Official General Post-DLC Discussion [Closed]

[True Blue Warrior]

Because most people simply don't give a damn. And neither does Nintendo for that matter, several of the companies already in Smash have done some mean things to Nintendo in the past.

Capcom is probably the only exception.

 

[NintenZ]

Also for those that don't know, Final Fantasy VII was originally in development for the N64, but development was dropped as it would've required 24 cartridges for the full game to work, meaning that more resources and money had to be required, thus, Square ported it to the Playstation so that development could cost less and less time would be required. So technically, Cloud debuted on Nintendo consoles, TECHNICALLY.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Because most people simply don't give a damn. And neither does Nintendo for that matter, several of the companies already in Smash have done some mean things to Nintendo in the past.

Konami? They are Konami
SEGA? Rivals
Capcom? There's a reason they were called Crapcom for a while
Bamco? I'm actually curious, I got the impression they always got along
SE? They stopped making main series FF after 6

 

[NintenZ]

Because most people simply don't give a damn. And neither does Nintendo for that matter, several of the companies already in Smash have done some mean things to Nintendo in the past.

I get that, but the companies that are in Smash have owed up to their actions. Also, please understand that Sakurai isn't going to add just any third-party character, it's got to be a special situation. Also, unless you work at Nintendo you wouldn't know what tension they have with other third-parties.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Also, please understand that Sakurai isn't going to add just any third-party character, it's got to be a special situation.

You stress this yet in this very thread you also think Shantae is going to be added next.

Someone who really lacks anything worthy of being considered a "special situation" compared to the third parties we've gotten.

 

[NintenZ]

You stress this yet in this very thread you also think Shantae is going to be added next.

Someone who really lacks anything worthy of being considered a "special situation" compared to the third parties we've gotten.

Fair enough, it was only a guess by the way, I'm not actually sure. That was conclusive Liquid. I actually think that we could get Banjo or someone else. But whatever, not like I'm surprised.

 

[Alice Margatroid]

I just want to ask, why do people want characters from developers that have constantly pulled the rug under Nintendo's feet? I mean I know they're cool and all, but really, they shouldn't deserve characters, they should be abolished for their actions.

Unless one was personally associated with Nintendo I don't see why it would matter.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I have lots of thoughts.

Besides it's not best to get the NX until Nintendo shows what they can do with it and succeed with it.

Well, this is certainly not what is best for Nintendo.

Yeah that's a debate I'm having with myself, I mean Sakurai said we were going to get tourney mode in August and we got in the last day of July Lol.

What about Mewtwo, who did not come early? What about Brawl being delayed...twice? Or the Sm4sh game, for that matter, coming out 'Summer 2014?' We have one example of something that came early... kind of. I'm not sure we shouldlook at that to set the pace.

I was saying that the next character will have to really match Cloud in the hype department given that we're potentially nearing the end of DLC.

Actually, I would say that because we are getting an entire broadcast on Smash content, and Cloud was announced all by his lonesome, it is more likely that none of the individual characters *Will* solely match the hype. Or at least, they don't need to, because they are not doing it on their own. However, even if any individual character DOES need to generate as much hype as Cloud, I think it could be done. I know I have said it before, but Lara Croft would make a lot of the fanboys cream their screens.
And there are others... Final Fantasy is a HUGE franchise. It isn't the top franchise in the world, and because its characters *do* change each game, I would say that even if Cloud is the absolute face of the series, someone who is the main character and face of another series, in every game, such as Lara, is perhaps more recognizable.

I really hope the Ballor DLC is no more than 3-4 characters. Nintendo shouldn't put too many characters in because there wont be any good newcomers for the next game

A good artist does not hold back on one work to make the next stand out more. This is a business technique, and I truly think Sakurai is more artistically-minded than business minded.
Also... the idea is just a bit infuriating. It upsets me as much as people who don't want to pay for DLC, and thusly think it shouldn't exist. It is just... selfish.


TETRIS
I think we could have a tetris inspired character if we had Lip enter the fray. She would have, or could at least, have a clear Tetris-inspired moveset. Add this with an official 'Tetris' stage, and we have the representation in character form (while hitting Nintendo history, too), as well as the official series. Double win.

 

[NintenZ]

Unless one was personally associated with Nintendo I don't see why it would matter.

I suppose so. I guess what matters is their popularity. As for Shantae, it's just a gut feeling tbh. I'd either expect her or Banjo, or even someone completely unexpected like Riumu from Tohu.

