Ganondorf

[TeamFlareZakk]

It's underwhelming compared to what it could be is what I mean. Of course one sword would still be great, but imagine Grievous with only one lightsaber. It's just not the same. Of course you're free to think that would be fine, I'm just trying to get people to see what I'm imagining.

Also, yes, I was refering to the OoT Ganon battle as well.

Ganondorf is not Grievous.

I'd rather the double sword thing be saved for the final smash, in which is of course Ganon, the chances are Boar Ganon could be replaced with a different Ganon, and it's probably going to be OoT Ganon, if anything in whom had the double sword thing.

Although they could always use Emboar since he's the most recent Ganon.

I didn't really know how to explain the sword moves, but @SuperLittleTY pretty much showed what I was getting at.

 

[Kamiko]

Ganondorf is not Grievous.

They're both large and imposing masters of the blade. I don't really see what's wrong with comparing them. Either one using a single one-handed weapon would be severely limiting both their intimidation factor as well as their potential to offensively overwhelm their opponents.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

We shouldn't come to expect it, though. A majority of us thought for sure he'd be completely declone'd in Brawl, and you can see how well that went for us.

Try not to double post, btw.

Srry its never intentional when i do.

 

[JamesDNaux]

It's underwhelming compared to what it could be is what I mean. Of course one sword would still be great, but imagine Grievous with only one lightsaber. It's just not the same. Of course you're free to think that would be fine, I'm just trying to get people to see what I'm imagining.

Also, yes, I was refering to the OoT Ganon battle as well.

Grievous is that robot guy with four arms right? That's not comparable to Ganondorf at all, if anything Darth Vader would be a better comparison. And it certainly isn't underwhelming, you said that he "preferred" two swords when the opposite is true, he is mostly seen with a single sword/trident. I don't see how having a single sword can be any more underwhelming than what we already have in the first place. More isn't better anyway, what would two swords accomplish better than one in an environment like Smash? Of course there's nothing wrong with two swords, but it's just wrong to say that he should do it.

 

[SuperSmashBrother]

Now that Link and Zelda from Ssb4 are the ones from Twilight Princess, he should be returning. I mean who doesn't want to see one of the greatest villains Nintendo has to offer smashing other characters from other franchises.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Now that Link and Zelda from Ssb4 are the ones from Twilight Princess, he should be returning. I mean who doesn't want to see one of the greatest villains Nintendo has to offer smashing other characters from other franchises.

Yeah, I totally agree, it's just the matter of when he's being revealed, I'm really eager to see him.

 

[Kamiko]

Grievous is that robot guy with four arms right? That's not comparable to Ganondorf at all, if anything Darth Vader would be a better comparison. And it certainly isn't underwhelming, you said that he "preferred" two swords when the opposite is true, he is mostly seen with a single sword/trident. I don't see how having a single sword can be any more underwhelming than what we already have in the first place. More isn't better anyway, what would two swords accomplish better than one in an environment like Smash? Of course there's nothing wrong with two swords, but it's just wrong to say that he should do it.

I take it you don't know much about Grievous. He's not a robot. He was once completely organic and came from a warrior race. Sounds a little familiar. I don't see how they're incomparable, but fine. We'll use Cervantes instead. Imagine Cervantes using only one of his swords. Maybe you'd prefer that, but he just wouldn't feel all that threatening to me.

Please keep in mind that Ganondorf has only used a single sword once, and that it wasn't even his own weapon. It seemed to me that he took it as sort of a trophy (which Grievous does, by the way). Being the weapon that was meant to kill him, he used it as a way of showing that it was useless to oppose him. Meanwhile, both of the times he's been forced to fight seriously out of desperation, he used two swords. This fits in with dual blades being a staple of the Gerudo elite. As Ganon, yes, he HAS used a trident the most. That's why I didn't ask about it, even if it's not what I'd prefer. I still think it wouldn't be that great on Ganondorf though.

And I don't have a problem with people wanting a single sword, I just want to know where that's coming from. If it's just because you like it, then that's fine. Just say that. But I keep seeing people say Ganondorf should use "his sword", obviously refering to either Twilight Princess or his taunt. Which makes me think they don't even know the character.

 

[Man Li Gi]

I take it you don't know much about Grievous. He's not a robot. He was once completely organic and came from a warrior race. Sounds a little familiar. I don't see how they're incomparable, but fine. We'll use Cervantes instead. Imagine Cervantes using only one of his swords. Maybe you'd prefer that, but he just wouldn't feel all that threatening to me.

