-Sinister-
Smash Ace
yes peef you beat me at hdr (when i was horrible, but nonetheless), so now i'm giving you the chance to show you're still better. take it.
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Vts
Smash Champion
And the call out!
now you gotta accept peef lol
but you guys can decide on the money at the time of the event.
hell i'll even drive to pick either sinister or peef up for a tournament!
For what it's worth, I want to bet too.
And I'm betting on
And I'm betting on
Duke.
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
I need to register for Genesis tomorrow. Hopefully WePay isn't a pain to deal with.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
I didn't have any problems with it. Looking forward to seeing y'all.
Vts
Smash Champion
$70 bones for genesis ew lol
o well money well spent.
just gotta make sure i don't **** up in pools lol
o well money well spent.
just gotta make sure i don't **** up in pools lol
Nintendude
Smash Hero
New videos:
Nintendude (Ice Climbers) vs 7ent (Falcon)
Nintendude (Ice Climbers) vs Chain-Ace (Falco)
Eggm (Fox) vs Nintendude (Ice Climbers)
Nintendude (Ice Climbers) vs StriCNYN3 (Falco)
Linguini (Ganondorf) vs Nintendude (Ice Climbers)
Rest of the vids are here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12936056
Nintendude (Ice Climbers) vs 7ent (Falcon)
Nintendude (Ice Climbers) vs Chain-Ace (Falco)
Eggm (Fox) vs Nintendude (Ice Climbers)
Nintendude (Ice Climbers) vs StriCNYN3 (Falco)
Linguini (Ganondorf) vs Nintendude (Ice Climbers)
Rest of the vids are here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12936056
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Nintendude defeated my Mommy 
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Who is mommy?
I want new KK vids.
=(
I want new KK vids.
=(
choknater
Smash Obsessed
aw man :C close match vs linguini
good stuff nintendude
good stuff nintendude
End of your second match against Linguini you were getting just a bit TOO eager to hit him and finish the game. And the whole game you were doing a really good job of tracking rolls and baiting responses instead of going for the immediate hit... but yeah, when someone is just ONE hit away from losing the last stock it can be really easy to keep going for big swings. Be patient and watch for that, especially against someone like Ganon who can turn a stock around in two good hits.
Sucks he more or less got it off a lucky f-air that split you and Nana when it really shouldn't have hit you
I like your ICs! Pretty smooth, my main complaint is you keep trying d-throw d-air even when the other guy DIs out of it. At low percent against a spacy, you might as well pretend you don't have Nana and go for u-throw -> dash-attack to build a little percent, then go for d-throw d-air when they aren't 100% sure that's your plan, because that should mess up their DI. D-throw->u-smash->regrab is pretty good too because it makes it obvious that "DI'ing away is bad!" and lets you land the next d-throw d-air.
Sucks he more or less got it off a lucky f-air that split you and Nana when it really shouldn't have hit you
I like your ICs! Pretty smooth, my main complaint is you keep trying d-throw d-air even when the other guy DIs out of it. At low percent against a spacy, you might as well pretend you don't have Nana and go for u-throw -> dash-attack to build a little percent, then go for d-throw d-air when they aren't 100% sure that's your plan, because that should mess up their DI. D-throw->u-smash->regrab is pretty good too because it makes it obvious that "DI'ing away is bad!" and lets you land the next d-throw d-air.
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Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
SB, I see you on every character board. Do you main everyone or something? lol.
I´m currently thinking about what is punishable OoS at the moment, I recall reading alot of that stuff a couple of years ago, but cant remember if it were on one or more places. Just in general since I really need to relearn my OoS game again.
Nintendude
Smash Hero
gahhhhhh I lost to jman game 3 again =(
I lost to Zhu game 3 too. I feel like I'm right on the cusp of making a breakout into the upper echelon of players. I just always go toe to toe with the best players and then barely lose.
I lost to Zhu game 3 too. I feel like I'm right on the cusp of making a breakout into the upper echelon of players. I just always go toe to toe with the best players and then barely lose.
