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Ganonic Grimoire (Social) - Commiseration and Hierarchy

Zeallyx

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I've got a friend who's got a review copy of it. It's released before so magazines can write their columns and reports. He already finished that and then he borrowed me. It takes up to 5 hours to finish it without taking all the Power Ups.

Also, Z1g. Totally forgot about the collapsible tag =\
Sorry if I ruined the game. :(
But, like every other review, you shouldn't give up on playing it because of someone else's opinion.
I'm not getting it anymore.

Great, now I can spend those 60 bucks on a pedicure. .. :bee:
 

fromundaman

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Wow... Now I play Bowser a little bit (very little, admittedly. Only in friendlies.), and he's a bad character, but 2nd to worse? What?
Also, Mr. Eh's post was pretty awesome.
Personally, I think Bowser should be near the top of low tiers. His jab, fortress, aerial grab, grab releases, and good killing options along with his weight make him better than a large portion of the other low tiers.

That being said, I think low tiers need to be redone. I don't think Link or Zelda (especially Link) are SO bad as to be 2nd and 3rd worst, although I admit that I'm not really sure who should be. Yoshi also seems too high to me (His shield wrecks an otherwise decent character.), as is CF (Ally is amazing with him, but I attribute that moreso to the player than the character.).


Verm, that picture is amazing.
 

PK-ow!

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Wow... Now I play Bowser a little bit (very little, admittedly. Only in friendlies.), and he's a bad character, but 2nd to worse? What?
Also, Mr. Eh's post was pretty awesome.
Personally, I think Bowser should be near the top of low tiers. His jab, fortress, aerial grab, grab releases, and good killing options along with his weight make him better than a large portion of the other low tiers.

That being said, I think low tiers need to be redone. I don't think Link or Zelda (especially Link) are SO bad as to be 2nd and 3rd worst, although I admit that I'm not really sure who should be. Yoshi also seems too high to me (His shield wrecks an otherwise decent character.), as is CF (Ally is amazing with him, but I attribute that moreso to the player than the character.).

No, Link definitely IS that bad.
You think he has better strengths than he really does. There is next to no reward for using him. It's all a clown show to use the items and sword to not get curbstomped. Ooh, if you're lucky, you get a bounce combo that leads into... an Fsmash to ledge guard? Or a freeze glitch you have to "capitalize on timely" (read: don't screw up any bomb shenanigans to max this out, scrub).

And he *cannot* beat MK without unusual stage features.


Zelda can climb a lot. She's way better than a character that can't kill, can't hurt, and can't hit anything.
Samus, Puff, Falcon
Actually, Puff is probably still better than her, so that says where Zelda's garb starts.

It's Ganon, Link, Falcon -> next tier is Samus, probably Bowser, then maybe other garb characters, and Zelda, then Puff. Then the actual bottom tier (not lolling), then low tier. EDIT: No, wait, switch Samus and Falcon, and put them both in Ganon tier.

:'(


*~*~*~
I was worried that pic seemed a bit like blasphemy... putting Ganon heads on a pic is one thing, but pasting over Ganon's head?
But then I saw the avatar.

I must have been confused. Putting Ganon's head over a picture of Ganon... nothing wrong here. _\0_o/_

... I'm doing that smiley wrong. How do I make bars?
 

fromundaman

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@PK-ow: Don't get me wrong, Link is a garb character, but 2nd worst? I think not. Probably more like 5th or so.

Also, I think Puff is one of the better low tiers TBH, along with Mario, Yoshi and Bowser.
 

Zeallyx

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@PK-ow: Don't get me wrong, Link is a garb character, but 2nd worst? I think not. Probably more like 5th or so.

Also, I think Puff is one of the better low tiers TBH, along with Mario, Yoshi and Bowser.
Then who is second worst in your opinion?
 

Bahamut777

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I'll update all the discussion posts by friday if everything (work affairs) goes the way I want.

BTW
You all know I love you guys, right?
 

Dumbfire

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Yes, yes we do. In fact I think you told us before LOL.
Sorry Im less active school and stuff started again and I suck.
 

DLA

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Hold Shift and press \

Also, +1 internets to whoever can guess who my avatar is.

Dr. Chaotica from Star Trek Voyager.

Hmm what am I going to do with all of these internets....
 

fromundaman

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Then who is second worst in your opinion?
That's a tough one... Problem is all the low tiers tend to be clumped together and seem interchangeable to a certain extent, but I see it as Ganon, Falcon, Samus, Zelda, Link as Bottom 5, with Samus, Link and Zelda interchangeable. IDK, Ally does good with Falcon I admit, but I think that's more of how good the player is than the character, and I've yet to see another player capable of convincing me that Falcon isn't THAT bad. That being said, every player is biased one way or another, so I'm not going to pretend my list is absolute truth or anything.
 

Zeallyx

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That's a tough one... Problem is all the low tiers tend to be clumped together and seem interchangeable to a certain extent, but I see it as Ganon, Falcon, Samus, Zelda, Link as Bottom 5, with Samus, Link and Zelda interchangeable. IDK, Ally does good with Falcon I admit, but I think that's more of how good the player is than the character, and I've yet to see another player capable of convincing me that Falcon isn't THAT bad. That being said, every player is biased one way or another, so I'm not going to pretend my list is absolute truth or anything.
Quite a good point imo.
 

seaDORF

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Backkkk from my 14 day ban. Didn't lurk the boards much during that time. Instead of going thru a billion threads, can someone summarise what's happened?
 

Supreme Dirt

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It just occurred to me we have some pesky high tiers patrolling these boards.

So, next MU discussion, let's do it right here right now.

Nolimar MU. I give it 70:30 Ganondorf. We counter him, but it's not unwinnable for him.
 

fromundaman

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It just occurred to me we have some pesky high tiers patrolling these boards.

So, next MU discussion, let's do it right here right now.

Nolimar MU. I give it 70:30 Ganondorf. We counter him, but it's not unwinnable for him.
To quote a BBR discussion post:


I think Ganon does a fairly splendid job at choking Olimar, and it's really impossible to DI out of dsmash, MU is even.
:laugh:
 

Supreme Dirt

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Ah, so even with Pikmin. Then let me revamp that matchup. Clearly, as the BBR has infinite wisdom, if Olimar has a 50:50 MU and we consider it a 90:10 at the absolute best, then adjusting my MU for Nolimar we have a 110:-10 Ganondorf. Vocal better get in here and add to this.
 
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