Please keep in mind that Ganondorf has only used a single sword once, and that it wasn't even his own weapon. It seemed to me that he took it as sort of a trophy (which Grievous does, by the way). Being the weapon that was meant to kill him, he used it as a way of showing that it was useless to oppose him. Meanwhile, both of the times he's been forced to fight seriously out of desperation, he used two swords. This fits in with dual blades being a staple of the Gerudo elite. As Ganon, yes, he HAS used a trident the most. That's why I didn't ask about it, even if it's not what I'd prefer. I still think it wouldn't be that great on Ganondorf though.

And I don't have a problem with people wanting a single sword, I just want to know where that's coming from. If it's just because you like it, then that's fine. Just say that. But I keep seeing people say Ganondorf should use "his sword", obviously refering to either Twilight Princess or his taunt. Which makes me think they don't even know the character.

Ganondorf's most recent appearance before SSBB was TP. TP was well received (even a taunt deriving from the game was included, c'mon), first time since WW people felt a good sword fight. Dual blade is good, but it would limit him to primarily using sword attacks (no magic or fist combat). Also, wielding two blades sounds awfully awkward when picking items up. Though I first wanted his trident, the trident has only appeared in his pig form (Ganon). Also the variability is limited compared to a sword. Yes impaling an opponent with a massive trident is cool, but not enough variation since this is Sakurai, he could make thing happen. I know Dragmire good and well sir, you sounded quite condescending on the last paragraph, so I hope my retortion should suffice.

 

[Cobalsh]

Ganondorf's most recent appearance before SSBB was TP. TP was well received (even a taunt deriving from the game was included, c'mon), first time since WW people felt a good sword fight. Dual blade is good, but it would limit him to primarily using sword attacks (no magic or fist combat). Also, wielding two blades sounds awfully awkward when picking items up. Though I first wanted his trident, the trident has only appeared in his pig form (Ganon). Also the variability is limited compared to a sword. Yes impaling an opponent with a massive trident is cool, but not enough variation since this is Sakurai, he could make thing happen. I know Dragmire good and well sir, you sounded quite condescending on the last paragraph, so I hope my retortion should suffice.

I always wondered why Zelda games didn't have many sword fights.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I take it you don't know much about Grievous. He's not a robot. He was once completely organic and came from a warrior race. Sounds a little familiar. I don't see how they're incomparable, but fine. We'll use Cervantes instead. Imagine Cervantes using only one of his swords. Maybe you'd prefer that, but he just wouldn't feel all that threatening to me.

You've lost me even more, I don't know any of these characters you keep trying to compare him to.

Please keep in mind that Ganondorf has only used a single sword once, and that it wasn't even his own weapon. It seemed to me that he took it as sort of a trophy (which Grievous does, by the way). Being the weapon that was meant to kill him, he used it as a way of showing that it was useless to oppose him. Meanwhile, both of the times he's been forced to fight seriously out of desperation, he used two swords. This fits in with dual blades being a staple of the Gerudo elite. As Ganon, yes, he HAS used a trident the most. That's why I didn't ask about it, even if it's not what I'd prefer. I still think it wouldn't be that great on Ganondorf though.

He's only used a single sword once (twice if you count the tech demo), but he's only used dual swords twice. Once more doesn't make it the preferred method, in fact, while not swords, he more often uses a single weapon in the form of a trident (if you count Phantom Ganondorf, he used a single sword in WW too). Of course, if beast form Ganon doesn't count, then that also nullifies the OoT fight, so Ganondorf in his human form has only ever dual wielded swords once. The problem here is that you're seemingly wanting TP Ganondorf to pull out WW Ganondorf's swords, which doesn't make much sense. And while you may think that he's more of a dual wielder thanks to a compelling two boss fights (and OoT obviously left a big impact on people), it's just not true, as the majority of the time he uses a single blade.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Summary of my thoughts on this:
If we got Toon Ganondorf, I would want him to have two katanas. If we don't get TG, and I'm assuming that is the case, then I would want him to only have one sword.
What's the point of everyone going "Ganondorf deserves to have a sword so he's like cannon" if you then decide to break cannon by giving him an extra one?

