Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I think you have a legit point. But I don't get why FF has to compete with eachother? There all made by the same company, why can't we just enjoy their work?
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General Final Fantasy Discussion - Final Fantasy XII remake incoming!
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finalark
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Pretty much. For me, well, let's get one thing straight: I did not play Final Fantasy VII when it first came out. I played it in 2005 and had played numerous other JRPGs before it. So to me it just came off as another JRPG, nothing special. And I guess it just bugs me that to what is a simply average JRPG gets more praise then some much better ones that deserve some notice.
Interesting allegory.
If you're implying that sales = quality then I'm sorry but that is just not true at all.
If you're saying that the franchise's insane success has gotten to the heads of it's fans then I agree with you.
Elaborate.
From what I've heard, Final Fantasy XIII say's "hi."
Because even back then I thought it was average and things don't always age well. Plus as you get older you opinions and interests change.
I can tell you right now that there are easily dozens of games I enjoyed as a kid that I went back and played and didn't like.
When you're talking about games you played when you were younger, nostalgia has everything to do with it. If something created enough good memories it will affect how you see it, turning what would normally be garbage by today's standards into a "classic" (I'm looking at you, Goldeneye). An example from my own experience: When I got my PlayStation 1 many years ago I got the original Crash Bandicoot along with it. I played the hell out of that game and loved every second of it. Sadly, my copy broke and I could never find another one until a few years ago when I got it for cheap from a used games store. I popped it into my PS2 and after about an hour of denial I realized that the game was crap. Game play? Stiff and boring. Level design? Bland and uninspired. Graphics? Ugly as hell.
You have a pretty legitimate point, here.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM!!!
◎you can't accept polygonal graphics
◎you diden't play ffVII when you were young meaning you were prolly expecting more from it
◎and your being iggnorent...
ffXIII did suck but it wasent baad it just dident desearve "final fantasy" in its name
and we must "compete" over which ones better because either one did stand out in our childhood OR we acually found it un-questionablly great
◎you can't accept polygonal graphics
◎you diden't play ffVII when you were young meaning you were prolly expecting more from it
◎and your being iggnorent...
ffXIII did suck but it wasent baad it just dident desearve "final fantasy" in its name
and we must "compete" over which ones better because either one did stand out in our childhood OR we acually found it un-questionablly great
finalark
SNORLAX
Of course! This explains why Metal Gear Solid, the original Spyro trilogy and Final Fantasy IX are some of my favorite games! It's because I hate polygonal graphics!
This is partially true. I was expecting a deep and well-written story along with immersive game play. Didn't get either.
Elaborate.
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
This thread is going down the pits... can we stop this "discussion"?
Why must everytime something FF related comes up, it becomes an arguement?
Why must everytime something FF related comes up, it becomes an arguement?
Black Waltz
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so basically you're saying "FFVII is the best because I played it when I was a kid and my opinion is only one that matters."
EDIT: @Sephiroths Masamune: discussions always go downhill because a kid with a big head thinks his word is law.
EDIT: @Sephiroths Masamune: discussions always go downhill because a kid with a big head thinks his word is law.
finalark
SNORLAX
Um, so yeah. Sorry for sort of starting this "debate" in the first place.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
This.This thread is going down the pits... can we stop this "discussion"?
We have 14 FF games and then some. Each of them excel at different things while some are weak in some areas. With more than 14 games, there are bound to be some that we might not enjoy as much as others.
And lol Seph. I think we need something FF related to make this topic stay afloat.
But I get what you meant.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
cloud vs squall vs tidus
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Really? Do you really want to do this?
*sigh*
Ok, I'm not sure what type of "VS" you want to do with this, but in terms of popularity we already know who wins. In terms of power/skill I would say Cloud, but thats just me. If your talking about Dissidia, then Squall wins.
*sigh*
Ok, I'm not sure what type of "VS" you want to do with this, but in terms of popularity we already know who wins. In terms of power/skill I would say Cloud, but thats just me. If your talking about Dissidia, then Squall wins.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
im talking all out skill *not dissadia*
finalark
SNORLAX
I'm just gonna say that it all depends on what build you're using. In that case, probably Squall because if I recall you can do some insane stuff with the very odd (and exploitable) junction system.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
but cloud took out sepheroth...
