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- Thread starter dj asakura
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I thought wobbling WAS the jab infinite? And god, I can't even do normal blizzards doing a CG, I can't do a Blizzobble.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
You've gotta learn to blizzard during chain grabs, dude. They add on a ton of damage.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I was just going by frame data. I'm not talking about priority mind you, if you use the Utilt before he gets too close to you, wouldn't it hit him before the dair hit-boxes reach you?
Eh, I consider the Jab Infinite and Blizzoble alternate forms of Wobbling.
Sorry for not putting you on the list, I can only remember so many players
I think it can, yeah. I've been testing it, and it seems that if I mistime it, he'll dair ME, but Nana will utilt him. Which is actually really terrible, because then Nana stands around like a moron and gets ****ed up.I was just going by frame data. I'm not talking about priority mind you, if you use the Utilt before he gets too close to you, wouldn't it hit him before the dair hit-boxes reach you?
Eh, I consider the Jab Infinite and Blizzoble alternate forms of Wobbling.
Sorry for not putting you on the list, I can only remember so many players
That reminds me. Why is Nana such a god**** idiot? I'll get smacked off the stage and in a position where if Nana jumped to me, I could Up-B back to the stage, but on stages like FD, she runs to the OPPOSITE EDGE and just sits there. I think my Nana has a death wish.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Nana is just an idiot, plain and simple. Try not to over de-synch against characters who can take advantage of Nana's stupidity (Falcon, Sheik, Fox) is the only advice I can give.
I feel like I'm playing as a babysitter, not a tag team. Bleh.
The thing is, Ganon will dair, I'll shield it, I'll get pushed one way but Nana will get pushed the other way, and then it's just over. He'll just throw her off the edge and focus on me. I'm put on the spot because I need to get in and hit him so he can't mess up Nana, but he'll be waiting for me and hit me before I can get in, then I'm damaged, Nana's toast, and he probably won.
Admittedly, that's really not TOO terrible. My SoPo's arguably better than my ICs, but it's still a pain, can't CG. I need to get used to either spot dodging or wavedashing more frequently. I already do it a lot, but not always when it's super useful. Surprise WD bairs are surprisingly useful.
Speaking of that, is there a trick to uair -> bair? I can't seem to do it, the uair knocks them too high. Am I starting the uair too late?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Once you are more confident with wave-dashing, baiting Ganon's dair and punishing it becomes much easier.
You should be doing a rising up air, then double jump and hit with bair. There is no trick to it, I can't see any way of messing it up xD
You should be doing a rising up air, then double jump and hit with bair. There is no trick to it, I can't see any way of messing it up xD
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Not in the least. Oftentimes in order to achieve ****, you have to give up a more efficient option, meaning you're taking more risks, which can lead to you overall losing more games.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
If you teach your friends how to DI you will improve significantly.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
messing with people's DI is KEY. people get so flustered when when they THINK they know how to get out of a CG, but you choose a different option which makes it worse for them
my favorite is the down-away DI for spacies to get out of a standard dthrow dair, but i simply fsmash them and they die at 60.
or when they're at 100 and they THINK i'm gonna fsmash them, but i dthrow dair 2 or 3 more times and then smash them at 150.
every ic's should use trademark/personal stuff like this, it can really help you get into your opponent's head.
my favorite is the down-away DI for spacies to get out of a standard dthrow dair, but i simply fsmash them and they die at 60.
or when they're at 100 and they THINK i'm gonna fsmash them, but i dthrow dair 2 or 3 more times and then smash them at 150.
every ic's should use trademark/personal stuff like this, it can really help you get into your opponent's head.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
My favourite mind-game thing (which I stole from one of PLUR's matches) is grabbing, charging a Fsmash, they expect me to release, but I down throw them to regrab, and then release.
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
Wait... You got that from one of my matches?
I don't remember doing that lol! It sounds really hard. :/
So I'm starting to react a little better to Ganon. Still having spacing issues, and I'm still walking right into his attacks. I'm attacking where he IS, now where he'll BE. The problem is, he's significantly better at it than I am, so he'll space his dairs so that they hit me when i'm in some weird hit cooldown. Also if I shield it, my shield is hit harder so me and Nana get sent in opposite directions. I can't WD out because I react too late and spot dodging is...difficult.
Also I've started to choke with my CGs. This is bad. (also I apparently can't dthrow CG ganon anymore. wtf.)
Also I've started to choke with my CGs. This is bad. (also I apparently can't dthrow CG ganon anymore. wtf.)
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I think it was in one of your games against True Darkness... I might be getting mixed up though...
You can't dthrow chain grab Ganon, you can't dthrow chain grab anyone except at really low percents. The only decent chain grabs are the Blizzobble, Jab Infinite and Wobble (all infinites) and the Hand-Off (inescapable, but not infinite). All the other chain grabs only work as a surprise, because they can be DI'd out of.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Ganon's not a fast faller. Dair > Dair doesn't work
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Sorry, that was a typo. I meant "Dthrow > Dthrow"
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
I'm pretty sure you can Dthrow chaingrab Ganon at low percents.
You may have just been too slow
You may have just been too slow
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
Good luck!
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
When you first start out as ICs it seems like you get hit by EVERYTHING. But that's normal so don't get discouraged.
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
IC players should mix in regular dashing with wavedashes for movement. Most people think of wavedashing as an infallible way of moving around but you guys have to remember that even if you do it perfectly, there are about 15 frames where you can't do ANYTHING, even shield. Regular dashes don't give the speed burst but you get the added benefit of being able to dash-cancel, shield, attack, or jump if you need to.
Can you dash backwards out of a wavedash?
For example, if I'm dashing right full speed, if I WD backwards can I immediately start running left? I'm only asking because our traction's so low I don't want to waste time changing direction.
For example, if I'm dashing right full speed, if I WD backwards can I immediately start running left? I'm only asking because our traction's so low I don't want to waste time changing direction.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
yes, you can
Vts
Smash Champion
my combo video trailer is coming out soon i just can't pick what short little song to play for it ><
but trailer should be out either tonight or tomorrow.
its only going to have like 3-4 combos lol
no grab combos also since i hate grab combos unless its sopo ><
also making she-nana-gans later ones i have enough footage for it.
but trailer should be out either tonight or tomorrow.
its only going to have like 3-4 combos lol
no grab combos also since i hate grab combos unless its sopo ><
also making she-nana-gans later ones i have enough footage for it.
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
Fair is not a particularly good approach against Sheik.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
haha, it ain't bad
id rather just let her run into my grabs though
id rather just let her run into my grabs though
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I de-synch blizzards against Sheik and wait for her to come to me.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
lol yeap thats pretty much a good idea