Also, he represents overwhelming power... two smaller swords implies finesse, while one big sword demonstrates power. In WW, he seemed super agile compared to most of his appearances.
If we're making Star Wars comparisons, he's absolutely more Darth Vader than Grievous. If we're making SoulCalibur references, he's more Knightmare than Cervantes.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

You've lost me even more, I don't know any of these characters you keep trying to compare him to.

He's only used a single sword once (twice if you count the tech demo), but he's only used dual swords twice. Once more doesn't make it the preferred method, in fact, while not swords, he more often uses a single weapon in the form of a trident (if you count Phantom Ganondorf, he used a single sword in WW too). Of course, if beast form Ganon doesn't count, then that also nullifies the OoT fight, so Ganondorf in his human form has only ever dual wielded swords once. The problem here is that you're seemingly wanting TP Ganondorf to pull out WW Ganondorf's swords, which doesn't make much sense. And while you may think that he's more of a dual wielder thanks to a compelling two boss fights (and OoT obviously left a big impact on people), it's just not true, as the majority of the time he uses a single blade.

As we all know his twilight princess form ganondorf means absolutely nothing move set wise, since zelda's sheik form made an appearance in brawl but never once showed up in TP. Sakurai dose what ever he feels best describes the character combat wise. So comparing what form or weapon or whatever they are gonna use is useless. People here can only say what they want. and i personally want a powerful weaponless Ganondorf or him with a trident.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I get what @ Road Death Wheel is saying and I agree that some fist moves should stay, like his aerial fist to the face, which is already declined because Falcon does the knee, or his kicks he does with his side A and smash up A.

There could be a few more, as long as they aren't copies of Captain Falcon moves and they are a animation of something he would do in Ocarina of Time or any game he's in.

Ganondorf uses a sword, even if it's one battle, it's one of the more iconic Ganondorf battles.

They should make his moveset a combination of moves from the final sword fight battle in Twilight Princess, and moves from Ocarina of Time, especially considering the neutral B, Side B, Down B, and neutral A all could have attacks from OoT.

I still like my idea of replacing up A, which is that stupid Volcano Kick that always fails, with him summoning Phantom Ganon riding Ganon's steed, kind of like how Zelda has that one of Phantom, which has been said to have replaced Sheik Transformation.

I'd rather compare Ganondorf to Bowser, not a bunch of Star Wars characters, simply because like Ganondorf, Bowser is in the game as a villain, so I think he's a better comparison.

Sakurai already has Bowser's moveset down, he had it ever since he was put in, I don't know about the Body Slam, but still at least it works and he has fire breath and the Bowser Bowser, which to me are the most iconic Bowser attacks, and he added the running animation he did in Super Mario 64.

Not all moves can be from a game a character is from, but they can at least not be a cloned move is the way I see it.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

I get what @ Road Death Wheel is saying and I agree that some fist moves should stay, like his aerial fist to the face, which is already declined because Falcon does the knee, or his kicks he does with his side A and smash up A.

There could be a few more, as long as they aren't copies of Captain Falcon moves and they are a animation of something he would do in Ocarina of Time or any game he's in.

Ganondorf uses a sword, even if it's one battle, it's one of the more iconic Ganondorf battles.

They should make his moveset a combination of moves from the final sword fight battle in Twilight Princess, and moves from Ocarina of Time, especially considering the neutral B, Side B, Down B, and neutral A all could have attacks from OoT.

I still like my idea of replacing up A, which is that stupid Volcano Kick that always fails, with him summoning Phantom Ganon riding Ganon's steed, kind of like how Zelda has that one of Phantom, which has been said to have replaced Sheik Transformation.

I'd rather compare Ganondorf to Bowser, not a bunch of Star Wars characters, simply because like Ganondorf, Bowser is in the game as a villain, so I think he's a better comparison.

Sakurai already has Bowser's moveset down, he had it ever since he was put in, I don't know about the Body Slam, but still at least it works and he has fire breath and the Bowser Bowser, which to me are the most iconic Bowser attacks, and he added the running animation he did in Super Mario 64.

Not all moves can be from a game a character is from, but they can at least not be a cloned move is the way I see it.

(im not agreeing just because you liked my post) But i do agree with you. Honestly I just want him uncloned i don't care if he keeps the forward b simply because i love that move ( and its different enough) but the moves that resemble CF should change.

