Ganondorf

[_Ganondorf_]

What would be cool is if Ganondorf is to be playable in Hyrule Warriors, whenever we find out, it would be the perfect time to reveal Ganondorf in Super Smash Bros for 3ds/Wii U.

That would be really cool, I just pray that Sakurai finally made Ganondorf unique. And this is coming somone who likes Falcondorf (in Melee and PM, not Brawl).

This a a mod for PM that adds a sword mode to Ganon (there is also another im using but there is no video for it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCFk6T9wvpk
Even if a de-cloned Ganon is something like this ill be happy.

 

[Kamiko]

That would be really cool, I just pray that Sakurai finally made Ganondorf unique. And this is coming somone who likes Falcondorf (in Melee and PM, not Brawl).

This a a mod for PM that adds a sword mode to Ganon (there is also another im using but there is no video for it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCFk6T9wvpk
Even if a de-cloned Ganon is something like this ill be happy.

Ok, that may not be what I'd prefer for a sword-using Ganondorf, but that's still REALLY cool. Good job to whoever made that.

 

[_Ganondorf_]

Ok, that may not be what I'd prefer for a sword-using Ganondorf, but that's still REALLY cool. Good job to whoever made that.

The guy who made this joined the PMBR towards the middle of him finishing the mod, unfortunately he never completed the mod fully.

I just wanted to show that as a reference to what can be done by just tweaking his existing move set but adding a sword and fake projectiles. Obviously a full team of developers and sakurai can do a lot more for Ganon than 1 guy making a mod to a mod lol. No matter how talented he is. But at this point ill take anything I just want Ganondorf to be represented fairly in SSB and hopefully not be trash tier....

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Didn't think I'd be saying something like this again, but I love even the down-B animation there with the sword.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

That would be really cool, I just pray that Sakurai finally made Ganondorf unique. And this is coming somone who likes Falcondorf (in Melee and PM, not Brawl).

This a a mod for PM that adds a sword mode to Ganon (there is also another im using but there is no video for it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCFk6T9wvpk
Even if a de-cloned Ganon is something like this ill be happy.

It's perfect.

 

[_Ganondorf_]

It's perfect.

Well it's not "perfect" but it's extremely well made.

It's supposed to be a balance between Swordorf and Falcondorf but it makes Falcondorf mostly obsolete.

And because of hacking limitations he couldn't give Ganon a true projectile for his B move. Also he couldn't adjust his grab range to be longer cause the PSA file had no more room. Which also made it impossible to change his get-up attacks and his grab pummel and throws animations.

If I could change it to my will. I would use his PM/Melee Dair, have a true projectile for his B and increase his grab range and his grabs KO power. And not include Falcondorf in there.
Otherwise it's a perfectly viable moveset for Ganon.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I took some inspiration from that video and incorporated it into my old Ganondorf moveset:

[collapse=Decloned Ganon]
Standard Attacks
Jab- Single strong thrust like in Brawl, but can be charged by holding down the button, resulting in a mini-Warlock Punch.
Combo- Continues from his jab with continuous sword stabs for as long as the button is mashed. This cannot be performed if the jab was charged.
FTilt- Same as in Brawl, performs a Sparta kick, angle-able like in Project M.
UTilt- A dark uppercut, similar to Snake's Project M UTilt.
DTilt- Same as in Brawl, but with added dark magic effects.
Dash- Same shoulder bash as Brawl, but with an added sword swipe quickly afterwards.

Smash Attacks
Forward- A two part attack, does his elbow bash as in Brawl, but then swings out with a wide sword strike upon a second press of the button.
Up- Swings his sword upwards and ends in a thrust like Marth's Up Smash, has a dark electrical effect as a callback to Demise.
Down- Does his own small version of Link's spin attack, swiping his sword in a low spin. Leaves a dark trail that causes damage. Functions the same as his previous down smash.

Arials
Nair- Spins around swinging his sword, covers himself in damaging dark magic.
Fair- Swings his sword forward in a downward arch.
Bair- Swings his sword back with a dark magic effect and then kicks once.
Uair- Same as in Brawl.
Dair- Same as in Brawl.

