Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Don't see why though. Ice Climbers is a gimmick character and some people can't work with gimmick characters like that. Some people are stubborn about being tier hos I guess. :V
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General ICs Q&A Thread
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FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
Sylarius
Smash Ace
Ah, damn. I was hoping there wouldn't be enough ICs for... uniqueness? xD
IC's aren't that gimmicky they are more high risk-reward/glass canon. It's not like the "gimmicks" don't work once people figure them out. They have a very solid game in their zoning and damage output disregarding the chaingrab.
Roller
Smash Legend
@ ICs vs snake: I had big problems with this mu for a long time. But it's actually one of my favorites now. It's not easy, but I now believe it is in our favor.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Fusion Glitch indeed has something that unnaturally disrupts gameplay (Teleport glitch).
V3x (anti-namesearching) tried to abuse it until they banned it anyway.
Yes, ICs are gimmicky as a character. The grab is a tool, desynchs are a tool, and when nana is killed, we drop to low tier. I think that's a gimmick character if I've ever heard of one. I consider low kill power outside of grabs and pretty predictable/punishable recovery in exchange for an infinite gimmicky.
I never said it was bad; plenty of gimmick characters in other games are amazing and played at top level (Latif's C.Viper in SSF4 jumps to mind.) Its just the fact people come through and play a character not because they actually want to learn it, but because of metagame fads/I wanna play a top tier cos I tier *****/Im trying to find someone to play after the MK ban.
Roller
Smash Legend
you can just punish ftilt with a sheildgrab if badly spaced... No need to dash.
You can't name search 3 letters on smashboards >_>.
Roller
Smash Legend
lmao@antinamesearch for a 3 character name. I'm not really sure why you'd want to avoid him seeing that anyway.. Wasn't defamatory or anything.
But yeah, Vex was the only one to really champion the fusion glitch as a legit strategy. I did consider him a top 5 ICs when he was maining them tho. So I mean.. Yeah. It can be used well. And most tourneys only have it soft banned. Like, it's unwritten in a lot of rulesets, so you should be able to use it at first, but if you start abusing it, it's entirely possible your local TO could ban it due primarily to the teleporting aspect. So I wouldn't focus your strategy around it. And if you don't focus around it, then you probably wont use it optimally, as it can be pretty tricky to use well. So it's just best not to bother with it imo.
Also, Aefice PM'd me asking about the snake mu and I wrote a pretty in depth response for him. It's pretty comprehensive and might be able to help other new ICs as well so I'm going to refine it a bit, add a little to it, then probably post it here.
But yeah, Vex was the only one to really champion the fusion glitch as a legit strategy. I did consider him a top 5 ICs when he was maining them tho. So I mean.. Yeah. It can be used well. And most tourneys only have it soft banned. Like, it's unwritten in a lot of rulesets, so you should be able to use it at first, but if you start abusing it, it's entirely possible your local TO could ban it due primarily to the teleporting aspect. So I wouldn't focus your strategy around it. And if you don't focus around it, then you probably wont use it optimally, as it can be pretty tricky to use well. So it's just best not to bother with it imo.
Also, Aefice PM'd me asking about the snake mu and I wrote a pretty in depth response for him. It's pretty comprehensive and might be able to help other new ICs as well so I'm going to refine it a bit, add a little to it, then probably post it here.
Stealth Raptor
Smash Legend
you can use google to namesearch three letter names, its how lux does it
Roller
Smash Legend
...For a name like Vex? You would get like a billion hits of frustrated people... lol
Yeah but almost no one does that.
You can search specific websites by searching for example: [Lux site:www.smashboards.com] will give you only results for that word on smashboards.
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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>_>
The only issue I run into is that some ******* that's also named Lux plays this stupid game called League of Legends, even worse it sounds like they are one of those really active traveling people and are just really bad at the game. I wish people would leave my Eugenides references alone so that I can have it all to myself. Context clues leads me to believe that Lux is a girl though, so I guess it's not all bad news. Imma have to charm her into a name change so that I can have my name back
The only issue I run into is that some ******* that's also named Lux plays this stupid game called League of Legends, even worse it sounds like they are one of those really active traveling people and are just really bad at the game. I wish people would leave my Eugenides references alone so that I can have it all to myself. Context clues leads me to believe that Lux is a girl though, so I guess it's not all bad news. Imma have to charm her into a name change so that I can have my name back
Roller
Smash Legend
I love DeLux.
Roller
Smash Legend
Pivotgrab does beat sideB and you can use it to punish that on reaction.
And depends on what exactly he does with the banana while rushing in.
And depends on what exactly he does with the banana while rushing in.
Roller
Smash Legend
Yes... It does.
Vinnie
Smash Master
It beats the beginning and end of it, not the middle since he arcs up.
^^ Was about to post this. Not sure why diddy would ever hit you with the beginning or end of it without throwing a banana at you first.
Roller
Smash Legend
A lot of them go for the end. Sometimes while recovering. Obviously if they are too high for them to even hit you with it you wont get them.. And being able to pivotgrab 2/3rds of a move makes it "pivotgrabbable" imo.
Plus I usually dash back and pivotgrab, not just stand there and do it. Allowing me to be closer to the end of the move when it gets to me.
Plus I usually dash back and pivotgrab, not just stand there and do it. Allowing me to be closer to the end of the move when it gets to me.
And I'm saying no good diddy will just side-b at you for no reason. Why would diddy EVER do that? If they are side-bing it's because they hit you with something or you are at a range where you can't grab it.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Force them into planking till they go over the lgl, then run away and time them out.
Pikachu is the only character I've had trouble dealing damage to while planking.
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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To answer your first question, it depends how you define "strong".
The best way to deal with people planking is to use desynced options to force them off the ledge. If you time blizzard and SH IB's at a certain spacing, an opponent can't hold the ledge for a lengthy period of time. At which point, they'll naturally get back on stage at some point or else they risk going over the LGL. Without LGL, I'd imagine us having trouble with A LOT of the cast and planking. Without it, it doesn't matter how strong their planking game is by in large because your goal is just to make them eat damage. If they make a mistake (which the projectile pressure causes occasionally), you could end up getting a dtilt or a smash. If those mistakes don't come, you're in trouble without the LGL because that clock is going to wind down.
If you're in desperation mode and need to pull out a miracle with the clock winding down N SH IB > P Run Off Back Air > Stage Spike > (optional P footstool) works, but that's about all we got. If you miss that, you are probably going to be losing your stock because they can just tap nana away since you desynced and you are now dead.
What about tourneys without dumb IC buffing rules ? :o
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
How is lgl a "dumb IC buffing rule?"
I'd seriously never leave the ledge if I didn't have to.
Roller
Smash Legend
Roller
Smash Legend
Other characters such as 
and as Hylian pointed out, 
ika: have very strong planking games as well. Will vs Rich B at WHOBO is a perfect example of what can still happen if there is no lgl for non mk characters.
and as Hylian pointed out, ika: have very strong planking games as well. Will vs Rich B at WHOBO is a perfect example of what can still happen if there is no lgl for non mk characters.