 

[CodeBlue_]

what the **** is a lightning

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Toho.

First of all, spelled wrong, second, at least Cloud's from a franchise that's been very well with Nintendo as a whole, first 5 games, remakes and most spinoffs thrive on Nintendo

 

[A Distant Demon]

I just want to ask, why do people want characters from developers that have constantly pulled the rug under Nintendo's feet? I mean I know they're cool and all, but really, they shouldn't deserve characters, they should be abolished for their actions.

We play as characters not companies.

Rayman is cool. Snake is cool. I dont guve a **** what their company owners did i want the characters

what the **** is a lightning

FF13 main character.

 

[Burruni]

Konami? They are Konami
SEGA? Rivals
Capcom? There's a reason they were called Crapcom for a while
Bamco? I'm actually curious, I got the impression they always got along
SE? They stopped making main series FF after 6

Konami? Konami.
SEGA? The original rival to nintendo and post-dreamcast has been one of the biggest 3rd party supporters for Nintendo consoles.... especially in the poor support for the Wii U.
Capcom? What Konami's trying to be.
Bamco? The quiet good guys.
SE? Stopped making mainline FF after 6 but made sure to still give plenty of games through the spinoffs across Nintendo consoles.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Konami? Konami.
SEGA? The original rival to nintendo and post-dreamcast has been one of the biggest 3rd party supporters for Nintendo consoles.... especially in the poor support for the Wii U.
Capcom? What Konami's trying to be.
Bamco? The quiet good guys.
SE? Stopped making mainline FF after 6 but made sure to still give plenty of games through the spinoffs across Nintendo consoles.

First of all, I was exclusively talking about the things that possibly got them on bad terms with Nintendo, and second, Capcom's been doing very well recently

 

[CodeBlue_]

FF13 main character.

'twas a joke

 

[Burruni]

First of all, I was exclusively talking about the things that possibly got them on bad terms with Nintendo, and second, Capcom's been doing very well recently

I'm sorry.
I'm still upset about not getting another Viewtiful Joe game.
About Megaman 10's quality.
About Legends 3 being cancelled because they didn't trust the 3DS would sell well, BECAUSE NINTENDO'S KNOWN TO EFF UP THEIR HANDHELDS, GO AHEAD GO MAKE YOUR VITA GAMES.

Edit: Neglect of Power Stone and Dark Stalkers...

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'm gonna talk about Lip some more, because this thread is getting too filled with opinions and has nothing to do with any reasonable analysis anymore.

We need her becuz she is Tetris. And the best. And retro. And Jesus.

...apparently people need a trolling smiley to know its a joke. I will not comply.
As seriously, I think we should get Lip and a Tetris stage.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm sorry.
I'm still upset about not getting another Viewtiful Joe game.
About Megaman 10's quality.
About Legends 3 being cancelled because they didn't trust the 3DS would sell well, BECAUSE NINTENDO'S KNOWN TO EFF UP THEIR HANDHELDS, GO AHEAD GO MAKE YOUR VITA GAMES.

To be fair, Mega Man 10 was enjoyable and that was when they were rightfully known as Crapcom. Though Kamiya said he wouldn't mind making a VJ sequel recently iirc

 

[Burruni]

To be fair, Mega Man 10 was enjoyable and that was when they were rightfully known as Crapcom. Though Kamiya said he wouldn't mind making a VJ sequel recently iirc

The only Megaman game that could be argued to have more useless weapons than 10 was 5 but that was because they forgot to balance the gameplay for the power of the charge buster and felt, as a whole, steps back from MM9.
Also the beauty in having it go MM1-9, then X. Representing both 10 and the new era.
"Wouldn't mind making a sequel," to me means absolutely no passion for doing it and would do it if Capcom pushed it which will not happen.
Call me cynical but I just don't trust them on that. I've also heard rumors of a sequel to Okami/den with Capcom letting Platinum just make it (as they were clover).

 

[Wolfie557]

You stress this yet in this very thread you also think Shantae is going to be added next.

Someone who really lacks anything worthy of being considered a "special situation" compared to the third parties we've gotten.

Perhaps there will be a side of 3rd parties in Smash that won't compare to a 'special situation'. Current trends can change.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Perhaps there will be a side of 3rd parties in Smash that won't compare to a 'special situation'. Current trends can change.

Oh, of course, and I'll believe that in the event we get Shovel Knight or something. We're just waiting for the next reveal here, but there's no harm in theorizing from what we have already.

