Ganondorf Board's Question & Answer Thread.

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Teach Pokemon to understand
The power that's inside!

Anyway...
As probably the only Ganon mainer in the whole of Australia, who actually goes to tournaments, my goal is to get Ganon a few places higher in the character rankings list, get him above some characters like Mario, so maybe more playesr may play Ganon as they will see he isn't all that bad.

I like to play Ganon for the fact that he is the underdog, every fight is a challenge and more engaging and more fun then say playing MK or Snake where basic moves can win a match.
And as squirrely said, ganon spikes are the most gratifying move in the game.
To me having fun in smash, is getting as many spikes as possible.

Another big incentive for me to play Ganon is the lack of Ganon mainers across Australia. After coming first in a tournament with Ganon, i can now claim best in Aus with Ganon.
If i was playing Snake or another popular character i could not claim this title after winning 1 tournament. It would require multiple tournament wins, interstate challenges with other pro's etc.

And why else do i play ganon. Sparta kick, nuff said.

C-c-c-c-c-combo breaker

 

[@HomE]

Teach Pokemon to understand
The power that's inside!

Anyway...
As probably the only Ganon mainer in the whole of Australia, who actually goes to tournaments, my goal is to get Ganon a few places higher in the character rankings list, get him above some characters like Mario, so maybe more playesr may play Ganon as they will see he isn't all that bad.

I like to play Ganon for the fact that he is the underdog, every fight is a challenge and more engaging and more fun then say playing MK or Snake where basic moves can win a match.
And as squirrely said, ganon spikes are the most gratifying move in the game.
To me having fun in smash, is getting as many spikes as possible.

Another big incentive for me to play Ganon is the lack of Ganon mainers across Australia. After coming first in a tournament with Ganon, i can now claim best in Aus with Ganon.
If i was playing Snake or another popular character i could not claim this title after winning 1 tournament. It would require multiple tournament wins, interstate challenges with other pro's etc.

And why else do i play ganon. Sparta kick, nuff said.

Honestly, Spikes are just amazing, my three mains DK, Ganon, and Falco all have amazing spikes, and thats a big reason why I play them.

And back to that question about what we want for Ganon..

I think most of us just want to get as good with Ganon as we possibly can...

probably with the ultimate goal of destroying top tier chars..

 

[fromundaman]

Teach Pokemon to understand
The power that's inside!

Anyway...
As probably the only Ganon mainer in the whole of Australia, who actually goes to tournaments, my goal is to get Ganon a few places higher in the character rankings list, get him above some characters like Mario, so maybe more playesr may play Ganon as they will see he isn't all that bad.

I like to play Ganon for the fact that he is the underdog, every fight is a challenge and more engaging and more fun then say playing MK or Snake where basic moves can win a match.
And as squirrely said, ganon spikes are the most gratifying move in the game.
To me having fun in smash, is getting as many spikes as possible.

Another big incentive for me to play Ganon is the lack of Ganon mainers across Australia. After coming first in a tournament with Ganon, i can now claim best in Aus with Ganon.
If i was playing Snake or another popular character i could not claim this title after winning 1 tournament. It would require multiple tournament wins, interstate challenges with other pro's etc.

And why else do i play ganon. Sparta kick, nuff said.

Ganon is probably the most fun charcter in Brawl to me, and as others have said, Ganon spikes are incredibly gratifying (as is just winning with the lord of all evil). Also, Ganon doubles are epic.

HOWEVER, while I don't want to completely demoralize you, there is no way Ganon will ever rise above Mario. Sorry, but it just isn't going to happen.

 

[TP]

Cute. But what's up with that cat?

There doesn't need to be a reason. It's a freaking cat.

New Pokemon related idea! Everybody, no matter who you are or what the rest of your post is about, keep this going.

 

[Jeet Kune Do]

Hahaha, my favorite Ganon technique is ledge cancelling a Wizard Foot into air dodge, I call it the Sakurai

HE IS ENTERTAINER

 

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There doesn't need to be a reason. It's a freaking cat.

New Pokemon related idea! Everybody, no matter who you are or what the rest of your post is about, keep this going.

No.

is much better.

 

[fromundaman]

Oh god... not the Ganon boards too...

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Oh god... not those two people who don't main Ganon too...