 

[Man Li Gi]

(im not agreeing just because you liked my post) But i do agree with you. Honestly I just want him uncloned i don't care if he keeps the forward b simply because i love that move ( and its different enough) but the moves that resemble CF should change.

Don't have to mention how someone liked your post to say that you agree or disagree with something. Anyway, most people have come to the conclusion that Ganondorf should/would be better if he had a different moveset from CF.

 

[MasterofMonster]

My Ganondorf Moveset is like this

Special: Dark Magic. Charges a Ball of (evil) light above his head as a projectile. Has to be fully charged to work.
Side Special: Dark Steed. Like Wario on his Bike, Ganondorf summons his horse and charges. Horse disappears when he is hit.
Down Special: Ganon. Like Zelda to Sheik, Ganondorf becomed Pig Ganon, a Bowser-sized character with a Trident.
Up Special: Cape. On ground, he spins around with his cape, deflecting. But in air, he gains a small third jump, while also deflecting projectiles.
Final Smash: Beast Ganon. Remains the same.

Also, his Three Smash attacks involves his Twilight Princess Sword, and most of his already original moves remains, but he uses magic in some of the rest new ones.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Don't have to mention how someone liked your post to say that you agree or disagree with something. Anyway, most people have come to the conclusion that Ganondorf should/would be better if he had a different moveset from CF.

im very well aware that i don't have to do that but i did anyway. And im glad we came to an agreement.

 

[Kamiko]

Ganondorf's most recent appearance before SSBB was TP. TP was well received (even a taunt deriving from the game was included, c'mon), first time since WW people felt a good sword fight. Dual blade is good, but it would limit him to primarily using sword attacks (no magic or fist combat). Also, wielding two blades sounds awfully awkward when picking items up. Though I first wanted his trident, the trident has only appeared in his pig form (Ganon). Also the variability is limited compared to a sword. Yes impaling an opponent with a massive trident is cool, but not enough variation since this is Sakurai, he could make thing happen. I know Dragmire good and well sir, you sounded quite condescending on the last paragraph, so I hope my retortion should suffice.

There's really no reason to punch when you have a sword. I can see the issue with magic and items, but this is Ganondorf. He can just kind of magic one sword away for a moment. Link and Pit both pick items up with their hands full anyway.

That last part was only directed at the people who've said "his sword" in the past. If that does include you, then I'd like to know where that choice of wording came from.

You've lost me even more, I don't know any of these characters you keep trying to compare him to.

Cervantes is from Soul Calibur. He and Grievous both have two blades, and

He's only used a single sword once (twice if you count the tech demo), but he's only used dual swords twice. Once more doesn't make it the preferred method, in fact, while not swords, he more often uses a single weapon in the form of a trident (if you count Phantom Ganondorf, he used a single sword in WW too). Of course, if beast form Ganon doesn't count, then that also nullifies the OoT fight, so Ganondorf in his human form has only ever dual wielded swords once. The problem here is that you're seemingly wanting TP Ganondorf to pull out WW Ganondorf's swords, which doesn't make much sense. And while you may think that he's more of a dual wielder thanks to a compelling two boss fights (and OoT obviously left a big impact on people), it's just not true, as the majority of the time he uses a single blade.

I don't see why you're grouping swords in with tridents. It's not like Ganon ever swings it around as if it was a sword. If we look at all the appearances, the usage count is: Trident-3 Dual swords-2 Single one-handed sword-1. It can be argued that ALBW adds a fourth instance of a trident, and that the Spaceworld demo adds a two-handed sword appearance. Now, my argument is about what Ganondorf would use by choice, rather than circumstance, so that rules out the single sword of TP and the trident in FSA. That puts the count at: Trident-2 or 3 Dual swords-2 Single one-handed sword-0 Single two-handed sword-0 or 1. So yes, a trident is the most recuring type of weapon. He has thus far, NEVER used a single sword in one hand as his weapon of choice. And it's entirely possible that the Trident of Power is meant to represent the two prior tridents as well, which would leave two one-handed swords, and possibly a single two-handed sword, as his go-to weapons for battle.

And no, I don't want TP Ganondorf using the WW swords. I'd rather his weapons were of a new design. No, it's not going to happen. But It's what I believe would be best for the series moving forward. I don't want to see Ganondorf's moveset get stuck a certain way because of the style he happens to have in this game. I want a Ganondorf that represents Ganondorf, the Gerudo king. Not jsut TP Ganondorf. He's probably still going to be unarmed though, even if it's just so Sakurai can avoid dealing with any of that. Which I think is fine as long as he's fixed up more.