It really looks like you are! You've got solid movement and you don't seem to often throw out random moves just hoping that they'll hit. Your main issue is solid punishment and really capitalizing on all your openings. But I can see you cleanly following things logically and soundly so.... keep at it!
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Any IC's going to Genesis 2?
I need to learn/help with the IC's matchup with Yoshi. I've like never played it, and would like to learn it n_n
I need to learn/help with the IC's matchup with Yoshi. I've like never played it, and would like to learn it n_n
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
wtf i thought u quit
smelly liar face
smelly liar face
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
On the contrary, I never said it was for tournament use.. If players ask me for advice, on a specific matchup, I can either
A. Lie
B. Act like I know what I'm talkin about, and give incorrect info, or info I "believe" is correct
C. Learn the MU, and spread the knowledge to those who've been asking
D. Ignore
I'm expanding the Yoshi players, or at least trying to. If you look I'm the only AZ player attending that is NOT entering. This is for more than me, but for the upcoming Yoshi players who will be taking my place/dethroning me/owning me, whichever you wanna call it.. I at least want to help them get there.
I'm going to enjoy the community's company, not to further my own abilities.. If I do though, I suppose that's cool too. n_n
btw, I like the smelly liar face
Will I get to play that Pichu of yours?
Also did you not hear? I have another low tier in the works actually? lol
A. Lie
B. Act like I know what I'm talkin about, and give incorrect info, or info I "believe" is correct
C. Learn the MU, and spread the knowledge to those who've been asking
D. Ignore
I'm expanding the Yoshi players, or at least trying to. If you look I'm the only AZ player attending that is NOT entering. This is for more than me, but for the upcoming Yoshi players who will be taking my place/dethroning me/owning me, whichever you wanna call it.. I at least want to help them get there.
I'm going to enjoy the community's company, not to further my own abilities.. If I do though, I suppose that's cool too. n_n
btw, I like the smelly liar face
Will I get to play that Pichu of yours?
Also did you not hear? I have another low tier in the works actually? lol
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I look forward to seeing that new low tier
And I'm afraid you won't get to see my Pichu, though I'm honored you actually know who I am Maybe if the next Genesis is in Australia...
And I'm afraid you won't get to see my Pichu, though I'm honored you actually know who I am
Maybe if the next Genesis is in Australia...
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Haha, the honor is mine. n_n, and yeah, im not too shabby on people..but I'm off sometimes.I look forward to seeing that new low tier
And I'm afraid you won't get to see my Pichu, though I'm honored you actually know who I am
haha, yeah Australia, I'd be definetely honored to make the trip up there, that'd be splendid!
n_n
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I study frame data, bro. I main every character in frame-by-frame mode.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Well... we do have a major on at the same time as Genesis... come chill with us instead of going there =DHaha, the honor is mine. n_n, and yeah, im not too shabby on people..but I'm off sometimes.
haha, yeah Australia, I'd be definetely honored to make the trip up there, that'd be splendid!
n_n
More realistically, we have a major later in the year (October iirc?) if you post in the thread for "BAM2K11" you might be able to arrange sponsorship or something.
That explains it.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
I'll look into that... Hopefully they can help me out.. send me a link por favor? just promise me, if I do, don't work my Yoshi too badly allrite?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
VirtualVoid
Smash Journeyman
I'm attending.
I would love to play against you, I'm a big fan of fumi and you and actually tried to learn yoshi myself just for the lolz after watching fumi but I could never get confident enough with the techy-risky stuff like ECE.
Why is my board dead?
I DEMAND YOU LIVE AGAIN.
I DEMAND YOU LIVE AGAIN.
Vts
Smash Champion
Your about to read what i wrote in eyegore's voice
But master to bring back the dead would be crazy!
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
I haven't had much to say lately. I've just been preparing for Genesis in my own peculiar way.