Fixed.

Flying Dutchman isn't a Ganon main if he doesn't use him in tournaments.

 

[fromundaman]

*GASP* Even I've used Ganon in tournies before! (Granted, only a few matches, and they didn't all end so well, but still...)

 

[TP]

Hey guys, I'm going to my first tournament! April 4th, a small thing in St. Louis. I will be maining ROB there.

On the other hand, Norfair is legal, so I will use Ganon whenever I need to CP. My ROB sucks at CPing.

 

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Fixed.

Flying Dutchman isn't a Ganon main if he doesn't use him in tournaments.

Too bad, I've already used him in both tournaments and smashfests.

 

[A2ZOMG]

I've used Ganondorf in tournament but I still won't claim to maining him. =/

Better yet, I've landed his Up-tilt in a tournament match.

 

[Ant1]

I've used Ganondorf in tournament but I still won't claim to maining him. =/

Better yet, I've landed his Up-tilt in a tournament match.

Lol i landed that on my brother and i think he was playing Lucario or Sonic.
As soon as i get it, i raise my hands in the air, basically saying 'bow to me' :D

 

[PK-ow!]

Hello Ganons,

First time poster here. I've got a question for all of the Ganon vets, for which I'd now like to provide a little context. For those who prefer it, a tl;dr (located at the bottom of this post) is appended.

I've lurked on the Ganon boards for a few months now, and I've read all of the excellent stickies (and many other useful threads, besides) several times over.

It's great to see that there's a close-knit community here writing guides and running tests and documenting emerging techniques for Ganon, in spite of the fact that the character is not a serious contender at competitions.

o0

You've all done a good bit of work. These boards have dutifully maintained guides (for newcomers and seasoned "Ganoneers" alike), a well constructed (and current) matchup thread, and a respectable video archive.

In fact, these boards are so well maintained that a newcomer might not realize (until he took a close look at the matchup thread) that Ganondorf is not, strictly speaking, "serious business."

Shut the **** up.

Which brings me to my question:

What is the community's goal for Ganon in competitive Smash?

To win games.
Now, TP said we'd have different responses to you. Mine is GTFO.

I don't understand this question. The answer is something you should expect. And that would be because it's the same everywhere: Get better.

I don't know what sort of conscious belief you had about this visit, but the only thing you are looking for, whether you know it or not, is some sort of visceral feeling of smugness or domination. I know; I have a little problem like that on another message board I visit, and I can tell what posts come from it.

Please. Meditate on what made you post here. Don't fear what you may find out. Try to recognize when something coming from you is not a contribution - accept when a thread can go without it - and I'll aspire with you.
EDIT: Questions by PM? Sorry, I meant to elaborate more.

Now,
Everyone, he's not wrong about representation. I can't believe I'm two tournaments Twilight Prince's senior. WTF?

And whats with a bunch of guys coming out now with "I don't actually main him"? (a) huh? and (b) from the description you gave, TP, you do main him. Use him the most? Practice the most? What else is there?
Heck, even now I leave Ness as he is on my user settings / sig because it looks nicer to me. By time and by comfort and by ability even, Ganon is my main right now.

Of course if you do pull ROB on the blind, TP, at that tourney, then you will be declaring.

 

[TP]

Everyone, he's not wrong about representation. I can't believe I'm two tournaments Twilight Prince's senior. WTF?

And whats with a bunch of guys coming out now with "I don't actually main him"? (a) huh? and (b) from the description you gave, TP, you do main him. Use him the most? Practice the most? What else is there?
Heck, even now I leave Ness as he is on my user settings / sig because it looks nicer to me. By time and by comfort and by ability even, Ganon is my main right now.

Of course if you do pull ROB on the blind, TP, at that tourney, then you will be declaring.

Interesting post, to say the least. I really wanna go mostly Ganon at the tourney, but there are people there who know me and have seen me play (and I beat them, though not by enough to overcome a difficult matchup). Nobody in St. Louis knows I picked up ROB 2 weeks ago. I might go Ganon anyway just because of the responses I'm getting here.

 

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You can just go Ganondorf first match, and then counterpick if you lose. It's that simple.

 

[Ant1]

You can just go Ganondorf first match, and then counterpick if you lose. It's that simple.

