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General Final Fantasy Discussion - Final Fantasy XII remake incoming!

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Yeah they were explained, I didn't read the text logs except the first few explaining what the Purge was etc. Everything was explained in numerous cut scenes.

The Fal'Cie were what ran cocoon and supplied everyone with what they needed. The L'Cie were tools of the Pulse Fal'Cie that had to complete their Focus or they would turn into a Cie'th (monster) and be doomed to remember their failure for the rest of their lives living in sorrow and regret.
 

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I think I'm gonna play XIII again.. I really liked it, lol.

XIII-2 got a lot better as it went on. The ending was: DDDDD:!?!?!

That's all I have to say. Can't wait for Lightning Returns! :D
 

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Still don't see how you can play Hallway: the RPG and like it
 

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I didn't really have any issues with it either.

Honestly, I don't know why people are so astonished that XIII was so linear. The Final Fantasy games have always be linear, yes, even the first one. They just took away the illusion of non-linearity in X but for some reason it bothers people in XIII.
 

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XII was pretty open.

With some changes I think it would have been a great direction to take the series. Linearity wasn't the issue for me in XIII though, there were so many other things.
 

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I didn't really have any issues with it either.

Honestly, I don't know why people are so astonished that XIII was so linear. The Final Fantasy games have always be linear, yes, even the first one. They just took away the illusion of non-linearity in X but for some reason it bothers people in XIII.
This sounds like the same argument I heard on GAF and I think it's so so wrong. The older games definitely opened up at a certain point. You're ignoring how many sidequests and events popped up in all the older FFs, and I don't mean just at the very end either.
 

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Who does tons of side quests their first playthrough anyway? The first time I play I usually just rush to finish the story, then I'll go back again and do all the things I missed the first time.

Honestly, I think XIII is going to be XII all over again. Everyone hates it, 10 years later, everyone loves it. I really liked the character development in XIII. It had a lot more depth and reality than other games. The characters were actually relatable. It wasn't a cliche random guy with big sword saves the world game. Square Enix is known to experiment a lot. Granted, this wasn't their best "experiment" but it wasn't dreadful. The gameplay was actually pretty fun. I didn't really mind the hallways, because no matter what people say, X was a hallway with towns. >.>

I DID miss shopping in towns as a little break in between, but it wasn't that big of an issue. If you think about it, towns wouldn't have really fit into the story here. The characters were l'Cie running for their lives.

I also grew to like the difficulty. It wasn't too hard, but wasn't a pushover either. XIII-2 was way too easy. I rarely ever had to paradigm shift, and the battles got really boring and repetative. In XIII, you had to know what you were doing or you got screwed. It was a nice change of pace from the easy games these days.

the only thing XIII could've done better IMO was letting you choose the lead character as early as you got a second party member, and being able to choose everyone's starting class, second class, and third class before they were all available. That way you could make a combo of whatever you wanted/needed.
 

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Who does tons of side quests their first playthrough anyway? The first time I play I usually just rush to finish the story, then I'll go back again and do all the things I missed the first time.
I'm confused. Who said they needed to do a ton of sidequests on their first playthrough? lol
 

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I'm confused. Who said they needed to do a ton of sidequests on their first playthrough? lol
That's what people keep implying.. that they hate XIII because of no side quests. .-.


Anyway, off topic but sort of still on topic:

I'm going to make a female betta fish sorority tank, and I want all of them to have Final Fantasy names. Anyone have good girl FF character names? I'm going blank for some reason.

Also, this is a fun personality quiz I found a long time ago. It's the most accurate one I've taken so far, and doesn't have questions that give away the class it represents, lol. Lot's of results as well!

"What final fantasy class are you in real life?"
http://quizilla.teennick.com/quizze...l-life-mage-warrior-archer-etc-beautiful-pics
 

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About to finish that battle quickly?

Nope! The enemy is no longer staggered, time to start over!

:mad088:

There's a lot of other things, more nitpicky, but I just couldn't finish it. The story wasn't working for me either.
 

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The biggest problem for XIII for me (personally) was mostly the pacing along with the story. While I do admit that X feels restricted somewhat, there were two factors that made me like it more. The story was good, which was a good motivator to make me get from point A to point B, and the pacing of the gameplay/story was nice as well.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I would've enjoyed XIII more if they at least tweaked some things. Half of the game felt like a tutorial, and I wish they would've loosened up. I wasn't able to customize anything for half of the game. If they had half of the members on Pulse and the other half on Cocoon, I would've liked it. I'm not a hater, but besides graphics, there isn't anything that would make me put XIII ahead of any of the other FFs.
 

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The biggest problem for XIII for me (personally) was mostly the pacing along with the story. While I do admit that X feels restricted somewhat, there were two factors that made me like it more. The story was good, which was a good motivator to make me get from point A to point B, and the pacing of the gameplay/story was nice as well.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I would've enjoyed XIII more if they at least tweaked some things. Half of the game felt like a tutorial, and I wish they would've loosened up. I wasn't able to customize anything for half of the game. If they had half of the members on Pulse and the other half on Cocoon, I would've liked it. I'm not a hater, but besides graphics, there isn't anything that would make me put XIII ahead of any of the other FFs.
I agree with you entirely. I played through the 360 version and the entirety of the first two disks just feel like one big tutorial for when you get to Gran Pulse. I also agree with you on the pacing, the whole game had a sort of go-go-go pacing to it and it never really let up on that or gave you room to breathe.

