Social General Ice Climber Chat

[Nintendude]

For sh auto cancel uair I just press Y and then flick the C-stick up with the inside of my thumb.

I'm really bad at ending wobbling with an instant down-smash like Wobbles usually does it. It seems simple enough but I just can't get it with any consistency. Any tips here?

 

[ChivalRuse]

Listen to the rhythm of the tilt and the headbutt. They make distinctly different sounds. Dsmash at the exact time you hear the headbutt (don't pay attention to your timing of pressing A, just use what you hear as the cue). Nana will dsmash instead of tilting.

Works every time.

 

[Nintendude]

I'll try that out. I used to try to figure out which "A" press was corresponding to the tilts and just replace it with c-stick down but it can be really confusing for some reason.

 

[Vanitas]

Random tangent

mehhh so i was experimenting around with the Fly's Dthrow Charged Fsmash Chaingrab on spacies...
I found it cool that after you have dthrowed the spacie and when nana releases her Fsmash, Popo can throw an uncharged smash in there right after she releases it...(of course ending the chaingrab but looks cool)

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Here's a funny thought I had today. People tend to be really bad at teching double fairs for some reason. I bet you could have only Popo L-cancel the fair and then have Popo jab reset, then fair again such that only Popo L-cancels, jab reset, etc. This is easy to escape from, but a single iteration of this followed by a grab could do a lot of damage. I don't know if Popo could fair quickly enough after the jab for this to work, though.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Only have Popo jab? What's detrimental about Nana jabbing too? I guess it would be easier to smash DI, but I was under the impression that quick jabs in succession don't disturb the reset animation.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

You might be right about that. I know there are times when it doesn't hurt to have Nana jab too, like against Fox at low-ish percentages, but I think Nana's jab might cause problems at higher percentages or on floaty characters. I'm not sure since I don't jab reset often.

 

[Vanitas]

What is a good secondary for Ice Climbers?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Fawkes Macleod.

Chic is also pretty good.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Sheik is nice since she is good on a lot of dumb stages and she tends to do well against characters that give ICs a hard time. I also feel like she's considerably easier to use than most other good characters.

 

[Kyu Puff]

So after d-throw -> f-air (assuming no DI) it seems like you can cover two teching options with wavedash or running d-smash (the back hitbox covers no tech/in place and the forward hitbox can hit the tech roll), but I'm expermenting with things like dash forward with Popo -> d-smash with only Nana so that you can regrab if they tech in your direction. It would be nice if someone like Magus could test this and see if it works frame-wise or something.

I think Sheik might be the best secondary now that the cp list is considerably smaller.

 

[Binx]

Fox or Falco is prolly the best character so I think they would be the best secondary, I dunno I do better even vs our "counters" with ICs because I have so much more experience with them.

 

[Kyu Puff]

Fox helps you with Peach, Ganon, Samus, Marth, Jiggs

Sheik helps you with Peach, Ganon, Samus, Marth

I don't think Falco is better than Sheik in any of those match-ups, but really any of these three are useful in any match-up you're not comfortable with (for me Doc and Luigi). Ganon is also a decent secondary; he can work against all of those characters, but he's more liable to get counterpicked himself.

 

[Nintendude]

Went to a regional northeast Melee tourney today (No Johns series). Got like 7th or 9th I'm not sure b/c the full results aren't out yet. But anyway it was my first tourney in like a year and I beasted on almost everyone there. Beat a no name, UltimaScout, lost to DJ Nintendo, beat Banks, wrecked G$, lost to Hax. Also got 4th in teams losing to Hax/Lambchops and Vanz/Tec0 (though we beat them in winners).

Lots of videos got recorded so hopefully you'll all get to see my ICs soon enough.

 

[Vanitas]

ah thanks alot guys!

 

[Kyu Puff]

Went to a regional northeast Melee tourney today (No Johns series). Got like 7th or 9th I'm not sure b/c the full results aren't out yet. But anyway it was my first tourney in like a year and I beasted on almost everyone there. Beat a no name, UltimaScout, lost to DJ Nintendo, beat Banks, wrecked G$, lost to Hax. Also got 4th in teams losing to Hax/Lambchops and Vanz/Tec0 (though we beat them in winners).

Did G$ go Marth? If so I'm looking forward to those videos. I played him earlier this year (or maybe late last year) and managed to take a game off but lost the set. He was really on point with his combos and I never seemed to be able to get momentum, so I wanna see how you do it.

 

[Smasher89]

Random grabthing against peach- Just make a long wavedash through peach, grabbing her in the slide, or if she dodges, you slide out from the area where the dsmash is a threat, offensively safe =) (gets beaten by dsmash though)

 

[Nintendude]

Did G$ go Marth? If so I'm looking forward to those videos. I played him earlier this year (or maybe late last year) and managed to take a game off but lost the set. He was really on point with his combos and I never seemed to be able to get momentum, so I wanna see how you do it.

G$ went Falco this time. I think probably because the last time I played him in tourney he went Marth and I beat him 2-0.

I don't think G$'s Marth is that hard. I played some friendlies against it and what you do is just waveshield towards him. He'll usually d-tilt but your forward momentum will put you in shieldgrab range. Also a good mixup is wd towards him but from a slightly farther distance then immediately roll behind him. idk why but he'll always d-tilt the wrong way or miss an f-smash or something.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Random grabthing against peach- Just make a long wavedash through peach, grabbing her in the slide, or if she dodges, you slide out from the area where the dsmash is a threat, offensively safe =) (gets beaten by dsmash though)

I prefer to run up to Peach and wavedash in place just outside of her dsmash range. Most Peaches react to this with dsmash anyway, and you net a grab. Why play with fire when you can force openings and punish easily?