Specials
Neutral- Dead Man's Volley: A projectile attack that can be controlled similarly to Din's Fire on the initial release, but can only be charged while Ganondorf is holding it. It can be reflected back with attacks, but will still cause damage if it hits shields, this can lead to the classic "tennis match" between Ganondorf and an opponent. Has slight homing properties.
Side- Dark Choke: Same as in Brawl, but with added armour frames, can be canceled into a kick similar to Wizard's Foot by holding the button.
Down- Warlock Slam: A similar move to Wizard's Foot in the air, it causes Ganondorf to slam down to the ground with a kick. On the ground, he will stomp the ground and slam down his hand with a shockwave that can stun enemies.
Up- Gerudo Dragon: An upgraded version of Ganondorf's previous recovery, he will still perform the dark uppercut if he misses and will still grab when he hits, but the height of his leap is greatly increased and ends in a slight hover.
Final Smash- Beast Ganon: Ganondorf transforms into his dark beast form which is now controllable this time, it lasts about as long as Giga Bowser in Brawl. His sword attacks are now replaced with trident strikes while his other attacks are replaced with ramming attacks. His special attacks are changed to reflect his beastly form:
Neutral- A stronger version of the Dead Man's Volley that doesn't need a charge and won't be reflected back at Ganon, but only dissipates if attacked or reflected.
Side- A charging ram, similar to the movement his original final smash from Brawl did.
Down- Slams the ground, burying opponents.
Up- A giant leap that causes Ganon to fly off-screen before slamming back down with a shockwave. [/collapse]
I feel this would be a perfect combination of swordplay, brute force attacks with his bare hands (and feet), and use of his magical prowess.

 

[Dr. Krumm]

That would be really cool, I just pray that Sakurai finally made Ganondorf unique. And this is coming somone who likes Falcondorf (in Melee and PM, not Brawl).

This a a mod for PM that adds a sword mode to Ganon (there is also another im using but there is no video for it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCFk6T9wvpk
Even if a de-cloned Ganon is something like this ill be happy.

HOLY MOLY! DAT GANON WITH SWORD!

 

[Diddy Kong]

That Neutral B is awesome! Really nice job on the moveset. Even though I don't like seeing Ike's Neutral air and Forward Air,

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I heard something about a Zelda anniversary tomorrow, could we see Ganondorf instead of Diddy?

Think about it, though we didn't see Diddy earlier this month, everybody is still expecting him, and it would be a nice surprise if we saw Ganondorf instead cause of the Zeldea anniversary.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Could also be Impa rig-*shot*

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I would probably recommend that they make Ganondorf a little bit faster, but still slower than C Falcon, because I really didn't like the idea of him being so sluggish between Melee and Brawl. A sword wouldn't be to bad either though.

 

[Sonicguy726]

I bet when he's revealed the site won't show any moves, just taunts and funny situations just so sakurai can troll us

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I bet when he's revealed the site won't show any moves, just taunts and funny situations just so sakurai can troll us

I know, he's been showing us useless pics.

Either he'll show that, or Link's stupid face for the 10,000th time, ugh, I don't ever want to see another daily pic of Link ever again.

 

[Sonicguy726]

I know, he's been showing us useless pics.

Either he'll show that, or Link's stupid face for the 10,000th time, ugh, I don't ever want to see another daily pic of Link ever again.

You know not every pic can be something new and exciting, there has to be some filler sometimes, I'm saying that this should be to hide a new moveset for ganondorf

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

You know not every pic can be something new and exciting, there has to be some filler sometimes, I'm saying that this should be to hide a new moveset for ganondorf

Filler is such a good word, it's often used to describe a wrestling match of two jobbers that don't matter, after all, Link is totally a jobber.

I'm basically focusing on seeing Ganondorf, though wondering what moveset changes he'll have is a thing, I prefer to just see him, then go from there.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Why don't you want Ganondorf to have a sword? It is canon for him to have a sword and it would not make him seem any weaker. To me, when people say they don't want another sword character, it just sounds like they keep getting beaten by characters with swords. MK, Pit, Ike, Marth, Link, TL (6 characters) have swords out of a cast of 37. That is obviously way too much right and adding another character that should have had his trident or sword since his release is just overkill right?

im not saying it would make him weaker its more along the lines that i want diversity if hes gunna fight i want him to fight like his oot incarnate.
(or he could go for the whole trident ganon thing that would be neat.)

