Sinji
Smash Master
Any body knows the match up against ganon.
no matter what i do, his fair keeps on killing me.
no matter what i do, his fair keeps on killing me.
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General Ness discussion
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thesage
Smash Hero
Well Doll lied to me then. I'll yell at him when I see him next.
Edgeguard him and nair him in the face and stuff and u-throw combos at lower percents and d-throw combos at high percents and it's a gigantic spacing battle that Ness is more than likely going to lose.
Edgeguard him and nair him in the face and stuff and u-throw combos at lower percents and d-throw combos at high percents and it's a gigantic spacing battle that Ness is more than likely going to lose.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
So, Sage, I'm back to playing Ness it seems.
He's so freaking fast. Ah!!
My DJCs are beastly btw.
He's so freaking fast. Ah!!
My DJCs are beastly btw.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Low percent you can u-throw fair / bair depending on his di and then combo... i like fair uair personally but that doesn't always work 'cuz of di and other stuff
At like 35 you can start d-throw > dash attack / djc uair if he DIs away or elsewhere respectively.
At like 35 you can start d-throw > dash attack / djc uair if he DIs away or elsewhere respectively.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Ground movement is really smooth for me with Ness, since his physics are similar to that of ICs.
kk
how often do you play ness?
how often do you play ness?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Very infrequently.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I'm gonna start playing him every day. Lol.
Added to my collection of scrubby low tiers.
Percentages when CC gets broken (tested against average weight character [Doc]):
Dair: 14%
Tipped f-smash: 29%
Up-smash: 33%
First hit of d-smash: 38%
Non-tipped f-smash: 50%
U-tilt: 63%
Uair: 64%
Added to my collection of scrubby low tiers.
Percentages when CC gets broken (tested against average weight character [Doc]):
Dair: 14%
Tipped f-smash: 29%
Up-smash: 33%
First hit of d-smash: 38%
Non-tipped f-smash: 50%
U-tilt: 63%
Uair: 64%
ViceGrip
Smash Journeyman
are you saying that before these percents people can crouch cancel those moves? is that unique to ness's badness or just a general melee thing.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
That's precisely what I'm saying. Once they hit these percentages, though, they'll get knocked down if they try to CC the respective move.
its a general melee thing, tho the percent differs for every move
Crouch canceling is pretty effective. Especially on Corneria when you want to absorb the lasers for health. But as it has been mentioned, the higher the percent, the higher you're at risk of DIing downward off the stage. Learn DJC, ViceGrip. It's amazing and useful.
In other news, does anybody got any idea how to deal with an aerial friendly Fox who likes to bait? I used to be able to defeat my friends Fox, but playing him royally screws up my playstyle. Any suggestions?
He likes to use u-smash or u-air to kill, he's always hovering above my Ness with his aerials, and he's grab happy, but I can't avoid that sometimes, even though I feel like I know what he's going to do.
In other news, does anybody got any idea how to deal with an aerial friendly Fox who likes to bait? I used to be able to defeat my friends Fox, but playing him royally screws up my playstyle. Any suggestions?
He likes to use u-smash or u-air to kill, he's always hovering above my Ness with his aerials, and he's grab happy, but I can't avoid that sometimes, even though I feel like I know what he's going to do.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Fair beats jumping pretty well. Just space those fairs.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
If you know when he's gonna come down with an aerial just beat his aerial with U-tilt and then do a bigass combo or tech chase or whatever people do with Ness nowadays.
i almost never use uptilt. Just the way that move looks makes it seem like it has a terribly ****ty hitbox, though im not sure whether or not it actually doees
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
U-tilt has invincibility during the first 2 frames of its active hitbox.
i only utilt if i think djc uair will be too slow to link in a combo
didnt know utilt had invincibility tho
didnt know utilt had invincibility tho
thesage
Smash Hero
Ness head has invinicibility during the u-tilt. IDK if the hands do, I do know it beats lots of dairs and I use it to do that. I never really combo with it outside of u-tilt u-tilt combos... The hitbox vs. aerials is good, but it's startup lag is...
Jono
Smash Apprentice
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Utilt is a very good move to punish with and beats more things than Uair
Utilt sets up for another Utilt/ Uair/Nair/Bair or any other aerial.
usually [wavedash] Utilt -> Uair/Utilt x N times -> Nair/Bair -> techchase/edgeguard
I'm going to start trying to techchase with PKT2
Utilt sets up for another Utilt/ Uair/Nair/Bair or any other aerial.
usually [wavedash] Utilt -> Uair/Utilt x N times -> Nair/Bair -> techchase/edgeguard
I'm going to start trying to techchase with PKT2
thesage
Smash Hero
That's hard though cuz it's predictable and has lots of startup lag. I am trying to see if I can put some simna stuff into my game though.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Played some Ness dittos yesterday. That matchup is awesome.
Sinji
Smash Master
One of the hardest things I notice for ness is tech chasing.
Fun fact: I used to go under the name Jono. That was up until I discovered the name here was already taken. The strange thing about all of it, though, is that you and I use Ness.
Anyway, if you're good at Jump Canceling and you ever get the chance to grab Fox at 0% or a bit higher, see if you can chain throw him.
otg
Smash Master
Utilt is good, but's range is horrific, is only out for a lil bit and is overall risky. But considering that pretty much all of Ness's gameplay is based around taking chances, I guess thats not that huge a deal.
I think Nair is Ness's best move.
