Ganondorf

[Ffamran]

Super Armor on WP is more of a nerf than a buff. actually.

Oh, yeah, free hits... Dead Man's Volley... If only.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Super Armor on WP is more of a nerf than a buff. actually.

I don't agree. The faster speed would make it more usable now. The attack would more often be used so the super armour would trade moves, and, again, the faster speed would allow that.

 

[Z1GMA]

I don't agree. The faster speed would make it more usable now. The attack would more often be used so the super armour would trade moves, and, again, the faster speed would allow that.

So it got a bit faster, but you can still see it coming from miles away.
Ganon can now be hit before and after the WP. (assuming the SA-window is big enough)

I'm not gonna lie, though. In all seriousness, SA on WP sounds pretty good.
I'd say it's both a buff and a nerf at the same time.

 

[_Ganondorf_]

So it got a bit faster, but you can still see it coming from miles away.
Ganon can now be hit before and after the WP. (assuming the SA-window is big enough)

I'm not gonna lie, though. In all seriousness, SA on WP sounds pretty good.
I'd say it's both a buff and a nerf at the same time.

well at least now if we press B by accident it wont be just free hit and the opponent will have to move away and wait for the move to finish and if the super armor window is long enough we can act before we can get punished so I guess that go

 

[_Ganondorf_]

Anybody know if his grab range still trash? by that I don't mean just horizontal but vertical as well? I hope is range is better I think all slow big characters need a good grab range to counter-act how bad they do with shield pressure and Ganon is no exception.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

So it got a bit faster, but you can still see it coming from miles away.
Ganon can now be hit before and after the WP. (assuming the SA-window is big enough)

I'm not gonna lie, though. In all seriousness, SA on WP sounds pretty good.
I'd say it's both a buff and a nerf at the same time.

The move cannot be worse if the move was only usable in the air as a recovery option in Brawl. And Ganon was able to get hit both before and after the punch in Brawl too.

I've been watching a couple of games, and although it is too early to judge, I would say that the move has at least some use on the ground now. It still seems like a bad move, but, I believe, it will have more drastic in game viability now.

Think of the reverse Warlock punch aerial with super armour.

 

[Oort]

All I can think of is ganondorf stabbing through villager's balloons with his sword in an unholy display of gimpage. Probably extremely impractical, but damn would that be awesome.

In terms of actual practicality I think there may be more situations besides shield breaks and that weird recovery thing (why does that even work, anyway?) where using warlock punch might actually be a good choice, even if it's still a bad idea to use it for no reason. Have we confirmed that it gives super armor in the air too?

 

[Z1GMA]

And Ganon was able to get hit both before and after the punch in Brawl too.

Ye, but at least when hit before the move in Brawl, Ganon flinches, thus not suffering additional garantueed damage.

Now in ssb4, if the SA-window is big, a smart player with good reflexes could potentially hit Ganon with a tilt during startup, wait for him to throw the punch, and hit him afterwards as well.

If the SA-window is small, however (like only active during the actual punch), it would be fantastic.

I guess a big window would be sweet when using it for recovery, though.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I can see what you're saying, but the move seems too fast for a player to hit the super armour and then the ending lag, considering that you would use the move as prediction.

 

[Z1GMA]

Hmm, ye. perfectly timed and spaced, it could prove dangersous with that SA in some situations, I guess.

 

[RelaxAlax]

I think, with the Super Armor, and it's new speed, WP can now be moved to "virtually useless" in 1 v 1 's to "super stylish and for the most skilled players"

Seriously, if you can out smart a player, it may be able to work. But it's still a slow attack, so it's hard to use effectively.

 

[Vermanubis]

In case no one else's seen it:

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Ganondorf_(SSB4)

Doubt it's exhaustive. But still, I think aside from the DAir nerf (which isn't so much insulting to his gameplay as it is to his character), they gave Ganon almost exactly what he needed. Good keep-away jab, better punishment options. Imo, one of the single greatest obstacles Ganon had in Brawl was his inability to punish apart from hard-reads. FTilt came out far too slowly, and his jab didn't so **** for punishes. After a GUA, Ftilt had to be buffered <perfectly> to catch them before their first active frames. Not to mention, assuming the roll data remains unchanged for the most part, those who are vulnerable to Gerudo > FTilt no longer beg the question of how fast they get up, but simply if they've got a big enough hitbox. Not to mention, more kill potential from FTilt is great, too.

Any Ganon who's played a person competent in the MU knows how frustrating it is to land kill moves.

 

[Ffamran]

I just remembered this. I wonder if anyone has posted this yet? It's about Ganondorf, so it's relevant. Sort of.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

The guys on the CT stream just said Ganon feels like a new character. Why oh why are there not more videos?

 

[Ffamran]

The guys on the CT stream just said Ganon feels like a new character. Why oh why are there not more videos?

'Cause there's a thread for that and because Ganondorf doesn't want his secrets known? It took a lot of Rupees to convince him to let me show that Dove commercial.

 

[RelaxAlax]

Once we get the Wii U version, when I can stream it, I will DEDICATE a good few hours to Ganondorf.

 

[link and ike lover]

http://youtu.be/ePtmPc7NiaY

59 seconds

 

[Sykkamorre]

So guys, after watching some Mario game play, I'm a smidgen worried that Ganondorf might get wrecked senseless by him.

Dem combo's. It's going to be a free 70 odd percent on us from an utilt.

Oh dear.

 

[A2ZOMG]

So guys, after watching some Mario game play, I'm a smidgen worried that Ganondorf might get wrecked senseless by him.

Dem combo's. It's going to be a free 70 odd percent on us from an utilt.

Oh dear.

Mario always could do that. And it's not completely free. It requires setup given Mario's combos aren't completely reliable at 0.

What's more important is that he has to work harder to edgeguard Ganon's low recovery due to anti-edgehog mechanics.

 

[Daeyrat]

Has anyone figured out how his Super armor work? This seems like one of his most powerful buffs.
Is it only during the punch animation? How much can he endure?

Today I saw someone trying to punish a dedede's up b with him by jumping/blocking. I'd simply charge Warlock, calculating in a way the Up B would be absorbed by the super armor.

 

[Forlorn Penguin]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Assuming that the SA lasts throughout the attack, or even at least just up to the first active frame, you could potentially use it to eat an attack that your opponent is forced to commit to (like in your example), and punish it for what would very likely be an instant KO.

*EDIT* - I found this video showing Ganondorf getting hit out of Warlock Punch's start up by Donkey Kong's utilt. Check at 0:49. Perhaps the SA doesn't kick in until some later frames in the start up animation.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmbGN077QSw

 

[Electric Tuba]

Or just that the super armor is knockback-dependent, since Ganon was already at 92% when he got hit.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Assuming that the SA lasts throughout the attack, or even at least just up to the first active frame, you could potentially use it to eat an attack that your opponent is forced to commit to (like in your example), and punish it for what would very likely be an instant KO.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but the Warlock Punch is indeed going to be used as an attack eater type of move now.

1:46 of this video shows Dorf swallowing Robin's neutral A jabs and then punishing before Robin has an attempt to react.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24464962

 

[RidleyDX]

Ugh sucks you have to sign up to see the nicovid, here a video showing the super armor in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id9m0cewMLc

At 12:48 and 14:44, It took an uptilt, so at least it can deal with medium weight attacks.

 

[Hokori]

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