Vts
Smash Champion
Been busy also and i'm still not ready for genesis sadly
spending more time with girl than practicing so need to go into crazy training for next 2-3 days to be ready friday lol
spending more time with girl than practicing so need to go into crazy training for next 2-3 days to be ready friday lol
Vts
Smash Champion
Strong zone ground
weak zone aerial movement
ICs are maybe best ground based character only other i can think of would be luigi who amazing on the ground.
we lack over all speed in the air we have it on the ground but we get comboed into the sunset by a lot of people due to our weight
Binx
Smash Master
they are good from below people uair has a lot of priority, also we have good pressure on the back of most characters shields. A lot of characters can outrange us but if you can bait them into making a mistake we can punish huge on ground, if we are on the ground and they are jumping a lot or platform camping a lot we have some safe pressure with uairs as long as your aren't overgreedy.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
De-synced down smashes.
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
Shield pressure is kind of odd, regardless of which way the opponent is facing.
Since you're ICs, your opponent will probably be very grab-averse, so he won't be sitting in his shield often; if he does, just grab him. In most cases, though, it's safe to assume that if your opponent does shield, he won't for a very long time. That said, you'll typically want to figure out how your opponent is going to get out of his shield and punish that instead. Rolls, spot-dodges, and jumps are the standard ways your opponent will try to escape from his shield. The first two can be punished with the grabs and jumps can either be punished with uairs, although just leaving the opponent alone and waiting for a safer opportunity to land a hit is also fine in that case.
However, there are still times when it's good to briefly wail on the opponent's shield. For example, let's say your opponent shields a fair, but is too far to reach with a standing grab immediately afterwards. You could go far a dash-> JC grab, but that's actually pretty slow and probably won't work. You could also simply wait for the opponent's response and punish on reaction, but this can be risky, as characters with good OoS options might be able to hit you pretty quickly, or the opponent could just jump away. A really good option in this case is to jab after the fair; if the opponent spot-dodges, you can hit him afterwards with the second jab, ftilt, or dtilt. If he rolls towards you, you can turn around and grab; if he rolls away, you can chase after him with something like wavedash -> ftilt, or you can just not directly punish him and reposition yourself accordingly. If he does keep shielding, which is the one case where the aforementioned dash grab is a pretty good idea, then the jab hits his shield and he is in an awkward position; if his shield is weak, you might be able to poke him with a dtilt or angled down ftilt. He probably won't continue shielding this long, though; he's already been in his shield a while and the most standard jab follow-up for ICs is grab, so chances are he's going to do something like roll or spot-dodge, both of which are easy to wait for.
That said, you could also follow up the jab with repeated jab-cancels, a la Samus. ICs players tend not to do this pretty often, since our grab is a much stronger mix-up than anything that a character like Samus has in this situation, but it's still reasonably safe provided it's spaced well and it demands precision on the opponent's behalf to safely get away.
Another big time when you might want to continue pressuring a shield after hitting it is when you perform an aerial into a shield against a character with a pretty good, fast OoS attack. If you're potentially vulnerable to this attack, it's often a good idea to try to throw out a jab as quickly as possible; jab comes out a little faster than anything else that ICs can do on the ground does and hence is more likely to beat the OoS attack. If trying something like this sounds a little crazy, it's worth keeping in mind that since Nana acts six frames later than Popo and since the opponent needs to worry about her aerial as well, ICs will actually have frame advantage more often than you might think. If the opponent does get in the habit of shield the jab and then punishing, you can feel free to go for the immediate grab after the aerial instead.
If you only have Popo, the threat of a grab against a lot of characters is significantly diminished. You also don't have the additional pressure of slightly delayed Nana attacks; hence, Popo's ability to pressure a shield is significantly less than that of two ICs. Sopo shield pressure still works very much like pressure with two ICs, but it's a little weaker and you shouldn't expect to have many opportunities to hammer on a shield in the first place. If you do get a shot, you should still be fishing for a grab a lot of the time, though. Popo's grab game is still very good, although not quite as great as the Inuit pair's tricks.
