ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I'm 20 too. And I look like I'm 10.
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Social General Ice Climber Chat
- Thread starter dj asakura
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PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
I just found the perfect new tag and a perfect song for a Ice Climbers combo video, time to get good at this game.
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
Thanks Binx. I'll try to get more vids out of my IC but I usually screw around with other chars in friendlies so I don't hear any lip.
TD is fun to play against though. He actually likes my IC apparemtly.
TD is fun to play against though. He actually likes my IC apparemtly.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
my join date taps
Binx
Smash Master
i wish i had chok's join date
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Nevermind your join date, how the hell did you get a negative post count? xD
I can't get down the rhythm for wobbling. I can get in about eight hits total, then I either have to dsmash throw or they'll escape. I might start the infinite with blizzard and dairs, but I'd rather know the easier way to do it. Is there an easy way to practice it? I just can't figure the pattern out.
john!
Smash Hero
Never mind his post count, where is his title? Could he be too good for a title?!
Vts
Smash Champion
i want chok's body
i mean he looks like luffy :D
<3
also are you still being silent as a mouse in person to other people to confuse them?
G
genkaku
Guest
so I was playing a fox today on cornaria. I got trapped in the corner under the fin with the hatch thing, but managed to get a grab. I back threw toward the hatch and fox went through the stage and got trapped under the tail of the ship.
Wha-
Wha-
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
OMG I am very touched that you put me in a list with them. Now I wanna step up my game and get good! ~^_^~
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Use a metronome until you learn the beat I guess, I play drums so it clicked straight away for me.
<3
You, Fly and Chok have influenced my Climbers the most :D
Come to Australia!
Hmm, backthrow, I´ve done it once, where I think i Fthrowed to nana that backthrowed , or just nana grabed and throwed him under the stage.
I soooo want to learn that spacing to do that like every try, then fox will get kinda useless against ICs on that stage (especially when IC´s got the lead, and in PAL which we play over here).
Getting consistent with it could lead to open up the stage as he is no longer even counted as the berst char on it =)
I´ve had mayor trouble with wobbling, but came down to a "sollution" that when practicing alot with it will make it become easier:
Play against lv9 ganon (easy to grab after his up-b for example), he will mash so the timing will have to be perfect for it to work.
Anyone that have learned to take the edge right away with a turnaround up-b?, kinda like how shiek can do it? Nana needs to be close otherwise Popo won´t turn around.
I practiced a bit with it but it´s hard since I need to not use a jump, and not be too fast for grabbing the edge.
Is it better to learn to wobble infinite, or to know how to do CGs without the infinite? CGs are more obnoxious, but I don't know which is more reliable...
Speaking of that, de-syncing. Necessary or just extra terror for the opponent?
Edit: Also, I'm watching some vids of Wobbles and Chu, and I notice both of them will charge fsmashes out of a grab. How can you charge a smash while throwing down, seems like that's an impossible input?
Speaking of that, de-syncing. Necessary or just extra terror for the opponent?
Edit: Also, I'm watching some vids of Wobbles and Chu, and I notice both of them will charge fsmashes out of a grab. How can you charge a smash while throwing down, seems like that's an impossible input?
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i got better at cgc
there wasnt a tournament there
but i played against spacies for like 4 hours. all this brawl play has made my spacie matchup SOOOO rusty, but now i got it back and was fending for myself against sfat
replicate is still better at the matchup though... so i still needa improve. hes like the scariest person for me to play against (though i still never played lucky/mango..)
socal players are so good at the matchup!
i can do this
there wasnt a tournament there
but i played against spacies for like 4 hours. all this brawl play has made my spacie matchup SOOOO rusty, but now i got it back and was fending for myself against sfat
replicate is still better at the matchup though... so i still needa improve. hes like the scariest person for me to play against (though i still never played lucky/mango..)
socal players are so good at the matchup!
i can do this
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
What's with European ICs players having Popo f-throw for handoff? Silly lazy people.
AshuRawRun
Smash Apprentice
I don't use F-throw...
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
I played with Joe a lot Chok and he gets to play against Fly pretty often so he is pretty well versed in the match up.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Learn wobbling if it isn't banned in your area and always use it when you can.
Also learn CGs and use them whenever you can't wobble and it is more beneficial to CG them than Throw > Smash or whatever.
De-synching is very much necessary.
You can throw with the C-Stick. Also, it's not that hard to press down and then quickly press forward.
I think I can learn de-syncing fairly quickly for relatively simple things. I use icicles a lot even though I shouldn't, but de-syncing them should help approaches.
I feel like I'm just being an ******* if I wobble my friends, though. Then they won't want to play with me and I'll be lonely.
Right, but how do you throw and have the attack charging before you even throw them? I've seen Wobbles and Chu both do it.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Keep practicing with de-synchs and watch lots of videos. I rip a lot of my de-synchs straight from matches.
Don't wobble your friends if they don't want to, I was just talking about in tourneys
If you want to charge before you throw them, do this:
1. Jab
2. While Popo is jabbing, press the buttons to charge a Smash and Nana will start charging.
3. Press the direction you want to throw while Nana is charging. Popo will throw and Nana will keep charging.
4. Release A to Smash!
Don't wobble your friends if they don't want to, I was just talking about in tourneys
If you want to charge before you throw them, do this:
1. Jab
2. While Popo is jabbing, press the buttons to charge a Smash and Nana will start charging.
3. Press the direction you want to throw while Nana is charging. Popo will throw and Nana will keep charging.
4. Release A to Smash!
I've been practicing CGs on NPCs and my friends, and I'm reasonably good at it. I can do the dair CGs no problem, haven't had much luck with fairs. Not that I can't do them, my friends just don't pick characters it'll work with.