 

[Man Li Gi]

im not saying it would make him weaker its more along the lines that i want diversity if hes gunna fight i want him to fight like his oot incarnate.
(or he could go for the whole trident ganon thing that would be neat.)

Wants diversity> wants Ganon to fight in the most cliche, boring way possible. Man I see your point bro, I mean Ganon should ignore the multiple fighting styles he's had in the past and should just go for the one arbitrarily chosen game of YOUR choice while ignoring the rest of the fan's opinions.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Wants diversity> wants Ganon to fight in the most cliche, boring way possible. Man I see your point bro, I mean Ganon should ignore the multiple fighting styles he's had in the past and should just go for the one arbitrarily chosen game of YOUR choice while ignoring the rest of the fan's opinions.

getting agressive? Im just expressing my opinion if you want a sword give him a sword but don't act like that's not generic. The fighting styles i love the most usually involve loads of power and no weap and that's how ganon fights. Would i want a move set revamp? Yes. do i want a weapon? No.

 

[Man Li Gi]

getting agressive? Im just expressing my opinion if you want a sword give him a sword but don't act like that's not generic (yet you want his moveset to be "inspired" by the most 2nd most overrated and plain jane bland game in the series). The fighting styles i love the most usually involve loads of power and no weap and that's how ganon fights. Would i want a move set revamp? Yes. do i want a weapon? No.

Not really aggro, but saying you want diversity then saying I want an OOT moveset is quite contradictory. I am also expressing my opinion too believe it or not. I look for what the character has to offer, I want the best for the character in question, and in this case Ganon. Heavies like Ganon pride themselves on great range, and great power. Ganon sure has had great power, but has always been eh on the range. A weapon along with some h2h combat and magic would make Ganon higher tiered.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Not really aggro, but saying you want diversity then saying I want an OOT moveset is quite contradictory. I am also expressing my opinion too believe it or not. I look for what the character has to offer, I want the best for the character in question, and in this case Ganon. Heavies like Ganon pride themselves on great range, and great power. Ganon sure has had great power, but has always been eh on the range. A weapon along with some h2h combat and magic would make Ganon higher tiered.

This is why i said they should revamp his move set. And yes you are attacking my opinion. i like what i like And i like him without the sword. give him a trident or more magic. At least duel blade. Something other that that boring sage sword man. Ganon with a sword just dose not seem as evil with a sword there like nothing better that when he grabbed your character by the HANDS choking them then blowing them up. sniff** it was beautiful.

 

[Man Li Gi]

This is why i said they should revamp his move set. And yes you are attacking my opinion. i like what i like And i like him without the sword. give him a trident or more magic. At least duel blade. Something other that that boring (claims I attack opinions, but puts this >_>) sage sword man. Ganon with a sword just dose not seem as evil with a sword there like nothing better that when he grabbed your character by the HANDS choking them then blowing them up. sniff** it was beautiful.

I don't know how h2h combat is more evil, but that is your opinion. Attila the Hut and Vlad the Impaler were known for their brutality and their WEAPONRY, 2 of histories cruelest people used weapons. Your argument is flawed as you claim not to make Ganon generic yet keep pushing for the OOT moveset and what revamp are you looking for? The h2h combat is a shameless copy of CF, if Ganon had his swords/magic/brutality, the whole h2h love would have been lost if the Sakurai put some time and effort.

nothing better that when he grabbed your character by the HANDS. sniff** it was beautiful.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

I don't know how h2h combat is more evil, but that is your opinion. Attila the Hut and Vlad the Impaler were known for their brutality and their WEAPONRY, 2 of histories cruelest people used weapons. Your argument is flawed as you claim not to make Ganon generic yet keep pushing for the OOT moveset and what revamp are you looking for? The h2h combat is a shameless copy of CF, if Ganon had his swords/magic/brutality, the whole h2h love would have been lost if the Sakurai put some time and effort.

Well we can agree to disagree i just have bais to weaponless combat, Iv mentioned this. We both have our tastes on what is considered boring. And i sad revamp the move set because he has clone like feature that could be replaced with magic different attack ect. I personally don't understand why you want the sword in since hes only used it in one hand once as well. We both have our taste's and what we consider Generic or boring so that makes some of Both our statements opinionated.
Ps i dont know why you started spouting real brutal figures when comparing them to a fictional character. We all kow the deeds done in fantasy are on a completely different scale from whats done in real life. And generally the people who enjoy choking the life out of you tends to be the super evil mofo's.
PPs. ur joke made me laugh.

