the beginning of this post, think that the reveal will come in the AMOUNT of content that we will be getting. All quality, but being much revered for sheer amount that we will get.

 

[RouffWestie]

Anyone think a Tetris character is actually more likely now? It's the most iconic puzzle game worldwide and would be a really unexpected addition.
It's the only other franchise I can think of that's really as important to gaming history as the other 3rd parties we already have.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

The thing is that there's nothing necessarily wrong with Shovel Knight. He's got some pretty decent stuff to work with as far as moveset and playstyle. The problem is that he really doesn't stack up with any of the other 3rd party characters. He'd be a pretty underwhelming character compared to the others we have. ESPECIALLY coming after Cloud.

That's mainly why I think Snake is next in line. He's another hall of fame type character/series. You could have Sonic the Hedgehog, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Pokemon and Mario in the same game, let alone the same MATCH. Unbelievable.

If you told somebody this could happen 5 years ago, they'd laugh you out of the site/room/wherever you were at the time. Now? It can happen. It's unbelievable even without Snake.

Not to mention of all of these are the top selling gaming franchises of all time. Just look at any gaming site that has a top ten or twenty of best franchises most of these names would be on there, why would you not have all of these top selling franchises get represented in one place.

 

[Gimmick]

Eh... Honestly? I feel like Cloud would only be iconic to hardcore gamers. I'm not gonna lie, when the trailer first came up I was like, "Who the hell are you?" Then it showed his name and I was like, "Oh yeah... The guy from Final Fantasy." Then I began showing the trailer to friends and family, and only one of them knew who Cloud was. It was my best friend, and she was like, "WTF? Isn't Lightning suppose to be in the PlayStation Smash thing?" Alright, so she didn't really know who Cloud was and I didn't show her the beginning, but she did know that Cloud was from Final Fantasy 7.

 

[Ura]

I'm curious as to what your thought pattern was here- because I dont know anyone who thinks Cloud is without question the one-gaming character legend of all time, but your point doesn't make sense if that is not the case, unless you predicted Cloud

I was saying that the next character will have to really match Cloud in the hype department given that we're potentially nearing the end of DLC.

Whoa,wait a second here. I'm not defending goku here when it comes to his inclusion for smash but when it comes to icon status

I don't see how goku isn't an icon for his media like cloud especially since I think Goku is more recognizable when someone thinks of anime/manga than cloud is for JRPGs. He's also been around much longer.

I never suggested that at all. Of course Goku's an iconic anime character (I didn't put the word there because it's not like I had to put it there). Bottom line is Goku isn't a video game character and Cloud is thus distinguishing the 2 very well.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Anyone think a Tetris character is actually more likely now? It's the most iconic puzzle game worldwide and would be a really unexpected addition.
It's the only other franchise I can think of that's really as important to gaming history as the other 3rd parties we already have.

@ShinyRegice you have a fan


One of Sakurai's criteria for a character is showing personality. . .Tetramino doesn't exactly have one. (sorry)

 

[SwordOfSeals]

Eh... Honestly? I feel like Cloud would only be iconic to hardcore gamers. I'm not gonna lie, when the trailer first came up I was like, "Who the hell are you?" Then it showed his name and I was like, "Oh yeah... The guy from Final Fantasy." Then I began showing the trailer to friends and family, and only one of them knew who Cloud was. It was my best friend, and she was like, "WTF? Isn't Lightning suppose to be in the PlayStation Smash thing?" Alright, so she didn't really know who Cloud was and I didn't show her the beginning, but she did know that Cloud was from Final Fantasy 7.

Yeah see here's the thing...I think that Sakurai played it smart and put the top 3 iconic third party characters in the main game as everybody should know MegaMan, Sonic, and PAC-MAN. Now for DLC obviously people who buy DLC take the smash series a little more seriously so they can now add the next iconic characters in line which can arguably be Ryu, Cloud (And if these characters come) Rayman, and Snake. Just a thought...

 

[SamuXCI]

@ShinyRegice
One of Sakurai's criteria for a character is showing personality. . .Tetramino doesn't exactly have one. (sorry)

They can force a personality on Tetramino like they did R.O.B in Brawl.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Eh... Honestly? I feel like Cloud would only be iconic to hardcore gamers. I'm not gonna lie, when the trailer first came up I was like, "Who the hell are you?" Then it showed his name and I was like, "Oh yeah... The guy from Final Fantasy." Then I began showing the trailer to friends and family, and only one of them knew who Cloud was. It was my best friend, and she was like, "WTF? Isn't Lightning suppose to be in the PlayStation Smash thing?" Alright, so she didn't really know who Cloud was and I didn't show her the beginning, but she did know that Cloud was from Final Fantasy 7.