Also, he represents overwhelming power... two smaller swords implies finesse, while one big sword demonstrates power. In WW, he seemed super agile compared to most of his appearances.

We're not talking about one big sword though. This is about one smaller sword. One smaller sword is what implies finesse. One smaller sword is what people seem to be advocating. Unless you all think Ganondorf should two-hand the Sages' sword, which would be really cool. But it should probably be sized up a bit from its Brawl appearance. Smaller swords can still imply power as long as they have some breadth to them though (like Cervantes).

If we're making Star Wars comparisons, he's absolutely more Darth Vader than Grievous. If we're making SoulCalibur references, he's more Knightmare than Cervantes.

And yes, Ganondorf's role is more like those characters, but I wasn't talking about role. I was talking about weapons and fighting style. The point I was making was that two swords are more pressuring and intimidating than one, and I was using characters that were known for using two swords as examples. My point was: What if these characters used only one of their weapons? If people think that's fine, then I won't have an issue with wanting the same for Ganondorf. But to me, that just wouldn't have the same effect. So that's why I'm asking: IS that fine? Would pople be ok with a single-sword Cervantes?

I get what @ Road Death Wheel I'd rather compare Ganondorf to Bowser, not a bunch of Star Wars characters, simply because like Ganondorf, Bowser is in the game as a villain, so I think he's a better comparison.

The characters I was comparing to Ganondorf are villains as well, actually. Only one was from Star Wars.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So, am thinking if Ganondorf gets revealed before Captain Falcon there's a big chance that he's getting moveset revamps.

 

[Man Li Gi]

There's really no reason to punch when you have a sword. I can see the issue with magic and items, but this is Ganondorf. He can just kind of magic one sword away for a moment. Link and Pit both pick items up with their hands full anyway. Not really as Pit's blades can separate and join at will, and Link can just put his shield on his back. Where shall Ganon place his second huge blade? IN his imaginary sheath?

That last part was only directed at the people who've said "his sword" in the past. If that does include you, then I'd like to know where that choice of wording came from. People know his character, they just like his sword TP more since it contrasts his skin, is apparently super powerful, and makes him look so BA. The times he fought with two were times he really did not have to fight, but did it anyway.

 

[Kamiko]

Not really as Pit's blades can separate and join at will, and Link can just put his shield on his back. Where shall Ganon place his second huge blade? IN his imaginary sheath?

He pulled swords out of nowhere in both OoT and WW. As long as an appropriate magical effect is applied to it appearing/vanishing, I don't see why he can't just magic it away before he magics up a ball of magic. Because mages can do that. Did I mention he's a mage?.

People know his character, they just like his sword TP more since it contrasts his skin, is apparently super powerful, and makes him look so BA. The times he fought with two were times he really did not have to fight, but did it anyway.

He didn't have to fight any time he's ever appeared. WW's ending was definately his most desperate moment though, followed by OoT. I do like the light/dark contrast TP had going on though. But like I said, there are people calling it "his" sword, when it's not.

 

[Man Li Gi]

He pulled swords out of nowhere in both OoT and WW. As long as an appropriate magical effect is applied to it appearing/vanishing, I don't see why he can't just magic it away before he magics up a ball of magic. Because mages can do that. Did I mention he's a mage?.


He didn't have to fight any time he's ever appeared. WW's ending was definately his most desperate moment though, followed by OoT. Ugh, no he was not desperate as he realized more than anyone that fighting the kids would do nothing for him as the wish was already taken from him, so the fight was superfluous in the first place. I do like the light/dark contrast TP had going on though. But like I said, there are people calling it "his" sword, when it's not. Well then the Triforce of Power is not his and the magical abilities are not his then too as he stole the Triforce as well as the Sword of Sages. Ganondorf is first and foremost a thief. He kills/destroys only those that get in his maniacal ways. If he does not need to kill you, he won't (seen when he only killed one of the Sages instead of all six).

 

[Kamiko]

Ugh, no he was not desperate as he realized more than anyone that fighting the kids would do nothing for him as the wish was already taken from him, so the fight was superfluous in the first place.

He was fighting the will of the gods and fate itself as an entire ocean literally came crashing down around him. How is not his most dire situation?