Kuraudo
4Aerith
@ Black Waltz
If that was directed at me, then please don't be so quick to make assumptions like that. I said at the beginning of my rant, different strokes for different blokes. People are entitled to their own opinion. It just saddens me that one of my favorite games gets the heat that it does for the proven reasons, that's all.
Basically what I'm saying is, "My first Final Fantasy game was Final Fantasy X, it got me into RPG games, I then played Final Fantasy VII in Junior High and absolutely loved it to bits. The compilation that followed and expanded on that world made it even better. FYI, this is my opinion and I think it rocks." I like to talk a lot, but I'm not someone with a big head who thinks his word is law.
Also, Final Fantasy XIII was a worthy title in the series, also in my personal opinion. I could elaborate on why XIII felt great to me, even a touch big nostalgic in how it played, but I've explained myself time and time again, only to get answers such as "the characters suck" or "the story was bland" without any further reasoning.
...
Screw it, elaborations. Final Fantasy X anybody? That game was ridiculously linear and yet it's praised greatly by those with the opinion of it being awesome (myself included.) Any Final Fantasy game in general. A lot of JRPGs in general. The story is linear in that there's little exploration and not much else to do outside of talking to NPC characters and sidequests for that special weapon. What's there to do when you explore? Find absolutely nothing but marvel at the view that we get in a more straightforward game anyway? In the end you're always going to get back on track. They rely on us to go through and see more of what happens instead of making this game our own. We just get the side-games/quests and gameplay. They tell us a story and they want us to listen to it. Final Fantasy XIII is no different.
Now why I think the characters are awesome? It's the sharp contrast between them all despite working towards the same goal. I find characters like Sazh and Vanille to be rather engaging, though most if not all of the cast appeals to me in their own special way. Lightning is one of the strongest women-figures in the Final Fantasy series we've seen. That's what we need in main characters I feel. Snow just amuses me for how ridiculously shonen-heroic he is. I can go down the line on my reasons.
I think this kind of discussion is good and is just a debate. Now that being said, everything that I've said just now (REMINDER since some like to think I feel my opinion is absolute), OPINION. lol All I want in return is that if someone's gonna slam something, give elaborations on those reasons. It's just tiring to hear it over and over again without reasonings, instead of just wanting something to fight against because it's there. On touchy subjects like this I feel that it is wrong to have an absolute answer of your own when it truly stems down to opinions in the end.
That's how I feel about everything that goes on with video games. That's how I feel about the kind of heat VII can get. The kind of stuff that VIII gets slammed for. No one has to like everything and I understand that, but I like an answer to a simple question so I can be content with what someone says. "Why?"
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Now that that's off my chest?
Tough call. Tidus breaks 9,999 damage with his moves and can go multiple times thanks to exploiting quick-hit and whatnot. But Cloud has the hero drink/whatevs method of constantly using Omnislash over and over and over again until a boss is killed. Squall I don't know as much about but I know he has a way of using Renzokuken/Lionheart over and over too.
If that was directed at me, then please don't be so quick to make assumptions like that. I said at the beginning of my rant, different strokes for different blokes. People are entitled to their own opinion. It just saddens me that one of my favorite games gets the heat that it does for the proven reasons, that's all.
Basically what I'm saying is, "My first Final Fantasy game was Final Fantasy X, it got me into RPG games, I then played Final Fantasy VII in Junior High and absolutely loved it to bits. The compilation that followed and expanded on that world made it even better. FYI, this is my opinion and I think it rocks." I like to talk a lot, but I'm not someone with a big head who thinks his word is law.
Also, Final Fantasy XIII was a worthy title in the series, also in my personal opinion. I could elaborate on why XIII felt great to me, even a touch big nostalgic in how it played, but I've explained myself time and time again, only to get answers such as "the characters suck" or "the story was bland" without any further reasoning.
...
Screw it, elaborations. Final Fantasy X anybody? That game was ridiculously linear and yet it's praised greatly by those with the opinion of it being awesome (myself included.) Any Final Fantasy game in general. A lot of JRPGs in general. The story is linear in that there's little exploration and not much else to do outside of talking to NPC characters and sidequests for that special weapon. What's there to do when you explore? Find absolutely nothing but marvel at the view that we get in a more straightforward game anyway? In the end you're always going to get back on track. They rely on us to go through and see more of what happens instead of making this game our own. We just get the side-games/quests and gameplay. They tell us a story and they want us to listen to it. Final Fantasy XIII is no different.