While I think that people really over exaggerate XIII's flaws I personally think it's one of the weaker games in the series.
 

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So X-2 is also getting a HD Remaster. It'll be on the same disc as FFX for the PS3. It's also coming to Vita, but those do not come on the same cart.
 

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I agree with Lythy, except for the part about XIII. I can't really say anything one way or the other because I haven't played it yet. X-2 was godawful in every other respect, aside from the pretty-pretty dress-up battle system.

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X-2 was actually one of my favourites DX.
Aside from the girl power and Real Emotion I found it really enjoyable, definitely more so than X.
The battle system was one of my favourites in a Final Fantasy.
 

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If said rumor is true is anyone really surprised that VersusXIII may be renamed to FFXV? Because I'm really not. On the offhand, the numbers are starting to get ridiculous. Maybe Square should just drop numbers and start using subtitles. And who at Square thought it would be a good idea to make two main series entries MMORPGs?

Alternatively, it could be a rumor started by jelly PS fanboys who didn't want FF to go multiplatform.
 

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They renamed Agito XIII.

Then we never got it outside of Japan. :mad088:

I guess I wouldn't be too surprised if Versus XIII becomes XV.
 

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I think we even had a small discussion here about predicting they'd do this... seems like everyone got it right... lol.

Tomorrow the PS4 is speculated to be revealed. It makes me wonder if Versus XIII will still come out on PS3 or if Square will decide to make it a PS4 title.

Or, you know, if it comes out at all.
I have a feeling that it's moved to PS4, and that we'll get news of it sometime this year.
On top of that, I doubt we'll see another main series Final Fantasy for a while, given how they're still busy with Versus XIII, XIV, and XIII-3. I'll only start getting pissed if they ninja the mentioned games as exclusives for the PS4. Other than that, I'm not too worried myself.
 

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Well... the site is known to be pretty accurate a lot of the time... They got the PS4 specs and controller spot on...
I wouldn't be that surprised if they just retooled VS XIII to be XV. If I recall ages ago someone made a post in this thread speculating just that.

I guess Square decided to drop the whole "FFXIII IZ EVERYTHING FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS" after the mixed reception the games got. I'm surprised Square hasn't gone the reboot route yet and made a new game just called Final Fantasy.
 

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Considering the FF series is rarely connected between games, I don't see any reason to reboot it.

That and it would make things very confusing when Square is ready to rerelease the first FF again.
 

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Considering the FF series is rarely connected between games, I don't see any reason to reboot it.

That and it would make things very confusing when Square is ready to rerelease the first FF again.
I only say this because it seems to be the popular thing to do with failing franchises these days.

Not that Final Fantasy is failing, but rather that some people think that it's not the series that it used to be. I disagree with many of these people.
 

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You really count Tactics Advanced and Grimoire of the Rift as legit sequels, Finalark? xD I didn't like those games very much. The seemingly arbitrary Judgment system (or whatever it was called), coupled with the really bad story (especially Grimoire of the Rift), killed those games for me.

I'm sooooooooo salty about that Vagrant Story rumor. One of my all-time favorite RPGs is forever stuck without a direct sequel. ;~;

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I haven't played any of the other Tactics games. I just know that Matsuno only worked on the first one, so I haven't been motivated to play any of the others.
 

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You really count Tactics Advanced and Grimoire of the Rift as legit sequels, Finalark? xD I didn't like those games very much. The seemingly arbitrary Judgment system (or whatever it was called), coupled with the really bad story (especially Grimoire of the Rift), killed those games for me.
Na, I was just pointing out that there's technically other Tactics games besides the first one. I haven't played Grimoire but I'm really not motivated to after replaying Tactics Advance. I have no idea what the hell they were on when they made that game but they should stop.

Also, IDK if it's in the other games but Reflex is the most BS ability ever.

I'm sooooooooo salty about that Vagrant Story rumor. One of my all-time favorite RPGs is forever stuck without a direct sequel. ;~;

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I've never played Vagrant Story, but I've been meaning to get around to it. It genuinely looks like something I'd enjoy.
 

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Play Tactics Ogre if you haven't already. My first SRPG ever and one of my faves. Same team that went on to make the first Tactics.
Tactics Ogre is SUCH a good game and I used to rent it all the time in 7th grade and bought it on eBay years back. Unfortunately, I don't still have it because I sold it and some other games in the fall for extra money for when I went to T13. Fortunately, I still have the GBA Tactics Ogre game though, as well as Vanguard Bandits and the awesomeness that is Front Mission 3.
 

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FFX HD screenshots are out, and you can find them at various sites. The game looks really nice, and the PS3 one is retailing for 39.99. No preorder page for the Vita version yet on Amazon though. We're also getting the International versions.
 
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