Well then the Triforce of Power is not his and the magical abilities are not his then too as he stole the Triforce as well as the Sword of Sages. Ganondorf is first and foremost a thief. He kills/destroys only those that get in his maniacal ways. If he does not need to kill you, he won't (seen when he only killed one of the Sages instead of all six.

Actually, YES. The Triforce of Power is NOT central to Ganondorf's character, and I'm ok with the idea of him showing up without it. But he would have magic even without it. The ToP just strengthens it.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

He was fighting the will of the gods and fate itself as an entire ocean literally came crashing down around him. How is not his most dire situation?


Actually, YES. The Triforce of Power is NOT central to Ganondorf's character, and I'm ok with the idea of him showing up without it. But he would have magic even without it. The ToP just strengthens it.

Jeeuz dis argument is getting way outa hand let sakurai do what he pleases with the character since he dose not really give a damn about canon. We can argue what we want in the character that fine. But the argument about " he has this in this game or that in that game." is invalid. Since sakurai obviously dose not care.

 

[Man Li Gi]

He was fighting the will of the gods and fate itself as an entire ocean literally came crashing down around him. How is not his most dire situation? Since he knew more than anyone there was no way to reverse the wish and the inevitable. Really he just started fighting ther kids out of rage and since he knew he could not help his people anymore.


Actually, YES. The Triforce of Power is NOT central to Ganondorf's character, and I'm ok with the idea of him showing up without it. But he would have magic even without it. The ToP just strengthens it. Man that crack must be good. Never heard someone say that Ganondorf's ToP is not important. That is like saying Zelda's and Link's are unnecessary. Though it has been said numerous times that Ganondorf is still a very powerful warlock even without the ToP, we have yet to see that in action.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

So, am thinking if Ganondorf gets revealed before Captain Falcon there's a big chance that he's getting moveset revamps.

If that's the case then this is a good reason for me wanting to see Ganondorf revealed first.

My other reasons were him being a Zelda character and the Zelda series is bigger than the F-Zero series, revealing Ganondorf to finish the Zelda set, and simply me not liking Captain Falcon, yes, he's my arch rival in Super Smash Bros games.

Don't get me wrong, I like Captain Falcon, best rival ever, definitely want him to return, but I'd simply like to see Ganondorf revealed before seeing Captain Falcon.

 

[Kamiko]

Jeeuz dis argument is getting way outa hand let samurai do what he pleases with the character since he dose not really give a damn about canon. We can argue what we want in the character that fine. But the argument about " he has this in this game or that in that game." is invalid. Since sakurai obviously dose not care.

This I can agree with. But it's for that very reason that I don't just want to see things ripped straight from one of the games.

Since he knew more than anyone there was no way to reverse the wish and the inevitable. Really he just started fighting ther kids out of rage and since he knew he could not help his people anymore.

He was looooong past helping his people at that point. But the futility of his efforts supports the point I was making. When fighting the full power of the Triforce, why give anything but your best? Using two swords takes full advantage of Ganondorf's natural capailities, and anything else would usually be handicapping himself.

Man that crack must be good. Never heard someone say that Ganondorf's ToP is not important. That is like saying Zelda's and Link's are unnecessary. Though it has been said numerous times that Ganondorf is still a very powerful warlock even without the ToP, we have yet to see that in action.

We've had Link and Zelda without their respective Triforce pieces before. And we've seen Ganondorf use magic on his own in OoT. Of course the Triforce is important, but Ganondorf won't suddenly be ruined without it any more than if he didn't have one sword that he happened to use one time.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

If that's the case then this is a good reason for me wanting to see Ganondorf revealed first.

My other reasons were him being a Zelda character and the Zelda series is bigger than the F-Zero series, revealing Ganondorf to finish the Zelda set, and simply me not liking Captain Falcon, yes, he's my arch rival in Super Smash Bros games.

Don't get me wrong, I like Captain Falcon, best rival ever, definitely want him to return, but I'd simply like to see Ganondorf revealed before seeing Captain Falcon.

That would honestly merit me wanting him to be reviled first as well. witch is most likely since hyrule warriors is coming out soon.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I know for a fact that Ganondorf's coming back. He represents the Zelda Franchise as a villain too well to get the boot.