Now why I think the characters are awesome? It's the sharp contrast between them all despite working towards the same goal. I find characters like Sazh and Vanille to be rather engaging, though most if not all of the cast appeals to me in their own special way. Lightning is one of the strongest women-figures in the Final Fantasy series we've seen. That's what we need in main characters I feel. Snow just amuses me for how ridiculously shonen-heroic he is. I can go down the line on my reasons.
I think this kind of discussion is good and is just a debate. Now that being said, everything that I've said just now (REMINDER since some like to think I feel my opinion is absolute), OPINION. lol All I want in return is that if someone's gonna slam something, give elaborations on those reasons. It's just tiring to hear it over and over again without reasonings, instead of just wanting something to fight against because it's there. On touchy subjects like this I feel that it is wrong to have an absolute answer of your own when it truly stems down to opinions in the end.
That's how I feel about everything that goes on with video games. That's how I feel about the kind of heat VII can get. The kind of stuff that VIII gets slammed for. No one has to like everything and I understand that, but I like an answer to a simple question so I can be content with what someone says. "Why?"
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Now that that's off my chest?
Tough call. Tidus breaks 9,999 damage with his moves and can go multiple times thanks to exploiting quick-hit and whatnot. But Cloud has the hero drink/whatevs method of constantly using Omnislash over and over and over again until a boss is killed. Squall I don't know as much about but I know he has a way of using Renzokuken/Lionheart over and over too.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
XIII wasent really a jrpg in my eyes though it was more of a action adventure to me...
*square enix was talking about final fantasy XV and it sounds like a movie...*
id have to side with...
TIDUS
*square enix was talking about final fantasy XV and it sounds like a movie...*
id have to side with...
TIDUS
Kuraudo
4Aerith
In the end, what defines a JRPG though?
Basically put, it's an RPG game that comes from Japan. It comes in all sorts of forms.
Basically put, it's an RPG game that comes from Japan. It comes in all sorts of forms.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
but its just not the same and isent like what im used to... i hate it ANYWAYS final fantasy 6 is the best... it should be remade
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Super Mario Galaxy isn't the same and isn't what people are used to. But in the end, hey, you didn't like it. If you want the same old same old, nothing wrong with that. Something familiar can be good in large doses for some.
[EDIT]
Like me. XD; I mean, a lot of the Final Fantasy series was the same and I ate it up like crazy.
[EDIT]
Like me. XD; I mean, a lot of the Final Fantasy series was the same and I ate it up like crazy.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
That's pretty cool. It had a lot of nice draws. Me, I just couldn't get into the battle system for that game. I'll probably try again soon though.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
the original battle systems were perfect...
Black Waltz
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Then go back, play the old ones and ignore all the new ones because you'll probably hate them anyways.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
... maybe i will...
Wrath`
Smash Master
And to each their own.
Anyone ever go back an re play a FF game and realize how bad you did the first time you played it? This happened to me in FFXII, I remember the first time i played it I was horrible under leveled and poor. Now as I am at the Ridoras Cataract I have great equipment and have decent money ect..
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
well i dont mind the whole real time im jumping around doing flips and **** of ffXII but i think its more stradegy based in turn based games and real time turn based... without that its not as... final fantasy-y
Black Waltz
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That's what happened to me when I played FFIX. I bought it when it first came out, got stuck in Oelivert because I misread the warning beforehand about magic being nullified in Oelivert and brought all my magic users.
Three years later I restarted the game and beat it with ease. Even killed Ozma (though that boss fight was a *****).
finalark
SNORLAX
Same exact thing happened to me too.
And for some reason I was always really bad at FFXII. I guess it's probably just the license board. I disliked it so much that I pretty much ended up neglecting it. Oh well, I have a week off soon so I'll probably try to actually finish the game.