 

[Man Li Gi]

Well we can agree to disagree i just have bais to weaponless combat, Iv mentioned this. We both have our tastes on what is considered boring. And i sad revamp the move set because he has clone like feature that could be replaced with magic different attack ect. I personally don't understand why you want the sword in since hes only used it in one hand once as well. We both have our taste's and what we consider Generic or boring so that makes some of Both our statements opinionated.
Ps i dont know why you started spouting real brutal figures when comparing them to a fictional character. We all kow the deeds done in fantasy are on a completely different scale from whats done in real life. And generally the people who enjoy choking the life out of you tends to be the super evil mofo's.
PPs. ur joke made me laugh.

(you're supposed to give someone a like when they make you laugh hint hint *cough*)
The reason I brought real figures is because you say that swords are boring and those mofos were not boring. Vlad used weapons hands, feet, genitalia;etc. Most samurai use one hand per sword following
Miyamoto Musashi's strategy for to be a good samurai, you need to be quick and have a free hand open and to never swing with both as the drag is too much. Ganon's magic also would not make him BA.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

(you're supposed to give someone a like when they make you laugh hint hint *cough*)
The reason I brought real figures is because you say that swords are boring and those mofos were not boring. Vlad used weapons hands, feet, genitalia;etc. Most samurai use one hand per sword following
Miyamoto Musashi's strategy for to be a good samurai, you need to be quick and have a free hand open and to never swing with both as the drag is too much. Ganon's magic also would not make him BA.

Once again what we find boring is opinionated. The rest i find irreverent to fantasy characters where none of that matters.

 

[Angiance]

Ganonbutt...

 

[JamesDNaux]

Are people seriously saying that Ganondorf would be boring with a sword and magic? How is he not already boring by copying his favorite racecar driver?

As a Zelda fan, and a fan of Ganondorf himself, it's absolutely insulting that he's been a clone of Falcon. The one thing that stops me from maining him is his lack of a proper moveset. Why should anyone else care if his moveset is "boring," are you a big Ganondorf fan? Let us actually be able to enjoy our favorite villain.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Are people seriously saying that Ganondorf would be boring with a sword and magic? How is he not already boring by copying his favorite racecar driver?

As a Zelda fan, and a fan of Ganondorf himself, it's absolutely insulting that he's been a clone of Falcon. The one thing that stops me from maining him is his lack of a proper moveset. Why should anyone else care if his moveset is "boring," are you a big Ganondorf fan? Let us actually be able to enjoy our favorite villain.

Did you read any of the comments? Iv stated i just don't want him with a sword. I said REVAMP his moves set so it aint a clone of falcons or give him a trident, magic ect.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Are people seriously saying that Ganondorf would be boring with a sword and magic? How is he not already boring by copying his favorite racecar driver?

As a Zelda fan, and a fan of Ganondorf himself, it's absolutely insulting that he's been a clone of Falcon. The one thing that stops me from maining him is his lack of a proper moveset. Why should anyone else care if his moveset is "boring," are you a big Ganondorf fan? Let us actually be able to enjoy our favorite villain.

@ JamesDNaux you are absolutely right, although his clone moveset does not stop me from maining him, I still can't help, but wonder what would his moveset be like if he had that cool sword and magic attacks.

 

[Kamiko]

Are people seriously saying that Ganondorf would be boring with a sword and magic? How is he not already boring by copying his favorite racecar driver?

As a Zelda fan, and a fan of Ganondorf himself, it's absolutely insulting that he's been a clone of Falcon. The one thing that stops me from maining him is his lack of a proper moveset. Why should anyone else care if his moveset is "boring," are you a big Ganondorf fan? Let us actually be able to enjoy our favorite villain.

As a big Ganonorf fan myself, I have to ask; Why do so many people want him to use the Sages' sword? It's been shown that he prefers using two blades. Unless he gets a two-hander, a single sword seems like it would be a little underwhelming on Ganondorf.