I do kind of the opposite. As i haven't played a lot of the people who go to tourney's enough, i am unsure of how good they are so I'll pull out snake first then i will go Ganon to finish them off.


Quote from the organizer of Brawl tourney's in SA.

Smash Bros Brawl is very balanced and anyone can win with any character if your good with them just look at DJB and Ant SA's 2 best players and they use Sonic and Ganondorf so dont be discouraged if you charachter is near the bottom just keep practicing.

@TheKingofFuzz: Not a serious contender in competitions? yeah that's what they all thought, till they got their head pounded in by Ganons 10 ton boots. I beat the best Sonic player in Australia with Ganon, looks to me like he's a good contender.
Attitudes that say, Ganon can't win tournaments are the reason he's low in the character rankings list.

U don't have to go Ganon all they way, if the opposition pulls out MK, just use Snake for that round.
On a side note. There's a lot of crap players out there, barely any which would have played a pro Ganon.
I've beaten a spammy Falco, and i mean a real spammer (lasers, chaingrabs to spikes, roll dodges galore), and a campy snake. It's not impossible, just play Delfino or Norfair.

Don't be discourage people, even though the odds are against Ganon he will find a way t.o win.

HOWEVER, while I don't want to completely demoralize you, there is no way Ganon will ever rise above Mario. Sorry, but it just isn't going to happen.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Ganon is higher than Mario in the Character Rankings list. I told u it was possible. U guys should be thanking me. My win pushed Ganon above him hahahaha.

 

[TP]

OK guys, after reconsideration, I think I will be going primarily Ganon. I thought of two new reason why I need to go Ganon, not ROB:

1) I always do bad in high pressure situations. If my performance is gonna suffer, I better be the character I have practiced more, and thus am more consistent with.
2) I plan on making new friends to Brawl there. They are far more likely to be impressed by my Ganon than my ROB, even if my ROB wins more. Even though it's a tournament, I need to look to the future.

So it's all good guys. I'll be maining Ganon.

 

[fromundaman]

I've used Ganondorf in tournament but I still won't claim to maining him. =/

Better yet, I've landed his Up-tilt in a tournament match.

You sir, are my new god.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Ganon is higher than Mario in the Character Rankings list. I told u it was possible. U guys should be thanking me. My win pushed Ganon above him hahahaha.

We're obviously not looking at the same tier list... I'm talking about the US tier list. I don't know if there are many Australians using Mario (If one win can push Ganon above Mario (he's what, 9 ranks lower on ours? Maybe more?), then probably not...), but yeah, tere is no way he'll move above Mario on our tier list.

EDIT: That's not a tier list... That's just a list saying who uses which characters, how often, and how often they place...


Don't get me wrong, I love both characters, and if I were good enough, I probably would main Ganon, but as a character, he has more limitations than Mario. Anyway, I'm not trying to start a debate here, so I'll just stop there.





Yeah TP! GL at the tourny! (Which one are you going to btw?)

 

[TP]

Yeah TP! GL at the tourny! (Which one are you going to btw?)

Aerial Rave. It isn't a big deal or anything. There is a Midwest-West Circuit Event in Missouri May 1-3, but I have 4 AP Tests to study for, so I must settle for this.

 

[Ant1]

We're obviously not looking at the same tier list... I'm talking about the US tier list. I don't know if there are many Australians using Mario (If one win can push Ganon above Mario (he's what, 9 ranks lower on ours? Maybe more?), then probably not...), but yeah, tere is no way he'll move above Mario on our tier list.

EDIT: That's not a tier list... That's just a list saying who uses which characters, how often, and how often they place...

If u read my earlier post i never said i wanted Ganon higher than Mario in a tier list i said i wanted him higher on the character rankings list. is there even as Australian tier list?

 

[1nconspikuous]

just a quick question, did anyone ever get a vid of someone doing that super FoG thing > overB murder choke on snake's cypher? (landing on the stage, not an SD)

 

[fromundaman]

If u read my earlier post i never said i wanted Ganon higher than Mario in a tier list i said i wanted him higher on the character rankings list. is there even as Australian tier list?

Ah... my bad then. Yeah, Ganon is too much fun to not be higher on that list.