 

[NintenZ]

Perhaps there will be a side of 3rd parties in Smash that won't compare to a 'special situation'. Current trends can change.

When it comes to indies, Shantae is in a class of her own, at least, in my opinion. While she is from an indie developer, her company has worked on various games for various publishers, such as Capcom, Disney, WB games, and even Nintendo. So yes, her company has a high profile. Does this make her a "Special situation" though, I can't say for sure. Out of all the indie characters requested for Smash Bros, she is the most requested, and has been around for the longest. But I suppose only time will tell if she makes the cut.

We play as characters not companies.

Rayman is cool. Snake is cool. I dont guve a **** what their company owners did i want the characters


FF13 main character.

You know what, you're right, now I know why people want these characters, because they love them!

 

[A Distant Demon]

All this talk of Viewtiful Joe is making me sad again. Not only is a sequel super unlikely but his chances in Smash have never been lower because he isn't even close to a gaming icon.

 

[Banjodorf]

I'm perfectly happy to see Cloud and Ryu, and I'm glad Sakurai has been successful in acquiring all these gaming icons together.

But! I'm hoping the ballot DLC will be devoted to the Nintendo favorite(s) we've been supporting forever now (though I'd love for Snake to come back, but other than that it feels off.)

So I'm just sitting here hoping Isaac, K. Rool and/or Dixie are no less considered based on ballot performance than other characters.

 

[NintenZ]

All this talk of Viewtiful Joe is making me sad again. Not only is a sequel super unlikely but his chances in Smash have never been lower because he isn't even close to a gaming icon.

"Heshina Gogo Baby!!!" Yeah, I miss him... Wish Kamiya would make a sequel, but we all know that's not happening any time soon.

 

[Kalimdori]

I get that, but the companies that are in Smash have owed up to their actions. Also, please understand that Sakurai isn't going to add just any third-party character, it's got to be a special situation. Also, unless you work at Nintendo you wouldn't know what tension they have with other third-parties.

You're claiming I can't possibly know certain things while at the same time stating opinions (As facts no less) as if you somehow know better.

Claiming that the companies in smash have "owed up to their actions" is completely opinionated, is arguably untrue, not to mention that it is something you'd "Have to work at Nintendo" to factually know.

No duh, any third party addition is a special "situation". But what garners a special situation in Sakurai's eyes? We don't know all of his criteria. Take just about any Indie character people ask for, who are the best example of "Just any third party character". They're dwarfed in popularity by smaller third party characters like Rayman, Bomberman, Banjo and Kazooie, etc., and by extension are near worthless in comparison to the third party juggernauts in the game right now. But people still support them because we don't know if Sakurai could consider an Indie character as a "special situation". There's absolutely nothing pointing to that being the case, but the possibility is still open, if slim.

And I'm just basing what I've seen off of logical observations. Some companies have done stupid things in their past, but they don't hold it against each other because they are COMPANIES. Not people. They're main function is to make a profit. Grudges aren't profitable. Simple as that, they'd have to be led by unbelievably naive people to think otherwise.

 

[Burruni]

"Heshina Gogo Baby!!!" Yeah, I miss him...

Nerd mode.
"Henshin-a-Go-Go, Baby!"
Because Henshin being the japanese word for transformation made popular by Sentai shows. Power Rangers, Kame Rider, etc.

I still end up calling a certain game Viewtiful 101.

 

[NintenZ]

You're claiming I can't possibly know certain things while at the same time stating opinions (As facts no less) as if you somehow know better.

Claiming that the companies in smash have "owed up to their actions" is completely opinionated, is arguably untrue, not to mention that it is something you'd "Have to work at Nintendo" to factually know.

No duh, any third party addition is a special "situation". But what garners a special situation in Sakurai's eyes? We don't know all of his criteria. Take just about any Indie character people ask for, who are the best example of "Just any third party character". They're dwarfed in popularity by smaller third party characters like Rayman, Bomberman, Banjo and Kazooie, etc., and by extension are near worthless in comparison to the third party juggernauts in the game right now. But people still support them because we don't know if Sakurai could consider an Indie character as a "special situation". There's absolutely nothing pointing to that being the case, but the possibility is still open, if slim.

And I'm just basing what I've seen off of logical observations. Some companies have done stupid things in their past, but they don't hold it against each other because they are COMPANIES. Not people. They're main function is to make a profit. Grudges aren't profitable. Simple as that, they'd have to be led by unbelievably naive people to think otherwise.