Also, if I may, Ganondorf has been spoofed many times from his appearances in the Zelda CDi games because of his voice. I hope he gets a similar voice in the game, because he had some pretty popular lines in the CDi games. Here are some of those lines:
"In the darkest nightmare hour
Where not moon nor sun has risen
I take Zelda in my power
I shall keep her in my prison"

"Join me, Link! And I will make your face the GREATEST in Koridai, or else you will DIE"

"No, Not into the pit, IT BURNS!!!"

"YOU are my prisoner!!!"

"You dare bring light to my lair?!?! YOU MUST DIE!!!"

"The chains! NOOOOO!!! You haven't seen the last of me!!"

 

[Man Li Gi]

This I can agree with. But it's for that very reason that I don't just want to see things ripped straight from one of the games.



He was looooong past helping his people at that point. But the futility of his efforts supports the point I was making. When fighting the full power of the Triforce, why give anything but your best? Using two swords takes full advantage of Ganondorf's natural capailities, and anything else would usually be handicapping himself. Fighting the kids would not doing any services to anyone, so his fight was more unexpected than most as his plan went his way for the most part, and just at the last second went awry. Why not kill the old man? The he knows the outcome is inevitable but tests the kids for no real reason. Using two swords seemed to have nulled his magical skill and the savagery of the brute force of Ganondorf.


We've had Link and Zelda without their respective Triforce pieces before. And we've seen Ganondorf use magic on his own in OoT. Of course the Triforce is important, but Ganondorf won't suddenly be ruined without it any more than if he didn't have one sword that he happened to use one time. He is still imposing without it yes, but not as intimidating. People would not herald him as a god if he did not posses the ToP and if anything, he would be regarded as near the end boss instead of a final boss and to me that spells ruination of a great villain.

 

[praline]

I hope he gets some dark magic based specials this time around.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I hope he gets some dark magic based specials this time around.

Especially this one.

 

[praline]

Especially this one.

Yes! Exactly that!

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Can you imagine Kotake and Koume doing mom things to Ganondorf when he's on the field
"Ganny-poo we're going to set the briidge on fire now, move out the way we don't want a repeat of what happened last time."
"Ganny-poo, is it too warm for you, would you like mama-Kotake to cool you down?"
"You keep these young-uns on their feat Ganny, HOO I remember when you were that age~ *cheek-pinch*"

 

[Deleted member]

If Ganondorf is to use a sword, only one sword will do.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

If Ganondorf is to use a sword, only one sword will do.

I like that sword idea, I always thought it was intended for Melee, but scrapped then he got stuck having cloned moves.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

Just posted this in the Black Shadow thread and figured it would be worth crossposting here:

You know, I was just talking about it, and I'm starting to realize that I wish that Ganondorf was never put in Melee and that Black Shadow was put in instead.

Sakurai remarks that the main reason Ganondorf got into Melee on the Melee site is because he was so similar to Falcon's build. He padded the roster out with the five clone characters (Dorf, Doc, Roy, Pichu, Young Link) So, put Black Shadow in Melee instead of Dorf and make him the heavy slow cloned Falcon.

They'd realize during Brawl's development how crucial of a character Ganondorf is and include him with a unique moveset, and he would've had a hype train far above even Ridley's during the Smashboards hype and be celebrated universally once he got in.

It would've been a win-win scenario.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Just posted this in the Black Shadow thread and figured it would be worth crossposting here:

Meh, Ganondorf deserved to be in melee, no matter what... if we're "what iffing" I'd just say that I wish they invested the appropriate amount of time into making him the character he should have been.

I am in the camp that if Gdorf does get changed significantly, i.e. be given a sword, I would like to see Black Shadow take the old gdorf moveset.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

Ganondorf -deserved- to be in Melee, yes, but so did many other characters who had to wait until Brawl (Wario and Diddy come to mind).

I would've waited another game for a proper Ganon set.

 

[Man Li Gi]

Ganondorf -deserved- to be in Melee, yes, but so did many other characters who had to wait until Brawl (Wario and Diddy come to mind).

I would've waited another game for a proper Ganon set.

I have a feeling he was not originally part of the development team's plans (hence the uninspired moveset with a character who has near limitless amounts of moves), but since many fans like us were basically orgasming at the sight of Gdorf at the Space Demo 2000, they were quite pressured to add him in. They obviously were inspired by the demo with the inclusion of same Ootish artwork while retaining the same sword design while also mysteriously making the same sword disappear. Quite a head scratcher.