Aerial Rave. It isn't a big deal or anything. There is a Midwest-West Circuit Event in Missouri May 1-3, but I have 4 AP Tests to study for, so I must settle for this.

I feel your pain... There's a midwest Circuit event less than 30 min away from here in a few weeks... The problem is that I'm moving away next Monday >.<

 

[yellowroy]

Does Foward B Dtilt always work on Ness?

 

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Does Foward B Dtilt always work on Ness?

Yes, Flame Choke -> dtilt always works on Ness.

 

[Sph34r]

Hi, noob question.

How do you get the dair to auto cancel? I'm assuming you just use it right after you short hop but that never works for me (or maybe I'm too slow).

 

[Ant1]

Hi, noob question.

How do you get the dair to auto cancel? I'm assuming you just use it right after you short hop but that never works for me (or maybe I'm too slow).

If u are using a gamecube controller which u should be it is quite simple, but doing it repeatedly while jumping left to right can be difficult as u may pull out a b-air or f-air.

Hold Down on the control stick, and quickly press Y then A. This is done by sliding ur thumb along the two in 1 single motion.

Another way is to hold down control stick, tap y then quickly press C-stick down, this will prevent u from pulling our b-air if ur jumping all over the place, but it's kind of harder to use, so I'd stick with doing it the first way i said.
Sometimes when u pull out a b-air or f-air it can be to ur advantage, it can catch people off guard as they may think u are spamming d-air then a b-air comes out.

 

[Teronist09]

Does Ganon have any ground based attacks with spike properties?

 

[B!squick]

...Wait, you want a ground attack... that spikes? O.o Is that even possible? I guess it is if you mean stage spiking...

@Sph34r

I was having trouble with auto canceling DAir too. Then I found out I needed Tap Jump on for UpB OoS to work right with Bowser. So then I tried Tap Jumping for AC Dair since I'd need it on for Bowser anyway, and it works perfectly (I use the C-Stick with this method). I can even do it in Brawl+ which is harder for some people.

 

[weinner]

To the best of my knowledge, only one and it is situational. If Ganondorf connects a Flame Choke over the edge that is either occupied by another character or ungrabable (such as Summit) then the character will be spiked.

It's grounded and it spikes. So I believe it would count.

@JayDeth

Teronist09 probably means something like Ike's D-Tilt

 

[Z1GMA]

Does Ganon have any ground based attacks with spike properties?

Well, Jab/Ftilt can be devestating if the opponent is DI'ing down.

 

[Squirrely]

The short answer is no to ground attacks having spiking properties.
U-til explosion can stage spike if they get hit whilst under the stage as well as DA if they are offstage yet near and not above the edge.

Jab, f-tilt, d-tilt, d-smash, u-smash, and f-smash will always hit somewhere from straight sideways(f-tilt) to straight up(d-tilt).

 

[stRIP]

Jab, f-tilt, d-tilt, d-smash, u-smash, and f-smash will always hit somewhere from straight sideways(f-tilt) to straight up(d-tilt).

You can spike with the first hit of the dsmash

My opponent was offstage, i was on the very edge, charged dsmash, he recovered to the edge, dsmash first hit landing, he got stagespiked

same at TL downsmash

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Irrelevant to the discussion but, thought you should know. USmash has some ledge hitting proprieties, it could strike almost anyone hanging on the ledge.

 

[hyperstation]

Does Ganon have any ground based attacks with spike properties?

iDA against the ledge causes (I believe) a ledge spike. It's pretty powerful, but hardly that useful.

 

[Squirrely]

You can spike with the first hit of the dsmash

My opponent was offstage, i was on the very edge, charged dsmash, he recovered to the edge, dsmash first hit landing, he got stagespiked

same at TL downsmash

Really? Down smash can hit people hanging off the ledge?
That's news to me, I've tried this many times and never hit anyone.

Do you remember what stage it was? And against who?

I know TL's hugs the ground, Ganon's floats well in the air...

 

[Z1GMA]

Does anyone find the weak hit of DA effective in any way?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Does anyone find the weak hit of DA effective in any way?

Reverse grab into it?

 

[Squirrely]

SH B-air sometimes works. And with sexy results.

 

[hyperstation]

SH B-air sometimes works. And with sexy results.

I like the sounds of that.