Let me get this straight. She knew Cloud was from FFVII, but she didn't know who Cloud was, even though the title 'FINAL FANTASY VII' appeared before Cloud. Considering you said you want a Wolf mii costume, I think you should try trolling elsewhere

 

[LunarWingCloud]

We live in a dark world if Lightning is more recognizable than Cloud...

 

[Talpr1]

A Tetris character unfortunately seems an unviable option, unless Sakurai happens to have an huge stroke of genius. At least ROB has limbs. However, that's not to say that a Tetris stage or Assist Trophy wouldn't be absolutely amazing.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Tetris is a series that would be better represented with a stage.

 

[Gimmick]

Let me get this straight. She knew Cloud was from FFVII, but she didn't know who Cloud was, even though the title 'FINAL FANTASY VII' appeared before Cloud. Considering you said you want a Wolf mii costume, I think you should try trolling elsewhere

"Alright, so she didn't really know who Cloud was and I didn't show her the beginning, but she did know that Cloud was from Final Fantasy 7."

The Mii costume thing was obviously a joke.

 

[ffdgh]

We live in a dark world if Lightning is more recognizable than Cloud...

She is female cloud after all. /s

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

A Tetris character unfortunately seems an unviable option, unless Sakurai happens to have an huge stroke of genius. At least ROB has limbs. However, that's not to say that a Tetris stage or Assist Trophy wouldn't be absolutely amazing.

Well we do have Pong as an assist trophy already seeing a Tetris block being something like a stage or as an Assist Trophy is not that far-fecthed.

 

[TiaSilvia]

Do you guys think Nintendo will hype the game awards with the Smash announcement like they did last year with the Zelda Wii U gameplay?

 

[NintenZ]

"Alright, so she didn't really know who Cloud was and I didn't show her the beginning, but she did know that Cloud was from Final Fantasy 7."

The Mii costume thing was obviously a joke.

Then why didn't you put a Troll Face or a Kappa at the end so that we'd know it's a joke?

 

[Diddy Kong]

There's a huge difference though. One's an iconic video game character and the other is an anime character. Sakurai even said that he wouldn't put Manga/Anime characters in Smash.

Cloud never had a proper playable Nintendo appearance, Goku did. And I'd ought to say, Goku is a lot more requested probably than Cloud ever was. I can't even say I'd be opposed to Goku appearing in Smash either, he's even bigger a icon than Cloud, and most of you know that.

But **** it, I want Banjo-Kazooie now. And King K.Rool. Damn it.

 

[Lady Byakugan]

I really hope the Ballor DLC is no more than 3-4 characters. Nintendo shouldn't put too many characters in because there wont be any good newcomers for the next game

 

[Fatmanonice]

I really hope the Ballor DLC is no more than 3-4 characters. Nintendo shouldn't put too many characters in because there wont be any good newcomers for the next game

See, a lot of people said this about Brawl and then we were caught totally off guard when a lot of characters were either made relevant again or new popular ones were created. This applies to and then you have characters like that genuinely surprised a lot of people. This being said, I don't think Nintendo will ever have the issue of simply running out of good characters to use.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Cloud never had a proper playable Nintendo appearance, Goku did. And I'd ought to say, Goku is a lot more requested probably than Cloud ever was. I can't even say I'd be opposed to Goku appearing in Smash either, he's even bigger a icon than Cloud, and most of you know that.

But **** it, I want Banjo-Kazooie now. And King K.Rool. Damn it.

zeg vieze apie, you're just mad salty that Impa didn't get in yet Cloud did if you genuinely are defending the idea of Goku

 

[Lady Byakugan]

See, a lot of people said this about Brawl and then we were caught totally off guard when a lot of characters were either made relevant again or new popular ones were created. This applies to and then you have characters like that genuinely surprised a lot of people. This being said, I don't think Nintendo will ever have the issue of simply running out of good characters to use.