Since you're ICs, your opponent will probably be very grab-averse, so he won't be sitting in his shield often; if he does, just grab him. In most cases, though, it's safe to assume that if your opponent does shield, he won't for a very long time. That said, you'll typically want to figure out how your opponent is going to get out of his shield and punish that instead. Rolls, spot-dodges, and jumps are the standard ways your opponent will try to escape from his shield. The first two can be punished with the grabs and jumps can either be punished with uairs, although just leaving the opponent alone and waiting for a safer opportunity to land a hit is also fine in that case.
However, there are still times when it's good to briefly wail on the opponent's shield. For example, let's say your opponent shields a fair, but is too far to reach with a standing grab immediately afterwards. You could go far a dash-> JC grab, but that's actually pretty slow and probably won't work. You could also simply wait for the opponent's response and punish on reaction, but this can be risky, as characters with good OoS options might be able to hit you pretty quickly, or the opponent could just jump away. A really good option in this case is to jab after the fair; if the opponent spot-dodges, you can hit him afterwards with the second jab, ftilt, or dtilt. If he rolls towards you, you can turn around and grab; if he rolls away, you can chase after him with something like wavedash -> ftilt, or you can just not directly punish him and reposition yourself accordingly. If he does keep shielding, which is the one case where the aforementioned dash grab is a pretty good idea, then the jab hits his shield and he is in an awkward position; if his shield is weak, you might be able to poke him with a dtilt or angled down ftilt. He probably won't continue shielding this long, though; he's already been in his shield a while and the most standard jab follow-up for ICs is grab, so chances are he's going to do something like roll or spot-dodge, both of which are easy to wait for.
That said, you could also follow up the jab with repeated jab-cancels, a la Samus. ICs players tend not to do this pretty often, since our grab is a much stronger mix-up than anything that a character like Samus has in this situation, but it's still reasonably safe provided it's spaced well and it demands precision on the opponent's behalf to safely get away.
Another big time when you might want to continue pressuring a shield after hitting it is when you perform an aerial into a shield against a character with a pretty good, fast OoS attack. If you're potentially vulnerable to this attack, it's often a good idea to try to throw out a jab as quickly as possible; jab comes out a little faster than anything else that ICs can do on the ground does and hence is more likely to beat the OoS attack. If trying something like this sounds a little crazy, it's worth keeping in mind that since Nana acts six frames later than Popo and since the opponent needs to worry about her aerial as well, ICs will actually have frame advantage more often than you might think. If the opponent does get in the habit of shield the jab and then punishing, you can feel free to go for the immediate grab after the aerial instead.
If you only have Popo, the threat of a grab against a lot of characters is significantly diminished. You also don't have the additional pressure of slightly delayed Nana attacks; hence, Popo's ability to pressure a shield is significantly less than that of two ICs. Sopo shield pressure still works very much like pressure with two ICs, but it's a little weaker and you shouldn't expect to have many opportunities to hammer on a shield in the first place. If you do get a shot, you should still be fishing for a grab a lot of the time, though. Popo's grab game is still very good, although not quite as great as the Inuit pair's tricks.
Strong zone grab zone
Weak zone offstage zone.
Yeah IC boards kindof dead. I've been huge into Starcraft 2 recently tryna get good. Played Melee once sober this summer.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
yeah i'm into mvc3 and dungeon fighter online now haha.
i'm still MMing kage at genesis
i'm still MMing kage at genesis
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
so wobbles, idk if you are into chartoons but I remember i really enjoyed your thoughts and reasoning on your flow tag.
that being said, i think you would really enjoy kung fu panda 2. (also since his name is po and we get down with the so po
that being said, i think you would really enjoy kung fu panda 2. (also since his name is po and we get down with the so po
Binx
Smash Master
I've been playing a bunch of sc2 also, less the last few weeks... taking 3 physics courses this summer, I just got to masters with Zerg though which is pretty sweet.
I really, really wish I would have saved enough money to go to genesis.
I really, really wish I would have saved enough money to go to genesis.