Although it would be really neat if down B put one weapon away to free up a hand for faster casting.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

As a big Ganonorf fan myself, I have to ask; Why do so many people want him to use the Sages' sword? It's been shown that he prefers using two blades. Unless he gets a two-hander, a single sword seems like it would be a little underwhelming on Ganondorf.

Although it would be really neat if down B put one weapon away to free up a hand for faster casting.

Because the sages sword is really cool looking, it's more iconic, and of all swords it should be the sword Ganondorf should use, especially considering the fact that we are probably going to see the TP Ganondorf with a redesign since they did the same with Zelda.

Unless like you said they used the sword he had in Melee with his victory taunt.

 

[IsmaR]

The only thing I like about the Sage's or his Melee sword is that it leaves a hand open most of the time. I'd still prefer a trident above anything.

I also don't understand why he can't do a little of everything. I don't think of Ganondorf as strictly a swordmaster, wizard/dark magic user, or someone who gets things done with his bare hands. I think of him of him by his formal titles as the King of Thieves, Dark Lord, etc., and that he does whatever he has to gain power/crush his enemies. Apparently Sakurai thought that was emulating Captain Falcon, but whatever.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

The only thing I like about the Sage's or his Melee sword is that it leaves a hand open most of the time. I'd still prefer a trident above anything.

I also don't understand why he can't do a little of everything. I don't think of Ganondorf as strictly a swordmaster, wizard/dark magic user, or someone who gets things done with his bare hands. I think of him of him by his formal titles as the King of Thieves, Dark Lord, etc., and that he does whatever he has to gain power/crush his enemies. Apparently Sakurai thought that was emulating Captain Falcon, but whatever.

I was thinking this two, I mean we saw what Sakurai did with Pit, Ganondorf should have the same treatment.

 

[Kamiko]

Because the sages sword is really cool looking, it's more iconic, and of all swords it should be the sword Ganondorf should use, especially considering the fact that we are probably going to see the TP Ganondorf with a redesign since they did the same with Zelda.

Unless like you said they used the sword he had in Melee with his victory taunt.

I don't want any of the swords he's used actually. I'd prefer something new, although obviously that's not going to happen. I just don't think anything he's wielded so far really fit's him.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Because the sages sword is really cool looking, it's more iconic, and of all swords it should be the sword Ganondorf should use, especially considering the fact that we are probably going to see the TP Ganondorf with a redesign since they did the same with Zelda.

Unless like you said they used the sword he had in Melee with his victory taunt.

Lol nothing about the sage sword is iconic it only showed up in one game. if anything Trident pig ganon should be used since hes showed up in multiple games.

I don't want any of the swords he's used actually. I'd prefer something new, although obviously that's not going to happen. I just don't think anything he's wielded so far really fit's him.

I like what your saying. sakurai should just surprise us with something new since he dose that from time to time.

 

[IsmaR]

I like what your saying. sakurai should just surprise us with something new since he dose that from time to time.

We shouldn't come to expect it, though. A majority of us thought for sure he'd be completely declone'd in Brawl, and you can see how well that went for us.

Try not to double post, btw.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Did you read any of the comments? Iv stated i just don't want him with a sword. I said REVAMP his moves set so it aint a clone of falcons or give him a trident, magic ect.

Oh I dunno, because a sword is his most iconic weapon in his human form?

As a big Ganonorf fan myself, I have to ask; Why do so many people want him to use the Sages' sword? It's been shown that he prefers using two blades. Unless he gets a two-hander, a single sword seems like it would be a little underwhelming on Ganondorf.

Shown that he prefers two blades? You mean that one time in Wind Waker, or in OoT where Ganon (minus the dorf) used two swords? I don't care if it's the Sages' sword, he just needs a sword, though that sword makes the most sense considering this is TP Ganondorf (and he had it for his taunt in Brawl). A sword certainly wouldn't be underwhelming if he was still a brute force attacker with surprising mobility and some magic attacks.

The only thing I like about the Sage's or his Melee sword is that it leaves a hand open most of the time. I'd still prefer a trident above anything.

I also don't understand why he can't do a little of everything. I don't think of Ganondorf as strictly a swordmaster, wizard/dark magic user, or someone who gets things done with his bare hands. I think of him of him by his formal titles as the King of Thieves, Dark Lord, etc., and that he does whatever he has to gain power/crush his enemies. Apparently Sakurai thought that was emulating Captain Falcon, but whatever.