No i understand that. I'm talking about big names, characters that people REALLY want, like Ridley, Inklings, or Banjo Kazooie. Characters that will build hype and excitement

 

[Wolfie557]

Maybe I'm just old but the roster for this game is just becoming more and more surreal as time goes on. The original Smash was pretty basic although the addition of Samus and Ness really surprised a lot of people, Melee brought over Japanese exclusives and a few characters that hadn't had games in thousands of years, Brawl did third parties, and this game is bringing in a good number of some of the biggest icons in gaming, period. Smash basically started as a celebration of present day Nintendo, then it's past and present, then Nintendo and it's supporting third parties, and now it's pretty much a celebration of gaming as a whole. It's like, damn, what a wild ride. Smash has become such a big deal to the gaming industry overall that I will never understand how people can think that Nintendo's just going to suddenly stop the series after this game.

I don't think it's close but I like the direction

We live in a dark world if Lightning is more recognizable than Cloud...

Perhaps to newer gamers, but generally, idk who is tbh.

I know both cos I follow gaming by visiting news sites ect even though I have never played a FF game. I'm hardcore.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

We live in a dark world if Lightning is more recognizable than Cloud...

She's not. FF13 hasn't made as much impact on video game history as FF7 and at this point Cloud gets more promotion than Lightning. Plus he has made far more appearances in several successful media than Lightning has.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

I seriously don't get all the people claiming that means that characters like Goku have a chance. Seriously, even characters like Optimus Prime have a better chance than Goku to get in Smash, because at least Prime has some amount of connection to Nintendo specifically, if a small one. Granted, he'll probably never happen, but he's more likely than Goku in any case.

Goku has literally no direct ties to Nintendo directly, so him being possible thanks to Cloud makes no sense. At least Cloud, as unimportant to Nintendo as he is, is an icon of gaming culture. Goku has nothing that video games owe him and he doesn't even have any connections to Nintendo specifically.

Like, if we got someone like Bobobo-bobobo, who clearly has no Nintendo relation, in Smash, then we can say Goku has a shot. Untill then, he's absolutely not got a shot.

 

[Halifax?]

[6 character prediction]

Brawl veteran pack


Cloud Strife


Ballot characters
? ?​

 

[Burruni]

Brawl veteran pack

Cloud Strife

? ? Ballot characters

If 6 DLC characters come, it goes no other way.

Good luck getting Icies.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Why do people think the Icies are coming back? We already know that Sakurai can't get them to work on the 3DS, and he is definitely not going to make WiiU-exclusive characters, because he already knows that wouldn't be fair to those who don't have the Wii U version but do have the 3DS version (like me).

Snake is possible, but not likely. With the way Konami's been going recently, I think that might spell a big issue for Snake coming back; Konami don't seem all that interested in getting him back in, Sakurai might not want to make Snake without Kojima being at Konami...he's just not very likely at this point.

Wolf is the most likely of the cut Brawl vets to come back, since he's popular, he's relevant with StarFox Zero being a thing and he's already been in a Smash game, so it's easier to make him by just updating Wolf's Brawl model and making tweaks to him.

 

[NintenZ]

I just want to ask, why do people want characters from developers that have constantly pulled the rug under Nintendo's feet? I mean I know they're cool and all, but really, they shouldn't deserve characters, they should be abolished for their actions.

 

[IndigoSSB]

Goku's lack of Nintendo ties isn't really the big problem, as Sakurai has demonstrated for us. What bothers me the most about him, along with characters like Shrek, is the fact that he didn't originate from video games. Every video game he's been in is heavily based on the anime. Goku as a possible DLC opens the doors to anime characters like Naruto. Please, don't let that door be opened.

 

[KaBlamJamDan]

I seriously don't get all the people claiming that means that characters like Goku have a chance. Seriously, even characters like Optimus Prime have a better chance than Goku to get in Smash, because at least Prime has some amount of connection to Nintendo specifically, if a small one. Granted, he'll probably never happen, but he's more likely than Goku in any case.

Goku has literally no direct ties to Nintendo directly, so him being possible thanks to Cloud makes no sense. At least Cloud, as unimportant to Nintendo as he is, is an icon of gaming culture. Goku has nothing that video games owe him and he doesn't even have any connections to Nintendo specifically.

Like, if we got someone like Bobobo-bobobo, who clearly has no Nintendo relation, in Smash, then we can say Goku has a shot. Untill then, he's absolutely not got a shot.

B-b-but...

 

[Kalimdori]

I just want to ask, why do people want characters from developers that have constantly pulled the rug under Nintendo's feet? I mean I know they're cool and all, but really, they shouldn't deserve characters, they should be abolished for their actions.

Because most people simply don't give a damn. And neither does Nintendo for that matter, several of the companies already in Smash have done some mean things to Nintendo in the past.