I see now. Thank you for letting me understand, maybe my hunch about Shantae may mean something after all!

Nerd mode.
"Henshin-a-Go-Go, Baby!"
Because Henshin being the japanese word for transformation made popular by Sentai shows. Power Rangers, Kame Rider, etc.

I still end up calling a certain game Viewtiful 101.

Well they're both extremely similar, same director, similar character designs, somewhat similar gameplay, I could go on for a while.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I see now. Thank you for letting me understand, maybe my hunch about Shantae may mean something after all!

Well they're both extremely similar, same director, similar character designs, somewhat similar gameplay, I could go on for a while.

Same characters too

There is nothing you can tell me that will make me believe this isn't Silvia.
Or that poseman is a Joe reference.

 

[Wolfie557]

No duh, any third party addition is a special "situation". But what garners a special situation in Sakurai's eyes? We don't know all of his criteria. Take just about any Indie character people ask for, who are the best example of "Just any third party character". They're dwarfed in popularity by smaller third party characters like Rayman, Bomberman, Banjo and Kazooie, etc., and by extension are near worthless in comparison to the third party juggernauts in the game right now. But people still support them because we don't know if Sakurai could consider an Indie character as a "special situation". There's absolutely nothing pointing to that being the case, but the possibility is still open, if slim.
.

Not a 3rd party. And wayyyyy Smaller than Rayman & Bomberman. He should be in a 'tier' below great 3rd parties like them.

 

[NintenZ]

Same characters too


There is nothing you can tell me that will make me believe this isn't Silvia.
Or that poseman is a Joe reference.

And Wonder Red looks so much like Joe too, it's almost like his design was derived from Joe's.

 

[Burruni]

Not a 3rd party. And wayyyyy Smaller than Rayman & Bomberman. He should be in a 'tier' below great 3rd parties like them.

No.
Still 3rd Party.
3rd Party means a video game character whom Nintendo does not own the rights for.

But they're far below in merit than a Belmont, Bomberman, or even Rayman.
Two quality games on the N64, two games on the GBA that most people forget even exist, and then a trainwreck of a 360 title.
Oh, and being a console-exclusive character for Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing for 360 similar to his role in Diddy Kong Racing.

 

[NintenZ]

No.
Still 3rd Party.
3rd Party means a video game character whom Nintendo does not own the rights for.

But they're far below in merit than a Belmont, Bomberman, or even Rayman.
Two quality games on the N64, two games on the GBA that most people forget even exist, and then a trainwreck of a 360 title.
Oh, and being a console-exclusive character for Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing for 360 similar to his role in Diddy Kong Racing.

Yeah... I don't think we're getting Banjo, as much as I'd love to see him. Plus we have .

 

[Wolfie557]

Lol okay fine, he is 3rd party.

But at least we can all agree he is below in merit than a plethora of other 3rd parties. Besides, Banjo would by far mostly appeal to gamers who played his games on the N64.

 

[Burruni]

Lol okay fine, he is 3rd party.

But at least we can all agree he is below in merit than a plethora of other 3rd parties. Besides, Banjo would by far mostly appeal to gamers who played his games on the N64.

Which fanbase most likely has a large overlap for K. Rool.

King me.

 

[NintenZ]

Which fanbase most likely has a large overlap for K. Rool.

King me.

Someone rigged his own poll results because he wanted both so badly. (And Rayman)

 

[RouffWestie]

I'm gonna talk about Lip some more, because this thread is getting too filled with opinions and has nothing to do with any reasonable analysis anymore.

We need her becuz she is Tetris. And the best. And retro. And Jesus.

...apparently people need a trolling smiley to know its a joke. I will not comply.
As seriously, I think we should get Lip and a Tetris stage.

Lip is R.I.P.
Like, she doesn't even have a shot in Smash 5. Which sucks because she could be really interesting as a puzzle-based character.

 

[Zzuxon]

Banjo and Kazooie aren't on the same level as the other third parties in terms of icon power.
They are a "special case" for a different reason.

 

[Burruni]

Lip is R.I.P.
Like, she doesn't even have a shot in Smash 5. Which sucks because she could be really interesting as a puzzle-based character.

What makes her particularly less likely than any other retro character?

 

[NintenZ]

Banjo and Kazooie aren't on the same level as the other third parties in terms of icon power.
They are a "special case" for a different reason.

And what reason is that?