One thing I did notice was that I had some real difficulty throwing blizzards in between bashes before the throw. I could never do it right and 90% of the time it resulted in them getting loose. Is there a secret to it or something?
One thing I did notice was that I had some real difficulty throwing blizzards in between bashes before the throw. I could never do it right and 90% of the time it resulted in them getting loose. Is there a secret to it or something?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
1. Grab
2. Pummel (the in-grab attack performed by pressing 'A')
3. Blizzard during the pummel.
Oh, and the Fair chain-grabs are pretty useless :/
Every time I try that, it never works. I'll either end up not doing a blizzard or throwing them.
Other than that, though, I'm doing fairly well. dair chains aren't super hard to learn (obviously I'll need more practice), and I'm starting to work on desynchs (they seem to only happen when I get in the zone and my fingers take over, if I think about it it won't work).
Also I need to focus on my general approach to the game. I'm currently playing like I absolutely NEED to get a grab, and I'm taking hits I shouldn't be taking in the vain hope of getting one. I need to focus on getting a grab when I have an opening, not just rushing and hoping to get one. That never works.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Ice Climbers are probably one of the most experience-based characters. Unlike other characters like Fox who you can learn just from reading a guide, Ice Climbers are a lot more about playing with them as much as you can until you learn what works and when.
I have no idea why you can't do the holding Blizzard, maybe you aren't fast enough?
I have no idea why you can't do the holding Blizzard, maybe you aren't fast enough?
choknater
Smash Obsessed
totally agree with you grim. i feel like i can't play against a spacie unless i have like 10 friendlies under my belt and i can choose the correct options on instinct.
and yah miles i kno hahah. its too good. im going to try playing with zac more though, so hopefully it'll prepare me to defeat joe if i ever meet him in tournament
and yah miles i kno hahah. its too good. im going to try playing with zac more though, so hopefully it'll prepare me to defeat joe if i ever meet him in tournament
I feel like I'm actually hitting them TOO fast, like there was too much cooldown from whatever the last thing Nana did was that it's not registering.
And I've started using the "Babe Ruth", as I've seen it called. Fun for rage.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Babe Ruth is hilarious. I do it after every wobble
I still don't have wobble timing down, so I'm stuck with dair infinites. I get scared when they start to wiggle around, so I've started to not jab very much (or blizzard) and just constantly CG them. Unfortunately, then THAT timing is slightly off, so they get out with WAY less damage than they should.
I feel like I should probably find out how long I have at various %'s to do a move before they can get out.
Also, Ganon wrecks the everloving **** out of me. I keep getting hit with dairs, even though I shouldn't be getting hit with them. I think I have some sort of weird aversion to spot dodging with IC's, the lag throws me off. Any tips? I feel like I should be attacking where I know he's GOING, now where he currently is.
I feel like I should probably find out how long I have at various %'s to do a move before they can get out.
Also, Ganon wrecks the everloving **** out of me. I keep getting hit with dairs, even though I shouldn't be getting hit with them. I think I have some sort of weird aversion to spot dodging with IC's, the lag throws me off. Any tips? I feel like I should be attacking where I know he's GOING, now where he currently is.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I don't know who you are playing against, but Dthrow > Dair is in no way an infinite. It only really works on people who don't expect it, otherwise they can DI out. Of course, you only play with your friends, so that's cool.
Utilt ***** Ganon.
So Wobbling is really the only real infinite, everything else is just CGs?
I'll just use CGs for damage until I can get Wobbling down. It'll piss my friends off, but that's the fun part.
It sucks because I KNOW the dair is coming, I just can't avoid it. Does utilt beat it?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Ganon's Dair wins priority wise, but you can beat it with Uair purely because of range.
If he often approaches with a dair, I suggest wave-dancing around the place with synced utilts.
Wobbling is the only real infinite, but the Hand-Off (also called the Ledge Chain-Grab) is so amazing it might as well be an infinite. You can get like... 70% just by handing off, and it can't be escaped until you have to stop from running out of room.
Synced u-tilts? So just normal u-tilts?
I still can't do hand-offs. Gotta practice that. He knows my grab game now, though, so it's hard to get an opening.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Synced Utilt = Normal Utilt, yeah.
Just keep practicing :D Watch as many videos as you can and really pay attention to what the IC player does.
I haven't actually memorized any of the Hand-Off time-frames, I just do it on the fly by paying attention to the characters.
But I am VERY amazing, so you might not be able to emulate that.
So far I've only been really watching Chu and Wobbles, everyone else is too ridiculously technical. I'm starting to learn it, but you're completely right, it's solely experience.
I wish that didn't mean I get my *** beaten a LOT, but I guess it happens.
I wish that didn't mean I get my *** beaten a LOT, but I guess it happens.
What's with all american ICs players using the nickname ChivalRuse? I mean this guys does it, that surely means everyone else does as well.
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
choknater
Smash Obsessed
randomly approaching falcon/ganon with synched squall................
****
just dont get faired
****
just dont get faired
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
OR baired
or Uaired
or tilted
or Uaired
or tilted
Binx
Smash Master
try as early as possible not to watch one player when you watch videos, try and watch the space between them if you have to rewind to really see something you can do that, but watching the space in between them will give you a better idea of who is controlling what space and why both players attacked when they did.
Its also about as good for different reasons and focusing on your opponent rather than your own character, watch as much of whats going on as possible and you will be more successful (probably not initially).