I think Nair is Ness's best move.
thesage
Smash Hero
why nair? I'm so bad at using it... I think bair/fair/uair are tied for best IMO. I use them all equally.
Nair actually isn't that bad. It's probably a lot riskier than the other aerials except uair, though. If you can L-cancel it, it might come of good use. I have yet to really know if this works, but whenever I see the opportunity, I usually go for a SHFFL'd nair across the stage until the opponent gets knocked off. But like I said, I have yet to really know if this works. Especially since some people don't tech properly.
Jono
Smash Apprentice
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works if you're expecting a dash attack/grab a bit better than fair since it also hits slightly below you while fair is better against incoming aerials but still doesn't have too much range/priority over some others
uthrow -> uair -> regrab
i find doing that a lot easier than trying for the regrab after uthrow immediately but i haven't tried it much on DI heavy opponents
i don't really go by my smashboards name anyway
at fox/falco 0%, it's usually
uthrow -> uair -> regrab
i find doing that a lot easier than trying for the regrab after uthrow immediately but i haven't tried it much on DI heavy opponents
i don't really go by my smashboards name anyway
thesage
Smash Hero
You can't uair foxes that di away from uthrow. You can regrab them so it's all good. Use dat dash jc grab
otg
Smash Master
Nair is fast, has high priority, deals solid damage, is good oos, good to combo out of fair, I could go on. I personally don't use uair enough, I just don't see Ness's strong suit as keeping someone above him. Not that he has a strong suit really.
otg
Smash Master
Im more talking about in terms of comboing, following up, tech chasing, etc. I dont really think PKT is really viable for any of that.
Jono
Smash Apprentice
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PKT -> techchased bairs(or techchased PKT) are so good on fastfallers . if you hit them while they're jumping or while they're still on hitstun they usually can't jump out of PKT hitstun
otherwise it racks up a lot of % for a quick bair
it's surprising when you start integrating it into Ness game, especially use it when you know they're coming down with an attack
otherwise you'll probably be wanting to do wavelands on upper platforms to uairs which usually leads to nair/bairs
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
So DJC fair out of shield is incredibly good. If people start CCing it, UPSMASH OUT OF SHIELD. It breaks CC starting at 33%.
thesage
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWu_LYC16Z0
Nessby is a good Ness. Imma watch more of him later.
Pound 5 was fun. Ness ditto free for alls were awesome. I think next tournament I go to I'll go all Ness for fun.
Nessby is a good Ness. Imma watch more of him later.
Pound 5 was fun. Ness ditto free for alls were awesome. I think next tournament I go to I'll go all Ness for fun.
man ness is not good
i have to work so hard to do things that are so easy with a top tier.
what is the point of trying to be a good low tier main if itll still be vastly inferior to playing a top tier...
i have to work so hard to do things that are so easy with a top tier.
what is the point of trying to be a good low tier main if itll still be vastly inferior to playing a top tier...
otg
Smash Master
Welcome to my last like 2 years. You do it because you love the character, and losing with them is more fun then losing with top tiers.
thesage
Smash Hero
It's actually kind of funny, I would've placed the same at Pound whether I had gone all Ness or all Peach. =/
I probably would've done better if I had played just Peach or just Ness instead of trying to pull the whole double main thing for my whole smash career. I'm kinda at a crossroads.
IDK what to do now... I'm thinking of focusing on Peach until I get good enough to make it to bracket at a national and then switching to Ness. I was really close to making it to round 3 pools.
I just find playing Ness a lot of fun. I'm starting to find Peach as fun too now though. Idk, I'm so confus
I probably would've done better if I had played just Peach or just Ness instead of trying to pull the whole double main thing for my whole smash career. I'm kinda at a crossroads.
IDK what to do now... I'm thinking of focusing on Peach until I get good enough to make it to bracket at a national and then switching to Ness. I was really close to making it to round 3 pools.
I just find playing Ness a lot of fun. I'm starting to find Peach as fun too now though. Idk, I'm so confus
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Sorry I didn't get to play you at Pound, Sage. Too many out of region people to keep me occupied. 
idk, im starting to not find ness as fun as i used to. The lack of options in almost every situation is starting to frustrate me. I hate predicting my opponent to do something and not being able to punish it. Which was never an issue when i play almost any other top tier. (except peach at times)
I used to have the idea that all characters have some viability at atleast high levels of play but im not sure if I can stick by that.
It might just be that I stopped practicing seriously with ness and I simply don't know how to punish/deal with somethings due to that lack of practice and not because ness is unable to do it. I really hope this is the case. So i'll keep playing ness, probably more so to convince myself he isn't a waste of time
and otg yur a scrub, yur top tiers are not better than yur doc. They may be even, but def not better. I don't mind losing as long as I know my losing will atleast help me improve to the point where I can get good enough to not lose. But if ness cant be viable at all, than why bother.
I used to have the idea that all characters have some viability at atleast high levels of play but im not sure if I can stick by that.
It might just be that I stopped practicing seriously with ness and I simply don't know how to punish/deal with somethings due to that lack of practice and not because ness is unable to do it. I really hope this is the case. So i'll keep playing ness, probably more so to convince myself he isn't a waste of time
and otg yur a scrub, yur top tiers are not better than yur doc. They may be even, but def not better. I don't mind losing as long as I know my losing will atleast help me improve to the point where I can get good enough to not lose. But if ness cant be viable at all, than why bother.