Minato
穏やかじゃない
License Board isn't too hard if you know what you're doing. Just save up your LP for Quickenings, Magic Lores, and stuff like that. Anything around that area since they help keep you alive longer and kill things faster. I rarely went for equipment.
finalark
SNORLAX
I'll probably be better at it this time around. Ever since it came out in '06 I've gotten so much better and making builds and the like.
Wrath`
Smash Master
When you get to the Ozmone plains it is easy to harvest LP on the Giant werewolf baddies as they give 2LP, also when you get to the Vierra village you can buy the accessory that gives double LP, so rare game/marks that give in the 10-20LP are worth even more.
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
final fantasy XIII is nothing like the original concept of final fantasy I-IX
it focused on being more of a movie than being a game all the battles were easy because once you scan most of your enemys they pretty much just... die its pathedic it takes zero thought exept on bosses the game engine isent the same the game was so linear that there wasent really anything to explore the plot wasent to bad but they DEFFINATLLY ruined the idea of final fantasy it isent a role playing game i dident choose what i wanted to do i watched and pressed x and r1 &r2 the WHOLE time it was aggravating
i want to think when i play a rpg and i want to feel as if i have the role of controlling my character... if final fantasy XV isent good i give up on them... *XIV will be online*
XIII is for noobs who dont know how to think when they play a video game
examples:
halo
call of duty
guitar hero
nascar...
it focused on being more of a movie than being a game all the battles were easy because once you scan most of your enemys they pretty much just... die its pathedic it takes zero thought exept on bosses the game engine isent the same the game was so linear that there wasent really anything to explore the plot wasent to bad but they DEFFINATLLY ruined the idea of final fantasy it isent a role playing game i dident choose what i wanted to do i watched and pressed x and r1 &r2 the WHOLE time it was aggravating
i want to think when i play a rpg and i want to feel as if i have the role of controlling my character... if final fantasy XV isent good i give up on them... *XIV will be online*
XIII is for noobs who dont know how to think when they play a video game
examples:
halo
call of duty
guitar hero
nascar...
finalark
SNORLAX
Then go play a western RPG.
I laugh at the concept of concept of FPS' taking no thought, same with rhythm games. Although I don't know crap about racing so I won't saying anything abut NASCAR.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
Wow. Insulting little prick aren't you. /mad lol
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
im just saying final fantasy is not final fantasy anymore its slowley getting seperated from its roots and isent really "final fantasy" its more like a movie and have you guys even heard about their ideas for final fantasy XV?
its the most degrading thing they could do in my eyes they are seriouslly making it into a movie and if you look away the game pauses ITS STUPID they even said contollers wont be needed so how is this a role playing game?
more of a action cinematic film game...
it is heavy rain...
its the most degrading thing they could do in my eyes they are seriouslly making it into a movie and if you look away the game pauses ITS STUPID they even said contollers wont be needed so how is this a role playing game?
more of a action cinematic film game...
it is heavy rain...
finalark
SNORLAX
Final Fantasy, or rather, JRPGs in general have slowly been becoming more and more like little linear movies taking flashy set pieces and graphics over game play ever since FFVII.
Link?
Have you even played Heavy Rain?
Scratch that, are you even old enough to play Heavy Rain?
LASHING_LEAF
Smash Journeyman
yeah im 16 dude... and im saying heavy rain is litterally the future of final fantasy... just more linear and more fighting...
and im on a wii i cant link
and im on a wii i cant link
Black Waltz
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LASHING_LEAF
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no im not mad?
and i got a perfect example here... HALO a very very over-rated game it really wasent anything to speical just your average fps with online options so what your saying is that it would be okay if halo got a spin off series that was all cartoony and made for kids then the main series continued and it goes from fps to a puzzle game and hardley has any shooting whatsoever and zero online features
it would be wrong...
and i got a perfect example here... HALO a very very over-rated game it really wasent anything to speical just your average fps with online options so what your saying is that it would be okay if halo got a spin off series that was all cartoony and made for kids then the main series continued and it goes from fps to a puzzle game and hardley has any shooting whatsoever and zero online features
it would be wrong...
finalark
SNORLAX
Someone here doesn't know **** about gaming history.
And there are a ton of series that have made spin-offs targeted at a younger audience. Like, oh, I don't know.... Final Fantasy?
You know, it's not like each Final Fantasy isn't radically different from each other or anything (aside from a few of the earlier titles).