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General ICs Q&A Thread

-LzR-

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I guess it's only fair to not let G&W play where he is the strongest... It seems perfectly fair to let Snake do that though. Seriously, his planking is not unbeatable at all. MKs is.
 
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If DK is strongest on the ledge, why do we limit him there?

BECAUSE THE METAGAME SHOULDN'T BE FOCUESD AROUND THE LEDGE.
 
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DK isn't even that strong on the ledge. There was a thread about it, even Olimar can attack him on the ledge. And why shouldn't it be focused around the ledge? Something wrong about it now? Boring, eh?
 
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I know Olimar can hit him on the ledge. It was a very small frame window though. Not viable.

Think about it this way. Why should a player go 1000 miles to a tournament to be eliminated by a DK that decided to win by planking? That's what happened to Rich Brown. It's not fair.
 
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no lgl would break the game. imo, and ive looked VERY Strongly into this, pikachus plank is just as unbeatable as mks is. if i see any lgless tourney nearby im winning it LOL
 
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-LzR- said:
DK isn't even that strong on the ledge. There was a thread about it, even Olimar can attack him on the ledge. And why shouldn't it be focused around the ledge? Something wrong about it now? Boring, eh?
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Game and watch only has one frame where he is even possible to be hit when planking correctly. Thus, you have to either guess on the frame and throw out a move that can possibly hit him, which if you're wrong, you have a chance to be punished, and he can go right back to planking. Frame perfect guessing isn't the safest thing possible.

Its not the fact that its boring, its the fact that it completely over centralizes the game. When all you need to do is hit the opponent once and you win because you can now run to the ledge and go for a time out is ridiculously overpowered. They had to add a timer for Melee stocks JUST for this fact. (And it was caused by M2K iirc)
 
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All right fine. I'll master my planking, beat a tourney and then ban it if it actually helps me that much.
 
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The irony is hylians been advocating to me privately to do that for awhile now >_>

And I was like "no the nadesssss"

GG Hylian wins
 
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So is the F-Smash at the ledge after a Sopo D-Throw chaingrab guaranteed until a certain percent (like the usual end of the D-throw CG percent range), or does it always hit because people DI back towards the stage?

Also that entire game seemed pretty boss, IMO.
 
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Until a certain percent. Dthrow doesn't have fixed knockback.

Yes, I just watched the video. 9B can even use squall correctly, ****ing crazy.
 
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DeLux said:
The irony is hylians been advocating to me privately to do that for awhile now >_>

And I was like "no the nadesssss"

GG Hylian wins
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IT'S SO GOOD AND NO ONE EVER BELIEVES MEEEEE

:( oh well.

9B is a god lol.
 
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Grab him during the like 7 frames of forced getup prior to FAF which lets him pull nades.
 
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How do I deal with Falco? His moves are pretty safe and I can't punish as I slide far away and his jab totally destroys all my options. It sucks and it's supposed to be greatly in my favor :(
 
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Utilt to beat his aerial options?
Can I shieldgrab his jab if my timing is good? What if I get stuck in the jab? Should I immediately SDI away?
How should I use IBs effectively against Falco?
 
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Uptilt beats Dair, and I think Bair, which are the only two aerials he could possibly approach with.
Don't SDI away from Jab, SDI through him imo.
 
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You put a desync IB down to beat low phantasm. You put out deysnc Utilt to beat a higher phantasam.

Any other move gets shield grabbed.
 
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Wow guys, amazing stuff. Thank you so much. The jab is the only thing stopping me from destroying his Falco. Can I really just shieldgrab his ****? I guess my timing just sucks as I fail at it or is he just baiting me?

If I do well against Falco, he is going to whip out his Marth. How do I deal with an aggressive Marth who pressures me with fairs and dtilts? It's hard to find openings and ICs slide so far away...
 
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I might be bad to ask. Nobody goes Falco against me so I've played 1 in tournament lol
 
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All right I see xD
Well I'll see if I can learn the MU into a level where he no longer even tries to beat me with Falco.
Marth will be crap though. We played it yesterday and it was all about him spacing and pretty much 0deathing me after he carried Nana away with fairs, but I always got that grab and 0deathed him in return. What a weird MU.
 
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If Esam is FreEsam, can I be FreeLux or have I not earned that title yet?
 
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He's tapping the cstick up repeatedly after the hobble instead of the IB
 
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1. how low appox. does nado have to be for us to be able to pivot grab it?
2. i did a up b and it looked as though popo didn't recover as far. could anyone explain this?
3. how does blizzard exactly work, i notice sometimes it puts them in a FROZEN state?
4. when are some good times to use utilt? i don't use it often.
 
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DeLux said:
If Esam is FreEsam, can I be FreeLux or have I not earned that title yet?
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No you haven't, you need to be bad and main pikachu. :awesome:
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What's that Hobble finisher 9B kept doing to that Snake? Nana Footstool > Nana SH U-Air (weak hitbox?) > Popo U-Smash?
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Thats just him with a lazy finisher, iirc the opponent can DI into nana's hit to reduce the knock back.
Aefice said:
1. how low appox. does nado have to be for us to be able to pivot grab it?
2. i did a up b and it looked as though popo didn't recover as far. could anyone explain this?
3. how does blizzard exactly work, i notice sometimes it puts them in a FROZEN state?
4. when are some good times to use utilt? i don't use it often.
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1. in pivot grab's range obv.
2. Too vague
3. Yes it can encase people in ice from mid-high percents. Thats not really an important aspect of blizzard though.
4. When the opponent is above you/trying to airdodge into you.
 
DeLux

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If they are trying to air dodge into me, I generally grab.

I think Utilt is a garbage move that isn't safe on hit
 
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DeLux said:
If they are trying to air dodge into me, I generally grab.

I think Utilt is a garbage move that isn't safe on hit
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Pffft every single one of IC's moves is safe on hit.
 
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Non Auto Canceled Dair, unsafely spaced IB, Synced Blizzard, Solo Squall, and Utilt though :(

Although to be fair, most of it is getting punished due to DSDI

Even Synced Squall isn't safe if they are good at DSDI
 
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DeLux said:
Non Auto Canceled Dair, unsafely spaced IB, Synced Blizzard, Solo Squall, and Utilt though :(

Although to be fair, most of it is getting punished due to DSDI

Even Synced Squall isn't safe if they are good at DSDI
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Nope all safe.

You have two characters remember? lol

:phone:
 
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