 

[Niko45]

Yea G's Marth is wack. Nintendude fawkin ***** tho.

 

[Smasher89]

Well, dashing in and grab is VERY dangerous, even if she dsmashes, she often can dsmash again and you´ll lose your Nana for that stock, variation is key though...

 

[ChivalRuse]

If she dsmashes thin air, there's no hitlag to mess up your timing. It's a matter of execution to grab her from there.

 

[otg]

Nintendude's climbers are mad good. We should've MMed before I left the venue yesterday but I was too tired. Our friendlies last week were way too good tho.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes he is mad good lol. xD And his luigi is too ****. xD

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Oh, there's something I forgot to mention earlier. We all know that most of the time when Falcon raptor boosts the front of our shields, we cant shield-grab him. Sometimes we can, but it's hard to say why. I was wondering if we could guarantee a shield-grab with good shield-DI. Like, if Falcon raptor boosts the ICs' shields and we hit both analog sticks towards him while in shield-stun, could that put us close enough to grab him?

 

[Kyu Puff]

I think you can shieldgrab if you fullshield and just tilt the control stick toward (you don't need smash di or anything).

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Tilting the control stick forward while shielding sounds a lot like shield-DI. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you.

 

[Kyu Puff]

It is shield DI, I just mean I don't think you don't have to use both sticks or smash DI (which is what you described).

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Bleh, terminology. Isn't what you're describing just shield ASDI? That's just another form of smash DI. I see what you mean, though.

 

[Kyu Puff]

I'm trying to test it out (raptor boost with my feet) and for some reason it only works part of the time. Is a certain part of the animation push you back further or something? I'm also trying shield asdi down + towards him, and it seems to be working more consistently.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

I don't know why that wouldn't work sometimes. Like I mentioned earlier, sometimes raptor boost can be shield-grabbed, but other times it can't for reasons I'm uncertain of. Could you try regular SDI towards him in addition to the ASDI, too?

 

[ChivalRuse]

Are any aerials oos at SH height (say, nair) viable for punishing raptor boosts on our shields? In the case of fair oos, I feel like he would be able to buffer a roll before it connected.

 

[Kyu Puff]

F-air is the only aerial that is too slow to punish with. B-air is easily the best aerial option, but n-air and even d-air might work (if he's not anticipating it).

 

[Winston]

Could the size of the shield be a factor in whether you can grab it or not?

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Nair-OoS can work sometimes. Nair in general is pretty solid against Falcon since it tends to beat a lot of his aerials, although that's kind of irrelevant to the current discussion and I'm not sure why I'm bothering to include this sentence.

The size of your shield affects how far you slide, so it is a factor. Either that or something else causes problems, but it's definitely a lot harder to punish many things out of a light-shield than out of a regular one.

 

[Binx]

I don't know why that wouldn't work sometimes. Like I mentioned earlier, sometimes raptor boost can be shield-grabbed, but other times it can't for reasons I'm uncertain of. Could you try regular SDI towards him in addition to the ASDI, too?

I think that you have to shield DI but also grab within a specific frame window, my theory is that Falcon has a hitbox after a raptor boost that stays closer to our shield for part of the ending lag of the shielded move. It would be cool if someone could AR this to see if I am right.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

That sounds like it could be the case if you only ASDI towards Falcon based on what Kyu is saying. I think with regular SDI in addition to ASDI, you might be able to circumvent that tiny window (if it exists) entirely and just grab him whenever you want.

 

[PEEF!]

Ive been in FL playing everyone here and wow i have learned alot about myself as a player.

First, about Raptor boost. The reason that sometimes you shieldgrab it and sometimes you dont (assuming no SDI or ASDI) is how depleted your sheild is. If your shield is half depleted or more, you will be able to sheildgrab.

Other than that, I really want to work on this SDI ASDI thing for the raptor, AND for spacie fsmashes on shield.

Several pages back someone made the joke about approaching falco with your back to him because you can bair Fsmashes out of shield. I actually ended up doing that against a falco that was really good at getting me with that fsmash. Just hit him up with that fresh bair.

I did an IC dropzone, both the type I came up with (Dthrow dair> runoff bair) and an actual Sopo Dthrow>runoff fair spike. It was amazing.

I played IC dittoes with Chu in pools and got him to 1 stock both times. Not his best matchup LOL. It was fun.

I learned alot from Uberice who did amazing at this tournament. I am convinced he doesn't like me. IDK its weird. Anyhow, we need to get better at sheildgrabbing with Nana when we get grabbed. I swear Uberice did some amazing stuff with it. I had no idea that if popo gets grabbed and nana is facing the wrong direction and you tell her to shieldgrab, SHE WILL TURN AROUND IN SHIELD in order to grab. Crazy.

 

[Smasher89]

Another shieldthing I´ve heard about that is supposed to work against(atleast as Ganon) falcos dair>shinepressure is tilting the shield upward,and therefore get the possibility to grab him out of it. Can anyone confirm it works for ICs (both sopo and both)?

 

[ChivalRuse]

Peef, do you know if any sets from CEO got recorded? I'm eager to watch Chu and UI vs Darkrain, if possible.