I posted a moveset at the top of this very page, it only incorporates his sword for a few moves and as an added strike to some attacks. Still has plenty of punches and kicks as well, and I gave him the necessary Dead Man's Volley. I wouldn't want him to just swing the sword around either, but even a complete sword moveset would be better than Captain Falcondorf, I just want to see him finally play like Ganondorf. Bowser and Pit's new moves give me hope for him...

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

@ Road Death Wheel did you know you can notify two people at once?

@ IsmaR has a good point, although I think Sakurai is doing his best to declone Ganondorf, in Brawl he was sort of decloned, but there is still more work to be done in which in this game I do expect there to be further changes that declone him.

Things I can see need done are.

B: get rid of Ganon Punch, this is the biggest special that needs changed, Wizards Foot is ok, but this has to go

I'm thinking this instead of Ganon Punch

B^: this has been already worked with, he's no longer doing the Falcon Dive, but they need to get rid of this part.

Ganondorf using the cloned effect of Dark Dive

The move is somewhat declined, as you can see, it can inflict damage without doing the Falcon Dive thing, but it something.

Ganondorf can hover, so therefore, they should add a hovering effect to Ganondorf's Dark Dive especially considering it would helt with his poor horizontal reach.

What are they having Ganondorf do to that poor Lucario, Ganondorf does not do this, I'd be happy if they just had it that he just hits the opponent like he does if this move makes contact with a opponent from above, in which he hits them with a little uppercut instead of the Falcon Dive, maybe even add a hovering effect to help with his horizontal recovery.

This move can stay.

Now for Wizards Foot, yeah it's Falcon Kick, but at least it's more useful than Ganon Punch, it helps with moving around the stage, but Flame Choke does that now, and the fact that Flame Choke ignores shields, it's a better move to use, than Wizards Foot.

With that said, get rid of Wizards Foot, I'd rather see this in his moveset instead.

I'd like to see this move the new down B.

As you can see, his aerial Wizards Foot kind of mimics it, but I'd like to see the legit move.

Now the A attacks

This in which is called the Thunderpunch, yeah, like Ganondorf's Pokémon incarnation, Emboar can learn via move tutor, this is ok, it's different from Captain Falcon's moveset, but it's missing something.

There it is, this is the move that should also send a energy ball at the opponent, maybe keep the thunderpunch, but then add like a charge effect that charges up the energy ball, because like Ganon in games, he does charge his energy ball up before throwing it.

I think both these kicking moves should stay, they are both declined from the kicks he had in Melee in which were complete copies of Falcon's kicks.he does that one in Twilight Princess.

This is the leg sweep, smash down A, this is one that should be replaced, I'm thinking this should be a sword move.

Actually if you played Twilight Princess, you will find that Ganondorf doesn't really have too many sword attacks, therefore he should only have like one or two moves that are sword based.

Ganondorfs Sword Spin:

As you see in this picture, Ganondorf is about to spin around thus hitting Link with the sword in a spin attack of his own, Ike has a similar move to this in Brawl, except he is doing a sword sweep.

Oh and then there is Volcano Kick, this is another stupid move, in fact it's so stupid, both Captain Falcon and Ganondorf should get a new move to replace this.

For Ganondorf, it's a up A attack, so I'm thinking, like how Zelda summoned a Phantom in her moveset.

Ganondorf could do the same with Phantom Ganon, and he drop a energy attack from above, and it's a excellent way to include a appearance by Phantom Ganon and Ganon's Steed.

That's all I got right now.

 

[Kamiko]

Shown that he prefers two blades? You mean that one time in Wind Waker, or in OoT where Ganon (minus the dorf) used two swords? I don't care if it's the Sages' sword, he just needs a sword, though that sword makes the most sense considering this is TP Ganondorf (and he had it for his taunt in Brawl). A sword certainly wouldn't be underwhelming if he was still a brute force attacker with surprising mobility and some magic attacks.

It's underwhelming compared to what it could be is what I mean. Of course one sword would still be great, but imagine Grievous with only one lightsaber. It's just not the same. Of course you're free to think that would be fine, I'm just trying to get people to see what I'm imagining.

Also, yes, I was refering to the OoT Ganon battle as well.